New Lawsuit Updates! Natalie Ryan | Gannon Buhr | Mcbeth/Cease

[@joeblow2426]

Thanks for the updates. I hope people realize how important the McCease and Ryan cases are.

[@MaxLBogue]

Yeah, it will be interesting to see if the courts decide (against precedent) that anti-discrimination legislation can be thrown out or not.

[@Kroogg]

I really think the defendants should counter-sue. People may be less likely to sue if they have something real to lose.

[@Chris.Davies]

I am so glad I live in NZ, where we have a "no fault" system, and this practically eliminates all personal litigation. It is not possible to sue someone for negligence in NZ. If you committed criminal negligence, then police may charge you with the crime, and you may be directed to pay compensation to the victim if found guilty, but in 99% of cases, New Zealand's Accident Compensation laws means you get taken care of by the government: 80% of your lost wages and all your medical bills are paid. This system is funded by employee-paid levies which are a part of the income tax automatically deducted for wage earners. The more dangerous your job, the higher the levies. Protip: Don't take up commercial fishing, or become a forestry worker. Those people have by far the most injuries of any industry!

[@jsmith4179]

No one cares

[@mikewest712]

Chris Davies found again .

[@Riannacaswell1]

Here for the McBeth/Cease update. Thank you for the awesome summary of the progress and status so far! I hope this doesn't cause any issues for the Florida Open next spring.

[@Bruce_Woozerbomb]

I hope it doesn’t either especially because the Las Vegas challenge, which has been the first non exhibit event of the pro tour for the past 5 or so years, was booted out

[@DiscGolf_]

Great information. I think Paul and Dylan are victims of extortion... IMHO

[@JacobPorterLadder]

10000000% apparently the guy owes invoices to Gateway in the neighborhood of 10K

[@anthony452]

Yea, crazy that it's a scumbag who actually owns a discgolf store. I really hope the word gets out in his community about him.

[@lynch42o]

@@anthony452 typical liberal sht. I hope no one supports that dbag store.

[@RyantheShort]

Great content as always! The clip with Seth Rogen talking to Hannah McBeth had me rolling! 🤣

[@ArcticKats]

Do you think the PDGA moved the 2024 tournaments from Cali & Arizona to Florida & other states because of the legal battles?

[@michaelmaniloff9297]

Vegas, not Arizona.

[@ArcticKats]

you forget the early February tournament in Phoenix at Fountain Hills DGC. Bodanza, Drew Gibson & Foundation just had vids at that course

[@lafondawilliams]

​@@michaelmaniloff9297fact checked 😂

[@michaelmaniloff9297]

@ArcticKats cool I was not aware. Thanks I'll check it out.

[@birdinflight3861]

@@ArcticKatsmemorial hasn’t been on the DGPT for a couple of years now

[@JarrettWBass]

Love your breakdown of all the cases. I feel for the course owners, in both cases.

[@modgmodg6987]

More money More problems. Thanks for the update.

[@dustman96]

Money = vultures

[@twiggytags7920]

Ty for the content 😁

[@aramdg]

The Pineapple Express reference brought me so much joy. Thank you.

[@EthanDiscgolf]

This is the video I have been waiting for! Thanks for all the updates! 🔥🔥

[@davepalmer9265]

😂dude trying to play against the ladies.. this worlds insane

[@ThePokamitch]

And this cuck keeps calling him, "her".

[@nbecker824]

🤡🤡🤡

[@xxbpxpeanutxxx162]

Can’t believe the man wants to play with women. Weakkkk

[@AndrewHicks1984]

Thanks for the updates and love the Radford hat!

[@TheFlarcus]

This is a fairly accurate and well researched presentation. However, I feel like you may have missed the primary issue in the McCease case as you describe it. To me, the real question is the attempt to invalidate the liability waiver, which is a standard feature and an important protection to the disc golf tournament, structure and format as we know it. If the challenge to the liability waiver is upheld, it remains to be seen whether or not disc golf tournaments as we know them can possibly continue.

[@RickRobichaudDG]

Thanks for the updates. I really enjoyed this one.

[@CoffeeonKorriban]

Im just not sure why people keep calling Ryan a she. 🤔

[@ahsleywithabeard]

Thx for the updates!

[@triplespace007]

I remember hearing about Trevor's case forever ago, and it was one of the dumbest cases I could imagine. Seems like a good waste of money though. Natalie also has a weird case. MPO exists for a reason. If you aren't comfortable competing against that competition, then don't. Practice until you feel prepared.

[@frankvomberg6628]

Maybe you should listen again to the videos about the Nathalie case and try to understand the problem.

[@sammyboyyy]

@@frankvomberg6628the problem is Nathan I mean Natalie

[@lafondawilliams]

Nice give him the same advice he tried to give to the actual women 😂 get good, what a toolbag

[@danmartin3893]

@@frankvomberg6628 If you really think the issue is something other than a biological male trying to play in a division that is protected to females... then maybe you should rethink the fact that you "understand the problem".

[@jbking14]

@@danmartin3893simple explanations to complex issues only make sense to the simple minded.

[@mscudde2]

Appreciate the update!

[@gene6839]

Does it say what where the injuries the disc gold player in the tournament received? Thank you

[@theairportstuff]

It does appear, from reading the reviews of the McCease course on Udisc that no improvements have been made yet. Still complaints on cow poop even. Expect more lawsuits because that course is dangerous.

[@cinnapaw23]

Dude needs to start playing what her chronozones say, not what her imagination thinks.

[@ThePokamitch]

*his

[@jordanashford7521]

*Chromosomes

[@D-ragon-S]

Accepting her gender doesn't mean you can not except her participation in the FPO. The fact has always showed that a gender borned man has a lot more strength then a gender born woman. Therefore it is unfair to compete for money. I accept Natalie's choice to change gender but not her competing against women.

[@hoyle7780]

How many events did she win again this year? I fail to see this dominance everyone is referring to. I personally dont care either way but it annoys me that people are so hateful. Maybe I don't agree with everything but I will still treat her with kindness and respect. At the end of the day she's a touring pro & I think that's cool.

[@birdinflight3861]

@@hoyle7780quite a few over the last couple of seasons. At least 2-3. And each time Natalie cashes a bunch of women are displaced from their proper payout.

[@D-ragon-S]

@@hoyle7780 The dominance in competitions has not been showed yet. And that is why it has to be addressed right now. I have no hate against Natalie and support her discission to become the the identity she needs to be to feel fulfilled. Much love to her. The problem is that when it comes to competing on a fair plainfield. It's not fair to (by birth gender) have a significant higher strength in a sport that demands strength. If it was an other sport like skeet shooting or dart or snooker, then it's not a factor with strength. Then let it happen. Discgolf is now starting to have life-changing prize money for women. 40.000$ to the winner, 22.000$ second place and 14.000$ third place. That's why the unfair advantages have to stop right now.

[@angieb8941]

@@hoyle7780there are 10,000 males who played in MPO in a tournament in 2023 who are rated lower than the top rated FPO. They wouldn’t dominate. Why? Because they have not worked as hard as the top rated FPO player. If they had worked as hard, they would be playing MPO on tour. Your logic makes no sense. We exclude males from female divisions because they are capable of achieving more not because they aren’t currently crushing it. We don’t evaluate each of them to determine if they actually are capable of more. We have decided that we want to see females who have achieved the highest skill possible for a female. We don’t want to see mediocre males.

[@throwler]

At what point, I wonder, will we stop referring to men as she and her. I don't blame the person that's experiencing gender dysphoria. But I'll never understand why people continually call a man, with all the man parts below, she or her. No wonder our kids our confused. The adults in their lives have lost their collective minds.

[@playdiscgolf1546]

Just in case there is anyone here that can’t understand why we are against trans in the FPO, here is some perspective. I am an Am1 dude with a 950 rating, not even close to sponsored and nobody will probably ever know me…. But someone made a transition, with my skill level and rating, and made $10,000 in the biggest tournament in our state and has many sponsors….

[@GimmeTam]

All dudes should start playing in FPO. See what happens then.

[@mgoh1984]

I would sue if I was a female rated below that guy in the FPO. Was hoping to see some of that.

[@MaxLBogue]

She didn't play disc golf before her transition. If you get the events wrong nobody will take you seriously, and rightly so.

[@2mile1976]

@@MaxLBoguebeyond his point man. What your saying doesn’t matter.

[@MaxLBogue]

@@2mile1976 you’re forgetting the obvious explanation that the reason she plays like a woman is because she is one.

[@JacobPorterLadder]

The McCease case not being closed makes the DGPT decision to have the "Florida Open" there a head scratcher. Also the fact that course needs a lot of work from what people have said .

[@98kouki123]

Nathan needs to play with the men period

[@frankvomberg6628]

You mean why care about law and courts and stuff?

[@sammyboyyy]

@@frankvomberg6628no he means what he said, Frank.

[@Holycow723]

He really should be banned from PDGA for making threats. Remember when he said he would take down the DGPT...

[@frisbeefrolf]

Natalie is a woman.

[@ninjalectualx]

No. Why would anybody listen to a dead naming transphobe?

[@randallmcquain9399]

Where can I get one of those hoodies?

[@rageoid]

Thanks for the updates. I suspect the sport exemption in MN will rule the day eventually, after many many thousands have been spent by PDGA and DGPT !

[@netposerx]

That last few months have been nice with no mention of Nate Ryan... until I watched this.

[@ninjalectualx]

Why did you choose to watch, then? Idiot.

[@ItsAllGood_]

Nate was playing most of the tournaments at the end of the year...badly. So he was nowhere near lead card. He was there though...still complaining and making every card he was on awkward as hell

[@ap6982]

Wait, what? They served Mcbeth with papers but didn't. They gave the papers to his wife.

[@ryansmifh]

sweet hoodie man! Nolan is the man

[@philipsaul]

Do one for the new TOSY smart disc, it's delayed due to a patent lawsuit. Not sure how much info there is on it

[@anythingoriginal]

i cancelled my order.

[@ericbeich]

For a few there I thought the world was just crazy enough that Gannon might resign with Prodigy but knowing the exact legalese involved I'd agree, no way he's going back to them.

[@vicccey1345]

so how does the wavier play into this? why even have it in the 1st place?

[@radroberts1877]

Waivers are common practice for lots of activities - climbing gyms, ski resorts, paintball, ropes courses, etc - they usually have an explanation of the risks and consequences a participant may encounter, and the person who signs the waiver usually acknowledges and accepts the risks and agrees to hold the business harmless (aka won't sue them) if something happens. However, waivers can only do so much. If there is negligence by the business they may still be sued and owe damages. In this case, if the waiver said that there is a risk of being hit by a disc and that's what happened and there was no provable negligence, then the plantiff might not have a case. As the sport grows up, the PDGA probably should have an umbrella waiver and an umbrella insurance policy that covers all participants in its events. I'm not a lawyer, and I could have this wrong, but I'm sure discgolflaw will be able to clarify.

[@patnope6344]

yea, idk the story but if thats the law suit against mccease, thats actually kinda delusional. like that would be like me suing the state because some random guy hit me with a disc at a park. i just dont see how there is any grounds for that. as far as it goes i feel like getting hit by a disc, falling all that is just a part of the game. all i think its gonna do is make tournament directors make people sign waivers so if and when someone gets hurt its not on them

[@nicklong7442]

Correction. "Natalie Ryan's lawsuit that HE filed."

[@thatwell7944]

Thanks sherrif🙄

[@jasonelliott6676]

😂

[@jasonelliott6676]

Blokes don't compete with Sheila's. Chaps don't box lasses. Good fellow

[@frankvomberg6628]

Ever wondered why stuff like this get decided in courts and not by bullies like you?

[@sammyboyyy]

@@frankvomberg6628he’s a bully for calling a spade a spade? Doubt it bro😂

[@CarlTempleton77]

Concerning the idiot in Florida who sued McCease, maybe you won’t touch it, but something should be said about his lack of character, many people have had issues with him and how he conducts his business and how he treats people. I believe he has sued before, trying to make money the easy way.

[@Bigmikeyj]

*He filed not she!

[@ninjalectualx]

Take your hate elsewhere bigot

[@robertkitchens6341]

It

[@GimmeTam]

Harding It!

[@simplehuman5937]

Trevor Toenjes is a name I never hoped I'd hear again. He seemed like a scummy person 10 years ago and it seems like nothing has changed.

[@TR-sy6pz]

Just a quick correction. You referred to Natalie Ryan as she. Natalie is male and therefore you should refer to him as he, not she.

[@xenowings81]

He could get a strike against his channel for misgendering.

[@codyyates3437]

@@xenowings81it’s not misgendering though. It’s the correct gender, male.

[@benpritchard1165]

I see those Bergs back there 🤟

[@aeolusdiscgolf]

Life, Liberty & Happiness! :D

[@pdderek]

Hey! Are a radford university alumni!? Nice hat ❤

[@ChrisClark5000]

I am!

[@eviljinius337]

rumor is dgpt almost went broke due to court and lawyer fees, and that's why they came to an agreement with Ryan.

[@Jmseeker21]

Lie. Dgpt is owned by a billionaire

[@finnishforce5094]

who?@@Jmseeker21

[@D_Rat]

​@@Jmseeker21false. Todd and his 2 other siblings inherited around 50m. The rest of his fathers 3b net worth have been put into a charitable foundation.

[@lynch42o]

@@D_Rat that's too bad, what a waste.

[@patavalttia]

Disk Golf is nice, but having *Lawsuits* as a national sport, is awful.

[@christopherdavis826]

Best tournament of the year !!!watching dude,get his unicorn ass ,kicked out of the fpo tournament after the first round!!!!

[@rgalagher2141]

When you thought he was the GOAT and he now does THIS. Thanks for the update

[@mgoh1984]

I feel sorry for the males of all ages who believe they are female. You feel like you are a lady which you may be like one, but leave the females who are to their business.

[@ellisj98]

How to succeed in disc golf tournaments: play in the FPO instead as a biological man!

[@ninjalectualx]

Take your hate elsewhere bigot

[@mccsnackin]

Shoutout pineapple express

[@mccsnackin]

Process servant?… Shine shoes?…

[@C_Haberstoked]

You have been served

[@davidsantellan2722]

I'm sorry but Mr Ryan should not be allowed to play in the woman's division. Are you serious...

[@billmartinn9851]

Question? If a person can identify as a woman when they are a man, and financially profit from it, is it acceptable for a Caucasian person to identify as an Asian, Indian, or African American individual , and financially profit from it?

[@williamreed3060]

It's time the PDGA just left the OTB and moved the tourney elsewhere

[@MarkSmith-bi2lz]

The owner of 1000 rated productions has 2 trans in a team tournament in the female division going on this weekend!!! The only team to do so. Not sure who’s pulling the strings for the OTB open but 1000 rated productions does not value or respect biological women!!!!

[@fodank]

8:06 Nate Ryan is male. Why are you calling him 'she'? (Serious question. I don't get it.) 10:11 Nate Ryan's virtue signalling 'fight' is ridiculous. He is a male. Let him play in MPO. Period. Anything else is smoke and mirrors. 12:34 Thanks for asking... Here's something you and even Nate Ryan appear to have missed. He is a man. Why is no one contesting his contention that he can magically declare himself to be a 'woman'. I just don't understand how the human race has suddenly descended into madness. It is not rocket science. Why is everyone behaving as though it is? Thanks for the updates' Love your videos. Two thirds of the cases mentioned are bogus, but, hey, that's why we have lawyers, right? Cheers, D.

[@jasonrosillo4288]

Natalie should just play in mop if it thinks it’s a real pro

[@GimmeTam]

Someone needs to tonya that dude!

[@sakkek5349]

Another reasons to stay as far from states as possible. U guys can't do anything whitout gointo courtroom...

[@QuentinH-o9x]

Lot of problems here but having established and fair judicial system where you are innocent until proven guilty, can bring cases, and aren’t a dirt floor courtroom with bribes in the back is much better. No your place, foreign commenter on American company products.

[@dirkmagilicuddy5136]

*He

[@stoneymarxist]

Ruining TDTM. With a lawsuit sucks

[@Monkey-biz]

News alert: Nat Ryan is a dude. I won't use the word man out of respect to men.

[@1htalp9]

Why do reasonable people continue to propagate other peoples' lies?

[@newmonikermusic]

Natalie is male and is welcome to play in the MPO. Nobody is discriminating against him.

[@DontBlameMeYouVotedForThem]

Why are disc golfers so sue happy?

[@pjh3999]

Total garbage…. The woman’s division doesn’t need that type of negativity. Way to grow the sport🤮

[@drewkingma1194]

"Natalie" trying to steal money from real women by pretending is really low.

[@benjamincollins9465]

She’s a dude.

[@Thebunholio]

#Bannathanielryan

[@MaxLBogue]

Lots of hateful people in these comments. No wonder you people don't understand anti-discrimination legislation.

[@whitneymorris3928]

Meanwhile Natalie is going around wholesale assaulting women with hugs they don’t want. Because if someone doesn’t want Natalie’s hug, then they get labeled, right?

[@ritchieconstitution2112]

Mr Ryan is a scrub. The PDGA should not let him play period.

[@steveptasznik6147]

If they change it from Female Professional Open to Transgender Women/Women Professional Open, then I am on board with it. As for the Mcbeth case, just take a few signed Luna discs and be done with it.

[@dillewisslive3238]

That DUDE needs to play with people HIS own gender…

[@joshuablanck3596]

They should have a vote breakdown of all pdga players. If an super alien wanted to play in the pdga we would say no it's unfair..

[@Memory815]

Stop calling the dude a she.