Ben Shapiro and Conservatives now want you to WORK until you're DEAD

We all know capitalists do not see people as human - merely as cogs in the capitalist machine. If your life’s purpose isn’t to generate profit for the one percent then what exactly are you good for?
Ben Shapiro has recently said what they have all been thinking for decades, you are not entitled to retirement, in fact we should cut state pensions and you must actually work until you literally drop.
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[@DrumWild]

Remember that the people who want you to work until you're 80, and those who won't hire you over 50, ARE THE SAME PEOPLE.

[@AG-hx6qn]

Dude . Good point. So that's what was bothering me on top of all this. XD this is beyond messed up

[@CBT5777]

Excellent comment. 100% true

[@evieford7557]

“Die within five years” maybe cause….. they’re old?? 😭 Ben shapiro is a rich guy whose never gonna do work outside of doing podcasts and burning children’s toys

[@saranghae1saranghae]

Whining, sitting on your fat butt, and pretending to like your wife is hard work. Poor Ben...

[@LOL-zu1zr]

Maybe because they have no free healthcare but Israel does😢

[@mallardofmodernia8092]

Ben shapiro is somewhat right there. Having purpose and healthy, active mental and physical health for many comes from their job. Many who retire don't keep themselves as engaged in activities as they did when they were working. I hate to agree with Shapiro on this but he's right but for the wrong optics. Although you can replace backbreaking dependent jobs with community jobs that they can do at their own pace, with their own hours that they might be passionate about. Shapiro sees this from a pro corporate position, I see this from a pro people position. For proof, doctors will often prescribe those who are retired and at risk of rapid onset mental decline with doing puzzles or even playing videogames and accompanying that with light exercise but not everyone is into that.

[@fawnieee]

​​@@mallardofmodernia8092 except we're all overworked and underpaid nearly every industry is extremely exploitative and stressful that not even the healthiest of 20yrs olds can keep up with without doing permanent damage to their bodies. Theres a reason the only people who are demanded this aren't the ones in the actual workforce and i can only assume you come from rich parents or youre a child whos never worked. But if you ever work your delulus will quickly be sqaundered and your head will be yanked outta that sand you're keeping it in. Or you're a boomer who only had to pay 9 rapsberries for a house and refuse to look at the evidence of how dire things are these days.

[@kevingriener7441]

​@mallardofmodernia8092 both of my parents have been retired for a decade. Don't be an idiot.

[@randomgenretalk8151]

The failed screenwriter who never worked a single day in his life, who was so terrible at writing movie scripts that even his mother who works in the industry as a higher up couldn't give him a job there, he wants everyone to work until they die.

[@ykwtfim]

No way. I didnt know that golden bit about him 🤣🤣

[@chaserseven2886]

How do you know he didn’t work a a day in his life? Proof

[@Monkchelle_Kongbama]

the irony of criticizing the work ethic of your opposition when your own ideological leaders do just as much sitting around I mean, do you people actually hear the words that come out of your mouths?

[@seanraf2554]

@@Monkchelle_Kongbama but no one on the left is telling you to work til you die or that your only value as a human being is how long and how much you work. They are simply pointing out how out of touch with reality Ben is given his background. Also, Ben and others of his ilk are funded by billionaires to spew incoherent and conspiracy theories backed by no data or research and who have legions of employees to do all the actual creative work for them. Meanwhile, leftist creators come from (mostly) working class backgrounds and need to research, edit, write, and film their own content. A lot of them need to work a regular job on top of youtube especially if they aren't big. To compare the two as having it equally easy is naive and insane.

[@PrettierNPastel]

You do understand its because they dont tell you to work more like ben. Its a matter of hippocracy ​@Monkchelle_Kongbama

[@lmaololroflcopter]

I honestly doubt that Ben Shapiro is working past 65, even though his job merely consists of sitting in an air conditioned studio as he blurts out dumb crap in his annoying chipmunk on coke voice.

[@LOL-zu1zr]

Bruh chipmunks are cute unlike him

[@Mooglatan]

His arguments are cute😂​@@LOL-zu1zr

[@2FINE4YOUBABYGIRL]

And his fire raps too! Wet a$$ P word 😂

[@SavageGreywolf]

Ben Shapiro has never worked a day in his life, and never will, unless he's ever held accountable for his sins before the firey maw of Satan cracks open the earth and swallows him back to his place of origin.

[@sakuraesther6309]

He said on their wedding day he signed to give his wife 10 mill dollars if they divorce .He is mega rich ,he'll stop working when he feels like it and will have other people work for him in old age

[@afterhourscinema782]

It's cute that Ben thinks shilling for Israel in an air-conditioned studio is an actual job 😂

[@mattwong5403]

Ben Shapiro doesn't even edit his own videos. He just speaks in front of a camera and hires production crews and video editors to do all the actual work

[@223Drone]

People like Matt Walsh, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro etc. have no right to call other people "lazy" when they get paid millions to spew out what ever they want in a air conditioned room with no push back.

[@nihluxler1890]

Remember, he’s a 53 yo child prodigy. He’s very smart.

[@ahouyearno]

@@nihluxler1890 I genuinely believe Ben is the smartest conservative there is. Given how utterly wrong he always is, and yet he's the smartest, that says something about every other conservative.

[@marshallsweatherhiking1820]

@@ahouyearnoBeing “smart” is talking fast and gish galloping over people who he chooses to “debate”. I just don’t get how this guy is still popular.

[@saranghae1saranghae]

"Do grueling work to enrich someone else's life, and not your own until you expire." - Satan's Minion from Hell

[@MrCallumDennis]

"Work will set you free"... -irony

[@saranghae1saranghae]

@@MrCallumDennis "Free" being a euphemism for death...

[@ntokozosibanyoni1421]

​@@MrCallumDennis Wasn't that like a Death Camp slogan in Poland during the 1940s? Which is pretty ironic coz most of these camps were working people to death. 😂Its an absolute clown world that this Shapiro guy thinks people hate being rewarded for their hard work smh.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

That's offensive to Hell.

[@mannysilver211]

​@@amanofnoreputation2164XD

[@hattree]

This makes me furious considering neither of my parents made it to 65.

[@lifesymbiont5769]

im sorry

[@Tyler-sk9ev]

one of mine didn't neither brother I know it.

[@Chill-mm4pn]

Sorry to hear that.

[@camelopardalis84]

If either or both of them used to do jobs that are known for leading to a shorter lifespan, they should have been giving the opportunity and means to do so. Including financially, of course; either by the state or their employer. Roughly 20 years ago, there was kind of a debate going on in Switzerland about letting construction workers retire ten years or so earlier, since so many of them never see retirement age due to having worked in those physically taxing jobs. I would love or that to be the case everywhere. This would also help the image of such jobs (which isn't quite as low here as in other countries), meaning that those 55+ construction workers could be replaced with younger people eager to receive a good enough pension that allows them to retire at age 55. But a lot could be done for people to be able to retire earlier or to not have such physically and mentally taxing jobs. I constantly see people perform jobs that no society could ever need. Of what use to society as a whole are you if you advertise and sell and inform people about phone and internet plans? All you do is generate income to pay taxes. No-one needs that job to be done. The same goes for building and maintaining ticket machines for public transport or for checking people on the bus for "tickets and fees" (if the latter is still a thing in the UK) and sending them stern letters about finally paying their fine and then all the work that is required to finally lock up some of those people. It's administrative nonsense. Bureaucracy no-one needs. Just make using public transport free of charge.

[@CynthiaMcG]

Why are we using outdated statistics to determine retirement age? COVID messed up those statistics by reducing life expectancy. It's no longer 80, Bennie boy.

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

Of course he doesn't also say that Trump shouldn't run for president either...

[@lonewolffang]

Exactly. Double-edged sword. If Biden should retire, Trump needs to as well.

[@fawnieee]

Rule for thee and not for me is the entire conservative mantra.

[@OEF_Vet_0331]

@@fawnieee😂 it’s cute to see leftists try to turn this into a “conservative Mantra” The Majority of Americans know it’s the corrupt woke elite who have the rules for thee and not for me. It’s so obvious that it’s quite telling of your IQ level if you still trust these people. No one in government is trustworthy, left or right doesn’t make any difference. it’s just Amazing to see liberals on their knees to defend Joe Biden and the elite surrounding him.

[@MsZandiX]

When Africans said we shouldn't live to work, we were called lazy by people who travelled the world to force people to labour for them

[@bilbobaggins9451]

The only silver lining to this is that the majority of his comments are disagreeing with him.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

True. He is a jew as well so many on the right wont listen to him based on that alone. So... GOOD? lol. The one time their racism is a net positive haha.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 The issue with antisemitism is that it targets the wrong enemy. Antisemites don't want to get rid of bankers but replace Jewish bankers with "good" bankers. They don't understand that the system will promote anti human behaviour no matter who is at the top It feels like a move in the right direction but national socialism didn't solve many societal issues, did it?

[@Usagi393]

It was a dumb statement to make given his audience has to be, at the youngest, in their 50s

[@Dark_Jaguar]

He thinks pointing out how old Biden is is a convincing argument. I AGREE he's too old and he should retire. "Work" is not the purpose of our lives. Ben, this was a promise society made to me since I was a kid in the 80's. I mean to make sure that promise is KEPT. I've been paying into it for decades. I am OWED retirement. Ben, you don't work. You don't get to have an opinion on this.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

There're people who work their whole lives because they were lucky to find a job which fulfils them. Most of us don't have that

[@Dug252]

It’s funny how he doesn’t mention Trump is also retirement age… if you are going to make the argument make it apply to everyone. All politicians.

[@lakriz116]

My father is 60 right now. After getting cancer, he has been seriously starting to consider retirement. Most of the men on his side of the family barely made it to retirement. Society should be able to function without elderly and children working.

[@lakriz116]

Editing spelling and grammar mistakes 😅

[@07Flash11MRC]

But the children yearn for the mines (according to capitalists) and the only purpose of us working class is working til we drop dead...

[@fawnieee]

My mother has been working since 13 and shes not even 50 yet and because of the high exploitation her body has basically collapsed into itself and shes more or less bedridden. All while we fight her most recent job to pay her the correct amount that is owed to her. But capitalism is wonderful! /s

[@Name..........]

​@fawnieee I'm starting to see my future as something similar I've been nonstop working since I was 15 and physically as well as mentally and emotionally I crashed in my 20s I'm not able to work full time and do full time college classes anymore...because of how draining it is.

[@SuperJJParker]

​@@Name..........How draining what is? What did you work as?

[@andrefaria2921]

God, I'm in my 30s and I'm already fed up with working, imagine not retiring.

[@KateeAngel]

I worked since I was 25, now I am 30, and I am already tired af 😂

[@walpoleandworcester]

I was already fed up with that crap after 5 years and then attempting to return to that industry I was in.

[@Monkchelle_Kongbama]

@@KateeAngel you can always be homeless, it's a pretty sweet gig in 2024. Free money, Free food, Free places to stay. Get to travel, chill out on beaches and underpasses.

[@troy5094]

​@@KateeAngelyou're honestly more fortunate than most people if you started working at 25...

[@dakz9296]

@@troy5094I got my first job at 23. Some of my classmates in high school were already working when in their junior and senior year of high school.

[@MovieEggman]

You know it’s bad when even Lifelong GOP Conservatives are disagreeing with Ben Shapiro’s opinions

[@AlzheimersCaretaker]

the congress ppl will * publicly * disagree with him. but they've beeen talking about the need to cut social security and medicare/medicaid for decades and they will do it with their brazen new reimagining of the republican party. ya know what else they talked about doing for literal decades before they finally got their way? Overturning roe v wade.

[@espinita.]

Fuck capitalism

[@moffichu9150]

it should be called bagitalism the way im flipping. im him

[@lloroshastar6347]

Nothing radicalises me against capitalism like Conservatives. They just tell me what their plan is for the world and how capitalism is and what it means and why it's a good thing, and I immediately want our society to stop being capitalist. I don't think it's a coincidence that I've essentially gone from being a centre-left liberal to a libertarian socialist in the past 5 years or so essentially because Conservatism has completely turned me off capitalism for life.

[@Monkchelle_Kongbama]

what is the answer then, yiffer?

[@jeffreyherrera5069]

​@@Monkchelle_Kongbama You sure you wanna be calling other people "yiffers" with your pfp?

[@imafreakinninja12]

You may want to read a political doctrine before you give out political opinions. You can't have Capitalism with a Central Bank.

[@afterhourscinema782]

My father works in granite countertops. In other words, he cuts and moves multi-ton rocks for a living. People in his profession retire in their 50s (if they're lucky), because their backs give out or they suffer lung disease (from breathing in silica dust) for the rest of their lives. After retiring, they're lucky to make it to 65. If I told my father he couldn't retire, he'd probably put me in the hospital 😂

[@Masanumi]

Jeez, can they not use oxygen masks? Your father should file a lawsuit against them.

[@Maya_Ruinz]

Ben has had some terrible takes but this is a whole new level of cruel. You now want to deny people their own retirement? You are just evil at this point.

[@1Dark.Paradise.Lost1]

He has always been evil

[@thinkstoomuch4445]

I work for Social Security and we provide Retirement Benefits, Disability Benefits, Auxiliary Benefits, Survivor’s Benefits, and Disabled Adult Child Benefits. Also, your Retirement is between 62 to 67, depending on when you are born. Your benefits cap at 70 years old. You have to apply for Medicare at 65, unless you are working and receive healthcare through that work. Finally, calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme is dim witted. People who are so sick that they can’t work rely on Social Security for at least a safety net. Also, you have a choice on when you want to retire, you just need the info. My advice, go to your local Social Security and get the facts straight.

[@troywalkertheprogressivean8433]

Most of my work is under the table and off the books, so I'm not feeding into social security. Like a lot of people.

[@MetastaticMaladies]

@@troywalkertheprogressivean8433 That’s all good for now, but what about when you get older and can’t work? I used to do the same, but I realized that I’m not going to make millions of dollars and be able to live off that when I’m old.

[@troywalkertheprogressivean8433]

@@MetastaticMaladies I'm not bragging I'm complaining. The solution is de privatize, re publicize.

[@AlzheimersCaretaker]

if a certain political nightmare faction somehow takes the reigns, they will do what they've been talking about doing forever (and then denying it). they will cut social security and medicare as deeply as possible. You don't have to puzzle this sht together, they've been saying is for decades.

[@MetastaticMaladies]

@@troywalkertheprogressivean8433 My bad, it seemed like you thought it was a good thing. Apologies for my misunderstanding.

[@ahouyearno]

Being old IS a health problem Ben how can you not understand that.

[@camelopardalis84]

His wife is a doctor. Not sure where I'm going with this, but it seems vaguely relevant.

[@KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza]

Like conservatives want to work when they blame unemployment on immigrants instead of themselves, even a big fat negative if they watch Benny Boy here make a "take"

[@ahouyearno]

Unemployment is always the fault of the person refusing to hire another person. When people are unemployed, it's the employer's fault. Always.

[@KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza]

​@@ahouyearnoso basically the US and their bourgeois

[@mjdoombreed]

Working your whole adult life until you physically or mentally cannot work anymore just to pay your bills sounds like serfdom with extra steps.

[@Pajali]

The idea of not wanting to stop working because you want to be useful isn’t just a capitalist idea (staying in the workforce can be as much about personally wanting to feel active and useful as it is about money), but I do think capitalism removes the choice of whether to continue working from a lot of retirement-age people. Plenty of older people would rather volunteer or look after their grandkids or pursue hobbies (all of which would keep them active but aren’t profitable) but have to stay in the workforce to cover the bare necessities.

[@SuprousOxide]

It's also assuming that your job is the ONLY thing you can do to make yourself feel active and useful. My grandparents lived for healthy and happy for decades after my grandfather retired (It was the loss of my grandmother that seemed to lead to my grandfather's mental decline and ultimate death). They had hobbies and projects around the house they enjoyed, they grew vegetables in the garden. They had grandchildren to watch and spoil. They helped out the community. I don't think slaving away at a full time job for those decades would have improved their standard of living.

[@j_117]

Lol Shapiro is such an angry little gremlin

[@marshallsweatherhiking1820]

What does he have to be angry about? He’s never struggled or suffered even once in his life. Does he want to see what real anger is? F around and find out.

[@fawnieee]

​@@marshallsweatherhiking1820 he fuels himself into anger and copium because how dare people and minorities especially still ask for equal rights.

[@mystman7722]

He's a rageaholic. He can't live without rageahol. (Simpson's quote😆 ) The only way he knows how to be happy is if others are more miserable than him. Sad man.

[@olivierluisin1790]

Please don't compare him with gremlins, think of the gremlins!

[@maskofsan1ty]

'Lose their purpose in life when they stop working' They lost their purpose in life years ago if their only purpose is work. Welcome to capitalism.

[@DrKarlov1138]

Ben works until his kids are out of school and Doesn’t work for the rest of the day.

[@nsbd90now]

Ben doesn't work. He just lazily spews the same lame fascist talking points over and over and over again. He doesn't grow. He doesn't learn. He doesn't ponder. There is no effort here.

[@austinluther5825]

That sounds nice. When I come home from work my kids tell me to upstairs and relax because they know how tired I am. They are 10 and 7.

[@camelopardalis84]

@@austinluther5825 Those are sweet children. (Unless, of course, they feel the need to say so.)

[@camelopardalis84]

I recently heard him say or heard someone about him say that his wife doesn't work. So why would he not work once his children come home from school?

[@nsbd90now]

@@camelopardalis84 His wife is a physician.

[@TiagoMorbusSa]

"everybody that I know who has retired is dead within five years" As opposed to WHAT, ben?! Everybody that you that doesn't retire lives FOREVER?! Absolute Aquaman moment.

[@----hello----]

😂😂😂 I got that hbomberguy reference! "Just one small problem... Sell their houses to who Ben? F*CKING AQUAMAN?!!!"

[@TiagoMorbusSa]

thank you :)@@----hello----

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

I guess Ben meant as opposed to the average present life expentancy of about 77.5 yrs in America. I think Ben was trying to say work or work as "purpose" extends your life... I don't think I agree. I think it's often the opposite. Cause there's so many problems in the current state for workers. One, workers and people having to protest their bosses and businesses, and for government to protect them, is stress, not life extending. Also, workplace abuse and worrying about low wages and surviving. Ben forgot that many people are forced to jobs they dislike to survive. Doesn't Ben remember he failed his dream as a screenwriter?

[@kingofallpie]

If that's the case then Ben should get a real job

[@mattiethemongoose3rd]

Someone who was once "friends" with a rich person who inevitably did him over said that the rich see the rest of us as livestock, and I honestly haven't come up with a better way of putting it. It's why they think we should work till we drop.

[@brettsherman7810]

The current retirement age is actually 66 years and 2 months. In 2026 it goes up to 67 years. It’s not surprising Benny Boy doesn’t know basic facts. And no one can live off the small amount Social Security pays. It’s just enough to live slightly below poverty.

[@cacapichi8564]

Everyone should have a pension that allows you to retire at 65. If working is “good” for you, then you can choose to work rather than being forced into it to avoid poverty. Is that easy, why can’t they get this through their thick skulls??

[@thelemon5069]

In the 1930's An economist named John Keynes Predicted that by the end of the 1900's Americans would be working Fifteen hours a week Keynes was a capitalist Who predicted leaps in innovation That would lead to a world in which People didn't have to work To have what they needed to live Food, water, shelter and clothing For the most part, he was right By mid-century the Green Revolution was in effect And has spared one billion people of starvation The world isn't perfect But global issues of poverty and hunger Are in a far better place than they've ever been What he failed to predict Was the unrelenting side of capitalist innovation Consumerism hit the nation hard in the 1950's And ever since Income inequality has gotten far worse Despite having the essentials for people to live We are working more than we ever have To support this unnecessary overabundance of products Demanded by American consumerism And a false scarcity, created by One-sided distribution of resources We are so far removed from the actual idea Of "earning a living, " We use the term to explain Why 90% of us spend our lives making profits For the top 1% that own everything The only thing we're "earning" is more merchandise for A sick, spoiled culture And CEO's that can't profit enough from it We are not an artificial intelligence What part of getting a new phone every year is a fucking living What part of working for Wal-Mart is a fucking living What part of trying to look busy at a desk is a fucking living Who's living are we working to sustain How does it feel to be the latest innovation of a broken fucking system How productive is your self-destruction How free do you feel In a work-culture of burnout Heart disease Anxiety Poverty And depression Capitalism is finished Hypocrisy Scarcity If we're really being honest What'd we trade for fucking objects Me and my pals all got our degrees We're lucky to work Seventy-hour weeks That eight-hundred bucks is time well spent And life well-traded For this month's rent So don't you try to bullshit 'bout efficient ergonomics Reducing my potential down to pushing little buttons Call it the merit of earning a living Feeding hedonistic Adaptation Fifteen hours Bed by ten Burn both ends And do it again God bless American capitalism For cutting the brakes on commodification The incentive to make is all we got With no incentive to fucking stop Streaming, phones and fashion that's designed for obsolescence Look at all the poverty that's come from our abundance Lemme work for cheap For my whole life To feed a star-spangled appetite

[@xHarpyx]

Yo, what is this from? I'm on mobile...

[@chefkatova]

why are you writing a haiku

[@xHarpyx]

@@chefkatova that's just a smidgen over 7 syllables to be a haiku

[@andrewgreen5574]

Bro, it wasn't consumerism that ended Keynesian economics, it was political and ideological realignment. Keynes was often referred to as a socialist, and Hayek's book "The Road to Serfdom" (Hayek's response to Keynesianism) had a major impact during this period. Likewise, the super rich were scheming and funding think tanks and politicians. This was also during the 2nd Red Scare, where anticapitalists and union leaders were being purged. Government policy is what changed and shaped the upcoming neoliberal era for decades bringing an end to the progressive era.

[@tyjhepengel5342]

​@@chefkatovaTell me this formatting didn't hold your attention. It's original and adds depth to the comment

[@SpiffidyKeen]

I hate capitalism. We, as a society, should be working toward self-sufficiency and decoupling ourselves from government reinforced wage slavery.

[@nsbd90now]

lol! When teenage Republicans who get bad grades in school concern-troll.

[@fawnieee]

Itll never happen. Either the 99% will revolt and fight for a better future or will descend into barbarism where we all work for one extremely wealthy person.

[@maxcalder1010]

The thing is people who choose to not retire are passionate about their job. Most people aren’t. Ridley Scott is extremely passionate about his job, but I work in the film business and trust me it’s not easy. It’s probably up there with the most stressful working environments in the world. Crazy hours too. 12-18 hour days are normal on a film set.

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

They should work 1 week in the oil patch. These "politicians" look like they never worked a hard day in their lives.

[@07Flash11MRC]

They are not politicians, they are right wing celebrities.

[@CynthiaMcG]

Baby-smooth hands are a telltale sign that some people have never worked a day in their lives.

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

@@CynthiaMcG Probably. I am OK with that. Some folks can work cozy office jobs their whole lives. This is just a missed opportunity to have a panel of conservatives debate that topic. I wonder what Mike Rowe would say. To be frank, I am not conservative. I just know that many conservatives are hard working people, often tradesmen. It's so absurd to have privileged golden boys like Donald Trump or Ben Shapiro represent hard working conservatives.

[@jahelation8658]

If society can give us lots of free time to pursue interests without worrying about work, then that is human progress. It is pretty sad that 99.9 % work their tits off and give all the cash to 00.01. Maybe if wealth was shared a bit more and we all worked less we could say we have graduated to a higher level of humanity?

[@engelmann82]

I'll be turning 50 this year...and I'm ready to retire!! 😅

[@litterboxstudios]

I’ll never understand how there are still working-class conservatives when every conservative “pundit” shows absolute contempt for workers.

[@jurneymetatron6871]

Like, Ben doesnt work a real job. He has no right to say a dang thing about this.

[@starrychan33]

I'm commenting this early so I'm sorry if you cover it but one thing that I never see anyone else cover is that a lot of organizing, especially socialist and left-wing organizing, is heavily run by retirees because they are the ones who have the time to do so. There's a direct incentive for them to increase the retirement age to reduce how many people have the time and energy to organize against the system

[@Saint_Medusa]

They should just say that want a aristocracy with slavery cause at this point theyre getting really close

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

Actually some conservatives and people tried to justify slavery. Such as PragerU had a video praising General Robert Lee for putting down abolitionist John Brown's revolt against slavery. Brown was executed for that. Some conservatives complained about Lee's statue being torn down. Some conservatives said it was good past slavery helped build modern civilization. I think on one of Sam Seder's videos on Florida, he said he met someone who said that slavery helped a African slave get cooking skills. As if people can't want to do that on their own. The good thing is Brandon F has videos criticizing the people trying to justifying slavery. Side note, I saw a clip of a man trying to justify colonization by saying caucasians brought the wheel to ethnic people. As if ethnic people were to dumb to think up the wheel and more. As if that justified the mass violence, slavery, exploitation, and stealing of resources. So yeah, is it any wonder some people think people "need capitalism to force people to work"? Conservatives said people need capitalism to force work so they admit the force. Forcing on the threat of starvation and life and death does sound kind of like slavery. And at gun point based on Marxism Today's video of how the police protect the state and rich people's property and means of production so much. Especially if rich people stole and exploited for that wealth of property. I heard some capitalists just say then go live and survive in the rural. But that's for people who are able to afford it, aka capitalism. There's some rich people who hoard spaces too. Like Bill Gates buying a lof of farm land. People can check out Not Just Bikes on diminishing third places and Cash Jordan on anti-homeless/hostile architecture. More rich businesses hogging public spaces and pushing people and homeless people out of them. Sorry for the rant.

[@CapnSnackbeard]

If Ben has to do 75 years of work before he retires, he may want to get started aoon.

[@LOL-zu1zr]

Bro thinks his got a real job😢

[@austinluther5825]

Slashing retirement programs like social security and medicare and medicaid is what makes my list of diagnostic codes that will cover our patients shorter and shorter. I'm a molecular scientist and my main job is detecting cancer at the chromosomal level. I check the insurance and diagnostic codes on every single test requisition and often have to call up the patient's doctor and tell them what code we need to work around the system so the patient doesn't get hit with a $1200 bill. That's not an exaggeration. That is the out-of-pocket cost for just one test that I do. While not all if our patients are elderly, most of them are. And they deserve dignity and respect and to not have to worry about working to pay for rent and grow when they're dealing with cancer. And if I was able to double-check every cytology result, we'd catch a lot more cases early enough that they don't have a chance to become an issue. Sorry, this just infuriated me to no end. The patients may never see me hidden away in the lab, but I really do care about them. The level of disregard Shapiro has for human life is disgusting.

[@fawnieee]

The american healthcare system is insane. I live in britain and currently i conservatives are desperate to privatize the NHS (our free healthcare) to follow up the excessively greedy model of the american healthcare system. They're doing the classic: underfund socialist aspect of society, when it stops working point to it and say "see? This is why free and nationalized things never works" and then privatize everything. Britain is now the second unhappiest country in the whole world but just recently our prime Minister (which we didnt choose btw) said that Britain is a "beacon of non racism and success" or some BS 🤦🏼‍♀️ My american friend was telling me how when she was billed for her son's broken arm it was in the hundreds of thousands. When she asked for the breakdown of costs; he apparently had given birth and that was the reason she needed to spend so much money! Apparently hospital billings in america will just slap on random bills that never had nothing to do with the case in hopes of making more money.

[@austinluther5825]

@fawnieee That is the unfortunate reality of our oh-so-amazing American "healthcare system." It's terrible on every level and yeah, sometimes they'll just slap on codes for stuff that didn't happen and hope you won't notice. There is one part of American healthcare that isn't too bad: federal workers, including military personnel, have healthcare paid for through taxes. I have been a military dependent my entire life, first through my father and then through my partner, and I never have to worry about medical costs. Which is big blinking neon sign that EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THAT.

[@Svafne]

Arbeit macht Frei! The conservatives in Sweden literally used it as a slogan ~10 years ago lol

[@zefft.f4010]

It's actually more than 20 years ago now. Around 2010. Time flies. But yes. Still very much a valid point, they haven't changed. They practically govern alongside actual neonazis, after all.

[@jounikemppi]

I've always thought it to be very strange that it seems that Americans live to work and their self-worth is tied to their jobs.

[@nsbd90now]

The first question we tend to ask each other when meeting is "So, what do you do?"

[@jounikemppi]

@@nsbd90now My answer would be: "I'm an artist and poet... What? No, I cannot make a living making art... Oh, you meant to ask what I do for a living? I'm a Unix/Linux admin for Finnish government, but forget that, that's not interesting. Just a job, you know? What do you love to do?"

[@nsbd90now]

@@jounikemppi It's funny, I want to ask people things like "What are you into? What kind of music do you like?" But that would almost sound weird when just meeting someone. Like too probing and personal or something. How messed up is that?

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@nsbd90now I would rather people ask my hobbies than job. The job one feels judgey. Like people are judging the salary or if you have a "real job that contributes to society" too. Stan Lee said he felt ashamed for working in comics and that he wasn't doing something like curing cancer. He did realize there was some importance to art and escapism. There's videos of people criticizing people using ai to steal art, like from Kirkpattiecake. In some of those videos they read comments of the pro-ai art people saying they hated artists or that being a artist wasn't a real job. Then people wonder why some artists want socialism. Among other reasons. Like how some artist have to grind so hard to be able to make a living on art. How there's videos about Japanese animators or devs having to work so hard they get sick and keep working, keep pillows and blankets at work to sleep there, or work overnight. Side note, some Japanese trains have curtains around each seat because it's the culture where people and students work so hard they fall asleep in public. And are even praised for that. It's depicted and normalized in anime too. But when some people watch anime they just write that off, even as "cute". People can count the times characters fall asleep in public in anime. I actually dislike if people want to emphasize and tie me to my job too much. Cause jobs are kind of forced. Even if I liked some things about my job. It's like does a slave like his job?

[@vit968]

Blame the Protestant work ethic

[@hugh_jasso]

To be fair, a retirement "age" is arbitrary. In my income bracket, poor, people work until they can't move. And if we're going to play this game, politicians should be forced to retire at retirement age. I mean really, wtf are we doing?

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

Kavernacle said people aren't forcing people to retire. He was criticizing Ben wanting to force people to not be able to receive retirement money at 65.

[@marvinparadroid]

Eh, what do you want... this is the same intellectual that gave us the "selling condos to acquaman" as a solution to global warming 😂

[@OneEyeShadow]

I love that this random throwaway joke is one of the two main things this guy is associated with.

[@marvinparadroid]

@@OneEyeShadow gives a little glimpse of how poor is his line of thought on the political spectrum and makes you question how he arrived to be defined as an "intellectual of the dark web" in the past, or just an intellectual in general.

[@German-bq9xs]

Billions to wars, but none to elderly people.

[@Westlander857]

One of my elder relatives taught in New York City public schools (in a not-so-safe area) for over 30 years. They more than earned their retirement. This infuriated me on a personal level.

[@07Flash11MRC]

The older generations were lucky. I wish I could retire after just 30 years of work, but I'm a millenial, who came from poverty, and I might just have to work 50-60 years (assuming I'll live that long).

[@sperez5402]

Im from mexico and i lived there for half my life im 28 now and i allways saw old people in ther 80s working i allways thought its a sad situation when old people had to work.

[@solrinin]

I would love to see what Ben thinks of retirement if he was made to do physical labor like a construction job for 5 years. My guess is he would say blue collar workers should get to retire in their 30s.

[@datiger39]

I bodybuild/lift weights religiously in my off time, and do manual labor the rest, I basically just eat sleep lift, and go to work 8-10 hour physically demanding job, and im about to turn 33 been doing it since 17, yes I am tired and my joints hurt lol.

[@camelopardalis84]

@@datiger39 You should simply get to work four hours a day and then go home. You're not working an office job or something with office duties that includes you needing to be reachable to clients or patients or whatever. Unless I imagine something else than I should when you say "physically demanding job".

[@theghost00]

Imagine working hard all your life, getting children, raising them to be decent people, building up the country - maybe serve the country - just to hear from your bratty grandchild/grand-grandchild - who never worked a day in their life - that you should’ve worked until 75. 💀

[@07Flash11MRC]

That's not what's happening, though. Capitalists are telling us all to work til we drop dead, not other working class people who know your struggle, because they're in the same position as you.

[@julesmasseffectmusic]

Gotta increase supply of labour to drive wages down so profits rise. Kids working from 12 in all jobs and people working to 80. 80 year old truck drivers and 12 year old builders sounds safe and awesome

[@xxvxxv5588]

High pension spendings and a relatively low retirement age are led to institutionalized ageism based on the privilege of elderly people and discrimination against the young and middle-aged people.

[@AkiVainio]

Once upon a time I met this American guy in Spain. He wondered how I can have 8 weeks of summer vacation, when according to studies it doesn't take more than 2 weeks to get the stress out to be 100% again. Sure, that might be right, but the way I see it, those summers are when I actually live my life. I like my job (which makes me lucky in itself), but it's not my life.

[@fosterc1308]

Im american, and I 100% agree with you, we should be able to have time to enjoy our lives, we should all have that right, especially when we put years into a company.

[@TableTopWolf1984]

As a manual garage worker who fixes buses, I've seen folk at our place who retired at 55, an I've seen the folk now who retire at 65, that 10 years makes a huge difference as your just not fit enough anymore, let alone working till 70, worked with 3 people who died on the way to work at 63-65, these twats have no idea what their talking about

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Usually kav has a few hate comments. Checked. Zero on this one. You're cooked benny : )

[@lloroshastar6347]

I was wondering the same thing. But I'm curious as to the comments under Ben's video, but I don't want to give him the views. I bet there is a pinned comment from someone giving an anecdote about how they are still working in their 80's and have never been happier or something like that.

[@devradenny8354]

😵 why is Ben’s mommy working outside the home and not shackled to her stove where all good ladies should be?!

[@SuperNicktendo]

My grandfather retired and was able to work part time as a handyman around a hospital just to keep busy. Mowing the lawn, putting grease on the doors. Just come in when he felt like it. He also built beautiful stained glass for anyone who asked for it, had an awesome model train set. In between that he would get in his camper trailer and go down to texas for the winter and run admin for the camping community to pay for his stay during the six months. Very simple life. Lived until 84 and was mobile until he literally was too sick.

[@marshallsweatherhiking1820]

Also great time to talk about this when life expectancy is going down, especially for the income bracket that relies on SS the most.

[@metademetra]

It's funny how Ben acknowledges that the founding fathers wrote laws based on what they experienced 250 years ago, but only when it's convenient

[@itsirrelephantman]

I'm from the UK and after brexit there was a lack of fruit pickers coming from the EU, and a Tory MP came up with the idea of pensioners doing the fruit picking, and obviously that went down like a lead balloon with the public. The fact that the idea was even given consideration is crazy lol You only get one life and capitalists want you to spend all of it making money for them, so they can enjoy the fruits of your labour in their lives. They don't care how many others have to live lives of soul destroying drudgery, as long as it makes it possible for them to live in luxury.

[@aliasfakename3159]

Ben Shapiro makes a good case for social revolution. I'm 24 and Ben says I should work for the next 60yrs, assuming I die at 84. Rich people my age will spend the rest of their lives doing whatever pleases them, but I'm supposed to spend the rest of my life making money for them to enjoy.

[@T.E.S.S.]

someone let me know if Benny Shatino ever does a regular day's work in his life

[@trappedinamerica7740]

This is all about stealing your social security

[@quitti]

My mom and stepdad separated in 2021 ... then he had open heart surgery. He went back to work as a trucker, realised he didnt want to do the job anymore and retired. After he retired he realised he couldn't live on his own cos $$$ And moved back in w mom cos her place is cheaper and less upkeep They live as roommates If my mom didnt have cheap housing, she'd definitely be working again ... they're both 70 this year. My father died before he hit 70 , granted he had substance problems but still These millionaires want us dead at our desks or on the streets .

[@greenghoul157]

What about people with dementia? It runs in my family how does he expect people who can't take care of themselves to work? What about people with disabilities? Does Ben even see them as living breathing people?

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

I doubt

[@lennysmileyface]

He said people shouldn't retire unless they have health problems though.

[@greenghoul157]

Isn't that most people past retirement age though?

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@lennysmileyface I watched a bunch of conservative videos. Their lack of compassion and errors turned me off. They were harsh on disabled people too. Such as making videos claiming people were faking neurodivergence and mental illness without evidence. Matt Walsh has a video on bed rotting where he didn't really think depression existed. He said people often used that as a excuse to be lazy. Many comments agreed with him.

[@camelopardalis84]

@@greenghoul157 Depends on the person and the type of work. I know of an about 105-year-old who was still chopping wood. To extrapolate from that he *should* have worked as a wood-chopper for some employer is of course Shapiro-level asinine. I need to add that this man was an old n*zi who died falling down a flight of stairs. Possibly by breaking his neck.

[@omgkatstephens]

My mom is eligible for about $500/month from social security, so of course she'll be working until she dies. She'll be 70 this year. Retirement has always been a dream sold to us by the rich so we'll just shut up and plug away making them money.

[@marcello7781]

They preach work till death yet they'd never wish that to their own elders. Also, the argument "elders should keep working because I know some elders who enjoy to work" is the same as "this racist cartoon isn't racist because my black friend finds it funny", a moot argument.

[@milksheihk]

My generation in Australia can't get a pension until 67 now, the generation after me can't get a pension until 70.

[@GeteMachine]

You can just tell what someone who's never worked for anything, let alone below the poverty line sounds like.

[@MasterTSayge]

My grandfather served the Army for 20 yrs and retired at age 44. He lived to be 95. He retired longer than he worked and all he did was travel, gamble, party, and family. He Loved Life!!! 🎉 So Ben Shapiro, STFU! Great video btw!

[@HaoWooiLim]

By Ben Shapiro's logic, as long as you don't have any health problem, you should continue to work, until you have health problems.

[@jamesaydelotte6269]

Ben shapiro should work in a saw mil for 16 hours a day 6 days a week and then consider what the retirement age should be.

[@speters17]

Someone introduce Benny Boy to the concept of a wealth tax. The Green Party (England & Wales) would raise £50bn a year with a wealth tax of just 1% on wealth over £10m, and 2% on wealth over £1bn.

[@jloiben12]

I have yet to hear anyone articulate why it is a bad thing for people to be able to retire at 65 using an internally valid, and good, argument

[@ghidxrah2102]

People who've never had a real job want everyone else to work about sums up the entirety of conservativism

[@conscientiousobjector5988]

At first the mantra "Work Makes You Free" seems absurdly ironic for someone of Shapiro's background...but upon further research, it makes all too disturbing sense. When I learned about Ayn Rand and her ideology, I was astonished. Cults keep coalescing around these old, destructive, psychopathic ideas. This is literally Satan in another guise and I've had enough of it already.

[@c.j.colbert6656]

It was interesting someone used a Houston AC repair person as an example. My sister works in the office of an AC repair company in Houston and she has told me the jobs of the repair guys are brutal in the summer. Even though she has a desk job she is 67 and ready to retire as soon as she financially can.

[@camelopardalis84]

Jobs including what months you work and which tasks you perform need to be flexible. And I don't mean in the "the employee gets to pick" sense. But in the "once you're 45, you don't work in the hottest weeks of the year anymore if all you could be told to do is climb into tight spaces in massive heat".

[@justint4049]

Yeah my company often ask in a survey does your job give you a sense of self fulfillment. I always mark it zero and they always ask how they could improve that number. I always say you can’t I don’t define my happiness by working a job. I do that for pay. Fulfillment is everything else I do

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

Some people even say they don't want their hobby to become a job, even if they could or people asked them to.

[@honeycake]

this makes me scared for my future

[@lloroshastar6347]

The world right now should do, that's why we the proletariat must have solidarity, because the rich want to work us to death.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

Watch Second Thought. There are people leaning towards socialism. There was a writers' strike in Hollywood.

[@wolfywolfson]

I have no faith that i will ever see the uk state pension. I'm trying to save as much as i can now to give me a chance of enjoying retirement.

[@alexbdagger]

work until you die sounds like an L take to me

[@07Flash11MRC]

Not really. Ben is telling others to work until they die, he's not talking about himself or his loved ones.

[@fawnieee]

​@@07Flash11MRC he wants other people to work until they unalive so he can reap the rewards and benefits from exploiting others.

[@fosterc1308]

Absoloutely not, we have a right to have retirement.

[@yourneighbourino424]

Retirement age should actually be earlier, especially given the development of automation, jobs are going to increasingly become specialised or require less labour input, there’s no reason to continue working people to death at this point

[@itskino8324]

I like how the title says "now" as if that wasn't always the case for them

[@lingo3125]

Seriously? Like the slogan of nazi concentration camps?

[@user-kl5jn4ew4p]

The reason Ben wants poor people to work longer is because he doesn't want a raise in the amount of income that is taxed for social security. To do this would take money out of poor Bennie's pocket, and we can't have that, can we?

[@user-kl5jn4ew4p]

Ben argues for multigenerational family living. That means that grandparents live with their children and grandchildren and are supported by them. But what about those who are only children and have no children of their own? Who are they going to rely on?

[@panqueque445]

Imagine thinking that your JOB is your "reason to live". I know there's people who are lucky enough to have a job they love and that it legitimately is a passion for them. But for most people that's not the case at all.

[@bgiv2010]

I like how he specifies, "everyone that I know *that's elderly* and retired..." As if he knows a lot of people who retired early.

[@TheMoonlightMage]

"If that's the case, Joe Biden should not be running for president" ummmm yeah we all think that BEN

[@EmoBearRights]

I used to work for heritage organisations and a lot of security guards and gallery attendants were old guys.

[@solrinin]

Ridley Scott can do what he does in his 80s because he just tells other people to do things (like people do to make AI art, but directors get a pass for some reason). Turns out is pretty easy to do that even when you're old and decrepit.

[@fawnieee]

Bold of you to assume every elderly person is going to have that position of privilege and power at that age.

[@camelopardalis84]

@@fawnieee What makes you think OP is assuming that?

[@ellunaguma7789]

My grandfather is an architect and still works. He is turning 90 next week. He loves his work and still gets commissions. But he is also healthy and fit. Most people are not working in such a creative field. Imagine 70 year old nurses or construction workers.

[@FeministCatLadySpinster]

Ben doesn't seem to realise that "retirement age" doesn't mean someone is going to FORCE you to retire.

[@Anthony-ku2bb]

Older people should be enjoying their lives through hobbies, hanging out with friends, traveling, and exercising in nice outdoors weather instead of working until you pass away. I believe with AI and technology we can lower the retirement age for people into a younger age.

[@ChristopheMassey]

Shapiro needs to get his facts right. The original retirement age was 55 not 65. Now the age for retirement is between 62 to 67, depending on when you are born. In my case it's 67

[@Alex-cw3rz]

The point is that from 20 to 65 as a collective we should put in enough minus the compound interest on whatever the pension was invested in would be enough for those 20 years does ben not know how money and numbers work?

[@BA11YO]

Playing Burnout 3 Takedown on the PS2 > Wageslavery

[@violettbun]

No cause why would i want to work for my whole life? I'm already miserable, why would I want to work till i die?! why would i throw away my life that could be used for hobbies, socialising and living nicely just to work all hours of the day and then get diagnosed with tension injuries?!

[@violettbun]

Like obv i will work and have a job but my entire life shouldnt be just work

[@allexand1]

The moment I saw Ben Shapiro say this I knew there would be a kavernacle response video any day now…

[@maxtornogood]

Hehe, even the cons are like "Ummmm no!"