Report: Microsoft Got Obliterated, It Isn't Even Close

[@BellularNews]

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[@orrefis]

me watching ads for stuff I can't even buy because US and Canada only

[@evankirk2976]

They're all sold out. Doesn't that effectively limit your referral money if the company limits the quantity of product on your referral code?

[@zazamaza8648]

WORST CHAIR EVER! DONT BUY

[@TremereTT]

Valve did good , to develop SteamOS and to make the Steamdeck. Who knows what MS would do to them. I'm sure MS would easily treat Valve, like Apple treats Epic. Also , While I will not buy the Chair. This was the first not annying advert on youtube , I didn't skip, in a loooong time . I don't know how much it helps , but I think it can't hurt to give you that information.

[@roxaskinghearts]

No one wanted to end the online tax because i rather spend my money on a good game sale something steam is great for because they have to tell you your renting beforehand

[@Play_In_Traffic]

6:18 Starfield didn't suffer because of Gamepass. It suffered because it's just a shit game. Bethesda dropped the ball on that game.

[@TheMuslimMan1337]

@@Play_In_Traffic They dropped the ball so hard it clipped through the ground

[@Mirthful_Midori]

Bethesda has been getting worse for the last two decades. Starfield is just the logical culmination of everything wrong with how they make video games.

[@uberculex]

More than one thing can be true. It lost its core audience to gamepass and failed to outreach due to it being bad. Bad games make money all the time, this one was really set up for failure.

[@YoYoBobbyJoe]

They saw how well No Man's Sky was crawling its way back from utter decimation and thought that they could somehow do it better. Ended up just making a game that's as bad or worse than launch day NMS in nearly every way.

[@shifterzx]

And yet, Starfield was still a commercial success becoming #11 best selling game of 2023 and ended up having over 15 million players.

[@ElfDestruct]

First thing they should have done is fire whoever thought of the “One X”and then “Xbox Series” branding.

[@CoronaMage]

XBone

[@chiquita683]

Most people dont know that Xbox is owned by the same company that has Windows which supports PC gaming

[@richardhands904]

I'd like to think i follow games releases / consoles relatively closely but I get confused with which console is which.

[@declass9481]

Facts, huge misstep.

[@hoshi314]

and there are cases where people bought "Xbox One X" when they wanted "Xbox Series X" mainly by clueless grandparents or clueless parents

[@PVS3]

I don't think you can overstate how impactful the whole "Xbox series" and "Xbox One X" Brandon confusion was. Which one is new? Which one do I need? Is the series X different than the X? Consumer confusion does not help sales. Especially when your competitor is as easy as "5 is bigger than 4, so you know it's the new one" Microsoft saw how much money Nintendo lost on the Wii U, and said "Hold my microbrew IPA"...

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

You're not wrong either. The whole point of a console is the fact it is not on customer to optimise the game, the developer curates it according to the hardware specs it's not complicated, anyone can pick up a game, any developer can dive in knowing they only have to spec for one system. That concept is shot in the ass when you intentionally create a weaker system that has to be curated for (this goes for the Pro as well not to say it's weaker but it's just another set of specs no-one wants to adapt more time to) . Indeed Nintendo seem to be the only ones who understand the point of a console... accessibility, you start up a game and job done.

[@SimuLord]

Even Nintendo learned the lesson well, and they are going simply with "Switch 2." When you have a powerful brand name, you need to make it work for you, not against you.

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

@ Bingo, you set the trend... you don't follow it.

[@TheLastSane1]

@@SimuLord To be fair a Super Switch would have also been a very clear second model and many of the kids who grew up with the Super Nintendo are full grown ass adults and would have bought it for the nostagla anyway. There is a reason those mini Nintendos sold like fucking hot cakes.

[@SimuLord]

@@TheLastSane1 That's fair, but it would've painted Nintendo into a corner (and anyone younger than 35 wouldn't have the nostalgia button to press, which considering Nintendo's audience skews younger isn't the best strategy.) They now have an option to make a Switch 3, Switch 4, etc. for as long as the brand is working for them; beyond a Super Switch, where would they have been able to go with it that still clearly defined which direction the brand was going? They ran into that problem with the 3DS.

[@MrBluman999]

Buy every studio in sight, make no games. "Why arent we making money?"

[@mattmccaughen7371]

make no games lol wild take xbox literaly has to many games

[@a1racer441]

@@mattmccaughen7371 exactly they have been releasing a ton of games the last couple years, while Sony has done nothing but remakes that nobody asked for.

[@rickmel-q7m]

@@a1racer441 yeah, nobody asked for a demon souls remake or anything...

[@mattmccaughen7371]

@ not to mention sony has been falling apart latly xbox future is bright this hate is from the xbox show case everyone was talking about how amazing it was

[@a1racer441]

@ ok cool so you are good with Sony making a ton of remakes and canceling upcoming games. Got it enjoy your no games for the next few years.

[@tyler60904]

The reason the hardware sales are declining is because of the lack of compelling games to play. There is no point in buying a ps5 pro when you'll be playing older games on it anyway. This is all the fault of big gaming companies and poor oversight on microsoft and Sony. When i look at even last gens libraries i have on both systems, they are 10 times what i have on current gen. Nintendo at least understands that it's not about the power but the games. Hence, why it is selling loads. I've got more Nintendo games now than the past two generations of xbox and ps combined. If every game studio is taking 4 to 8 years to make 1 game to utilize the hardware, then you'll get 2 games from them max per generation. The rest will be filler indie games where only a small percent are masterpieces. I buy physical as much as i can, but gamers are pushing the industry into the direction of online only and streaming services. They just go where the money leads them. Yes, they are making dumb decisions, but so are gamers. You've been trading ownership and great single-player games for live service and convenience. Theres no winners here at the end.

[@matthewcarroll2533]

Sure there are winners in the end: the shareholders who bounce to the next profitable venture after the company (insert any publicly traded video gaming company here) goes kaput. Sometimes the CEO's make it out with a huge golden parachute, too, like Bob Iger did.

[@cyzcyt]

Funny how consoles charges people to have multi-player service and wonder why it's having a hard time

[@romnickrosario6048]

Buying physical is great if it’s available. Unfortunately I live in a “developing county” and digital is just more accessible for me.

[@Razumen]

Sony is eating dirt from ignoring their classic franchises in the search for GaaS $$$. Flop after flop awhile they literally lose hundreds of millions of dollars.

[@johangrannas4837]

I dont think console wars are fought by gamers anymore... they are fought by irrational suits.

[@bigphilly08]

Cap

[@51Boiler73]

they dont wear suits anymore they wear 1000 dollar grey hoodies and slim fit jeans, as is typical of the sillicon valley tech yuppie

[@uberculex]

They always have been? The ACTUAL console wars started between Sega and Nintendo who were very much at each other's throats.

[@chiquita683]

​@@uberculexOP really fell for the marketing hype in the 90s and thought Sega were his enemy

[@VarroTigurius-u1f]

Remember.. the only reason Microsoft created the Xbox was because Sony way back in the day made a comment about the Playstation making PCs obsolete... Microsoft then butthurt decided they would come in and compete with Sony in the console gaming market originally stating that all Microsoft games would work across their console and with PCs.. It only took them 1-2 decades before they actually followed through with implementing that idea. So yes.. console wars are all about irrational butthurt suits.

[@sofaking1627]

"If we lose our way with Halo, we lose our way with Xbox" Well, they lost their way with Halo like a decade ago and NEVER once managed to fix it so...

[@jakobkrakstrom4101]

In this day and age is one game really enough to sell a console? Sony and Nintendo have been building exclusive catslouges for years. I dont think one Halo game would be able to save Xbox now

[@smithynoir9980]

@@jakobkrakstrom4101 Not now, no. But had they not dropped the ball with the title by giving to the amateurs at 343, they'd be sitting on a back catalogue of half a dozen + entries into the series. Halo 3 was the reason the Xbox360 did so well, if they'd kept that momentum, they'd be in charge right now. But you are right, there isn't anything they can do with Halo now to bring that sort of pulling power back.

[@Venomx-nb1jr]

@@smithynoir9980porting H5 to pc would help keep them on life support at least. The game is still perfectly playable.

[@palasta]

@@jakobkrakstrom4101 Yes, this hyperfocus on a single IP is ridiculous. It becomes pretty obvious when looking at the catalogues of IPs built by the three and compare them. MS doesn't even come close and then people really think one franchise is what makes the big difference.

[@Razumen]

@@jakobkrakstrom4101 It's not enough, but their inability to deliver on even their biggest franchise just shows a symptom of MS's bigger problem: They just don't, and never have understand games.

[@Rigel_6]

I honestly blame all the shit Sony has the balls to pull off on Microsoft's incompetence. They wouldn't have the audacity if there was actual competition to fight tooth and nail over the customer base. But it is how it is, Nintendo has it's own little ecosystem carved out leaving Sony the big dog

[@AlwayzFresh]

I blame Sony and fans

[@PureBassO]

At least Sony is now cancelling all these bs live service games meaning they will go back to focusing on what they were already doing years ago

[@adjwindu70]

​@PureBassO you want to think so. They may be moving to using AI to make as much of a game as they can get away with.

[@chilbiyito]

​​@@PureBassOan entire generation worth of potential wasted going all in on live service was a mistake now they have no games to fall back on from the failures

[@Tenz2346g]

@@AlwayzFreshyou cannot blame the fans when there is no better alternative

[@Regnier191]

If Microsoft took Halo away from those monkies 343 10 years ago, maybe their flagship IP wouldn't be in the dumpster and they'd have a game series people would actually consider buying an Xbox for.

[@FungiLime]

@@Regnier191 Geto?

[@darciheadswillroll]

@@Regnier191 343 had to have some kinda main series exclusivity contract because theirs no shot they can run the franchise that poorly and get away with it

[@AnomymAnonym]

make it in russia, then it would be fun maybe

[@liamwilson7549]

That’s why Nintendo is successful, I literally buy the new generation consoles whenever there is a new fire emblem game coming with them

[@VonTaylan]

I liked halo 4 😊😊😊 but hey i know what you mean. The current state of Halo is just to sad. Really really sad.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

You either die a Dreamcast or live long enough to BECOME an Xbox.

[@adjwindu70]

Dreamcast could have been huge. Their version of Skies of Arcadia was great. That 3d fighter they had at lunch was a ton of fun too.

[@MastermindAtWork]

@@adjwindu70 SoulCalibur and Dead or Alive 2 were must haves on the console.

[@lordfizzz]

Power Stone was hella fun also. The 2k games, pso, quake 3 shit I feel so fortunate to have rode that Dreamcast wave for a little while

[@ArkonBlade]

The Dreamcast was the best console that never was. No one will be saying that about Xbox whatever its called now

[@maddo-hq9jr]

Not the console we deserve but the console we're stuck with 😂

[@shadowsayer1516]

Personally I hate the games subscription services. I want to buy it , own it, play it when I want with no ongoing costs and no worries of it being "shut down".

[@BigLongRandomNumberNameM-kf9vy]

Same. I have games today that I bought 20 years ago and still boot up every now and then.

[@shayanali8771]

@@shadowsayer1516 games subscriptions are not mandatory, it's a choice. Maybe you prefer owning the game, but with PS Extra I like to save money by renting out many games.

[@Surkk2960]

@@shayanali8771 It's a choice... for now.

[@crazydude5825]

​@@Surkk2960Exactly. Big publishers are salivating at the prospect of one day having full control of your games library.

[@MrBazBake]

This is where the money is and I love it. Microsoft redesigned their entire OEM to be day one compatible between Xbone and PC. They've been building toward this for over a decade. This is their endgame. Edit: Microsoft officially made more money off Game Pass than consoles and games combined half a decade ago. And they froze the cost of Game Pass to what it was at launch because it was just that much of a moneymaker. Hard to argue with results.

[@dangerbeans9639]

Microsoft seems to have forgotten that at some point, they actually need to make games that people want to play.

[@theowl415]

Most people play 3rd party games that are available everywhere Exclusives don't sell the console PlayStation just cancel like 6 games including a GOW multiplayer that would have been amazing

[@dualie-dude-42]

I mean to be fair there's 4 highly anticipated Xbox games coming out this year. Meanwhile playstation...

[@450AHX]

@@theowl415 No, exclusives do sell consoles. It's just that nobody wants to make exclusives, certainly not on the underdog console. Microsoft should be the one making those exclusives, but they don't seem interested, either.

[@antonr3083]

@@theowl415no they did cancel those games because of their failed live service strategy. Everybody would have loved those polished ps exclusive single player experiences

[@tronam]

No they haven’t. This year is stacked with Microsoft games people want to play.

[@Larry]

They're essentially becoming the next Sega.

[@dgamer5075]

@@Larry the people behind a spiritual dreamcast successor, doomed to the fate of their predecessors. Frankly, it's poetic in a way.

[@jacobxiaolong9104]

Hello you! (Referencing his vids) Why do i keep encountering you in the comments section of vids i watch?

[@mattmccaughen7371]

are u kidding? Yall are wild

[@RadicalWombat]

and Sony might join in too. iirc they're internally at war with one faction pushing the sega way while the other wants to stay with the console.

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

But Larry, at least Sega makes games.

[@wafflingmean4477]

It might have worked if Microsoft didn't systematically destroy every exclusive they had.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

The rot runs DEEP at MS. The trailer for their new "Halo Studio" is like watching the Titanic sinking but the people on board are having a party while drowning.

[@ArthropodSpidey]

3:54 ad ends here

[@serteshsardrakal2272]

Thank you good sir!

[@NeilHaskins]

For the consumer, I think one of the worst things about switching to a full-library subscription is we lose the ability to vote with our wallets. Currently, if a game doesn't sell, it's very clear that it's a problem. It means the publisher lost money. If you're just buying a subscription, and they put out a game that no one plays, there probably aren't a lot of people who would make their choice whether to subscribe based on that game, so they really hardly lose any money off it. If they consistently put out garbage, eventually people would cancel their subscriptions, but there may be a few years' lag there, and it isn't so blatantly obvious what the issue was.

[@jakobkrakstrom4101]

It's also a problem if your favorite game is neiche or a bit older. If your favorite gets removed and you want to keep playing, you'd have to buy the game again. I'd rather buy the games i want and keep them forever.

[@smithynoir9980]

@@jakobkrakstrom4101 "You'd have to buy the game again" No you wouldn't, because you hadn't bought it for the first time if you'd been playing through subscription access. Imo, use the subscriptions to test games out then buy the ones you want to actually play. I sign up every few months for a single month, immediately cancel auto-renewal and treat GamePass games as demo's.

[@MonsieurDeVeteran]

I strongly disagree. Look at that game, iirc, High on Life or something? They had very strong engagement on GamePass, but then closed the studio nontheless, why? Most likely because that game was maybe installed by like 5 million different people, but when it was only played for more than 1 hour by just 500k, then for more than 5 hours by just 50k... you suddenly realize that the game is a problem no matter how much the the media is praising it, or how many awards it gets. When you look at game subs succes, you look at total hours played in that particular month, not how many people played the game. But how many hours was it played for... that month, the month after, etc. IF my game is "played" by 10 million players in the first month, but each player only played 30 minutes on average = 570 years of gametime in total for that month. BUUUT if in total for the entire catalogue game for that month players played some 500.000 years of gametime... I think one could easily say that spending 100 million on 1 game that was only played for 0.1% of total gametime during its first month and the nothing is a TERRIBLE MISTAKE. No?

[@twistedobsession3659]

Publishers can see the playtime and the install numbers. If you put a game on Gamespass and it doesn't do well you know very quickly and you should adjust your business accordingly with the money you took from Microsoft up front which probably paid for your development cost.

[@immanuelaj]

It's not feasible for a lot of games. Putting them out on gamepass day 1 just loses them a lot of money in the long run. Xbox is doing it at the moment to increase their market size. Eventually, they'll switch to a model where games won't go out on gamepass day 1, but maybe after 6-12 months instead. Or even release on gamepass for a weekend and then after that you have to buy the game.

[@Cidhighwind83]

When they raised the prices on Gamepass I quit my subscription. What they were offering didn't justify the price hike. Even less so when you have the games you play disappear after a while, so yeah I rather buy my games and keep playing them. If they want to go the Netflix model with many tiers and raising prices then they should expect to lose costumers.

[@dualie-dude-42]

I canceled it when they raised prices too. And guess what, now I can't play ANY of the games I was playing. I should have just bought them outright. I would have saved money and still been able to play them. Xbox gamepass is not a deal.

[@VonTaylan]

I did the EXACT same thing. I was like F this. I am not letting myself fooled by these guys

[@rickmel-q7m]

who would have thought that "netflix for games" would do the things netflix does

[@MrBazBake]

Gamepass is still 10 bucks and always has been since launch in the US. What country are you in where they're screwing you?

[@SuperCeasar777]

​@@dualie-dude-42no that's just a skill issue on your part for not knowing you don't own any of the games on the service 😂 I agree you should've bought the games you wanted to play. For me gamepass is still an amazing deal

[@nemesis7884]

Msofts problem is a lack of quality control as they keep releasing not enough games which more often then not disappoint....no pipeline, no quality, no success

[@Sawyer1982OAC]

@@nemesis7884 they approached game development like software development. It was never going to work

[@Play_In_Traffic]

Wait, how many games has Sony released for their current gen console? They both have floundered in this area. Personally, I'm glad i made the move from console to PC. Best decision in my video game life.

[@rastas_4221]

@Play_In_Traffic And you are playing those games on who's operating system? Don't lie to me and say Linux.

[@Sawyer1982OAC]

@ what Sony has to do with anything ? Did you actually watch the video?

[@Tenz2346g]

@@Play_In_Traffic23 exclusives on ps5 till date some of them are on pc or are there on other consoles now

[@Laimeryn]

The moment you said "Xbox everywhere", the only thing that came up in my mind was collecting data. We can't imagine how it's VERY profitable. If they're everywhere, they know you well.

[@toddwall5346]

Everyone's wants Data info about you including Playstation 😊

[@alexursu4403]

That's a lot worse than my brain going to "KIRYU-CHAN !".

[@Cakebattered]

"Xbox Everywhere" is just code for "Xbox is no longer a platform and just a 3rd part publisher"

[@TheSkyyIsAwesome]

good point!

[@kode-man23]

Am I missing something? Does Microsoft think that Game’s Pass will be on the PS6 and the Switch 2? I’m so confused as to what their endgame here is. It’s on the PC, I get that. Good luck competing against Steam, but that makes sense at least. It will be on mobile… sure, why not. But they are lost if they think think that Sony and Nintendo will host Game’s Pass on their consoles. They will happily sell X-box exclusives on their consoles. But not Game’s Pass. Am I missing something? Where else does Game’s Pass have to go?

[@Ghost-cd7tx]

It starts at the top. Phil Spencer should get most of the blame. His statement about first-party games won't sell consoles was such a stupid statement. Them closing the studio that made Hi-Fi Rush, the only first-party game that people actually love back in 2023 was also. He needs to step down or else the Microsoft Game Studio will go the same way of Sega.

[@theowl415]

Most people play 3rd party games they don't buy consoles because of the exclusives They buy the console because they are already invested into the ecosystem If I was a PlayStation player why would go buy an Xbox where I can't take my games collection with me..... Go put your dunce cap on mate, take the L

[@SimuLord]

"First-party games won't sell consoles". Yeah, nobody bought a Switch, those Marios and Zeldas are just a passing fad.

[@deniskobza5092]

​@@theowl415 I disagree. As someone who sells video game consoles, most people buys consoles for their exclusives. They usually buys Playstations which has more interesting games and same 3rd party games xbox has. There are also customers who buys a console only for 1 game they like. They usually sells the console and game back but there is always someone who stick with the console and buys more games.

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

@@SimuLord Those games form a core audience, but the Switch absolutely relied on third party games to grow beyond that: the whole reason it's necessary for Nintendo to go through the trouble of a portable console in the first place is because they know a sizeable chunk of their audience are buying Switches to play indie games on a portable device.

[@GLnoG420]

Bruh. I'd buy a ps5, or heck, a ps4, just to play Gran Turismo on it. If the game is good enough, people will buy the console just to play that game. It ain't hard to imagine, but of course, people Phil Spencer just have to be out of touch.

[@earlofdoncaster5018]

Microsoft games never recovered from the tragically inept/hilarious launch of the Xbone. It's really the most publicised suicide in history.

[@kevburke]

I remember turning on my laptop to watch the stream of the reveal and, before the video feed even buffered, I heard mention of the kinect and that was it for me... I completely skipped Xbox for the last two generations

[@hshgf3410]

Full mask off moment. Drm box with a spy camera and locking the ability to resell or share games with friends. What in the fucking world were they thinking? Then sony dunked on the with that "tutorial" video on how to share games on playstation. Its wild that they thought that was a good strategy.

[@jigglynorris2559]

I played the crap out of my 360. I'll never forget when Don Mattrick said if you don't have an Internet connection, buy an Xbox 360. It was right there I bought a PS4

[@klassic9900]

@@hshgf3410 It made perfect sense from the perspective of a corporate suit. See we look at it from the perspective as gamers, or logically wanting Xbox to live on into the future but corporate suits don't care about the company nor the product. They want easy money right NOW. And if they don't get it, they blame everyone under the sun except for themselves then if they somehow get backed into a corner with no way out they submit their resignation and move onto the next company down the road and do the same parasitic shit to them. Ever notice how most if not all companies do this after a certain size? Shareholders and Corporate suits kill companies like a slow cancer.

[@brendanlyttle7614]

Looking back, it's crazy how we didn't see too many heads rolling in the wake of that fuck-up. Given the long term damage that fiasco caused, Don Mattrick and anyone else responsible for the Xbone should have had black mark damning enough that they'd only be able to get work flipping burgers or dancing on poles.

[@thegoldennuggetgamer]

I refuse to use any gaming subscription service. It just wont happen.

[@De1usionsofGrandeur]

All good just means you dont like to save money along with other uses they provide

[@portales765]

Then don't!

[@kotzpenner]

@@De1usionsofGrandeur why would I waste good money on crappy games when I have a backlog of around 200 games on Steam?

[@DMSslooko52]

Why? That just seems a bit foolish.

[@kotzpenner]

based, why waste money?

[@_Devil]

Console gaming pretty much boils down to "Which $500 DVD player do you want to play GTA6 on, the Router or the Fridge?"

[@aaronsondag8347]

@@_Devil who honestly wants to play an extremely overrated series since GTA 4.

[@xXD4rkS0ul]

@@aaronsondag8347 the same people who get an xbox or playstation?

[@gearfriedtheswmas]

@@aaronsondag8347 Gta 4 sucks at least gta 5 doesn't have the piss filter.

[@radomiami]

You've gotta give the PS5 and Xbox Series X more credit. They're _clearly_ Blu-Ray players.

[@chiquita683]

The fact that people are still playing consoles in 2025 is crazy.

[@YoYoBobbyJoe]

What microphone do you use? Your audio is stellar. Never sounds too close, never too quiet.

[@NailBombEnjoyer]

Looks to be an RE 20 I think

[@NailBombEnjoyer]

although there is processing on this vocal as well, good audio is usually a combination of someone that knows how to speak into a mic properly, some nice corrective EQ without too much low end and some compression to make it easier to listen to. Maybe some De essing as well depending on the person.

[@fulgerion]

@@NailBombEnjoyer so many creators never learn manage their low end frequencies with those fancy mics. I need to adjust my EQ based on the creator I watch. I need to get a hardware mixer, or EQ that way I can just do it on the spot. I flip around, and too many times I find creators where their bass floods out their voice, and make my neighbors complain. Those same creators tend have some superiority complex, and arrogance when you confront them about it as if they are infallible. Bellular News nailed it perfectly and I never needed to adjust away from my baseline EQ.

[@NailBombEnjoyer]

@ Yeah I agree, I'm one step ahead of you. I have an SSL bigsix which has nice sounding 3 band EQs and more than enough channels. I love it!

[@cc0767]

​@@fulgerionfor real. A youtuber I follow got a new fancy mic and I just get a headache now.

[@slickrick7438]

Game pass is a cancer in the gaming world. If all we had was subscription game services gaming companies would start releasing demos as full games. It would ruin the art of creating a great game with a complete experience.

[@mattmccaughen7371]

touch grass game pass is amazing

[@dragonriderabens9761]

If game pass is a cancer, what does that make exclusives, since they’re 10000x worse?

[@stormnorman7215]

Terrible take, Im not spending 70 USD+ per game I want to play for 5 hours never to touch em again

[@MrBazBake]

Game Pass has been 10 dollars since launch, it does exactly what it says, I can cancel wherever, and I never feel ripped off. This is the best era of gaming since Steam... before Steam actually became Steam and screwed it up.

[@IamOutOfNames]

@@stormnorman7215 Sounds like skill issue on your end, pick better games.

[@_Draidon]

I think they're losing sales to Steam more than to GamePass. If there's I game I played on GamePass that I like, I buy it on steam where it can almost always be found for cheaper. For example The Long Dark is a Game I enjoyed on GP before it left, if I want to buy it and play again now why would I pay $45 on Xbox when I can get it for 50% off on steam right now?

[@dragonriderabens9761]

This is an aspect I don’t think gets talked about enough The primary reason I don’t use game pass more regularly is because hate opening up the Xbox app on PC And it’s an even bigger pain to actually find games after If MS wants to grow Game Pass, all they gotta do is make it available on Steam. And it isn’t like Steam is adverse to subscriptions like that. EA Play is available there too

[@ollielanders]

1:17 let's be real, pretty much most of it was from COD. Despite everyone hating on it we all know most still buy the game etc.

[@cjyoung5635]

As a f2p it's still pretty fun, though something I'll never let people live down is when they said MS would lower the cost of mtx only for them to double down on it. (Compression is still ass though) People tried to excuse it with well yea they need to leave it for a lil bit to make money back for awhile.

[@ActuallyNotIlmatar]

That's a weird chart at 9:15. Nintendo experienced growth, but 2012-13 implies that the Wii U wasn't a complete flop of a console. This is really just Switch sales, assuming no dedicated Handheld e.g. DS/3DS were included. Those also released as massive net growth for Nintendo, but don't fit into those given years. 2004 for the DS and 2011 for the 3DS. So a whole year prior to those demarcations.

[@dovahkiinhater]

@@ActuallyNotIlmatar 2000-01-next bar, 2005-06-next bar, 2012-13-present time

[@ActuallyNotIlmatar]

@@dovahkiinhater Yes, ignoring the fact the switch release in 2017/18 and the 3DS in 2011. I can read bar diagrams, thank you.

[@matthewcarroll2533]

@@ActuallyNotIlmatar Glad i'm not the only one who noticed that... Weird thing to show for what he was speaking about in the moment. *edit* Hopefully there's no AI shenanigans going on with this channel, too. So many these days are trying to use AI to lessen the workload and it often produces shit like this. I'm sure that isn't the case... I hope.

[@Leo-pd8ww]

Financial reporting can be weird with timeframes. Nintendo's financial year ends March 31st. This may shift for which year they book certain revenue. Nvidia books a year ahead. Could this be the cause of what you are seeing?

[@brandonesteves432]

I believe Wiis were still selling very well during that time. I remember my grandmas retirement center getting a Wii during the Wii U generation and they thought it was hype

[@bahamutdragons]

Can we stop pointing to exceptions as the norm? Pointing to Baldur's Gate 3's exceptional success is no comfort for the droves of passionate other developers who just die out because their games didn't sell well. Games like Tales of Kenzera: ZAU. Let's not pretend that "passion" is the problem and that it solves everything.

[@some-online-dude]

You gotta win the attention economy's lottery

[@tohafi]

Streaming for movies and games still seem like a VC bubble to me. Always "just a few years" away from profit...

[@ZontarDow]

Except Netflix, AppleTV and many of the middle and smaller streaming services are currently profitable.

[@InvalidationX145]

@@ZontarDow Can only imagine how much money Netflix alone would be making if they didn't make so many shows and then immediately cancel them in their first season.

[@yourfake915]

@@ZontarDow AppleTV is not profitable the only ones that are Netflix, MAX, Paramount plus and recently Disney plues

[@cartilagehead]

I think one of the unspoken upshots about the sharp decline in high-power console sales vs stuff like the Switch and 3DS is how Nintendo (and maybe perversely, Apple/Google, etc, if you want to include total game revenue and mobile/tablet gaming) is the only major platform maker still truly holding down the "video games as a toy for little kids" market. After Sony and Microsoft used DVD playing to sell higher-powered consoles 25 years ago they both largely started pursuing "average console buyers" as either adults buying a home entertainment device for themselves or as parents buying a home entertainment device for the whole family. I'm not saying Nintendo doesn't do that (lord knows the Wii was marketed to everyone and the Switch and older handhelds have always been popular with adults) as well, but when I think of the console that a parent would buy specifically for a child, or two or three children, under the age of ten, it's not a $600 PlayStation 5. It's not even a $300 Xbox Series S. One of the things that gets lost in conversations comparing Switch sales to other consoles (or 3DS sales to other consoles for that matter) is that tons of little kids have Switches and Switch Lites. Tons of little kids had 3DSs and 2DSs, etc. And that's before you even talk about the millions of kids who primarily game on a tablet or phone.

[@explodedglue5509]

​@cartilagehead you make a fair and clear point

[@vissermatt1058]

i think nintendo and their older franchises, understand the strategic value of the older games. we played SNES games when we were kids, and it takes them a few days to emulate those games on ANY hardware since. and most of their handhelds have maintained that lower tech demand. you can make "kids game" without needing to sell 10 million copies.... even though since you are selling it or its cheap sequels over and over to the nex gen of kids, those ips end up being worth billions (lookin at you mario, mario cart, and zelda)

[@SeventhWhiteCat]

It's almost as if the primary motivation of games is to play and have fun.

[@im3phirebird81]

@@SeventhWhiteCat No, it's a second job, a place for grinding and building up frustration so you can then go out into the world and let them feel the best side of you xD

[@odenmora7574]

The thing about these corporations is that they still want to put all their eggs in one basket and reach that infinite growth number. Two things. 1.) I will always want single player stories/ adventures. That’s where the art is and I will always prefer physical media. And companies are only chasing the online digital live service. That’s what they’re investing in and they’re gonna fail. Because people aren’t a monolith and even people that enjoy playing online games want to switch it up from time to time. (Also people want to own the things they buy stfu Ubisoft) 2.) there is no such thing as infinite growth. It’s unsustainable. And unrealistic. Companies doing everything they can to keep up with that illusion (like laying off their work force en mass) is going to bite them back hard. Because that’s talent lost. Talent that sometimes you can’t get back because they get burnt out and just leave the industry all together. No matter how much you try and replace that with AI. It’s not gonna work. It’s not the same. And that’s why these companies lose and what the end of the day they will never understand. Cause companies are greedy machines like that. And that’s how capitalism works. It needs to expand. And once you can’t expand anymore it eats itself away.

[@SioxerNikita]

1) What you want is completely and utterly irrelevant to the overall market. The vast majority of customers don't really care about physical media, otherwise, Steam would never have grown. It is far more comfortable to have 500 games on Steam, than having to dedicate major amounts of space for physical games that will inevitably break. 2) Yeah, and no. It is unsustainable, but the rules of being a stock company exists, so they have to try for the stockholders. It's called fiscal responsibility, and it is stockholders that pushes towards that. The thing is though, Microsoft has been one of the larger companies that haven't pushed for infinite growth itself. They have in many if not most of their markets reached saturation. XBox was simply dying for them, so they are expanding their licenses into a different space, which makes sense. Beyond that, firing their staff en masse, has nothing to do with "infinite growth". Companies that continuesly grow end up with massive staffs, and very rarely fire. It's when things start going bad, things go in an unexpected route, etc. Also, the people leaving are most of the time not "talent", they are just another code monkey, that is easily replaceable by the 1000s standing in line right behind them. Way too many people have the ability to program and want to get into the game making industry. The same thing is true for artists... It's an oversaturated industry. "And that’s why these companies lose and what the end of the day they will never understand. Cause companies are greedy machines like that. And that’s how capitalism works. It needs to expand. And once you can’t expand anymore it eats itself away." Actually not how "Capitalism" works. It is how AMERICAN Capitalism works. Frankly, you don't seem to understand anything about the capitalism you are talking about. Plenty of super large scale companies that have reached saturation are not eating themselves, or trying to push weird innovation, or similar, to continuesly grow. They are plenty aware of where they are in the market, how to keep competing, and how to improve... and they are plenty aware there is no room to do any major growth, and any growth is going to be reliant on other markets increasing first.

[@damon6086]

We never owned our games back then. It's an IP which means the property is owned by whoever made the game.

[@SeanSMST]

​@@SioxerNikita At least on 2), you're fairly wrong. For one, when infinite growth is brought up, it's not talking about actual company growth through investments, such as employing more staff, building out and improving company infrastructure, etc. No, it's talking about the infinite growth on a financial graph. Shareholders want infinite money growth, but that's literally unsustainable. If shareholders wanted further growth of the company, not solely financially, it doesn't make sense why the games they'd release would be trying to rinse consumers of money so aggressively, instead of producing great quality games that stand on their own. It aligns with the growing love for indie darling games, since what the big companies are making is not what the majority of consumers want. The main belief on how they accomplish infinite growth is by laying off a ton of staff, not only trainee young devs but also firing or forcing veteran staff to leave, to bring in young less-experienced but lower salaried staff instead. It's not just 'code monkeys', it's staff that are actually experienced, veterans in the company and field, which also means being higher payed, and more influential which causes issues with upper/middle management. With so much micromanaged aggressive cost cutting, it makes sense why the aaa games are suffering with the good staff being kicked out and inexperienced devs getting left with the same responsibilities. I'm not sure on concrete evidence to back this stuff up, but it would line up with why so many companies layed off so much staff in recent years, lower quality games and why there's more and more microtransactions, gacha and life service elements in aaa games. At the same time that's happening, there's the growing love and attention on the indie space, with higher quality and more and more beloved games made indie/on small budgets. If indie games made by nobodies can become some of the best selling games each year and win a ton of awards, over massive teams working on big games, there's clearly something going wrong with one to allow for the other to thrive. Big industries do not simply allow small nobodies to succeed on purpose.

[@SeanSMST]

​@@damon6086 Sure every product is copyrighted and so someone owns the actual content, but when you buy physical you own that copy. If you buy any game digitally, it can literally be taken off the store any time, and unless you have the game installed, you may not be able to download again. If it's live service, even having it installed doesn't mean you can play it again. Not only in direct playability is physical media preservation important. It also allows people access to modify their game, access game files, understand how their games work, etc. For example, I learned how mario kart on the wii worked by modding the hell out of it. Like what filenames the music tracks have to be called, how checkpoints work, etc. These things help you understand games in ways not possible otherwise.

[@SioxerNikita]

@SeanSMST I know it is talking about financial growth on a financial graph, and everything I said stands. And when firing people, it is primarily random "code monkeys". The "good staff" often leaves for better pay elsewhere, what veterans tends to do these days. And no what lines up with the lay offs, is the growth from Covid, they expected to continue, gave a dip. Microtransactions is because it is profitable, gacha, the same, although there aren't a crazy uptick in those. There is a limited customer base. Live service is because it is automatic DRM, they have more control over their license, and consumers have a weird concept in their head where they need a game to constantly update, or it is not a good game. Indie hasn't really increased in amount, nor quality. It is mostly the same. A space of gaming that has had steady growth with 90% (if not more) of games not even earning enough back to pay for the development. The few indie games that become best sellers are mostly a question of luck. Undertale coupd easily have been a niche unknown rpg... FNAF could have been an obscure niche horror game. Frankly both likely would have been that if not for being picked up by streamers at the right time. And you also can't compare passion products made by nobodies, who put in more time and effort, than a team who is primarily employees. There'll always be a difference in productivity. The super passion nobodies, also often ruin (or close to) their lives, because of all the attention and time they put into the project, vs. caring for themselves. And big industries do not allow? Big industries don't "allow" anything, because they can't control who buys what. It's always been like that... small little studios doing a better product than a larger one...

[@celestialnovas3790]

I feel game pass is a scam

[@stormnorman7215]

It is not

[@af4396]

@stormnorman7215 It is, all sub services are. You pay hundreds of dollars a year, and once you stop paying, you don't have access to any of it. Not even ONE game. Compared to regular ownership. Where you can pay the same amount or less (just buy good games you can keep playing!) And then you get to keep them. And better yet, if they're physical, you can trade them in for newer games, especially if they're part of a non-storied franchise like Call of Duty. Subs of all kinds are a scam. If you don't know this, you're honestly a fool.

[@stormnorman7215]

@ Buy the 400 odd games currenly on gamepass right now and tell me how much it costs. But Its a scam right? Despite the fact youre looking at thousands if not tens of thousands of USD fopr them all then realize Gamepass is what? 10 USD a month. Did you also forget most of the games are single player? Youll play em once, beat a campaign and not touch em again but its very important to "own" them yeah? Then sell it years later for 1/10 the price you bought it for

[@af4396]

@stormnorman7215 please show me the stats on how many video games people play a year, on average. What are 20 of the 400 games you played last year to completion? Also, just the Doom games alone I play over and over again, or big games like FF7 and GT7 etc. That's not even counting multiplayer like Halo or COD

[@stormnorman7215]

@@af4396 A way Out It Takes Two Remnant 2 Stalker 2 Aliens Dark descent Against The Storm Manor Lords For the king 2 Grounded Deep Rock Galactic Frostpunk 2 No mans sky Yakuza Like a dragon Warhammer 40k Darktide Wartales Lords Of The Fallen Bluey the video game RE3 remake Wo Long Lies of P Palworld Amnesia The bunker The Wandering village Persona 3 reload 7 days to die RE2 remake Back 4 blood House Flipper Persona 5 Royale Metal Hellsinger Doom Eternal Skyrim Ghostwire Chained echoes Atomic Heart A Plague Tale Requiem Warhammer 3 Edge Of Eternity Stardew Valley The Evil WIthin Halo singleplayer (theres like 5 games) We Happy Few Blair Witch Gears 5 DBD ff15 All the gamepass Games I played within the last year. Feel free to tell me I wasted my money

[@xXYannuschXx]

Maybe Microsoft should actually produce games and not try to sink their own studios, by not advertizing the games they make and then firing them despite being successfull (*cough* Tango Gameworks *cough*)

[@mattmccaughen7371]

fanboy much? Look after yer side sony is sinking

[@xXYannuschXx]

@@mattmccaughen7371 I am on neither side mate, why would you assume I am a Sony fanboy? Sony is doing the exact same shit and I am still surprised that the PS5 is selling so well; I stopped liking Sony since the end of the PS3 era and them deciding to kill off so many franchises and studios. But at the same time they blow 500 million on a new franchise nobody cared about (Concord); for that much money you could have produced the "big 3" platformer franchises of the PS2 MULTIPLE times and yet they claim that "we have no beloved IPs"...

[@SciFicAdventures]

I don't game hardcore, I have an IT job and enjoy doing exercises in packet tracer, testing VMs and making servers. Game pass is a no go for me, I'd rather spend $120/year and have a few games to play.

[@plopoplapa]

​​@@Chris-yu3co every gamer is relevant to the topic when the topic is gaming. No need to trash on someone just sharing their perspective

[@matthewcarroll2533]

@@plopoplapa guess whatever the guy you replied to got his comment blocked or something, lol. Can't see it; regardless you're absolutely correct.

[@Wooksley]

Calling consoles high performance is an insult to performance.

[@KyleDavis328]

It's just a way to exclude Nintendo, who's been a bit of an outlier most generations, either doing extremely well (Switch) or extremely poor (Wii U).

[@caliginousmoira8565]

@@KyleDavis328 didn't console used to be considered powerful?

[@kazioo2]

Making a game for PS5 is pretty much identical to highest end PC. But for a smartphone or Switch it's different, due to performance limitations. So for development category it makes perfect sense to call them high performance.

[@r.wallaby6490]

@@kazioo2 PS5 is nowhere near highest end PC PS5 is like a mid-range PC these days, even the pro is only high-end Anything with a 40 or 50 series would blow it out the water

[@beepy9666]

@@kazioo2 not even remotely close to a high-end PC. Consoles have always been a day late and dollar short compared to PC's. This has been an established *fact* for decades at this point.

[@EvilGeniusRetired1]

Why would anyone pay for "renting" games in the game pass. Most people like to play their old games several years down the road. I don't trust game pass to be around in several years.

[@deathtrooper2048]

You already are renting your games if you buy them digitally, especially on PS

[@xcurrentbreeze6626]

@@EvilGeniusRetired1 I'm actually considering getting it to test out games I like, and then "buying" them on Steam or eventually actually buying them on GoG. When I have the time, I'll probably get the 2 week trial for $1 to play the new Indiana Jones and Ninja Gaiden games. It's a bargain to play these new games for $1 and if I like them enough to want to replay them years later, they'll probably be like $10 anyway. Microsoft probably hates customers like me but oh well lol

[@BaithNa]

​@@deathtrooper2048not true, they're required to make your purchases available as long as they're still in business. I can still download old games from 2006 on my PS3 or PSP.

[@steppinonastoop677]

Also gamers tend to have collections better and with more variety than gamepass could ever provide.

[@copiagueeagle]

Game pass is amazing, one of the things I genuinely love about modern gaming. I get access to a TON of cute, smaller indie games that I never would have tried otherwise through it. Idc too much about the big AAA titles on it tbh, but Gamepass is how I discovered Hades for example, one of my all time favorite games. Happily bought it after it left gamepass too.

[@JDog_Unchained]

This makes no sense. The bethesda and activision deals were in the making before 2021 so to say they thought about shutting down xbox and getting out of the games market in 2021 is entirely false.

[@Maury_Productions]

Xbox 360 was named that way to compete against the PS3 branding. There's just way too many xbox "names" that can confuse the hell out of people. Like there's an Xbox One X|S and an Xbox Series X|S They learned nothing from the Wii U.

[@sacredsecrecy9620]

Yeah, it's like they consulted Elon Musk for his super creative ideas on brand names...

[@lifebleeds86]

The problem with Microsoft's strategy is that they don't have any good games to make me want to buy their subscription service.

[@DawidMaul78-by8yh]

In most European countries, Microsoft has withdrawn the Series X from stores. This console has been unavailable for purchase since October/November 2024. Spencer and his team are sabotaging the brand.

[@BaithNa]

They're not sabotaging the brand, its already dead and they're just trying to take it in a different direction, away from consoles and towards being a digital gaming library like Steam

[@cc0767]

the big electronic store in germany doesnt even have a Xbox section anymore in many places. And if they do its just third party stuff like headsets

[@BlazingLost]

Total bs, available everywhere

[@albertkowalski5629]

@@DawidMaul78-by8yh In my country, for a few months now, you can only buy the Series S. My friend wanted to buy the Series X, but the only option was to import the console from abroad for a much higher price. He ended up buying the PS5.

[@justynazawadzka5802]

In my country, for a few months now, you can only buy the Series S. My friend wanted to buy the Series X, but the only option was to import the console from abroad for a much higher price. He ended up buying the PS5.

[@diZrupt0r]

No reason to pay a subscription to rent games. Failure.

[@BaithNa]

If you want to just try a game without paying full price, it's a great system for that

[@stormnorman7215]

"Let me pay full price for this game Ill put 20 hours in and never touch again" Yeah no

[@sacredsecrecy9620]

@@stormnorman7215 The "one and done" mentality is completely on you, mate. I only play narrative SP games and gladly replay them as often as I like after a while. Because captivating stories, with engaging gameplay on top, ARE the very definition of replay value. Measuring it by the hours spend in a game, which mostly come down to mindless grind in a pointless OW, is rather dumb. Great movies you also re-watch again and again, because they are still fun. Entertainment media is not a pack of condoms, so stop treating it like one.

[@taeallpurple]

@stormnorman7215 such a self defeating mentality. if a majority shared this take you would’nt have anything to try.

[@prize9550]

​@@sacredsecrecy9620that's like, your opinion man

[@MrRedkid555]

Basically Microsoft is pulling a Sega.

[@ghostcat8244]

To be perfectly honest with you. I went back to playing on the old generation systems. Xbox 360,ps3,ps2 due to being more games I wanna play still and games to pick up I never have heard about especially in Japan region I wanna try. This new generation of gaming barely stretch the itch I wanted expect for a few games coming out I’ll get.. but this has been the weakest era of gaming I had seen.

[@liamwilson7549]

The age of the console war is over. Microsoft lost a long time ago to Sony and Nintendo.

[@mattmccaughen7371]

its a eco system war now and xbox is killing sony nice try

[@ChrisHöppner]

@@mattmccaughen7371 it's a war to see who can get more sheeple to pay a monthly sub for the privilege of not owning anything.

[@liamwilson7549]

@ which is why i use the switch lmao, no online sub, i buy all my games hard copy

[@krim7]

I am not sure Sony is even really competing any more. Nintendo & Steam are King right now.

[@liamwilson7549]

@ the reason i include sony is because all my friends play ff14 via playstation 4-5. no one i know plays on an xbox anymore

[@sairdontis386]

If only Xbox was a drip in the Microsoft bucket they might actually care. Bringing players back to the PC was always the plan. On PC Microsoft for most owns the dirt under your feet even Steam.

[@Rusty254]

Linux is getting mighty tempting these days, if MS doesn't start shaping up people are going to start moving.

[@kdog3908]

I dunno...All the spyware M$ is hoping to foist on people with Windows, Linux based environments are looking more attractive and PC users are, in general, more likely to take the time to learn the quirks of Linux based systems. Including SteamOS.

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

That's why I consider XBOX more dangerous than Sony, because Microsoft are so rich even when they fuck up they suffer no consequences whether it's 69 billion for activision, 20 billion for Bethesda or however much they've spent on their BlockBuster service and don't forget Mixer as well which they also fucked up. They put no effort into curating talent hence why so many fans hate what they've done to studio's like rare yet they buy up studio's, dump their talent and shill their IP's as part of a rental system.

[@iownall2222]

Steam OS says hello. They have confirmed they are doing a desktop os version, not just for handhelds. Plus pretty much every PC gamer HATES Microsoft but we use it bc one of the only OS that plays nice with steam. If steam puts out it's own OS Microsoft will lose its stake in PC gaming.

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

@@iownall2222 I hope to god that is the case. Microsoft need to lose, I really feel they betrayed their customers by putting no effort into their portfolio and going all in with the BlockBuster 2.0 strategy.

[@chiquita683]

Nintendo dropping the Switch 2 right as the video game industry collapses is pure cinema after what they've done to gamers

[@HarryPujols]

Not their first rodeo. Nintendo released the NES when the videogame industry was in the middle of a crash that went from 3 billion in 1983 to 100 million in 1985.

[@ld2048]

We need more corporations to enter the "find out" phase

[@DeadEyeSurvivor]

Xbox console sales dropped off significantly in 2022 and it hasn't recovered.

[@VintageNarwhal]

Who would have figured gamepass would cannibalize their other products…

[@Jack93885]

4:37 you mean like every game you "buy" on Steam?

[@SkyhawksAu]

Gamepass was good... Then it became the only focus. Now, it's awful.

[@pandoranbias1622]

Phil Spencer is a clown who has led Xbox to ruin every chance he's gotten.

[@BaithNa]

Nah, they just never stood a chance against Playstation and Nintendo because they had far better exclusive titles.

[@antearesgamer]

@@BaithNa they never stood a chance because PC exists not because Playstation and Nintendo were competitors. They had their niche and were kings during the 360 years but didn't see the times changing. He should've been doing 'steam' type of handhelds and milking the F out of the Halo franchise with GOOD releases but he wanted the quick&ez $$$ instead and now its come back to bite him. Sony is next. They can't compete by continuing to release exclusives and hardware at a loss.

[@aussiecossie]

I think there was another aspect that affected console sales that we’re missing here. There was a massive chip shortage that hampered supply during the launch of both Sony and Microsoft consoles. Consoles were sold in waves that were months apart. Scalpers had a field day. That would have had a significant impact on sales growth imo.

[@chair7060]

corporations when finite resources dont bring about infinite growth: 😱

[@blithen]

game pass has been a bad idea since the start. get customers in the door with a cheap price, and keep raising the price over time. Everyone giving microsoft money is actively participating in the erosion of the games industry.

[@TheRealCaptainLavender]

Truth!

[@mattmccaughen7371]

gamepass has been amazing but u guys hating on it just because xbox did it not sony makes u look childish and stupid

[@stormnorman7215]

@@mattmccaughen7371 truth

[@sacredsecrecy9620]

@@mattmccaughen7371 Clap louder, corpo shill, and add seal noises to that. That's exactly what you sound like.

[@mattmccaughen7371]

@ my son touch grass

[@TheHoboAuthor]

They tripped at the start of the xbox one era and then decided that actually racing was too hard and decided they didnt want to run anymore, Sega went this route because they had no other choice, watching microsoft give up like this is so damn heartbreaking

[@Cakebattered]

The first 3 years of the PS4 was shallow when it came to exclsuive titles. It was Xbox One that had all the games, then Phil Spencer took over and the Xbox games dried up, and never materialized since.

[@Aeklypsis]

They increased the cost of Game Pass to a prohibitive amount for the value of games they have. I wanted to play Darktide, why pay 14.99 when I can buy it and own it for 14 euros at a local store? They only saving grace would be the day ones and they all turned out to be shit, what with Microsoft horribly mismanaging their studios and teams. Also, if I'm going to be playing a game for a long enough time, maybe 2 or 3 months, why pay 30-45 euros to gamepass and not just pay 60 to buy and own the damn thing?

[@stormnorman7215]

Youre assuming you only play ONE game on gamepass

[@jakobkrakstrom4101]

​@@stormnorman7215 for the price of gamepass you could buy anywhere from 2-10 titles on steam a year. Some people would save money with gamepass and others wouldn't

[@jacksonhorrocks4281]

​@@stormnorman7215 He probably doesn't actually care about enough other games it has to the point that a subscription over time is more expensive

[@stormnorman7215]

@ Look if he plays one singular game then yeah, buy the game as gamepass is more expensive compared to one singular game. If you want to game without a singular title in mind. Gamepass is the best bet

[@Aeklypsis]

@ I usually play one game at a time, perhaps rarely will I play a multiplayer and a single player title at the same time. The same goes for all my friends, most people aren't streamers to play 10 games at the same time. Nor do we have the time to blow through games in a couple of days. What ends up happening is I play one or two games in a 2 to 3 month period, and it is very likely that some of the ones I want to play aren't even on gamepass. Thus, paying the subscription year round is useless for me and for specific periods, the cost isn't worth it as I won't be able to play the game when it ends.If it cost 10 euros a month and if I could get a discount for paying the entire year in advance, taking it down to 8, then it would be good value compared to the price of games in the market.

[@RK-iq9uh]

Xbox has essentially given up on the console market and is planning to win on good games... Too bad their games aren't good.

[@suburbhermit8792]

Oh don't you worry. Sony Playstation will sing the same tune soon enough if they keep following Microsoft Xbox's path.

[@JayTheCub-x27]

Sony fanboys are such a disgrace to the gaming industry. why do you guys only talk about Xbox and Xbox sucking? Go play your non-existent games no one wants to play on PlayStation then and enjoy yourself. while your company dies in obscurity and is no longer producing good enough products since they suck at making most things and their security infrastructure gets hacked or something by hackers ready to steal your data because Sony PlayStation stores everything in "PlainText".

[@sacredsecrecy9620]

Yeah, Xbox games suck. However, there's always exceptions to a rule. Indiana Jones is actually absolutely amazing, GOTY material for me. Love it to bits. I'm a sucker for treasure hunting adventure games with stealth elements like the TR reboot trilogy or the recent Uncharted games. Wish we had WAY more of those. But instead we get those goddamn soulslikes shoved in our face by the hundreds. Screw 'em, honestly. When will people finally have enough??

[@tgb6823]

@@suburbhermit8792 They're not. They actually charge money for their streaming services and their games. And shockingly people are actually paying for them.

[@tgb6823]

@@sacredsecrecy9620 You're confused as to what the "rule" is. The point isn't whether or not you think Indiana Jones is great, but how much money the game is actually making. It's not making money. Apparently the game's estimated sales is below 500k. The game was obviously designed to push GamePass and is likely where all of its sales are going, which is fine for MS because they own the IP, but the point here is you can't run a business for free and this video essentially demonstrates that by showing how little money the Xbox division is actually making. The fact Xbox is throwing in the towel on being a first party dev also confirms this.

[@DustinDustin00]

Gamepass: if you are endlessly replayable (Minecraft), you'll do okay. If you are a single story (Indiana Jones) you're toast. If you're something like Civilization, it might work. I'd guess 90% of games are NOT in the Minecraft category.

[@antearesgamer]

there's a ton of clones but they get no traction because kids want to play what their friends do...

[@giovannyyyy]

Xbox died 10 years ago, what we have now is just a joke

[@tanotive6182]

I don't think Game Pass will survive the next 5-10 years. It doesn't make sense financially for either Microsoft or game devs. It just seems like a financial black hole that will will never see any real return for devs and Microsoft.

[@dualie-dude-42]

I still think the worst deal is for the consumer, so let's hope you're right.

[@Ahibasabala]

My guesses as to why microsoft and sony console use have gone down is, 1: mobile phone gaming, 2: super expensive console games that don't live up to the hype, 3: Nintendo being the only console makers that have exclusives worth investing your time and money in. The natural result is more Nintendo use, more PC use for indie games. £80 - £100 AAA games that are mostly garbage, has been a huge factor in people losing interest, and the industry only has itself to blame

[@MonkeyBombdotcom]

What was the microsoft word and windows 10 news? 16:30

[@BaithNa]

This has been clear since the 360, Xbox has lost every generation of the console wars and that's why this is the last generation of Xboxes. After this they are going to be a digital library platform like Steam or PSN.

[@KonEl17]

@@BaithNa no shit I tend to see you everywhere, I hope you don't mind imm just say high wverytime I see you 😂

[@Scion141]

Even that won't help, unless they make good games and keep them on whatever their digital platform will be for about a year or so.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

This is what MS needs to do, in just three steps: 1) Fire about 80% of their leadership and 40% of their staff. 2) Make games for bros again. 3) Leverage Activision or whoever they can to make peripheral games like Just Dance, Sing Star, Guitar Hero, etc., for everyone else that has money to spend.

[@wackywarrior001]

Buying failing game studios with corrupt failing IPs isn’t going to save them. Unless they can turn those studios around , they are headed no where

[@PatrickMageez]

I have played the ME Trilogy several times now, and also when Legendary edition was released. I feel like a lot of released games these days are low quality so why do i need to subscribe to a service that offers average and low quality games when i can buy it once, own it and replay it without the worry of my bank being eaten away piece by piece by a dozen subscription services

[@toddwall5346]

@@PatrickMageez game pass is not for everyone if you work all time not Worth it. if have time maybe it works today's game are not great almost 20 years ago like Xbox 360 and PS3 that's Best time in gaming last gen like PS4 and Xbox one sorta down grade but overall good but not great mostly likely PS4 was great especially first party games. Now today playstation sucks and Xbox don't have answers I just play my games old games on PC it's old teach running Intel 8400 Rx580 1TB HDD and Xbox controller. Anyway games consoles are still priced pretty high maybe why people not buy them after 4 years and series S probably you can afford

[@TheRockemsockm]

Nintendo Switch is a portable and not a console. They combined their console and portable division after the disaster of the WII U. Consoles themselves are being replaced by Gaming PCS, even in Japan. This is leaving hand held the last real market for growth to compete with the Steam deck. We need Xbox and Sony both in a position to compete with each other. No one wants to see Sony's prices when they are the only game in town.

[@shApYT]

Want high performance? Get a pc. Want portable? Get a steam deck. I only see Valve winning.

[@indigoviolet_]

Exactly. Proton is a gift from GOD

[@Shirou8492]

@@indigoviolet_male

[@HarryPujols]

If devs released on Linux, it's game over for consoles.

[@RN1441]

@8:14 Microsoft goes through this song and dance every 5 years where they pretend to care about crossplay. What's happened the last three or four times they've trotted this story out is that their Xbox numbers recovered and they gave up on actually following through and anyone like me who was silly enough to buy a game on 'games for windows live' or something has just lost access to them.

[@MrAdamArce]

Xbox was fucked the moment they announced the series s. What's the point of buying a series x when everything made will have to be compatible to the S which means the power of the X is never fully used. The extra kicker to that is that series s has less power, in everything really, compared to the previous gen Xbox One X. Completely killed the want to be in the Xbox environment anymore

[@Manic_Panic]

Xbox as a brand has died since 2013. As Phil calls it "the worst generation to lose".

[@deathtrooper2048]

The series S is saving the generation from lazy devs

[@katmiller614]

How all they did was give people a cheaper option to play games. You people are unbelievable.

[@TheRealCaptainLavender]

🤡🤡🤡

[@AlDim000]

Nah, that's a hugely flawed argument. The vast majority of games this gen still targeted PS4 and Xbone for years. There's also the Switch which is barely more powerful than a 360 and did really well.

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

Playstation and Xbox use THE SAME AMD CPU-GPU. They are the same. EU should make them share operating system :-))

[@howshegoingeh7708]

Oh well. I'm switching to PC on the next generation of console. I'm on xbox, pay over 20$ a month and I still get ads shoved in my face when I boot up my xbox. I'm over it.

[@thetower8553]

Unless you'll be running Linux or any OS other than windows, you'll still be getting ads.

[@howshegoingeh7708]

@thetower8553 I'm ot talking about the ads on the homescreen. I'm talking about the ads that appear on big launches like starfield, Indiana Jones. The ones that appear before you even get to the homescreen and are forced to close out of.

[@sacredsecrecy9620]

Yeah, I'm also gonna switch to a PC - a handheld PC that is. I'm already quite happy with my Steam Deck. But it desperately needs more power to smoothly run current, or even future games, especially on a TV. And if there won't be any physical media anyway, what's the point of a console anymore?! I'm oldschool like that. Most games I own on my PS4 /Series X are on disc. If I'm making space for a console, I'm also making space for the gaming media for that console. Those two components just belong together. Plus I get an actual physical value for what I pay for. But the moment discs become irrelevant, so do the stationary consoles for me. I'll move completely to a compact handheld PC that will be sitting somewhere on a shelf or in a drawer and all digital purchases will be made on discounts only from then on. Because some 1's and 0's somewhere on a server just don't have the same value as a real product. Therefore everything above 50€ is a ripoff. But if those mofos actually decide to hike up those prices to 100€, they can get fked. I'll go full indie or just stick to my old games and won't participate in the next Gen gaming at all, a.k.a. I'll semi-quit. That greedy disgraceful 💩 show I don't want no part in.

[@jwsonier]

I dont see a reason to buy a ps5 when 'high performance games' release in their current state and struggle to please consumers without paying extra.

[@bloodyidit4506]

This proves to me that Blockbuster back in the day was intentionally killed off. Gamepass is basically the same thing and it cannibalized sales. I knew something was off.

[@Reaverbot7]

Not entirely. Netflix is what kind of killed Blockbuster, but that was more Blockbuster throwing itself on Netflix's sword. There were companies that wanted Blockbuster gone, but Blockbusters own management were ultimately the primary culprit. Netflix even offered a buyout, but Blockbuster didn't want them.

[@mytech6779]

MS is out on far thinner ice than most people can see, and they are reacting poorly like many desperate companies with a bunch of short term marketing gimmicks and accounting trickery that will cost them even more in damaged reputation. This isn't just the xbox division, but the whole company. The tactics and market conditions that made the company huge were part of a medium term strategy that was never going to be sustainable in the long term. MS may hang on for a long time but the glory days are far behind them and they will continue a slow slide.

[@reaktor55]

That "modern audience" they are targeting just isn't even close to being large enough for that 100 million subs spiel.

[@sitrilko]

Oh yay, another subscription! Exactly what I wanted!

[@Friskii-]

wtf a $350 chair is “reasonably priced” 😂

[@ferinzz]

When you're looking at good quality chairs that don't suck, yes 350 is a good price. Especially if it will last a decade instead of the usual 2-3 years a cheap chair lasts.

[@James-dc6ft]

Game pass is the worst business model for a Games company and not that bad for consumers. At least for now.

[@shifterzx]

Pretty sure Microsoft compensates said company pretty nicely to have it on Game Pass. So the company takes Microsofts money as if they sold a tonne of copies before anyone even plays. It's great for indie devs to get them exposure too in a market which is over saturated with games all vying for our attention. You talk like they get robbed of sales..... They get a tonne of money even if no one ever bought/played the game. Do you think Microsoft just grabs the game and puts it on Game Pass? And from personal experience, if I like a game enough, I buy it outright so I'm never beholden to a subscription.

[@De1usionsofGrandeur]

It's not a bad business model at all. Stadia's business model was horrible hence why they arnt around anymore

[@chiquita683]

Based gamer wants to pay more for their games to support living wages

[@picklesuhk2945]

i personally dont think its a good value proposition but I am also someone who buys a copy of a game and plays it for 2k hours. $15 a month for a game I can buy $30 and then play for years? the $15 isnt worth it after 2 months and 99% of the games on there I already owned from the last decade of free games on gold

[@youyou01101]

@@De1usionsofGrandeur its a bad business model, the only reason it still exists is because microsoft has infinite money, the film industry almost crashed during covid due to movies going straight to streaming, video games cost even more than movies to produce so putting them on a subscription will never make them profitable in the long run, and it promotes people to not buy new games, as we're seeing right now

[@studiovezelle]

There's a super interesting documentary called "Power On: The Story of Xbox" that covers a lot of the console's history. It covers how much difficulty there was in even getting the console off the ground. In hindsight, it's not the most surprising thing that Microsoft is pulling away from the games industry like this, given how much pushback there was to even create the Xbox in the first place.

[@wyterabitt2149]

It has nothing to do with that. They showed who they truly are, and always will be just back to biding their time before trying again in the future, with the Xbox One launch. Every sensible person has avoided them like a plague since. I never had a Sony console before that, went to Xbox from Dreamcast and loved it. The 360 was an insane success, going from a tiny sales amount with the Xbox to nearly outselling the PS3. They thought they had done enough to start the "extend" part of their usual tactic (embrace, extend with things that start to build a monopoly, then extinguish all competition) and they misjudged how close they were to being able to do it. Everyone has known what they would do if they ever started winning ever since. For all the (90% nonsense) complaints about Sony, Microsoft would have destroyed gaming as we know it had they ever fully succeeded.

[@Grayson950815]

@@studiovezelle it was made by Xbox…

[@taylemgames2652]

Funny considering Xbox supports mods so much better than Playstation and the Series X has better hardware.

[@SpectorCorp]

Why was this video reuploaded and edited?

[@Matt-jc2ml]

Unfortunately I think the next gen is the last gen for xbox. But it lasted 5 generations, which is a lot. Longer than sega.

[@slmille4]

This makes the future of VR really uncertain since all the VR headsets are platform-specific.

[@dualie-dude-42]

VR will never take off because everyone wants a piece of the extremely tiny pie.

[@ogun6464]

I think subscription services are bad for the industry. I hope gamepass fails hard, but I want Xbox to be able to survive the failure and rises to complete with Playstation again.

[@chilbiyito]

Too many out of touch corporate management

[@smartgoku9048]

i won't buy gamepass, and i see no point to an xbox if i already have a PC.

[@siegfried19888]

I did game pass for a year . But I just rather own the games so I stopped. I’m all about steam and pc

[@dnakatomiuk]

On Steam and PC you don't own your games if your locked out of your steam account or it gets banned deleted you lose access to those games. I'm PC mostly but have A PS2, PS3, PS5 Xbox 360 because I collect games for those systems I loved on disc then I own those games physically

[@gearfriedtheswmas]

@@dnakatomiuk Facts!

[@Tenz2346g]

You don’t own those games too.They won’t be playable when the license expires or they make it

[@declass9481]

Bro said own the games and brought up steam 😂

[@GalderaVG]

@Tenz2346g the difference is with steam is that you're still able to download it as long as the game is still in your library, but unfortunately yeah technically you don't own it (GoG makes it so you technically do own it, but not many good games are put on GoG)

[@YokubouTenshi]

4:37 Game Pass is doing so well is because Steam is the exact same thing, you don't own the game, you own the license. The only difference is curation and duration.

[@nox5555]

well renting games is a bit different to owning a license. also the gaming market will crash the moment Valve makes big moves removing stuff.

[@ShrimpyMaster]

okay, can we than finaly get windows on XSX please to make this brick usefull again???? Of course Highend Console growth is flat WITH NO FUCKING GAMES THAT ARE WORTH IT!

[@eppiox]

I don't like how Gamepass had 2 cancel subscription pages. I thought I cancelled it as I got a page like 'You've cancelled your subscription', but it was a confirmation page which I needed to click another accept button which i didn't see.

[@Pokemark17]

They have like 2 games a year on gamepass i actually want to play so why not just stright up buy them on steam

[@Khantia]

I'd have to admit, that I'm almost never interested in what video sponsors have to offer. This one did have me intrigued, but no link for Europe :(

[@jeczsz]

everyone knew it is unsustainable

[@De1usionsofGrandeur]

It is sustainable though it literally generates more money then it costs to run it

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

You mean that thing with the XBOX One showcase? I mean at this point that's basically what the brand has become a live service machine.

[@susanwojcicki5714]

i’m an adult now with 8 hour shifts. No way ima pay to play games on my free time instead of going to gym or doing actually fun stuff

[@1mannyman1]

1. Reasons to buy a PS5: Astro bot 2. Reasons to buy Xbox.... 3. Reasons to buy switch: Mario, Smash, DK, Zelda (10 other IP's) I think my future consoles will always be high power PC and whatever Nintendo is selling. Especially when I can just wait a year for the big PS exclusives

[@Grayson950815]

Too bad nobody bought Astrobot

[@mattmccaughen7371]

games pass play any where quick resume u lost my guy

[@mattmccaughen7371]

really astrobot lol what did sony do to yall

[@fenchellforelle]

@@Grayson950815 In their financial report late 2024, sony cited the game to have exceeded expectations with over 1.5 million sales in 2 months. For comparison, Elden Ring in its first three months sold around 1.3 million copies on Playstation, according to numbers released by FromSoftware. Its no god of war of course, but for being a new IP it sold very well, and you would have to try and argue that Elden Ring was a flop to uphold your statement.

[@1mannyman1]

@@mattmccaughen7371 astro bot looks fun I like platformers, also I can get game pass on PC right so don't really need Xbox?

[@kevburke]

Kinect was a dreadful idea, and they refused to listen. That was the start of the downfall for me.

[@rogerdiz3520]

Honestly, for the cost of 2 triple a games a year, you get access to a huge library of games. It's such a tasty deal on pc.