Bellwright (Part 1) Tier 3 Issues

[@c0ur5ge4]

Tier 3 has raised platforms is stylish but not effective in general. I just finished research t3 town hall. I also have a few suggestions im holding onto rn in my list. 1. We should be able to set up which food is allowed for workers to eat or prioritise eating. They almost always eat the best food in storage and theyre hard to make. They dont need those food buffs anyway unless i need them for combat. 2. Workers with a shield or bow when they go hunting will drop their shield/bow and leave it there without equipping them back after working. Or farming with hoe or shovel for mud. One day u just see them without their shields. 3. Sometimes (even if its not full yet) workers will drop items in a storage that are already filtered out. Theres not a single day that i dont manually reorganize them. Its a mess. 4. There needs to be a toggle to turn on/off delivery on workstations. I was prepping my materials for mutiple research and the workers kept on putting them back to storage. Same with workbenches. 5. Assigning a worker to guard will stop patrolling when its hungry and will need to grab food. That makes sense. The problem is, after eating, the guard returns to back to being a worker. 6. Btw, same with setting up foods to allow workers to eat first. We should also be able to set up hunters camp where they must only use simple arrows. One time i saw 1 camp had bronze arrows in there. I was flabbergasted when i found out. I use those for the brigands and theyre using it to hunt birds smh. 7. Yes, same issue with the tools/weapon repairs. Heres what i think, we should be able to set up workstations to start repairing tools/weapons when they reach a certain durability (a slider). For example, we can set it so when a tool/weapon reaches 20% durability or lower, the workers will collect those tools/weapons for repair. 8. The speed debuff of armor should be less punishing, its too real for a very grindy game with no mounts. OR remove that debuff and instead have weight encumberance mechanic. Idk just throwing it out there, but the speed debuff is real and ive seen players managing their base naked because they run faster without it. Something is just not right. 9. We should be able to rename our main base and outpost anytime we want. The way to do it rn is to delete the settlement entirely and make a new one and then reassigning buildings again. 10. Cooking with wood. This is serious for me. Yes wood is somewhat infinite but please workers, dont put 4 woods just to cook 1 food ur wasting so much wood. Just have 1/1 wood for every cooking facility and not 1/4 so workers dont waste 3 more woods everytime they cook. Same with peats and furnace. 11. We all had this issue i bet, smoked foods. Workers smoked meats and then leave them there for too long it produced burnt meats. Worse part is they cook meats and then they go to sleep. I have 3 dedicated cooks in my base and they still couldnt do their job right. 12. Foraging same issue. I had to close those dryer racks in foraging hut because workers WILL ALWAYS, always put berries and mushrooms to dry when i need those for berry jams and mushroom stews. 13. Can we also have filter settings for weapon racks. I sometimes want this rack for farming tools and the other for carpentry and weapons. Right now its whatever and wherever it is im sure its somewhere. 14. I think everyone wants this to happen. We need trees to grow back. At least those tree stumps we see should grow back into trees for workers to cut it again. Its a shame to see this once lush forest is now an empty land. 15. Guard posts are kinda useless. At first i thought a guard will stand post there once i build it but nope. It looks more like a decoration than a basic watchtower. 16. Lastly the progression, sometimes theres this sense of progressing in the game, "not a smooth ride". Idk, maybe its too grindy or something. Surely that village hall T2 took a lot of time building.

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

those are some good suggestions, i agree with pretty much everything you said :) the food priority would probably make the biggest difference, if we could tell not just all the workers but specific workers what to eat, like XP+ food for hunters so they level archery faster, and not to eat all the combat food when working in the village!

[@justaguy_eatingtacos]

My opinion comes five months after you posted so I w9uldnt be surprised if there's been a lot of updates and changes but it sounds like a lot of your complaints come from you trying to personally build/craft everything yourself. The game wasn't intended to be played that way in my opinion. I was struggling with the grind until I came to the realization that villager management is 1000000000000 times more efficient. I can't even remember the last time/thing I crafted/built/researched anything. Probably was a stockpile though because it's quick and easy for quick outpost building. I'm fully t2 now. I'll he seeing soon how the t3 stuff is.

[@markprobert2372]

Mostly the fence will stop the bandits and others from using the bridge. But I have found sound can walk under deep water and some can walk through fences, Am sure it must be a bug but is amusing and frustrating as well. Thank you for this episode and keep up the fine work you do etc

[@brandx7711]

I put this to the test and confirm they stand there staring at the river for a while before taking the plunge...at best it will slow them down, but also might be easier to just not do the fence bc you will carried away with other task and look at map and they are almost to farnsworth

[@c0ur5ge4]

I saw it happen. I also fenced that bridge to farnworth coz its so close from their base. 1 brigand glitched into the riverbed and started walking to the other side. Ive seen enemies glitch out of walls and fences a lot of times. It happens i just take it and deal with it.

[@FengXinFengWanren]

yes bandit can be a jesus they can walk thru deep water.. i cant believe that either but its happening.

[@cy3rc]

Right click to equip / eat food, and left click to unequip is faster than dragging. :) Yeah getting them to repair tools sucks, so I have dedicated NPCs for each job (No more burned food with a dedicated cook haha). Makes things easier. So I have dedicated fighters only, workers only, specialists only, archers only, guards only, etc. I use beggars just for delivery haha make them work instead of begging for coins in towns LOL Even tho they have the slacker trait.. it gets the job done, so my other NPCs can do their jobs. Also, keeping the workers NPC stations on Top Off keeps things in inventory, even if sometimes they are idle due to no supplies, then I reorganize to get them what they are lacking. This game is too fun!!! Cant wait to see what comes.. Easily going to put 1000+ hrs into it over the next few years. I dislike bushes/tree stubs not being removed also... haha I have to fence off those areas for aesthetics. I hope they add like mules, or horses to move around your army, and goods, and yourself. Good video I watched in entirety, and gave a like.

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

ah thanks i figured their was a hotkey for the food, kept forgetting to try and figure that out lol. i'll try to specialize my workers more, i did dedicated hunters and farmers for right now. i guess some cooks would be a good idea. does the delivery option just move items from storage to storage and workbenches? i assumed that had to do with outpost deliveries. i might try to buy some beggars depending on the cost, seems like everyone is 5k+ now so i try to buy only people with 4+ strength so they can at least hold a weapon and shield. Thanks man ill try to keep making videos!

[@cy3rc]

@@TheIslandFarmer321 Yes the delivery only option makes them move items to the right location. Storage, and even bags, or resources left on the ground. I just usually have a stockpile next to a fast travel at my base. Turn it off, so no NPC uses it, and turn off all receivables for the stockpile. So when I dump anything and everything in it, eventually my beggars will move it to the correct location in my base. I also do this with resources too near my base.. leaving logs or dropped items on the ground, and they eventually get to that and move it to the correct spots, also they will even remove food if they have time from burning if my cooks are occupied. Outpost deliveries are automatic at midnight. and you only can receive 20 items per person at your base, so if you wanted 100 of something from an outpost and requested a delivery, but you only have 4 people at you location, you would only be delivered 80 of that resource. Go to different towns, usually if you have not more than 3 from a town they are cheaper to recruit at that town. Once you hit 3 from the same time you get a De-buff on your NPCs if you check that. Its a lot of min maxing, but if you have the Renown it gets easier.

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

@@cy3rc awesome i set all my vills to specific jobs now, they already seem to be doing a better job. and yeah i was planning on putting a storage right next to my teleport post and turning everything off for it! i was wondering how the midnight deliveries worked, seemed like i got random amounts but i guess that makes sense now. I have 42 vills now, so ive over done the 3 per town debuff quite a bit lol. Do you know anything about expelling old npcs for renown? some of my original npcs are work almost 6k now and their skills suck. i was thinking about replacing them for npcs with strenght so they could at least hold a shield...

[@cy3rc]

@@TheIslandFarmer321 When you expel an NPC and when you teardown travel post you get the renown back. You can check on the NPC screen where you can make them Worker, Companion, or Guard its like in the middle right section of that screen I believe how much renown you will get back. Don't worry you can always hire them again in the town you found them if you want them back. But get rid the ones you don't want, and its nice to get back renown for letting them go.

[@FengXinFengWanren]

i assigned beggars for guarding my outposts, i put 6 of them on each outposts, im never concerned when raided by a lv 9 tier bandits but when its a lv 10+ ill personally deal with it. surprisingly you can easily make fish stew + smoked fish + dried mushroom & also its a very great combination food for beggar to increase their productivity not only theyre easy to make its also easy to obtain & cheap.

[@whateverdude_]

if anything food is currently too easy to manage, because when stacked in a container, only 1 item spoils at a time. If you have decent food production, to keep your population on 3 buffs, the food lost to spoilage is insignificant and if anything a boon to your farming with fertilizer

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

What are you making for food?

[@whateverdude_]

@@TheIslandFarmer321 fine stews, regular stews and smoked mushrooms, meat for the stews I get from trappers, when stew production is lagging I supplement with berry jam, mushroom stew and roasted mushrooms

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

@@whateverdude_ cool that's pretty much what I was doing just moving bases, haven't set up enough food production yet

[@VersionBest]

This game is so grindy it took me 120+ hours to finally be able to get to tier 3. I also understand most people's frustration of being stuck on tier 1 for a prolong period of time because it's difficult liberating the first village when you start out with nothing and you get stomped by the Brigands because you have tier 1 armors and weapons.

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

yeah tier 2 was a leap forward, that village hall took forever!

[@187g]

i think building tier 3 is impossible! i kinda want to move to a more southern location but at the same time I don't want to spend dayssss trying to set up for it. my tier 2 location will not be able to accomodate tier 3 buildings and at the same time I don't want to be at the north as it will be impossible to defend reclamation and do quests. my question is. do I really need to have tier 3 buildings in order to play the quests? for example, can I do the prison quest with max tier 2 armor and weapons ? (I have 23 fighters). if yes, then I will not bother building tier 3. if no, then what is the best option to do it?

[@187g]

the whole thing seems impossible whilst defending 3 librated towns. if I have to build a new tier 3 settlement I think I will need to give up the librated towns and focus on just building without having to worry about fighting or doing quests. i am also thinking of disabling all of my other outposts after accumulating resources to prevent raids or just disable raids for a while.

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

i feel like the tier 3 collection builds are garbage as well as the bakery and windmill. so if you maybe just prioritize, there's 3 buildings for weapons and armor. one makes the bow and shield, one makes steel weapons, and one makes steel armor. the steel armor is crazy expensive and the weapons seem to make the most difference but need 5-6 strenght for your vills to use. the shield is also 6 strenght. the bow is 5 agility and theres swords/daggers for 5-6 agility also. those are your most important buildings ( youll need the charcoal burner and steel furnace which construct much faster than the other buildings.) I wont lie when i built my tier 3 town it was a nightmare to transition, i set up a few tier 1 things to start but it took a long time to complete it, maybe 50-75 days and you need a lot of food outposts to support a lot of villagers also iron outposts for steel. the armor also takes a lot of bronze so tin and copper outposts. if you have enough villagers in good tier 2 armor/weapons with great HP food you can probably beat the game. the hp food and combat food makes the biggest difference

[@187g]

@@TheIslandFarmer321 makes sense, i only have few companions with strength over 5 and agility over 5. therefore, tier 3 building wont offer much. i might just build the town hall in my current location to keep it quick and build the few other buildings that will benefit me and my few other companions, and then rely on numbers and max tier 2 stuff to beat the game. TBH i dont mind grinding a bit but I am not into constantly grinding and farming brigands and bandits for renowns, books and money. i think I will give up haerndean, padstow and Bradford for now as they are pretty much useless xd, then librate a town that offers a labourer and an innkeeper then give it up as well so that I don't have to worry about the need to constantly move my troops across the map. You mentioned that you need the trades but I imagine you are grinding tier 3 stuff. i don't think I will need the trades for tier 2. I have good iron, bronze, and tin production and storage. Will just do the quests and beat the game.

[@187g]

there is one other option to avoid headaches while setting up new location. Disable raids, give up librated towns, and then move 2-3 workers to new location with equipment, set up a stockpile for food and material and then rely on deliveries from your main settlement. check what each building needs, set up delivery, and work on getting resources from your main base. then once your tier 3 is set, you can move your army to it and start working on the remaining quests that involve the lower half of the map. a bit grindy but chill

[@FengXinFengWanren]

keep some of tier 2 buildings around & disassemble the rest of tier 1 & tier 2 buildings then replace them with tier 3 buildings but never change location of your settlements. its tedious ofcourse but its all worth it all the way to the end game.

[@FengXinFengWanren]

marching armies are quite easy, just build barn to where your armies destination in between where they march from, make it 2 barn, stock the barn with high quality food like fine meat stew & fine meat roast with smoked fish so each 1/3 way your soldiers will get fed or if theyre still full you can stock them with plenty of foods stocking up on each barn you pass thru. but 1st youve gotta clear easy bandit camp to be able to build those barns & make thoese barns a new outpost every single one of them plus dont assign people there bc bandits will not raid them or if they do just put up a fence that circling the barn make it impossible to be looted, easy :)

[@brankomrkalj3309]

Do you know how you can liberate prion, ore town + patrol solo ? - you make storage next to town, you put 100 arrows in storage. you start your conquer , jump on storage, stay in middle and shoot from arrows soldiers. i did that solo to all map :D

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

sounds like some good agility and archery xp also!

[@FengXinFengWanren]

very efficient but not dramatic like i wanted this game to be lmao

[@CaptainDreddz]

Have you considered using Mods? I got a few off Nexus and its made the game a let less frustrating 😊

[@brandx7711]

what mods and how do you install them lol I need to know

[@brandx7711]

Do your foragers/harvesters ever get killed by roaming bandits by the swamp? I want to take out the central camp and leave the others to farm...straps are too costly in bronze to keep making, but I need a camp on that side of the bridge somewhere... also my villagers get stuck on the T3 workshop, they don't know how to use the ramps lol, also your smelter priority is set to off, so they won't be doing anything on it like that. I'm having an issue with them not doing anything on mine also, but I've made it priority one, and even made someone smelting as their only job and still not working

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

when the villagers are in 'worker' mode the AI doesn't attack them. when they are in 'companion' mode they will get attacked by everything. i took out the closest camp because the AI was pathing too close, im leaving the others to farm also. taking out the bandit camps changes the routes the bandits patrol. yeah my vills are getting stuck on all the tier 3 buildings and dropping loot really bad. i turn the furnaces off because they will load it up with fuel and just walk away. i noticed with the tier 1 furnaces they would burn 100s of wood to cook a few bronze bars so i just run the furnaces now which is good crafting xp

[@brandx7711]

@@TheIslandFarmer321 man i actually figured out literally last night the AI red dots will not attack them in worker mode UNLESS you attack them, it's hilarious my villagers are running with a bale of hay or a bowl of soup. Yea man, the charcoal burner and smelter are painful, I had almost 200 irone ores I couldn't get anything smelted I had to go back to a t1/2 for bronze also, arrows were dwindling and you can't make most repairs without bronze... frustrating as hell. Also getting tired of storing burnt mushrooms because they top off the smoking rack then go to bed smh

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

@@brandx7711 i had 120+ bronze bars that disappeared yesterday, not sure if it was repairs or they dropped them. kinda sucks. they run the t1 furnaces best and only wood so you can make 6 of those and cook the lower tier metals but iron and steel basically has to be done by the player. my guys seem to make charcoal just fine though

[@MCprosperity]

How do i make cured rope ? I cant find where to make a tier 2 or 3 weaver 🤔

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

i think there's only a tier 2 weaver and tanner. its in the tier 2 weavers hut, there two parts to that building one makes armor the other makes the ropes

[@MCprosperity]

@@TheIslandFarmer321 Ty.. I will have to look over that building to find it. 👍

[@mathiasiversen7848]

Complaining about how long food lasts while eating an uncooked mushroom seems a bit.. Different foods last for different amounts of time, dried berries and smoked fish reduce how quickly people get hungry too, suggest you eat something like a Hearty Meat Stew (Full for 8 hours) then Fish Stew (Full for 7 hours) and finally either dried berries or smoked fish - you wont get hungry for a full day and night.

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

yeah i used to go buy smoked fish from the merchant all the time but my new base location is a bit far. i didnt build a tier 2 forager hut also and tier 3 doesnt dry the berries. as far as soups, my villagers eat all the good food before i can grab anything even when i buy something from trade they just inhale anything good before eating the garbage.

[@FrosTesd]

Mods will change your life xD

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

i like to play games without mods at first at least one time all the way through. after that sometimes ill mod but mods can be buggy and even break your game when updates come out.

[@beaudamien]

Army? Can’t you solo them. It takes longer but I do.

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

sure there's people making videos of soloing them but you cant hold all the loot on one character and the higher tier bandits have good face armor so you cant headshot them. its good for leveling your archery and agility though.

[@d_ruggs]

is there much for politics or anything like that in this game when dealing with other settlements?

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

not really, there's some quests that get political but no built in political mechanics

[@ChristopherFryeWA]

FYI you had your building set to NULL so no workers are going to go there.

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

i had it turned on but turned it off so they wouldnt waste 100 wood cooking 1 metal bar

[@hrd4mud]

The reason they are not smelting you have it turned off in priority list.

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

i had it turned on they are just really inefficient when cooking ore, using a ton of wood

[@davidgaming95]

That's because the devs made the game "hard" so people would spend hundreds of hours before reaching to tier 3 and realising the game sucks. but with around 20mods from the community the game is okay, soloing raid parties and not relying on npc bugs is fun. I know it's early access, but it's coming from the devs that abandoned their game for this one.

[@americannick2039]

What game is this? You made this?

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

It's called Bellwright. No I did not create this one, I wish lol. I've been having a lot of problems trying to learn animations.

[@icospawn]

they dont make iron.. but you set the priority to null meaning no one going to use it

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

i had it turned on and they were just cooking metals really slow burning tons of wood to do so

[@icospawn]

@TheIslandFarmer321 instead of doing 1,2,3 do more of 1 , 3 ,6. And you prob have to much on 1 or 2 or just simply null everything out beside smiting if you got enough people.

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

@@icospawn I'll give it a try. Everything does end up on 1 eventually and I usually have to redo it all

[@toddhercules1885]

Ah, another amazing speaker..... You know "like", but "like", I got so much "like".....etc... LEARN TO SPEAK!!!!

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

like totally dude

[@briboy2009]

You sure like using the word 'Like.' Are you aware that you do that?

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

like totally dude

[@coreyg7364]

I watched for 14 minutes and the only thing you didn't complain about was the furnace. You hate everything about this game...why do you play it? Sharing your thoughts is fine, but people don't want to listen to you complain for 20 minutes.

[@TheIslandFarmer321]

didnt complain until tier 3, that's what the video was about