Marvel Rivals Is Dominating, And It Isn't Even Close.

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[@OldGoat-cw8he]

No we dogged you on Delta Force because you only criticize games that aren't they and Panderverse approved made by DEI/ESG hires.

[@EvilXero359]

@@BellularNews my and a few others high hopes have come true, that Marvel Rivals would outshine fail watch (overwatch)

[@bobshagit]

20 minutes of ignorance

[@arthurramirez5665]

@@BellularNews its not a competition, kid. Bad faith video.

[@thefudge545]

@@bobshagit how?

[@armoredbear184]

Dude overwatch couldn't even win against itself. The only thing that kept it going all this time was that it simply didnt have any real competition up till now.

[@mrshab]

Well there was concord. But marvel has too many comic book nerds who'll play anything that's Marvel.

[@manzana_2001]

@@mrshab not really true, there was a marvel avengers game that flopped a while back. IP isn't enough anymore.

[@jasonlastname129]

Dirty bomb was a competitor in the beginning and imo was a much better game. The balance and mobile monetization feel to the menus ruined it though.

[@kurokamireaper3761]

@@mrshab Concord? Even Paladins is better than that game and that's saying too much.

[@機械神教]

​@@mrshab really? Avenger game is a flop, the guardian of the galaxy game is a good game too but it still not attract many what you called "marvel comic nerd that will play anything marvel"

[@nidavelliir]

Blizzard has been losing long before Marvel Rivals existed to be fair

[@jofa6897]

Every blizz game i enjoyed has turned into them milking me at any chance possible

[@rabbit2686]

@@jofa6897 And it's not even a fun milking. Just leaves one feeling sad and empty inside.

[@Raytheman581]

@@jofa6897 I'm actualy mad I bought Diablo 4, probably should've waited.

[@skorpers]

No difference, with or without Rivals. Gamers are just bipolar and don't know what they want.

[@alsoniagaming]

Players were just waiting for an alternative.

[@anthonytierney5074]

Don't let blizzards failures distract you from the fact that Santa is a canon character in marvel so he very well could become a playable character in Rivals.

[@bladeofthekazoo4448]

second they add deadpool everyone and thing is cannon-

[@vanelmanth7266]

Satan or Santa ?

[@AnimeALX]

@bladeofthekazoo4448 good news! Deadpool is a leaked future hero.

[@EdTheCreator]

@bladeofthekazoo4448 i think Jeff proves that already

[@hitmonkey4726]

@@AnimeALX at this point every marvel character is a leaked future hero. We still don't know how many heroes they're gonna add every new season. Deadpool could take a while coz right now the fantastic 4 and Ultron seems more likely coz there's a datamine of their abilities in the game file.

[@KingMaler00]

Rivals is just the first REAL competition Overwatch has had in the genre and just shows how much more they could have done over the years but just didnt

[@EmoElmo007]

@KingMaler00 even something as simple as the replay viewer is lightyears ahead of what Blizzard has in OW, which mind you, will be a decade old come 2026.

[@JT-mt6ku]

Lets just pray they don't give in to the loud minority and implement role queues like Overwatch did after people whined, it was the beginning of the end for OW in making it toxic trash.

[@firstnamelastname9237]

@@JT-mt6kuI think role q for overwatch is just the better experience but I don’t think it’s as easy for rivals to make that work out

[@Squidaredumb]

People keep saying how overwatch is gonna die now. Actually, rival’s entrance into the market is the best scenario for overwatch. It will push them to keep making better content otherwise they’ll lose their player base.

[@sub0rLai]

@@Squidaredumb I think Blizzard would sooner just let Overwatch die and fade rather than divert actual money resources into making the game better. It's already a skeleton crew keeping Overwatch 2 alive.

[@TheLeafyo]

Playing in 3rd person really lets you appreciate the assets.

[@simonleviev6086]

@@TheLeafyo and appreciate the skins and cosmetics. 1. Person skins make no sense lol

[@santalim3181]

@TheLeafyo You mean the skins right?

[@fajaradi1223]

The "assets"

[@caio3702]

the ASSets

[@Rebirthhhhhh]

The ASSets

[@dangerbeans9639]

As an Overwatch player, Rivals is the best thing to happen to Overwatch. They're giving away 3 Legendary skins that were originally intended for the shop, and giving away 3 more legendary skins through twitch drops next week. I hope Rivals keeps up the pressure. Overwatch has treated us like crap for too long.

[@You-g8g6i]

Exactly notice the 6v6 enemy came out , rivals is going to make ow peak again I think , but they need 6v6 I think for it too happen

[@TheRealAb216]

going to take way more than skins to get me back to the game, I do not care about the fashion show.

[@You-g8g6i]

@ 6v6 would that do it ? It will for me

[@devxro]

Don't let the vanity of skins persuade you to keep playing Overwatch. There's a better hero shooter out now that's more balanced than Overwatch ever was, and it's only been out for a couple weeks. Until Blizzard changes OW's balancing again and hits the hard reset, the game is never going to come back.

[@yurifairy2969]

overwatch has to actually try now

[@Sbrick521]

Overwatch is the only game to make people wish for loot boxes to come back

[@simpson6700]

those lootboxes were probably the best lootboxes in all of gaming though. you got a ton of them, there were no keys that you had buy, the chances to get a legendary skin were pretty high and you got currency for duplicates.

[@innovativesky3096]

its the same with how dota is the only game people wish the battlepass back

[@jaykay365]

Wasn’t the loot boxes free, in most games loot boxes aren’t free. But some people want loot boxes to come back in cod

[@marcoricci3936]

@@jaykay365 you could buy loot boxes in overwatch, but you could also get a lot by playing the game, the ways i could name of the top of my head would be a. leveling up b. playing arcade and c. playing during events

[@AMabud-lv7hy]

Quake Champions was on the same vein too tbh

[@JusTheKing.]

Rivals really makes me realize how odd it is to buy skins in a first person shooter. I'm guilty of it too in Overwatch (didn't buy many though), but 3rd person shooters let you constantly see the skin purchased, which is FAR better.

[@Destructinator44]

Well I think weapon skins are fine for a FPS, even if most games have them for ridiculous prices

[@JusTheKing.]

@Destructinator44 Yeah, but those tend to lose their novelty for me very quickly. It's like "Ohh, re-skin for my weapon, ok cool, anyway!!" The character skins themselves are far more visually interesting and being able to see them constantly in Rivals unlike in Overwatch is a greater incentive for more people to purchase them.

[@ryanh.9603]

Totally get what you mean. Only ever bought skins for Reinhardt for that exact reason cause you can see him in third person a lot. But even then thats not 100% of the time so its really just not that worth it upon reflection

[@TalanTEM]

Another thing is that I like that for skins in rivals, the vfx changes for the moves, like venom's cyan clash skin, rocket's christmas skin, and jeff's winter skin. while overwatch vfx changes are locked behind mythic skins

[@ArthurMorgan123-r6y]

Why would you pay irl money for skins?

[@raibyo]

Marvel Rivals proved 2 groups of people wrong. People who says the audience is tired with Superheroes, and people who says Hero shooter genre is oversaturated,

[@MyNamesHunter75]

People are just tired of cash grabs, I don't think people care that much about anything beyond that it's just a lot of media especially recently is getting extremely dumbed down and the quality of said products is way less so it's refreshing when we get something that isn't but it's sadly no longer the norm

[@Jay-jayy-n9u]

I’m tired of cash grabs I’m tired of super heroes I’m tired of super hero shooters

[@jase276]

They still sing that mantra, even in this comments section. People will forever cope and gaslight.

[@Andmau2552]

Oversaturation is such a funny excuse for crap products, we were never tired of the things we love, just tired of being served shit.

[@Winasaurus]

@@Andmau2552 "Hmm, I like this cake" "HERES A CAKE I MADE IN 2 SECONDS (still raw)" "No thanks" "HERES A SHITTY CAKE BUT I SLAPPED A RECOGNISABLE BRAND ON IT" "No thanks" "HERES A CAKE BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY 500 BUCKS FOR IT" "No thanks" "Damn guys, the cake genre must just be so oversaturated that it's impossible for a new cake to do well."

[@GoalOrientedLifting]

Blizzard losing players to PoE2 and marvel Rivals is amazing. their Q4 and Q1 quarters will be bad. will have em seething

[@wz9573]

Shame they still won't listen to the remaining 2 interns screaming "we should focus on making our games good & rebuilding our brand" and just monetize the bejeezus out of their few remaining diehard fanboys instead ^^

[@JovencitaPera]

The only people that will lose will be the people that just want to make great games and are infinitely more wise than their management. Massive walking cnts like Bobby Kotick won't really take the hit.

[@akselmani]

They still make more money from Candy Crush than from D4 and Overwatch combined. So there will be some revenue and profit hit by POE2 and Rivals but it won't be as bad as people think.

[@vegitohaze2081]

@@JovencitaPera brother Bobby Kotick has been gone for a long time now, the problems will overwatch go so deep that even the small time devs are problems too. Do not fucking give them the benefit of pinning all responsibility on people like Bobby Kotick. TEAM 4 (OW dev team) is one of the worst dev teams of all time easily. They think they know better than their own playerbase. I legitimately wouldn’t hire a single person from the remaining team if I was head of my own studio or publisher.

[@nopputhihk848]

The thing is the people who left already did, the one stay are not gonna switch.

[@0taku912]

Blizzard: "At least we still got D4" PoE2: "Allow me to introduce myself"

[@raikaria3090]

PoE1: "We already killed you 10 yeats ago"

[@Relhio]

Even Last Epoch does ARPG 3 times better than D4...

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@RelhioD4 is a low bar for what an arpg can do

[@digitalshoes5520]

"d4 bad" is also the most popular meme in global chat in poe2, which is hilarious

[@undifinder6643]

D4 BAD and login to POE2 now brother!

[@austinbyrd1703]

It's crazy. We got two amazing, consumer friendly, non-pay-to-win, free to play multiplayer titles back to back. Christmas truly came early

[@XavierZazi]

What's the other one?

[@PenumbraDev]

If I were to guess… Strinova? Idk

[@Akira-cd2qs]

Iblove getting a game for free and have insane amounts of fun. And then if I have spent enough time playing the game and the game has earned my trust I pay. I used to play Overwatch back when the whole mess of scandals of Blizzard were around and I totally refused to give any money to Blizzard

[@AdrianNguyen3]

@@XavierZazi guessing poe2

[@AFSKID]

POE2 aint free yet

[@CallmeTrimtab]

Say it with me class. People aren't tired of (Insert thing here) they're tired of BAD (Insert thing here)

[@yellowbeard1]

I really thought people were just over hero shooters. Turns out they were all just waiting for a good one. Which does raise a question. I know Overwatch 2 sucks, but is Marvel Rivals so much better than every other competitor in this genre? My only interaction with hero shooters is Rule 34 so I have no idea.

[@deathminder9206]

Precisely. I say the same when people say Marvel fatigue in movies. People are not tired of Marvel movies series. See Gauradians III as proof, they are tried of bad Marvel movies and series. They started pushing them out like candy instead of baking them like a fine soufle.

[@kman9884]

@@yellowbeard1It is not. It’s just the new thing. OW2 doesn’t even suck, it’s the most polished hero shooter on the market. People just don’t like it because of MTX, the end of OWL, or because they’re bad.

[@user-if9pp4vg7g]

@@kman9884 Nah OW 2 sucks. Its literally just overwatch anyways. OW2 was a just a straight up scam.

[@NinjaRabbit29]

⁠​⁠@@yellowbeard1 Marvel Rivals is free to play, has lots of characters, and has been able to replicate the messy but fun novelty that was Overwatch’s launch, something that many other hero shooters haven’t been able to accomplish very well. It also has the advantage of being Marvel, a massive IP that can bring in tons of people who never played hero shooters before just to play Spider-Man. This game just has a lot going for it, but time will tell on whether it can continue to go toe to toe with OW.

[@VanAlexi]

The deciding battle between Overwatch and Marvel Rivals will be fought on the fields of Rule 34.

[@CobraAce04]

Squirrel Girl already dumpstered Overwatch's numbers. In some "communities" that prefer healers, Luna Snow has completely usurped Mercy

[@pizzario4986]

@@VanAlexi finally, a worthy opponent…our battle shall be legendary!

[@niersu]

Overwatch is over if rivals surpasses that, cause the OW porns better than the game.

[@bigsmoke167]

There isn't even any real detailed models yet and it's already in the thousands on r34

[@I_H_M_N]

no it won't, stop coping

[@racool911]

4:30 I honestly think this is cause MCU fatigue isn't real. Whenever the MCU drops a banger, ppl are there. Look at Gotg vol3 and recently Deadpool and Wolverine. People still love these characters and want stories with them, just good ones.

[@ajeoalvrex2353]

Lmao, MCU fatigue is very real, my dude, so much that you had to choose GotG 3 that is as separated as the rest of the MCU as it can get and DaW that isn't even part of it. Marvel has to press the restart button soon, their world can't hold itself anymore.

[@dreep_0]

@@ajeoalvrex2353 we'll to be fair those are the only Marve ip movies which were good compared to the messy slop mcu is churning out. Which proves the fact that people aren't fatigued from superhero stuff but bad superhero stuff.

[@CursedPR]

​@@ajeoalvrex2353You are proving his point. MCU fatigued isnt real, because post End Game movies like No Way Home, GotG3 and DesdpoolxWolverine were loved. Why? Because they were the ONLY good Marvel movies post End Game. Everything else has been from mediocre (Dr Strsnge 2, Eternals, Ant Man 3) to trash (everything else). So its not fatigue. Its lack of good writing. Good plot. Good films. They try to introduce the replacement of the originals, and it sucks. I mean, take a look at what is happening with Falcon's Captain América film. The writers changed and are horrible at it.

[@Fr4ctur3d95]

@@ajeoalvrex2353 Marvel fatigue doesn’t exist They’re just green lighting a plethora of bullshit stories with characters everyone loves The original stories hold up fine they’re just so obsessed with their virtue signaling they don’t care to write them good

[@chillwill7401]

Yeah mcu fatigue ain’t real they just dropped some pulled out the ass movies

[@michelwaylander5005]

Its such a no brainer, with non-expiring battlepasses.... "oh, ill be away for an extended time - i wont be able to do it, so i wont buy it" vs "oh, ill be gone for a while and cant get the battle pass when im back .... BUT... i can finish it then, so ill buy it now and play it later". Finally someone on battlepasses who actually uses his or her brain.

[@rompevuevitos222]

Still kinda crappy that they make you pay and then work for it. Instead of just giving you what you paid for up-front. Paying for the ABILITY to get unlocks is something only the modern state of gaming can allow.

[@samot6369]

@@rompevuevitos222 I mean I get what you saying but the battlepass cost $5, if you were to unlock every skin and cosmetic by their lonesome you are gonna expend $40 or so. I think you kinda can justify it in that case.

[@nathanhowell8973]

@@samot6369 only issue is that they create the prices for the skins, they cost $40 because thats what they price them at. they artificially create the price and then charge you to spend time to earn them i cant really agree that its justified in that sense. but i guess thats just the accepted business model

[@oldylad]

@@nathanhowell8973yes but unlike other battlepasses you don’t have to buy it and not unlock it in time. I’m basically done with the battlepass and I haven’t bought it, if I do buy it I just get it all because it’ll never expire. It’s also a free game, and this is acceptable monetization imo. You can earn the currency needed to buy skins, even if slowly, and the battlepass is cheap and fair. As modern games go, and especially modern free games, this is one of the best monetizations I’ve seen

[@Nuggohmed]

@@rompevuevitos222 personally i enjoy it because it gives you a sense of progression while you play, and at least for helldivers 2 you can get every battlepass for free so i dont really see an issue with it

[@Eramidas]

I really hope Marvel Rivals focuses on fun, not ultra balanced competitive for the 1% of players where they take away every fun ability and water down every character.

[@docc19]

Nah they absolutely need to focus on balance. Iron Fist is wildly OP af right now. He has a counter for EVERYTHING but very very few other characters are a direct counter to him, if any.

[@niersu]

Balances are needed, but yeah dont pull a deadlock Paradox and nerf her to the ground for less skilled players cause "Shed be op in high rank!!!!"

[@dnddude9652]

@@docc19 I’m still not having a problem with Iron Fist, even with his seasonal 15% damage boost Try sticking with your team more often

[@Bulkyninja]

@@docc19 hAHAHAHA mantis sleep and luna snow freeze go brrr, penny also whoops him. Like ive seen way more moon knights playing godly than iron fist

[@Yokai_Yuri]

@@docc19 He is not broken, but he is really strong. As someone said, stick to your team and he can't do jack as soon as you stun him or burst him down.

[@AshtonTheMelon]

@11:47 This defense is a bit narrow. Sunk cost fallacy is not an effective model for anyone without problematic tendencies. I played 1400 hours of OW1 and 2. Once they locked heroes behind a battle pass, changed the game for no reason, and continued to ride the tails of success from 2017, I was done. Marvel Rivals was a *return* to what I wanted. That's all they had to do.

[@thekiwiman]

@@AshtonTheMelon yeah but the sunk cost fallacy is probably the least intrusive in this game when compared to its competitors

[@pavelalexe9254]

They only locked heroes behind battle passes for 3 heroes iirc

[@AshtonTheMelon]

@pavelalexe9254 And that was enough for me. I somehow stuck around after the force switch to OW2. Somehow stayed after all stagnation over the years, taking advantage of its player base. At this time, Blizzard was very anti-consumer. They still are. They just aren't worth my time or business. And what are they doing now? Bragging about releasing OW 1 as a throwback. What a complete waste of some years.

[@adaa12345SixSevenEightNine]

Imagine being a Concord dev rn, being called Kirlkland Guardians of the Galaxy and having your game delisted within 2 weeks. Then Marvel themselves release a stylized, colourful, and saturated take on their characters in the same genre of game and pop off 💀

[@ricardorodriguez8497]

Nah fam this is a bad take because Kirkland is actually good shit. I mean you are completely right lol, but I can't have Kirkland slander though ya know? Slander the shit of out great value though - go ham.

[@AWIPINGAPE]

We can't pretend that Marvel IP isn't one of the strongest IPs out. Sure MR could have flopped but honestly it's like having a cheat code to money.

[@AWIPINGAPE]

There's too much legacy behind the marvel name

[@vegitohaze2081]

@@AWIPINGAPEand it has PROVEN to not be enough to carry a video game, look at Midnight Suns, look at the Guardians game. Both great games that totally flopped despite being good and despite holding Marvel names. Genuinely, it being Marvel isn’t whats making it stomp all over Overwatch. It’s JUST the fact that OW has gone to shit and this game is REALLY GOOD. Saying the marvel name is carrying it is PURE COPIUM.

[@addex1236]

​@AWIPINGAPE Marvle Vs Capcom Infinite didn't make money or The Avengers game or That really good Guardins of The Galxy game I don't think any of those did well and they came out when the MCU is was still doing good

[@GoalOrientedLifting]

Did Ybarra forget that Blizzard was known for copying systems and implement em into their own games? Its litterally what made their games good, in the past

[@somerandominternetdweller]

Yeah, considering Overwatch was essentially copied from Paladins.

[@Hadouken1232]

Everyone does it now look at Riot games every single one of there games is copied its pretty normal now

[@handsoaphandsoap]

Overwatch was pitched as a TF2 clone lol

[@SimuLord]

Blizzard used to be the Quentin Tarantino of game devs. Tarantino built his career on making mixtapes of filmic tropes and ideas, and Blizzard did the same with game mechanics.

[@Dasmesee]

OW copied TF2 Diablo copied Gauntlet WOW copied EQ and Warhammer Blizzard getting Karma 😅

[@kiranearitachi]

Destructible map makes this so much more playable without getting stomped in one chokepoint!!!

[@chief664]

What kills me about that tweet is that Widowmaker is clearly inspired by Blackwidow she has a poison spider mine and her goggles look like spider eyes.

[@tyrese.b6727]

To be fair….black widow came out way b4 widow was even thought off so to be honest black widows the original and widows the remake and to top it off you can’t even one tap😭how is she a rip off she runs and has a totally different ult…name one time you saw widow run

[@BvLee]

@@tyrese.b6727 who you responding to bro lmao you're agreeing with him

[@Sorrowdusk]

I still think it was dumb, the explanation for why she's blue/purple. Slowing her heart so low that she turns colors permanently from low oxygen but having her be highly active/acrobatic death gymnast.

[@MrDragonorp]

But the black widow hero design in rivals is clearly inspired by the widowmaker kit. She doesn't even have a stingers ability which black widow is famous for.

[@RANET912]

@@MrDragonorp yeah they stole some ow designs and made them whole lot better

[@Justaguyuguys]

They cracked the code. Great character design, very short respawn times, and 15 second match cues.

[@floppymcflop5427]

My slow ass as Groot walking out of spawn just to get hit by the worst scarlet witch ult I've ever seen exclusively killing only me lol

[@squeaks5677]

@@floppymcflop5427 so true lmao

[@PunishedSparrow]

It's so absurdly fun

[@colecutler6674]

@@Justaguyuguys I’m gonna have to disagree with character design, most tanks and supports aren’t fun at all

[@AofCastle]

@@Justaguyuguys 15s? When I play the longest queue I've had is 4s and I'm not exaggerating, most of the time the queues are between 0,5 and 2s long

[@TheDymed]

There are so many people playing its hard for me to leave matchmaking fast enough when I accidentally press "One more"

[@simple7708]

I can't imagine going back to Overwatch after Rivals, even for the 6v6 playtest. Rivals just feels so much better by a long shot

[@PeteD]

it's what happened to me. Playing rivals made me appreciate everything overwatch does right

[@ni9274]

It doesn't feel better when you cannot get stable 100fps

[@CaseyGumball]

@@ni9274 I get stable 120🤷‍♂️

[@Tabako-san]

​@@ni9274People will use AI upscaling and AI frame generation and tell you how good their frames are as if the game doesn't run like a dog if you don't want to play a game at 480p uscaled to 1444p

[@hardboiled2987]

@ni9274 runs flawlessly on my 7 year old pc after 30 mins of tweaks. Do research.

[@simpson6700]

my friends who still played overwatch switched over to marvel rivals, they haven't even launched overwatch since then.

[@prettieboiswag6659]

@@simpson6700 same here, been playing ow everday for months, ever since rivals dropped i havent touched overwatch ever since

[@RemedieX]

Same. I did try coming back to OW but after 30 mins I asked myself "how did I put up with this horrible balance, static metas, etc." Since there's no hero bans or anything like that, it's ALWAYS the SAME thing in high ranks outside of blue moon matches. Widow meta rn? You'll see her 100% of games outside specific maps in GM. I grew tired of that. Not just that, but they are genuinely LOST when it comes to balance. The latest patch notes had me laughing. The game is basically a skin simulator with an FPS attached. Everything about the game is carried by what OW1 laid out and they haven't done much at all since to even justify the existence of OW2 other than make A LOT of things significantly worse, lay off a lot of devs that made the game feel alive, lower cinematic budgets, give Kiriko and Mercy 100 skins (btw, did you know Kiriko got the most content this Avatar crossover? Crazy), give majority of mythics to women (finally it's 5 to 9 now due to Rein getting a mythic! ...), they keep focusing WAYYYY too hard on winrates, ults feel so UNIMPRESSIVE (unlike MR), etc. Especially the ULT thing, DPS ults are a joke in OW. And the 5v5, I never liked it, and MR proved to me once again that 6v6 is 10x better 😂

[@jeremyrennerfn]

i uninstalled overwatch a month ago bc the community is unbearable and i knew there was a light at the end of the tunnel. rivals has been a wonderful experience

[@heistingcrusader_ad3223]

Hope they just delete Overwatch eventually, gotta make room for future Rivals updates

[@ashe1069]

Been playing ow since launch, played and started from silver to (last played 3 weeks ago) masters 3 rn on dps. I dropped ow after 1 week of playing MR. Once you get the gist of the heroes and abilities, MR is so much more fun than seeing mauga

[@dogybiology1411]

3:26 skip scummy pretentious ad

[@granthefato340]

a mans gotta earn his bank

[@tor112233]

@@dogybiology1411 scummy and pretentious? its just an ad bro

[@vividdaydream1516]

Casual players have always vastly outnumbered hardcore sweats in any game. So when a game does _a really good job_ at being highly accessible and fun for casual players, it's naturally going to attract a bigger audience than any game that tries to sell a super-hardcore competitive experience. Overwatch USED to be that kind of casual-friendly game, but then it lost it's way soon after the Overwatch League forced it's way in.

[@drjamaymay405]

The problem is that casual gamers are flight risks, they will quickly game hop to the newest thing. Live service games need to turn game hoppers into long term players, which is fundamentally anti-casual.

[@Cheasle2]

@@drjamaymay405 if you keep the game fresh and fun, casual players will stay loyal. We just haven't seen a game do that in years. Like TF2 or League release actual new content.

[@drjamaymay405]

@@Cheasle2 casual players aren't loyal, that's the problem. You can't make a casual player loyal.

[@Yuh-ss]

@@drjamaymay405 I would say I am a casual player and I’ve cycled through five games this whole year, obviously I won’t play one game bc that will get boring but five games makes it easier to enjoy games. I’m pretty loyal but I won’t stay in one game I would cycle through my favourites (up to not playing it for 5 days)

[@rompevuevitos222]

@@drjamaymay405 You don't need loyal costumers when they come in troves. By the time one gets bored, they already played in like 20 matches, generating an experience for plenty of other players. And another 200 already came by.

[@cookies_and_mustard6414]

Are you serious, the battle passes don't go away!? OMG I wanted something like that forever in a game!! It always bugged me how devs would spend so much time on a ton of customizations that will disappear and never be seen again. Having multiple battle passes is great, a player could progress through them at their own pace without the pressure of it being a limited time thing!

[@docc19]

its also a shorter pass too. Ive already finished it and ive been playing daily since launch

[@pizzario4986]

@@docc19that’s just for the first season, next season will be bigger and will be 10 dollars. Still, keeping the bps are awesome

[@niersu]

No Battlepass Fomo? Marvel rivals is... peak?

[@samvimes9510]

Halo Infinite also does this, you can freely choose to activate whichever battle pass you want to progress. Too bad Infinite sucks.

[@N7sensei]

@@samvimes9510 Helldivers does this too.

[@PoliAstroN]

Rivals just proves that, the problem with Hero shooters, is not that they are Hero shooters, it’s that most of the companies that make them don’t actually know how to make a good product. Rivals does.

[@smoke5985]

china actually knows how to do capitalism LOL

[@michaparchas5394]

@@smoke5985 Yup. Especially bots pretending to be humans (yes there is evidence, it's not hard to find posts on reddit/steam discuss or yt)

[@gustavogoesgomes1863]

@@smoke5985 usa and europe knows too. problem is that they became complacent and arrogant. they brute forced the market with money and marketing so they would have no competition, so they could reach obscene profits with smaller investments. it's capitalism 101. problem is, world is globalized and asia catched up. tbh I wouldn't be surprised if next year we get talks about tariffs on media products like games. they already do it with products like electric cars and electronics, wouldn't be really different if you think about it. free market only when I'm winning, and they are starting to lose lol

[@AnimusVoxPopuli]

Successfully launching a f2p liver service game using the marvel IP doesn’t scream that they know what they are doing. Unless the game was a total mess it was going to be somewhat successful. Most PvP games are fun at launch because everybody is playing to have fun. The difficult part is maintaining engagement once the game gets solved. And I don’t think the design philosophy will enable them to make that pivot. The reluctance to nerf, the seasonal buffs, the team ups, and the lack of role queue are great for fun in theory, but in practice allow for some very abusable strategies that may ruin the game for casual players.

[@Anthyoine-qk8fj]

@PoliAstroN rivals is still in the honeymoon phase and has Marvel Cbaracters. Its a goor game but acting like It does play extremely similarly to OW is just willfull ignorance.

[@Redcloudsrocks]

the rocket science of ''Just make it good'' somehow still baffles these devs. we've had an ERA of flat stale bad UI, copypaste bad design and horrible decisions for years now, while if you go back to play old games, they have so much charm to them even before you press the start button, more and more modern games seem to start realising that presentation and vibe is also as important as the gameplay

[@LateNightHalo]

I hate to say it man but Marvel Rivals’ biggest aspects are how it mimics other market games. It’s UI and hud is like a weird hybrid of Overwatch, Apex, etc. If you like the game, go ahead but nothing Marvel Rivals is doing is somehow “a break from the norm” Its UI and upfront presentation looks like any other mobile game/free to play shooter on the market

[@arcadeportal32]

​@@LateNightHalo I can believe that, I think we got to the point even seeing someone making anything even slightly above norm copy/paste slop makes it GOTY at this point it has gotten so bad. I think a lot of it comes from a mixture of studios getting so large they can't communicate with each other clearly and make updates promptly, lack of talent because good talent was either fired for cheaper help/AI or don't want to work out of fear of lack of job security, and politics making its way into the very game itself and being written in horribly..

[@aggressivedriver9109]

​@SenkaZverahh, classic "If you think that's bad, then why don't you make it yourself?"

[@scyfrix]

@SenkaZver I don't have to be a helicopter pilot to tell when you're about to crash

[@beforecrust7859]

@SenkaZverI know right. It’s so easy to make it good. It only costs a lot of money (which they don’t have), talent (which is hard to come by), and time (which they probably have a day job anyway). But I’m sure these big companies do really care about their product and not fire their lore writers (which keeps people interested) or their artists (which they replace without thought) just to line their own pockets cause their managers are crying about not being able to buy their next sports car.

[@joshuagleeson4776]

As someone who rarely enjoys pvp, this is the first pvp game since pre-CCU For Honor and prime Battlefront 2 that I genuinely find fun to play.

[@Sidewinder84x]

Dr Strange portal is about 30 times better than symmetra portals. You can go in and out, you can see and shoot/heal through them, and of course make traps for enemy players. And they arent attached to the ground, so they are just infinitely more dynamic.

[@Relhio]

It's an actual dynamic portal, not a freaking TF2 Engineer teleporter...

[@TechnologicNick]

It also halves your FPS

[@samvimes9510]

@@Relhio it's a Splitgate portal, only way bigger.

[@jeremyrennerfn]

@@TechnologicNickhaven’t experienced that, get a better PC

[@glythkuakomo1820]

They arent supposed to be the same thing, strange portal has 15 times the cooldown. Strange portal is basically on par with an ultimate and arguably used like one. Sym TP doesnt have the cooldown of an ult and isnt supposed to be used like one.

[@Sonus2011]

One of the biggest reasons imo that it has been and has stayed successful is something you failed to mentioned...its not only f2p, but ALL the heroes are free also and will always be free in the future. This is not common for f2p games to do.

[@Hellbughunter]

@@Sonus2011 I would suggest with the always be free, would not be the first time that changes later.

[@mukamuka0]

Agreed, they did a lot of good things for free player. You can earn around 300 Units (currency for buying skin) per months and cheaper skin cost 600 while Unique skin is 1600-2200. So free player will get free skin every 2 months

[@Average_Arthur]

​@Hellbughunter I swear I heard that only the first presented heroes would be free, with the rest (any hero who'll be added by a future update) being paid

[@Sonus2011]

@@Average_Arthur what I'm reading still seems to say future heroes are free also. Their plan is to monetize cosmetics and battlepasses.

[@Redsword603]

If only some other F2P games followed how Marvel Rivals does it. *cough cough* Multiversus.

[@johnoliveri4064]

I’ve found myself opening Overwatch and then closing it because I know Rivals’ queue time will be 1/100th of Overwatch’s

[@Edmitsu]

Beautiful characters, I can grind the purple coins on bots, obscure character picks made with love that’s instantly noticed by long time fans of these characters. Game is incredibly fun, no roll queue so we can play our favorite characters with no punishment, reporting system that works and tells you the results of any action. It’s the most consumer friendly f2p game I’ve ever seen and I have had a negative bias towards them for all my life. It’s not lightning in a bottle. They are just treating every aspect of this game with respect and care. That used to be the norm for the industry.

[@booshandorkakow64]

Well said.

[@Redsword603]

Yeah, doing bots is also definitely the best and easiest way to do the challenges especially. Which definitely gets a plus from me since not everyone is good at PVP as well.

[@Winasaurus]

@@Redsword603 Huh, I was already half-interested in the game, learning you can do challenges on bots has sold me. I would play so many more 'live service' games if their grind didn't involve forced participation in ranked modes. Not only because it's way harder to do the challenges and becomes an exercise in frustration (shoutout halo infinite on launch), but also that it often means your online matches are a complete shambles because half your team is playing the objective and the other half are too busy trying to collateral or whatever their challenge is and you lose hard, but can't really blame them for just wanting to do their dailies. Even fortnite really suffered from this. I remember how as soon as a new week of challenges dropped, because they were the same for everyone, you could go to whatever the location was and just farm 20 free kills every time. And half your matches would end up really short because half the players are wandering around with a fishing rod and 20 medkits and no gun because they have a challenge to survive storm damage or something.

[@I_am_a_cat_]

Blizzard deserves it. They have no idea wtf theyre doing anymore. They recently tried to bring back 6v6 (prob to bring back players after rivals released) .... and they somehow made the game even worse. They just keep making the game worse and worse to play. Less and less fun, in the names of "balance."

[@ygs497]

When everyone asked for 6v6 for years they finally put it in when it’s way too late and no one cares anymore. 😂 They had more than enough chances to prove themselves to the community and make some strides in the right direction and when they finally decide to do so it’s when Marvel Rivals drops. I’m glad they’re getting the long awaited punishment they deserve.

[@brycenb2994]

This kind of comments are genuinely so stupid. You want 6v6 or not??

[@JoseHernandez-xv2bt]

@@brycenb2994 they want good 6v6, not a even worse experience for all the remaining players that wanted it to be good

[@bradams1854]

Actually what they did, was they put in 6v6 because everybody was begging for it, but they specifically put in the WORST version of 6v6 as a way to "own" their playerbase. They were like "yea you wanted 6v6 huh? Here it is! Bet you don't think OUR version of 5v5 is so bad now huh?". They knew dang well nobody wanted day 1 6v6, but that's what they put in because they were more interested in shitting on their own playerbases feedback than they are trying to make their game good, which tracks considering they haven't tried to make their game good a single time in the last 5 years.

[@JasperBlue118]

1. Trialing 6v6 has happened for a long time before rivals was even hyped. 2. Rivals feels like overwatch 1 which is why so many ow pros love the game. People are acting like marvel rivals is doing something new but they haven’t. It is copied homework. (Saying this having hit gm in both.) 3. Ow was ruined because of its move to 5v5 detracting from the gameplay that made it fun. (5v5 is way easier and feels more like death-match) 4. Marvel rivals is performing exactly how overwatch started even when ow was a payed game. Issues may arise when balance is more necessary and impactful once the general player base improves at the game. (This is what overwatch failed at e.g. not being able to properly address goats or double shield, the later being an easy fix.) Overwatch’s balance philosophy failed because they tried to make all hero’s equal when some took no skill in comparison to others. Who wants to play a harder hero for the same value as a brain dead one.

[@Since-80s]

He probably thinks Hulk is just green Winston, like, dude, what country are you living in that you missed the Avengers completely?

[@cellypvp]

Sven was right. IF THE GAME IS GOOD, IF you build with care and passion and don't worry about investors, your game will probably succeed

[@TheCrazyCapMaster]

As far as buying currency that has to be converted to another currency… this brings to mind Honkai Star Rail, which has an IDENTICAL setup- setting aside packs, direct currency purchases then have to be converted into Stellar Jades, which you can then use for gacha pulls. This leads me to think that, as a Chinese company like Hoyoverse, Netease may be doing this to avoid getting tripped up by some governmental regulation.

[@Telendil]

I think its more simple. There are things you can only buy with the currency you can buy for money like the battlepass. But the second currency is used to buy skins and you can earn it by playing. So its just to ensure people are still paying real money for some things and not just grinding everything. At least i think so.

[@JgHaverty]

Stacked currencies is a pretttty old mmo tactic thats been around for ages; genuinely decades now

[@low_ki_ded_2148]

I'm not sure what he means bc u can either earn units without paying through missions or u can pay real money for lattice to pay for skins or the battle pass and the prices he described are way more exaggerated with saying the skins r 35 dollars which just isn't true u can see that when he opens the store so alot of what he is saying is exaggerated or wrong

[@vilxxblack2472]

Seems like a loophole to get around some legal nonsense.

[@Gamer3427]

@@vilxxblack2472 It most likely is, since that's part of why most games let you buy currency instead of buying things directly. That, and it helps obfuscate the cost of stuff. The other reason is that while there may not be much available to buy with premium only currency at the moment, it opens the option to do so in the future.

[@vlogsgamesandpranks9007]

My favorite thing is how the battle pass doesnt expire, if you dont complete the last page, you can in season 2 for example

[@sarah2cold377]

Marvel Rivals is pretty much everything people wanted out of Overwatch 2 and even Overwatch 1. Add on the fact that it's filled with recognizable characters that thanks to the MCU most people are at least vaguely familiar with at least one.

[@michaparchas5394]

whatWhat exactly did people want in ow that Marvel has?

[@Arnyh0ld]

Not really. OW2 promised PVE content and fully customizable characters (both visuals and skill trees) with level up mechanics (aka talent trees)

[@lucasLSD]

​@@michaparchas5394Fun instead of balancing for esports

[@robotdeniro-csgo5986]

No its just not. I am nolifing marvel rivals atm and its literally just a worse overwatch. Which is fair, they had years to improve the formula. But were already seeing all the cracks and problems. If this game didnt have the extremely strong marvel IP it would just be a blip because the gameplay unfortunately is really clunky compared to overwatch.

[@oldylad]

@@robotdeniro-csgo5986I disagree, rivals is a better overwatch, at least compared to current 2 and what 1 was like at the end. Overwatch in its early days was peak, everyone dealt OP, which for a hero shooter is what you want, and that’s what rivals is like. I don’t even really get why you think it’s worse, most of the differences are direct improvements

[@aquagrunty101]

If you build a great game, people will come no matter the genre. We don't have hero shooter fatigue, we have LAZY/BORING hero shooter fatigue.

[@rompevuevitos222]

Not necessarily. You need good publicity and accessibility. Anything else is optional. Tetris isn't the best game of all time, but it is in the top 3 because it is easy to get into and anything can run it. Minecraft is not the best sandbox or survival game. But it is very easy to play when compared to something like Space Engineers, From the Depths or 7 Days to Die This is why the mobile market is somehow still alive. Everyone has a phone. Everyone can play your game. This game is simply less competitively demanding and is from a popular franchise. Vs OW that is focused on balance (requiring a bigger time investment as to get competitive enough to enjoy it) and has a world made from scratch.

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

i have hero shooter fatigue, theyve all been shit since overwatch and it feels like ive lobotomized myself after i finish a match of rivals

[@inplane9970]

Right. Hoping Rivals doesn't go through a Balance Roulette like OW did. As a Mercy and Symm player, the amount of changes done to my mains is an absolute slogfest and a turn-off. I always found playing Tank in OW dreadful, but it's so damn fun in Rivals to just dive in as Venom or blast flankers as Peni. Idk how they did it, but it's definitely working!

[@ohno465]

1:20 I love that the only dips we see in this chart are in the late night, when people go to sleep.

[@Milk_Dudd]

He said the funny 1:29

[@boe.jiden6808]

@@Milk_Dudd no please I haven't heard the name in months the voices had stopped.

[@DevouredBunny]

💀

[@Gawillamon]

I was wondering if that was an intentional reference or not

[@zzz43344]

Lol...

[@polar9692]

@@Gawillamonits not a reference, a fortnight (not fortnite) refers to the timespan of 2 weeks

[@warrxnt]

6:50 you could say that it’s to pull in Widowmaker players but when going off of the comics which is their clear inspiration, Black Widow has almost ALWAYS used a sniper. She’s an assassin and she was usually always a sniper, the MCU were the ones that really brought out the fact she uses batons and dropped the fact that she always was a sniper. If anything Widowmaker could be seen as a blatant ripoff of Black Widow

[@giorgaras1851]

Most (if not all) overwatch characters are a copy of something else.

[@econgator6153]

All art is derivative

[@Bluerock121]

@@warrxnt I really think this is a disingenuous argument. Black widow could’ve been given literally any weapon at all and it’d be comic accurate. The choice to make the character who players would call “Widow” a sniper was 100% intentional lol. Not that it’s a problem, but denying it is just silly

[@yurifairy2969]

@@Bluerock121 the influence is plain to see but it's not like she's a 1:1 copy either

[@bimg1915]

@@yurifairy2969 sthu with your 7 minute ago comment

[@Catalyst512]

I used to play overwatch every day. I will never play it again.

[@SpaceCowBoyRay]

Same

[@Surkk2960]

As a TF2 guy who actually played OW1, I hope for the best for this game, but I really hope they don't only listen to the comp players and make the same monetary mistakes OW1 did. Greed is a very slippery slope.

[@user-wm9pj2xj7z]

I will defend ow1 not ow2, ow1 had a great monetization method way better than any battle pass games. Ow1 had silly casual way to play in quick play and you could really play super try hard in comp, now ow2 is constantly sweaty shitty monetization and even worse balance than ow1 somehow. All blizzard had to do was constantly update ow1 with new content and they would still be a majority of hero shooter market. Now ow2 has haven false promises shitty monetization even worse balance somehow and a worse base game of 5v5 compared to 6v6. Blizzard didn’t shoot themselves in the foot with ow2 they literally killed themselves

[@longislandlegoboy]

I feel like there are a lot of criticisms you can say about Blizzard and their handling of OW1/2, but greed so clearly isn’t one of them I don’t understand why this narrative is so popular. OW1 was a paid game that had an extremely easy to access array of cosmetics such that the average player could get virtually all of them and certainly all of the ones they wanted within a relatively small amount of time. This worked for a while, but at some point everyone who wanted to play Overwatch had already bought Overwatch and nobody was buying lootboxes. These numbers aren’t published anywhere but it seems rather obvious given that loot boxes are earned so quickly and, within the few months of launch, were changed to not give duplicates. As far as I can see it, OW1 was going to lose full time support anyway. The business model doesn’t provide regular income as there is no incentive to spend money, and as such the game cannot indefinitely continue as a live service because all it does is lose money after the first few years. People talk about how it’s unfair that the payment method switched even though they paid for the original game, but $40 for 6-7 years of free skins is about as good as value as you’re going to get for something that was an inevitability. OW2’s main battle pass criticisms were that hero’s were locked behind it and that you couldn’t earn a new battle pass through completing one like in games like Fortnite. Both of these have been changed in the first like 2 seasons and have now been fixed for the vast majority of OW2s existence. All things considered the battle pass is fine. It’s strictly cosmetic and the skins are at least cheaper than Valorants lol. There are plenty of free skins given away via twitch drops or events that I really fail to see how this is an issue for the average player. At the end of the day, games have to be profitable and OW is not nearly the most predatory battle pass system out there. Maybe OW1 could’ve survived a few more years on its initial monetization system but sooner or later something was going to have to change, and OW2’s model is an objectively at decent enough way to deal with that lurking problem.

[@pixlated_man]

I love that they added some smaller MCU heroes. I never knew who Magik was until the game and if it weren’t for the animated Spiderman show, I never would’ve known who Cloak & Dagger, Squirrel Girl and Ironfist were

[@Tigerwolf102onYoutube]

Crazy how the hero shooter with actual super heroes is the only one doing this good.

[@rawrdino7046]

Marvel rivals still number 1 trending on psn, even during bo6 free weekend

[@JesiAsh]

Funniest thing are Blizzard devs and Overwatch shills going undercover to cry about this game at Steam Forums.

[@mukamuka0]

I think Marvels Rivals did monetization quite well. I didn't find it confuse because all conversion is 1 to 1. There is 3 types of currency with different uses. No gacha, no gamble.

[@erwerewolf]

Yes but three different types and it takes some reading to understand which is which and that they even convert. Not hard but also not intuitive. Additionally I would say it is a little predatory when you consider this and how much they are asking for. Idk maybe I’m a holdout but it just seems, a bit much, for so little.

[@Yokai_Yuri]

@@erwerewolf That is not what "predatory" means. Predatory microtransactions means the company is kinda forcing you to buy the cosmetic which has no visual value for a lot of money. On top of that it is a special edition that you can buy only 1 week and will never, ever see the light again. Some go even further to add in-game advantages with microtransactions, that is predatory. What has Marvel Rivals done? Just play, get a free Hela skin + two types of in-game currencies that you can save up to buy skins or the pass itself. Sure lil bro, SOOOO predatory, my wallet died today.

[@N7sensei]

No. Monetization is really bad. You just don't get it. It's true what you say about the currencies, it is not very confusing, that part is fine. But there is just not enough stuff to buy. It should have launched with way more skins and cosmetics. A lot of those 20 mil + players want to pour money into it, but can't find anything to buy, myself included.

[@drjamaymay405]

no gambling is nice, but it shouldn't be the standard. obfuscation by putting in game purchases behind currency conversion is scummy. Imo Fortnite still has a better system, but they have more money so it's not the fairest comparison.

[@sweetinvictus654]

​@@N7senseiI'm glad they put a lot of time into the game instead of cosmetics like you're suggesting. because now we have a good game that will live for a long time equaling MUCH more skins for everyone.

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

What’s pretty fascinating about Marvel rival’s blowing up is how so much of the “stars” of the game ROGHT isn’t just about “the usual” suspects like the avengers, Spider-man or even the Xmen but you have high engagement over the more B lister super heroes like Cloak and Dagger, Jeff the land shark and fucking SQUIRREL GIRL.

[@Sorrowdusk]

The internet is going NUTZ 🌰🌰 for Doreen. For the usual reasons. I don't believe the devs anticipated this though, like how the devs behind Resident Evil Village claim to not understand why Lady Dimitrescu was so popular. I think Marvel Rivals devs genuinely don't know. They probably expected people to want Psylocke to get skins instead, like Kiriko in OW2.

[@megamandrn001]

The secret to any good Marvel or DC project is having some characters that are lesser known, because at one point *every* character was a lesser known one that nobody cared about. Even the X-men.

[@kitothekito915]

@@megamandrn001even iron man

[@ajallen212]

So an important note, is that yes, lattice has one use, converting to units. HOWEVER, that means that because you can earn units for free, you can quite literally get a half off discount on a skin bundle....for just playing the game.

[@AwesomeRash]

I think one point that the quote misses is also that I -used to- have 15 Pharah skins. Then, Blizzard took them away and gave me some currency to repurchase some of them. Then, they also made the core principles of the game less enjoyable, and even decreased the quality of the base hero designs. I had sunk cost / investment with Overwatch some years ago. They wiped that slate clean in 2023. I haven't touched the game since, while still wanting a hero shooter. Rivals fit the niche perfectly.

[@turftrash3971]

@@AwesomeRash you kept all of your skins when they went to OW2.

[@AwesomeRash]

@turftrash3971 When I launched OW 2 all my skins, icons, sprays etc. were gone. I kept my coins and got some new currency I could use. Not sure if that was some temporary bug or not, because I haven't touched the game since.

[@turftrash3971]

@@AwesomeRash big oof. Yeah you're supposed to keep everything. I know i did, i also got 7k comp credits for no reason on top of that. Definitely shotty work by blizzard

[@SJ-vc6zn]

That was a bug that was patched, I believe they put out that if the issue was still going on to open up a ticket, It happened to me. I almost quit over it as I had about 1250 hours of skins and cosmetics built up. I had all of the cosmetics for several heroes. When they fixed it, I came back. Haven't launched since Rivals came out though.

[@oldylad]

@@turftrash3971that was not a bug, that was blizzard trying to pull a fast one and getting crazy backlash over it. Crazy how easily people are fooled

[@urazz7739]

Blizzard got a big double whammy this month with Marvel Rivals dominating Overwatch 2 and POE2 releasing in early access and hitting D4 hard.

[@The__Ninjaneer]

The only counterpoint I can think of for the multiple currencies has to do with platform holders and their purchase policies. For many games, the storefronts of the platforms they are on tend to have a policy that something purchased on one platform cannot be accessed on another. Games are the obvious example, but many times, skins and premium currency, if bought directly from Steam, PSN etc. cannot be accessed on the game on another platform through cross save. That's why you get things where, in order to have a skin follow you to other platforms, you don't buy the skin directly, but instead buy currency and THEN buy the skin. Some games are getting the platform holders to loosen up on this, but it's a slow go at it. Marvel Rivals is probably trying to set up the currency so that the currency purchased with money stays on the platform you bought it on, but then you can convert that currency into a form that CAN be taken everywhere. At least, that's what makes sense to me, if that's not how it works, well then, who knows.

[@immanuelaj]

The double currency is normal. Paid currency can be affected by things like credit card refunds. This allows the game to put your balance into negative and block you from playing until you buy enough to put it back into positive.

[@karlizen4990]

Hawkeye's animation is so damn good! it's like it looks like a real person's using a bow. Looks like every animation is designed in 144 fps

[@anngo5259]

It will be a nail in the coffin for Overwatch if PVE dops

[@trapfethen]

I didn't think this looked interesting, and then scarlet witch climbed out of the screen. Now I understand

[@uzuvibe5420]

It’s a great game man trust

[@N7sensei]

I rarely shill for games, but it really is nice. If you ever liked TF2 or Overwatch you should give this a try. The art is superb as well.

[@J-Vill]

MR = Fun, Passion from developers, No expiring bought Season passes, fair-ish cosmetic prices OW2 = Overley competitive, broken promises and no care for fans and outrageous cosmetic prices, FOMO

[@drjamaymay405]

MR epic skins cost $18 OW epic skins are $20 They are basically the same

[@lunadead]

@@drjamaymay405 Yet, MR epic skin isn't a recolored and the quality can be compared to legendary skins for OW with custom name card, spray and MVP animation tied to it. If anything this makes OW monetization seem much more unfair and predatory.

[@nicename29]

@@lunadead they already have the concepts made for them tho, ow gotta make their own concepts... also pretty sure we have highlight intros and play of the game thingies no?

[@drjamaymay405]

@@lunadead the OW epic's aren't recolors. And they do come in bundles, just like MR. These two games have basically the same monetization methods.

[@Hugabugahugabuga]

@@drjamaymay405 on Game is First Person an Another Third Person. By third Person you See your Skin fully when you Play

[@Whiteline011]

you really cant judge a games success this early into release. the game will very possibly die down very quickly

[@naudalyke]

I lowkey think it will. I hope it doesn't bc it's fun, but like with Overwatch, people will get tired of poor balancing and how awful ranked feels rn

[@juliushall8499]

Ayo that winter soldier play at 3:49 was damn good!

[@Sorrowdusk]

🧐👌 It was masterful.

[@szymonpilat601]

He wasted ult instead of shifting to safety but the pull was nice

[@SlyFlickz]

@@szymonpilat601 not really because it doesn't one shot

[@FOF275]

Marvel Rivals has avoided a lot of the mistakes Overwatch made, so I hope their collabs (if there will be any) better than OW. OW's collabs were just crappy skins that looked like cheap cosplays, and I hope Rivals actually adds playable crossover characters or much better skins if they do collabs

[@simple7708]

I don't think Rivals needs the kind of collabs Overwatch and Fortnite has. There are plenty of movies and comics they can get skins from

[@Relhio]

No more crossovers in games, thanks.

[@rawrdino7046]

Would kill for that scrap metal suit in the first iron man movie

[@JesusMoreno-yc1xf]

The only collab is the MCU movies everything else will probably be comic book skins or new skin that they make

[@Puangbro]

Imagine akuma from Street Fighters join in the game. 👹

[@rhidiandavies1991]

Overwatch is such a phenomenally mismanaged mess and it's a real shame. I mean they had a wholly original world and set of characters that people loved, myself included, and yet instead of leaning into that by producing an animated series or actually delivering on the promised PVE/story mode, they just kept pushing the same old formula and ever more greedy monetisation practices. Stupidly overpriced skins, locking new heroes behind a season pass, lazy cosmetics etc. It could have been a geniuniely massive IP that spawned movies, merch, and spin off games but instead it became an icon of everything wrong with today's game industry.

[@SliceLeedice]

Acti-Blizz: *What are you talking about? Overwatch 2 and Diablo 4 are doing great!* Grinding Gear & NetEase looking at numbers: *Oh yeah-yeah, sure-sure*

[@thekingofnothing8712]

ow2 Is actually doing great, thanks to the 6v6 test

[@ni9274]

So for overwatch to be doing well it should have the same player count as a marvel game that just released with enormous hype ? Overwatch has around 40k players daily just on steam, this is good numbers for a decade old game.

[@FSToxin74]

blizzard employees in the replies persuading you ow isnt dookie

[@roszaii]

@@ni9274 not to mention steam isnt even the main launcher for the game. People forget battlenet has an insane amount of its players

[@QueenofAgnus]

​@thekingofnothing8712 Damn, they finally added the Watch to Over... Only took them forever, and a little too late... Now they just gotta add the 2...

[@peetsmcgoo5869]

Damn, I wonder how Overwatch could lose it's unchallenged crown by doing 🧐 absolutely jack shit with the ip for 4 years; trying to push the most insanely inhumane competitive scene for an unwatchable game in esport; catering to .2% of the population by removing the option to pick many of the same character; blandifying balance; backtracking every promise used to justify the negligence and dare i say, hard reset the whole thing like it didn't happen except with less features? Marvel Rivals will end up in exactly the same place if they bother with the competitive scene

[@fellow7224]

Exactly. The competitive scene is cancer, and quite frankly, they should be ignored if Marvel Rivals wants to outlast Overwatch

[@Fr4ctur3d95]

@@fellow7224 the competitive scene is cancer for every game Even fighting games are suffering because high level players have shit standards

[@Augrills]

@@peetsmcgoo5869 Esports bubble has already burst. Doubt they’ll lean into competitive play that much

[@longislandlegoboy]

Meh, some of the changes you’re referring to are so obviously good editions to the game that I’m surprised they’re still brought up. You can’t pick the same characters as your teammates because it’s impossible to balance around and isn’t fun after the first few weeks. Role queue edited because playing with 5 DPS isn’t fun, as seen currently in Marvel Rival’s competitive. So on and so forth

[@dillydraws]

My favourite little detail is that every character has their own signature style. Jeff uses his paw prints, Spiderman uses his full legal name and ect.

[@reeven1721]

7:07 "A slick game that is an iteration rather than a clone." Wait a minute. This used to be the formula everyone praised OG Blizzard for! Did NetEase out-Blizzard Blizzard?

[@fang_xianfu]

6:25 "Rivals doesnt just copy, it iterates" - you mean like Blizzard used to do? Their best titles were highly polished iterations on longstanding games.

[@Droulix]

Keywords "used to do" doesn't seem to be the case anymore

[@rudequartz]

Yes, back when they made good games(probably not entirely true)

[@GgGTeMpLaR]

Deeprock Galactic also allows you to go back and play previous season's battlepasses whenever you want to unlock rewards.

[@XerrolAvengerII]

marvel has cool character designs and brand identity, and it has accessible low skill floor mechanics

[@MatrakenKEN]

14:47 I don't even think FOMO is immoral, as a consumer, a battlepass that does not expire makes the game more valuable with time.

[@AP-ur2yy]

Marvel rivals is the final nail in the coffin. Daily players of OW decrease every month now

[@Tyberte]

16:32 No we don't!

[@viarplex]

Agreed!!

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Concord defenders are on death row. The game was just bad. Hero shooters are still on demand!

[@giorgaras1851]

Is there even a single concord defender? I thought it was just the marketing team trying to save a ship in worse condition than titanic.

[@Centruzi]

A lot of Free to play games feel like money funnels first gameplay second. Gameplay in Rivals feels amazing and the game doesn’t limit you from characters behind a paywall. I still think skins shouldn’t be so much in shops but the options of 6 dollar skins and even the premium ones are still better than many other f2p games.

[@DwerbHD]

@@Centruzi you can't forget the free skins you can get from the battle pass even if you don't have it and the fact that you can get currency for free

[@slumber1602]

Rivals even allow you to purchase skins with in game currency

[@mjfeelsmjman3460]

5:59 just a correction black widow does not use a grappling hook in this game not complaining just saying the only thing in the character kits that are the same is a sniper rifle

[@BaronSterling]

13:50 Important note here, Lattice can _also_ be converted 1-to-1 with the Battlepass currency, meaning you can choose to spend it either on cosmetics directly or on boosting your progression through the Battlepass.

[@siren_atlantica]

Anyone who spends it on BP currency has a screw loose 😭

[@BaronSterling]

@siren_atlantica Ehhh. I think it's not unreasonable to at least spend some of the lattice you get from the battlepass itself if you _really_ want one of the skins and are too impatient to wait for more daily challenges to come in.

[@diegolechuga8782]

Something people doesn't talk about that much is the awesome art direction, instead of the horrendous character design of Concord

[@ryandubs7826]

I wasn't sick of the genre, I was sick of games. Overwatch got stale and stagnant - with balance changes being decided by Esports instead. Sure there were alternatives, but they largely copy the same formula. Marvel Rivals feels very fresh. So many characters and all of them feel varied, with many IMPROVING the mechanics and designs from Overwatch.

[@metalguitarman01]

My favorite thing is that hulk can grab flying characters out of the air and pummel them all the way to the ground. So, rewarding to see an iron man thinking he's all safe just for me to launch into the air and have him dead before we hit the ground lol.

[@disky01]

I'll never play a NetEase game but I sure am glad Blizzard is being shown how their game is supposed to be made. They need a dose of competition.

[@StarlightSoda]

MCU fatigue exist because the movies they've been dropping have been slop, the game being successful won't change that. I don't care much for the MCU, but as a person who enjoys spending a bit of my free time playing games, i will say, the game is pretty fun and refreshing. (Although cheaters are already in the game.) You can keep the game and the movies separate, apart from like costume collabs, but the game itself won't encourage me to watch their slop movies.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@StarlightSoda they literally put in ending screens that reference the movies

[@johnnymittle]

There is no fatigue. If movie is good like Guardians 3 or Deadpool and Wolverine, they show up.

[@dukeofgotham4311]

@johnnymittle Oh wow two good movies after the all the shitty movies and tv shows post endgame 🤣

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@dukeofgotham4311 Loki, Hawkeye, Shang Chi

[@MyNamesHunter75]

​@@dukeofgotham4311I mean they said there isn't a fatigue which is true people show up for good movies, it's just more in the last few years this covers all media it's been extremely dumbed down and the quality of it a lot worse because now it's just about profit where before yes profit was a thought but there was also more care for what was being made now it's just throw out whatever and people will buy it complain and come again

[@Joe-ti7qd]

Eh, rivals already getting played out though. Player counts dropped over half since launch. I dont enjoy it anymore.

[@angiegamez8600]

As a Diamond Overwatch player having played for years since OW1, I really hope Marvel Rivals makes good decisions with hero balance... I don't wanna go back

[@Liquid-TV]

How is this shocking at all? Major IP releases a game in an established game type.

[@MrBlitzpunk]

I went in fully expecting Netease to make another mediocre hero shooter clone that relies on Marvel's IP to get attention. But man, I'm not usually into hero shooters or competitive shooters in general. Heck im not even a Marvel fan, but MR definitely got me hooked

[@asraarradon4115]

The irony is palpable. Blizzard stole Warhammer ideas and called it Warcraft and it is their most popular IP.

[@TheForever206]

00:05 Concord didn't die. At best, it was a stillborn.

[@PhillipAmthor]

"Ive got skins for Phara, and im not going anywhere" No one thinks this way. You either have time for a new game or not, youre either invested in the idea or not, you either have the money or not. But no one thinks: "Oh no all the shiny skins from the other game make me wanna stay"

[@123Suffering456]

Thought that too. I have quite a few skins in OW and that was never, not once a consideration when I decided to uninstall the game. I was just not having fun anymore. Same thing when trying Rivals, I was just curious and never considered the fact that I have more skins for my heroes over on OW. It's a nice little bonus but not the reason I play.

[@Surkk2960]

Yeah, I used to play OW1, I had a lot of good skins for characters I liked, but the instant OW2 appeared and none of my friends wanted in, I went back to TF2 and never looked back. I was kind of sad when OW1 died, but I know leaving was the best decision. Skins shouldn't be an anchor for any game.

[@Cycerio]

Unfortunately many people do think like that. Its the sunk-cost fallacy and this line of reasoning makes it difficult for people to abandon anything they’ve invested heavily into

[@Mindcry7181]

That not exactly what he is talking about, he came about it the wrong way but what I believe he means is when you spend so much money on a game and you don't want to leave it after dropping so much dosh on it. I've experience this with game like DFO and I think like that for OW for awhile I had so many skins I didn't want to quit some of them I paid for but eventually both games got boring for me and I was like fuck the money I spent I'm done.

[@TheVictor126]

I used to play OW1 and grinded the fuck out of it to get event skins for my favorite heroes in the first year or so I stopped playing it like half a year later, and only touched it twice since then, once in 2021 and once after OW2 launch at best I think "oh, if I want to play the game at least I have cool skins" and not "I will play because I have cool skins"

[@yaopps4416]

Can we acknowledge that the skins having lore tabs is so dope the amount of people who will develop attachment to skins because of the stories they came from or just get into comics for that reason dope

[@RamzaBehoulve]

So far from Steam charts, Rivals might have stolen about 20% player base from Overwatch. Doesn't seem that big of a deal on a new game release. We'll see in 2-3 months.

[@crazyjames1233]

Dont let facts get in the way of idiotic clickbait hype. Rivals may be a good game and it may take some people away from Overwatch but literally every time a new hero shooter comes out its the same song and dance "THIS LATEST _______ DESTROYS OVERWATCH ITS FINISHED FOREVER CLICK ON THIS THUMBNAIL!!" Just like Battleborn, Paladins, Apex Legends, Quake Champions, Deadlock, and now Marvels Rivals.

[@wormsquirm2707]

⁠​⁠@@crazyjames1233deadlock is not a hero shooter in the same way as ow, apex isn’t at all. Rivals is clearly disrupting the hero shooter market given people thought the genre was dead, dying or oversaturated after concord flopped on release. Rivals has a lot of different and new content and features that overwatch does not. It has also had a consistent player count. Overwatch has been dead (low player count) since their failure to add promised content to ow2 (which isn’t even a second game, just an update) and insane monetisation (60$ mythic skins, item shop, devaluation of old currency) they add like one character every blue moon with no skins (venture, juno, hazard) and force new players to unlock heros behind a playtime wall. Their queue time can be hours long at non peak times for me while rivals is only minutes. The features of overwatch are also underwhelming compared to mr. Rivals has many cool abilities, and the hero power up system. The game is smooth on release (unlike overwatch was) and has enticing gameplay while overwatch has been slowly getting stale since the release of ow2. To conclude yes, rivals has disrupted overwatch and we will see the result of it soon

[@turidrowned]

@@wormsquirm2707I aint reading all that bud, that’s just a lot of cope.

[@wormsquirm2707]

@@turidrowned "not going to read it but ive decided that its cope" ok bud, that's just cope

[@midriffzero]

@@wormsquirm2707 I read it and it was filled with cope (with a we bit of anger mix in). But dude was right we have heard and seen this all before.

[@ShaunLevett]

It’s more that the Marvel IP is selling this. If this was a new hero shooter with completely new world and characters it would probably be DOA.

[@zhongliimpact6220]

lol the cope is real but your scamwatch will keep getting L anyway

[@JenNittahl]

The thing with "MCU-fatigue" is, that it's not directly because if the MCU itself, but because of Disney and their horrible ideologically driven decisions with the Marvel IP. If done right, people will like it and Marvel Rivals' success shows that. People are not tired of the MCU directly, but Disney's bad decisions.

[@PequenoFrozza]

You forgot to mention the crazy amount of those blue tokes you can get for free. I myself got 2200 blue coins 100% free and I have not played the beta

[@Dirk_Strider]

How do you get the blue tokens?

[@PequenoFrozza]

@Dirk_Strider do achievements and see the rewards for them, you can also invite a friend to play and if they get to lvl 10 you 300 blue coins, reply to the surveys and buy the free ones in the battlepass

[@Fishpasta4]

Lets be real the only people still playing Overwatch 2 are masochists who get off on Blizzard's abuse.