Ben Hogan - Forget About Manufacturing Your Tilts in Your Golf Swing

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Hi Everyone, welcome to the "No More Secrets Ben Hogan Channel". If your serious about learning Ben Hogan's golf swing, you are absolutely in the right place.
In this video Christopher is going to show how manufacturing tilts in your golf swing in not such a good idea. Ben Hogan did not tilt the way golfers think he did and these titling ideas that are being passed around by golf instructors online are hurting the improvement of recreational golfers.
It is time to take your swing and your ball striking ability to the next level.
If you are really wanting to learn Ben Hogan's swing you are in the right place. Welcome to the No More Secrets Ben Hogan channel, and get ready to learn.
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[@conwaytwitty8634]

That was the most emotional golf lesson!

[@danieldavis6012]

Another one of those Aha moments. Thanks Cris. Great instructor. You Tell it like it is and what is really happening and cut out the BS. Alot of instructors tell you to do this or that but they don't explain the mechanics or the consequences if you follow their instructions. Keep up the great work!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks. I absolutely will.

[@hoongliew5337]

Thank you for enlightening the tilt mystery , I agree with you, it make great sense, thank you

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

You're very welcome

[@afs-drew9644]

Wow - you are truly cracking the Hogan code /secret. Hogan is smiling from above !! Subscribed and liked. Your channel is excellent !!!Unsubscribed from a dozen other 'teaching it wrong and painful' channels .

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thank you so much!

[@motoxkx500af9]

Thanks Chris, I've been studying hogan's swing for over 30 years. You're spot on with how the shoulders turn. This i believe was one of hogan's secrets. Started with the left shoulder and keeping the left shoulder high and the right low. I shot my personal low for nine holes a 33. Three under par!!! Thanks for your great advice!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks for sharing. That is absolutely fantastic. Way to go and congrats on the 3 under. 👍👍👍

[@kevinprentice3113]

First, congrats on shooting a 33! Second, I love the fact that you've been studying Hogan's swing for 30 years 👊 Whether that be Hogan's swing or any other player. And shout out to Chris for his instruction that led to better play. I'm impressed and give great respect to you for studying the Hogan swing and to Chris for keeping the Hogan principles relevant in the 21st century. Here's my abbreviated take on the Hogan swing and the so-called secret or secrets. You may be skeptical. You may not believe me, but I offer it because We're all here to learn and anybody that studied the golf swing of any great player for 30 years would appreciate the sharing of information..... Back in the late '80s I was a student of Henry Picard. If you study Hogan then you probably know his first book. Power Golf was dedicated to Henry Picard. Early in Hogan's career when he was struggling and out of money it was Picard that offered financial assistance to Hogan so he would not have to quit the tour and go home. When Picard left his Head Pro job at Hershey Country Club he convinced the board to hire Ben Hogan as their head professional. It was Pic that suggested Hogan weaken his left hand on the club ( hint.... The answer is not your standard "to keep from hooking"... there is a very specific reason). First time I met Gardner Dickinson was at Frenchman Creek Golf Club in late 1983. Later.... I had a lesson with Gardner Dickinson at Loxahatchee Golf Club in Florida in the mid-90s. The lesson went very well. Afterward he asked me to play nine holes. Note: He did not play. He drove the cart. So he watched and I played. It's been a long time but I believe it was a Monday, the club was closed and I think we were the only ones out there. It was like the golf gods tossed me the biggest bone in history 😂 . Obviously the subject of Hogan and his swing came up. Sorry for being long-winded here. Regarding the Hogan secret or secrets..... I will tell you it was not the shoulder or I guess you said the left shoulder....it was not. One day, I think it was 1988, I drove up from Hilton Head Island, SC and met Pic at a shabby driving range on John's Island. That afternoon he gave me a lesson teaching me how Hogan did it. Yes, the shoulder were important to Hogan. Every aspect of his body golf swing was important. In a nutshell.... both Hogan and Pic believed the golf swing is.... ***Posture ***Plane ***Balance (footwork) (It is dynamic balance...balance in motion....it is not static balance) Beyond that ..... "everything else is details" Tidbits.... *** The better the posture, the flatter the plane. *** The flatter the plane the better the swing. Okay I'm out of time. Got to go for now. If you are curious feel free to ask me a question

[@johnnyhicks2386]

Absolutely correct and this will explain my back pain trying to get into a bend position in the back swing. Brilliantly explained.

[@Rudy2053]

Hi Chris....you are not crazy, that is what I do and makes a lot of sense; it's a wonderful feeling.

[@penzlexsri1004]

Finally I can tilt without tilting. Thank you Chris, this is make sense and natural.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

You bet!

[@michaelmoore178]

I just want to say thank you.this help my swing alot better and more control thank you again

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Great to hear!

[@michaelmoore178]

Keep making these videos your my best KZbin teacher I love it

[@gurujay1]

keeping the left shoulder high in the beginning of the back swing, gives more space on my right side to makemy down swing & doesn't allow the right shoulder to dominate .Thanks 👍🏻👍🏻

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

👍👍👍

[@michaelmoore178]

Chris I keep telling my friends to watch your videos they don't believe how good I got from watching your videos about Ben hogan

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks, maybe they will, very proud of the progress you are making. We all deserve to have the opportunity to play better golf.

[@krestwoodb]

You just glued this together for me. Many thanks!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

You're welcome.

[@DavidKillian-yx5cd]

Outstanding, thank you

[@dahcargo]

Very well articulated! I've never thought about this in the depth that you explain, you're right on.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Glad it was helpful!

[@lawrencegarm1602]

Thanks Chris and Happy New Year ! ! !

[@michaelmoore178]

Chris you saved me a lot of money 💰 thanks again for studying hogan

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

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[@charleyhobgood1319]

Amazing tilt tip!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Glad you liked it.

[@nigelloughlin4539]

Chris, your 100% right! I was doing the tilt artificially and was playing bad. I then INCREASED the tilt as I thought I wasn’t doing it enough. I went to a pro and he immediately told me what your telling folks. That right shoulder high was a killer!!! I don’t come over the top anymore and hit my irons sweet. Hopefully YOUR viewers listen to you…..ITS RIGHT!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks for the comment.

[@bobgruenke5897]

Your definitely on to something here. Every time I tilt in my backswing, i end uo coming in steep and over the top. Tried it the way you explain it here and i am coming in shallow, from the inside. New to your page and really like it so far. Thanks!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks for sharing. The tilt in my opinion is what is messing up so many golfers and has been for a while. Remember what happened to Aaron Baddeley back in the day, 2007 US Open under pressure. He was the poster child for Tilting. He was the 54 hole leader and shot an 80 on Sunday.

[@bobgruenke5897]

Totally remember that, he was definitely a big S & T guy.

[@OK-so8jy]

Amazing content! Underrated Channel for golf 100%!!!!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Much appreciated!

[@gerrymcintosh4477]

Beautiful Chris such an economy of motion. 🇨🇦💝👍

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

It really is! Thanks for watching.

[@billwatkins185]

That’s a fantastic way to describe that movement. The stack and tilt clan don’t want this clip to go viral. One question that I have for you is how to deal with your head / chin wanting to turn too much toward the right shoulder (away from the target). Hogan seemed to turn his head very slightly at the beginning of the backswing, so the left shoulder was definitely turning under his chin. However if you emphasize turning back level, the left shoulder pushes the chin back with it, then it has to move back to the left a lot on the downswing, and just doesn’t look or feel right. It’s something I struggle with. Do you have a suggestion on the best way to get the left shoulder to turn under the chin, without purposefully tilting it down? Thanks for your help, I love your videos.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

I will do a video on it for you shortly.

[@kiplingvisintini5783]

seve said keep your chin up

[@goldengate8287]

This makes sense … I just don’t understand why in the so called modern swing they criticize the spine tilt at address… all of a sudden it became a bad thing … I’m glad you provided clarity and benefits

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks and you're welcome. I can't believe where some of the golf instruction out there has taken us to myself.

[@rodlin6905]

Second video I have looked at from you Chris. I have subscribed now. Like the videos. Thanks. From U.K.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks, glad you are watching from across the pond.

[@MrShagdog]

HOLY MOLY ! This video has improved my impact more than anything I've seen in the last 5 yrs. Can't thank you enough for your efforts ( I'm telling all my golfing buddies re you ) I would like to go back to the start of these videos. Could you advise where to begin and how to proceed ? Thanks again,... ShagDawg

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Glad it helped! The videos I post are not in any specific order. Only in the Master Class on my site polygongolf.com are things in order from A to Z. Sorry this might not be the answer you are looking for but if you really want to go from A to Z the master Class is the best bet.

[@DaddyEZ545]

Just like throwing a baseball ….love it! ❤

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

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[@SteadyRolling]

In a somewhat underrated study, "Golf My Way," Jack Nicklaus addresses this issue. What he explains is that when the player sets up to the ball, there is a natural tilt in the spine, because the right hand is lower than the left on the club. He explains that what he strives to do is to maintain this exact tilt all the way through the swing, by rotating (at the angle of) his spine. I'd say that this book is a good complement to Ben Hogan's, because it has specific pieces of advice which are in "The Modern Fundamentals of Golf," but you have to look for them. These would be keeping the head still, i.e., behind the ball, maintaining the spine angle, shifting the weight to the right arch, keeping the left wrist straight, and leading the downswing with a rearward thrust of the left hip.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks for sharing.

[@strongcloud28]

You are correct, I learned from the 5 modern fundamentals, and that right shoulder/right elbow position puts you in position for the correct shoulder tilt on the downswing. awesome observation!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks.

[@Tigersmundo]

*Again the point is well made just keep flowing brother.*

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Always!

[@woodswork]

I could never understand this tilt thing and tried it constantly and it was just messing up my swing. This is fundamentally the best Video about the “Tilt”. Fantastic way of looking at it. A new subscriber

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Glad it helped!

[@frankmollegaard1989]

Late getting here sorry. I wonder if you could clarify the primary and secondary tilts you are talking about. I'll take a guess and say the primary is the tilt one see's from down the line view and the secondary is the tilt one see's from a face on view?

[@atxbowlingcoach]

Great teaching, thanks

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Criscross292]

Great video. I notice a big difference in my shot accuracy with this lowered right shoulder.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Awesome. Thanks for sharing.

[@bobbydrago0056]

Light bulb moment for me. Thanks Chris

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

You're welcome.

[@larryraney8087]

Great explanation and demonstration!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ErikkAgain-oz1yo]

Mike Bender 101!😍

[@bh5606]

Nice visual.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks.

[@tonyhauser5640]

This is huge!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks.

[@edwardcoss6574]

Recently been adding stack and tilt elements to my swing. And the ' tilt' been messing me up. This lesson makes sense

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

I agree.

[@tysondrexel2286]

This is excellent stuff, thanks!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks.

[@DavidJG242]

Hogan had the big guns and forearms like a baseball player, I bet he had a strong handshake

[@KF-qw9mt]

That is Very similar to what Aussie coach Gary Edwin right sided swing has been coaching for years. His players like Rod Pampling Peter Leonard, Peter, Senior Rebecca Artis all turn similar to this

[@charleyhobgood1319]

Huge!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

👍

[@miguellemme6483]

Awesome Vid, thanks!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Glad you liked it!

[@ewanrankinegolf6341]

Good explanation!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Glad it was helpful!

[@tz444]

nice explanation on the tilt. Looks like I have been doing it wrong:)

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Not wrong. You just now have a better picture.

[@MartinCabot-p1q]

So good Stuff. Finally The truth

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thank you.

[@gerrymcintosh4477]

I can’t tilt in my backswing; my turn is more level as you suggest. Great observation Chris. Another great video. When will you show us the swing by hitting a few? I will look forward to seeing you do that. 👍💝🇨🇦

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks. In time.

[@michaelmoore178]

I just went to golf range I turned it out people asking me who teaching you lol 😆

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

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[@consequence8836]

I have a couple probs with this video. For one, it is important to note that Ben Hogan was pretty short, especially by current standards. There are some who dispute his height based on pictures in both directions (taller and shorter) but computer analysis determined he was 5'8 inches tall. People close to that height absolutely can and should pay attention to the lessons his swing can teach you. However, if you are 5' 10+ you should NOT swing your shoulders, hands or arms as "flat" as Ben Hogan did. Find a more personably suitable swing to learn from. If you are on the taller side, you will have more "tilt" by the nature of swinging more upright and on YOUR plane. The other problem is in your demonstrations you fail to show how, despite being a flatter swinger, Ben's left shoulder DID get under his chin. In your demonstrations your chin remains behind your left shoulder. That would result in huge head movement, huge inconsistency, as well as a huge power loss. That is the opposite of Hogan. At one point in your demonstration, around 7:52(but other times as well) your head is actually over your right foot and your chin is behind/below your left shoulder. While Ben did keep his head behind the ball through contact, his head NEVER got that far wide to the right to be over his right foot. HIs chin also was over his left shoulder. Maybe it is unfair of me to examine 1 vid of yours and rip it like this, but I could not let people think that this much improper head movement is ok. It absolutely isn't. Furthermore, I think it is always important to mention that taller player mimicking a shorter player's swing is a bad idea the same as a shorter player mimicking a taller player's swing.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks for your opinion.

[@jjpac2011]

mind blowing indeed. thanks for sharing Chris. genius!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

My pleasure!

[@maxsmart8954]

Left shoulder on back swing moves back passed the ball position. That move alone is huge!!!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

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[@johnharrington6122]

This is more like Carl Lohren’ s “ One Move To Better Golf “ or Claude Harmon Sr.,” the left shoulder turns behind the ball “ ! Ps. Nick Price in his book , “ The Golf Swing “ , said : “ and make sure the left shoulder stays high “.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Cool, Thanks for sharing.

[@chaddy-me-boy8299]

Diff subject. I’ve seen recently where it’s being said that getting to impact isn’t swinging across your body. The turn gets you to impact. Hmmm, I say, well what about Hogan? The “free ride” that Hogan mentioned? Is that where is just turning, and keep turning w/o doing much with the hands and release until the drop at impact?

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

A new video will come out next week that is going to change everything for everyone for the better. Even if people are trying to learn the Hogan fundamentals or the fundamentals of the modern teachings the video that is coming, in my opinion, is going to take golf swings all over the world to a new level. I know that is a bold statement, but one I believe to be extremely true. It is going to be a lot longer than the other videos I usually do, so make sure to watch it, from a bigger screen device.

[@MartinCabot-p1q]

Exactly like baseball swing

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Right.

[@johnwalters4679]

Best instruction on Ben Hogans swing is with Chris Hudson.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks.

[@A-FrameWedge]

Hogan’s upper body was very erect at setup, but he turned his shoulders on a steeper plane compared to his spine angle at address. Which means his upper body became less erect, and caused his head to drop 3 or 4 inches at the top of his backswing, a dropped another couple inches by impact. Also Hogan turned his shoulders 90 degrees to his spine throughout his backswing.

[@micheletripault9756]

Great video Chris ! I like to video my swing. Please could you explain how to place the camera versus the body in front of me and to the right side of me ? I am going to keep watching your videos.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Place the camera in front of you where your whole body is in frame and make sure the camera is at the same height as your hands when you are in your address position from both views. To get in front of you left and right, move camera 45 degrees from center to either side in face on perspective same camera height.

[@dtgps]

Ben Hogan said he wore a hole in the shoulder of his golf shirts, from his left shoulder rubbing against his chin stubble. This video shows "tilt" but left shoulder does not /cannot rub the chin. For Ben Hogans swing technique: The Hogan Manual of Human Performance: GOLF, 1992, Gerry Hogan

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Nope.

[@djpoints]

I'm with ya brother, but i think like so much of this funny game this is a "feel" rather than an actual position relative to the ground. Like you said the right shoulder should begin lower than the left. Ok. And then maintain that axis through backswing rotation. Ok. BUT here's the deal with the feel---the lower body is rotating as well on a slightly different plane where the right leg goes into extension and the left goes into flexion. Which all results in a right shoulder being higher than the left at the top creating a tilt. Not really an illusion yknow?? But im with ya brother, great stuff!

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks for sharing.

[@RodneyShort]

Chris, Does swinging with more "level" shoulders call for clubs with more flat lie angles to get the most out of it?

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

No

[@Charles-xm1ml]

Interesting….

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

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[@jameshoward8411]

Hey Chris, what do you mean by "we've pulled the string in the back" when describing your setup? Thanks

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Feel like your chest convaves a little. It is like someone is pulling a string on your back to create the concave feeling in the chest. It's just like a hallow position in gymnastics.

[@jameshoward8411]

@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan Thank you sir.

[@joecalvacca3195]

Question Chris what about the elbows being tucked in like hogan spoke about ?

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

I think, in my opinion, that is going to be up to the individual golfer. I believe strongly that is what Hogan felt like for sure, but did he actually do that. I can show you countless videos of him where that answer is going to be no.

[@awijte6656]

In fact, a true rotation around the spine

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Thanks for sharing.

[@Kra3Train]

This looks like a recipe to swing from over the top with open shoulders at address

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Nope.

[@amfohr]

Hogan did internally rotate at his right hip, therefor he has a crease in his pants and you don't. But the other part in regard to the shoulders seems right.

[@williamhoughton7117]

Wild Bill Melhorn, who Hogan said was the best from tee to green he ever saw, advocated a level shoulder turn. A simple pivot and let the arms swing.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Hogan had a lot of respect for Melhorn for sure.

[@williamhoughton7117]

@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan funny thing is Melhorn received criticism for teaching things like the level shoulder turn in his day even though he learned some of his techniques from Harry Vardon.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

@@williamhoughton7117 Some People criticize what they do not understand. It is pretty sad but true, even back then.

[@NFiltr8Red]

Your crazy, I’m gonna need to see you hit scratch golf or I’m not watching another video

[@rjswish]

Don’t most pro’s tilt at 42 degrees and then 54 degrees?

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Averages. All I am saying is that from the DTL perspective, you will tilt without trying to force it. There is no need to manufacture it.

[@pigslefats]

Hang on. Right shoulder low and left shoulder high leads to correct tilt and it just happens? You did not explain how it happens as in the exact body movement

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Will make a more detailed video shortly.

[@daviddonofrio3229]

Hogan had 40 degrees of shoulder tilt at the top of his swing with a 7 iron. You have about half that much in this video,why?

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Are your numbers coming from a 2D perspective?

[@peblinks63]

Hogan was a knuckle dragger...none of us can get into those positions...

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

It's not about being a clone of Mr. Hogan. It's about understanding his fundamentals that will allow golfers to reach new levels in my opinion.

[@TheBarbecutioner]

Can we see you hit a ball?

[@mattj265]

If I had a dollar for every guru who tells people that's not what Hogan did. Hogan had a flat swing so not sure where you're going with this.

[@lyazidlabidi3545]

It helps re-balancing the downswing

[@Savantgolf]

I don't believe you can hit the ball. Being able to pull all this stuff off Can you give a credibility. Saying I'm telling you Isn't good enough. Stop feeding your ego and your pocket by utilizing ben hogan's name

[@rodralph824]

Total BS.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

Not even close.

[@tonyhills5494]

I'm calling it ..the emporer has no clothes on - ! watched a lot of these videosbut there are some serious flaws - the fact we have never seen the presenter even show a full swing in real time never mind hitting a ball in months of videos ? - Full respect if i see this guy nails some beautiful golf shots - There is some good sense to much but there are also some terrible head positions , stance leg positions .

[@gerrymcintosh4477]

I keep waiting to see, if he’s going to hit a few…🤔

[@afs-drew9644]

Just accept it buddy - you, me , thousands have been taught wrong. Bad for us - good for instructors $$$$. This stuff is eye opening.

[@Thegolfingoldman]

With due respect ask Butch Harmon to hit a few for you, or better yet David Leadbetter … guarantee you’ll be disappointed. These guys offer thoughts and ideas, if you don’t like them don’t watch.

[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

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[@brettaylor2592]

What you are saying about Leadbetter may very well be true. However, you are dead wrong about Butch Hartman. He played on tour, so at one point he had to be able to hit quality golf shots.

[@satts1949]

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[@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan]

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