Ben Shapiro's Problem with Universal Basic Income | Joe Rogan

[@zvavie--msmsmsms2933]

Ben “idonthavetimeforspacebars” shapiro

[@nurseangelo3730]

armando rascon lmao

[@realname3538]

Look up some songs by Bones

[@ts9971]

Hahahaaa

[@Maddiew534]

#1 best comment ever 🤣🤣🤣

[@Dannyboyy86]

@@realname3538 bone thugs and harmony you mean?

[@MacLethal]

One of the main issues with the disability program, as Yang has stated, is that people on disability are under constant governmental and societal scrutiny. If they go out and get a part time job, they suddenly appear fully able bodied and risk losing their disability. With UBI, it would be condition free. It would urge more people living on disability to apply themselves and find jobs/volunteer work without the risk of shame/being kicked off the program.

[@Brandon-eo9qo]

Mac lethal????? What the fuck didnt expect to see you here lmao good to see ya

[@Barchueetadonai]

JJoe Wait, do you think that by saying UBI is “debunked“ actually makes it so?

[@shinmatsunami]

Holy crap! Nice to see you, Mac!

[@isaelbateman3888]

Mac is the man!

[@bakedzachnotifsoff604]

i love this dumb idealogy. if you're working, you don't need to collect disability. my parents are both disabled and work without collecting it because there are people who are too disabled to work and need the money. if you can work at all, the point of disability is not for you.

[@etonblakerussell]

“I know you all lost your jobs. Here’s a thousand dollars.” That aged poorly

[@Sai4651]

It really did

[@vanad1um665]

*every month

[@ianlilley2577]

Well they force people to stop working so you either feed the people or said people will have your head on a pike

[@vanad1um665]

@@ianlilley2577 yeah you can't just lock down the country and then not do a ubi, rent freeze, mortgage freeze, etc.

[@ianlilley2577]

@@vanad1um665 unless you want a revolt, but generally people revolting against you isn't very good for your health

[@petermuller5086]

The fact that basic conversations like this are praised speaks volumes of where we are as a society

[@aaronrodgers5852]

Exactly and it’s sad. I once had a talk with a person at my college who was a primarily liberal person and I myself am conservative (all differences aside) the whole time we were speaking, there was this one thing that we both agreed on and were shocked about and that was how we both were finally able to find another person who would actually speak to the other without commencing into an ape-like tribal battle.

[@mattcarberry368]

@@aaronrodgers5852 - the two party system has dumbed America down by unfathomable measures.

[@_Turtle_420]

@@mattcarberry368 this

[@Hola-lc1ix]

Who do you know is having this convo? Donut

[@psilocypher]

@@mattcarberry368 And social media.. Conversations like this happen everyday, just not often on the internet (unless you know where to look) because it’s not dance videos or someone “getting owned.” It’s sad, but that’s what holds the attention of this dumbed down society.

[@mattduplissey]

“I haven’t really looked into this much except talking to Andrew Yang and Elon Musk” like imagine being able to say that

[@Alphabet7]

U Just did

[@lemon-james]

ScrapMetal 1 Joe said that not Ben

[@stupididiot3467]

Lol

[@aaancom]

Yea, they're both right wing morons.

[@stupididiot3467]

@@aaancom shut up idiot

[@originallimu]

I think what Ben is missing is how the current welfare system disincentivizes, even punishes individuals for improving their lot. I’ve seen firsthand how Social Security keeps my special needs sister in a chokehold- if she tried to get a job more than likely she will make over the meager monthly cap & lose her SSI benefits. As an intellectually disabled person with a limited skill set, it’s not easy to find the right job or a flexible employer so she cannot take that risk. Just working at a movie theater one year her income exceeded what she was “allowed” to make, so she spent the next year paying back SSI. Similarly, disadvantaged people have to weigh the risks of getting a poor paying job they could lose any day, & end up losing welfare too. With UBI, at least it’s no strings attached, & no fall-out from trying to get ahead. There is also an intrinsic dignity & sense of autonomy since you’ve been entrusted to do whatever you feel is in your own best interests. It’s a completely different animal in my view.

[@jackhall3959]

originallimu well said

[@shawnfreeman3932]

#ConservativesWithRealStoriesWhyWereProgressive

[@djcbanks]

originallimu, Im curious as to what the minimum wage is where you are? Here in Maryland the state minimum wage is $10.10/hour (Federal minimum wage is $7.25). Here in Maryland it would take 4.5 hours a week for a month to gross $180 and at the federal rate it would take 6.2 hours a week for a month. I agree with it being bullshit that there is a cap on income to receive benefits. SSI shouldn’t be given based on income. We pay into it for the benefit of being secure socially in case of disability or some extenuating case. It’s insurance and it’s one of the great scams our nation plays out on its citizens. It’s like your never allowed to have it easy ever in life even if only for a moment. Heaven for mind you get a little more than your supposed to, then you get punished and have to pay it back with interest, but our government can go ahead and take from that fund whenever they want without repercussion. It’s a messed up system in deed.

[@nicholasso8560]

Well, I have to ask. How would her movie theater wages have compared to SS had she not stopped working?

[@Freakingbean]

We need a welfare that is temporary and incentivizing for growth.

[@JohnnyLawrenceGaming]

I am a single dad raising our 3 year old. Its not just women who get burned but that's all we hear about.

[@ns7353]

J B you are a good man. Your son or daughter will be thankful

[@Tidewater_paddler]

Truth brother. Single fulltime dad here too. "We" Don't exist, sadly.

[@JohnnyLawrenceGaming]

@@ns7353 thanks kindly friend .That is my goal

[@JohnnyLawrenceGaming]

@@Tidewater_paddler my name is Justin also and good on ya man .We are the uncounted

[@domgaar9933]

J B Nobody says women are the only ones burned out.

[@areagh13]

This is how opposing views should be expressed, it's so much more beneficial than yelling over each other

[@stevonwhite8933]

@Jacobson Dan Alexander He’s definitely not conservative…

[@stevonwhite8933]

@Jacobson Dan Alexander And you don’t understand Communism(Which you assumed I was), talk about a ❄️…

[@CactusBrannigan]

@Jacobson Dan Alexander I wouldn’t say he’s not left or not right wing I think he’s a healthy mixture of both which I think is the most beneficial for society as a whole

[@jeremychicken3339]

@@stevonwhite8933 100 million dead. Tienanmen square. Cuban Refugees and the Uighur Genocide

[@noobslayer10101]

@@jeremychicken3339 ok how many dead cuz of slavery? Racism? American imperialism? A wasted war in the middle east that now they're realizing o shit we can't win this ever. No matter who we try to prop up. Almost like this has happened before. Vietnam anyone? Stfu blood is on both sides.

[@michaelfranco6244]

Nobody can live on 12k a year. 1k is meant to be a crutch for people to transition in this economy.

[@SCHMALLZZZ]

Why is it okay for Americans to receive a Universal Basic Income but we still have slave labour making clothes for us in China? There is nothing Universal about it. It is actually a National Basic Income...

[@herberthoover9095]

Alexander Schmall it’s not America’s job to fix China lmao

[@kmasonsos]

Alexander Schmall nigga huh

[@neilkadakia6204]

There is no crutch for stupidity

[@domgaar9933]

Alexander Schmall It’s called The Freedom Dividend, a version of UBI.

[@Pass_the_Hat]

Joe "UBI can buy a lot of DMT" Rogan

[@amsears60441]

That is offensive to my culture.

[@Noname-ho7ib]

Well fuck your culture lol

[@domnoya4130]

This guy talks like going to church would help someone quit a drug that creates so much pain in withdrawal that most users kill themselves before getting through being sick from stopping. It’s just unrealistic to expect someone to quit drugs that cause seizures and death from stopping. These people are homeless and use drugs because it’s a better life than working all day for minimum wage and living in a house that isn’t much better than a tent in the first place.

[@rynemorse9014]

@@domnoya4130 Not really as simple as “going to church will immediately help you get off drugs” it’s if you find a deeper meaning in your life (a job, family that matters to you etc) you will feel more purpose & more likely to beat the drugs. Especially when you instill that purpose into your children then they are less likely to be in that position. Next thing you know in one generation your family could go from poor drug attics to at least people who are striving to better theirselves. Ben just used the example of church as the vehicle to do that

[@engagementengagement8836]

@@rynemorse9014 did you even read what he said withdrawal causes seizures idiot

[@musicalnihilist5143]

I like how joe Rogan actually challenges Ben and maintains not just civility, but forces a dialogue.

[@willardsteele4857]

Not force. Ben is always willing to have a dialogue . On his interview he has had some left leaning people on and he lets them speak and is very deferential. He is like that on his interview show because as he says the point is to hear from the interview guest.

[@evenhartwick4422]

spoken like someone who's never actually heard Ben speak. when he speaks at colleges he literally wants the people who disagree with him at the front of the line. i love how Liberals think every conservative his just some loud mouthed idiot who won't let anyone talk, we want to speak with you! we want to debate your stupid opinions! its you guys who never want to talk to us

[@stupididiot6993]

@@evenhartwick4422 and I’m sure not all liberals think of you as loud mouth idiots

[@huggz7543]

@@evenhartwick4422 I love how you took a genuine compliment and turned it into something negative.

[@phxnigtmare]

@@huggz7543 and then he wonders why no one wants to talk to him lmao. Cant fix stupid

[@darrenmiller6927]

Thanks for having Ben Shapiro on. We need more societal debate and discussion among people of opposing views. Both are of you guys should be applauded. Very grown up dialogue. You guys give me hope.

[@DunkYTP]

Are you conservative

[@nigeladams8321]

The thing is Shapiro actively tries to avoid situations like this where he's confronted on a level playing field. He much prefers the power dynamic he gets when he's on stage of the microphone and gets to interrupt college students

[@jclive2860]

@@nigeladams8321 what the fuck? People ASK him to speak at colleges. People PAY him to go to the colleges. What are you on about? If Ben was really worried about that, he wouldn’t talk to someone as big as joe Rogan especially since joe Rogan has such a big audience. Your logic is honestly so flawed it seems like you have a complete lack of self and social awareness.

[@nigeladams8321]

@@jclive2860 being paid to talk does not mean that you're smart. And arguing with college students while he's in control of the microphone does not make Ben look clever it makes him look pathetic

[@destroytheboxes]

@@nigeladams8321uhhhhh. But he’s there. He did it. Avoid?

[@Snarkonymous]

Ben Shapiro always looks and talks like he's 5 minutes late to catch a bus.

[@jesmondo5785]

Underrated comment

[@augustinius6586]

he seems like someone who drank too much coffee and has to pee

[@Noah-hq5rs]

To me it reminds me of how Gordon Ramsay talks and dances around in the kitchen.

[@Treegrower]

Hahha this cracked me up

[@GunnzaEIR]

I read so many funny comments on KZbin recently

[@Christianjkd1]

Joe “I’m not going to bring up elk meat on this episode” Rogan

[@hyanreo2]

Underrated

[@coffeecomics3583]

420 Likes so I commented instead.

[@nisoldi]

its... entirely possible... 100% entirely possible that he does

[@Autonova]

Don't know this meme but I'm still lolling

[@remotecabinstudios]

Christian Perez or about how all dogs came from wolves

[@deelite19]

joe "resist the temptation to bring up dmt" rogan

[@jamespowell7231]

How long are people like you going to beat that horse. That shit it's soooooo old. It lost its humor the first day.

[@cia7832]

@@jamespowell7231 dude dmt lmao

[@Sean-xr1xj]

Damn never heard a Joe Rogan DMT joke before

[@steverichardson8080]

@@jamespowell7231 Ha, that shit never gets old!

[@novittujesjes]

I'm a kid who gets triggered everytime my internet dad mentions DMT..

[@quocient]

I've literally told my trucker friend to learn to code and that's what he did. Now he's coder.

[@thecurrentmoment]

If you said it with a hashtag when you told him that twitter would consider you to be using hate speech lol

[@basileusbasil4041]

hahaHAHAHAHA

[@Chris-hz8lj]

This is funny

[@SovereignStatesman]

If tell him to fuck off, would he be a fucker?

[@Chris-hz8lj]

@Luis Velazquez a machine that inputs coffee and outputs (sometimes)functional computer talk

[@LadyTink]

UBI isn't the solution... it's an ingredient Yang has repeatedly said that it was a foundation, not THE solution

[@YTSparty]

It depends on what the problem is. If you're talking potential anarchy and social upheaval, then UBI solves that.

[@nicholashernandez4611]

The Reason Why Guy UBI does nothing for people crippled by depression or smothered with a lack of purpose, only social programs can help those issues. Give an alcoholic an extra thousand dollars and they will just make themselves more drunk, extra money won’t deal with their problems. More people in the poorest areas of America will just get robbed more once a month, those who get to spend the money won’t spend it better because no one has shown them how. These are generalizations of course, but we need to deal with the general issues and THEN the specialized cases. People need purpose and a society that values purpose driven people. Government can’t do that well. Yang wants to do what politicians have always done - throw money at a problem until it fixes itself.

[@jakeneylon1853]

Controversial opinion incoming btw I feel that the best way to run a nation is for the nations government to be the primary employer. Of course you need international businesses to keep markets flowing but small businesses should be operated by a just government. Instead of having a welfare system in place (or like our Australian system Centerlink works) these people would instead be offered a variety of potential jobs created by the government and these can range from mining, clerical (desk jobs) , manufacturing, refining, teaching, marketing and research. They can choose any of these available jobs and the starting rates are all identical. When you climb the corporate ladder in each job your pay increases. Those who refuse to work are given minimal pay but will never have their options taken from them. With this kind of system in place it would allow these people who want to seek out work and purpose an easier transition into work while also giving them valuable experience. The reason these programs need to be government operated is bc it allows the government to tailor its demographics by setting what jobs are available. (Assuming the government isn’t inept but if we can ignore the financial issues with UBI we can ignore this). Additionally these government workplaces will be extremely profitable to the nation as all profits that don’t go into wages, maintenance and expansion go directly to the government. Essentially it’s a 100% tax rate. Also with politically operated industry it would allow for the individual workers more power in corporate matters as the leaders of these workplaces would be elected by the people and not shareholders. I’m willing to discuss more benefits in a book I’m writing called “The Rationalist Manifesto”. Which is the best attempt I can make at a perfect political system which I feel is balancing rationality (science and debate) with nationalism (strong morals and drive to better the state) I would very much enjoy a reply even if you just call me a faggot :)

[@nicholashernandez4611]

Jake Neylon I won’t call you a faggot unless you’re a bundle of sticks or see that word as empowering, I don’t even use it on homosexuals I despise. I see the government’s ability to run businesses in the American DMV and the VA centers, both plagued with bureaucrats and inefficient practices to keep themselves in their positions with no care to the people they should be helping. The most competent and effective workers/bosses are glossed over so that the most shrewd or conniving get ahead - this is not because of actual corruption but because moral/just people accept reality while those without such encumbrances can lie to their heart’s content and really, who wants to hear an ugly truth over a pretty lie? Now, apply that to the whole government-business you’re proposing. How about this for a counter offer: A government focused on the creation and protection of small businesses. Let’s pick an arbitrary amount - a million dollars - as the maximum a company can be worth until the government steps in and makes demands about restructuring and making space for more competition in the market. This would create the best system for ambitious and inventive entrepreneurs. Large corporations would be gutted, leaving a space for anyone who wishes to make it in any field. Massive chains of businesses will either be closed or restructured into smaller restaurants. Target, Walmart, Publix - all those stores will not exist as they are now. For the average worker, this is the best scenario - anyone could be one promotion or innovation away from being a success! International businesses would have to adopt this style of business if they wanted to continue serving Americans, which could open several opportunities for our citizens when the markets begin to recover from the inevitable instability that will result from the change in market design. The most important thing: It provides an avenue for EVERYONE to have purpose in their lives AND puts a ceiling on success that ANYONE could reach with drive and ambition (short of the absolute bottom 1%, but neither of our programs explicitly help them anyway). If that’s too far, we can make it where a tax increase is added as the company becomes more successful to disincentivize massive corporations. Large enough companies would suffer considerably, making way for smaller businesses to work while the near monopolies are throttled. Punishing the big bullies while allowing the small guy to succeed - the American dream. I’ll call it the New American Plan, find it in all fine book stores around the time of my presidential candidacy.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

$1000.00/mo for every adult over 18 would be a MASSIVE failure... crime, civic problems, food shortages, human trafficking, etc. Money will not resolve these soc problems ...

[@toyngracia4877]

when Shapiro says "they turned the frogs gay" you can see Joe have a flashback to the Alex Jones interview

[@rudystraight1750]

Human pheromones. They used them in the Vietnam war. Know ur history. Without it u wont know shit ad to why things are intentionally the way they are

[@vincent3060]

Joe Rogan is not allowed to talk about that. He didn't laugh, because he is not suppose to encourage anything to do with the government's agenda to turn everyone gay to destabilize the Family. Because the American Family from the 1900s was a structure where a Mom and Dad both passed on knowledge and Wisdom to their genetic offspring. And the New World Order can't take over the world without taking over people's minds, and they can't take over people's minds if everyone got knowledge of the truth about this world and wisdom from both their Mom and Dad. So the whole putting chemicals in the water to cause a hormonal imbalance in people to turn the human population gay, is to end the traditional Family, to stop knowledge and wisdom from passing down to the next Generation. To dumb down society. And to take away high testosterone, which is known by the radical left as toxic masculinity. You know masculinity, that thing that makes Men brave enough to stand up against a tyrannical government. So Joe Rogan can't talk about that. Or he loses his job if he talks about anything to do with the gay agenda. Joe is not a sell out as much as he is scared of the people that rule the world, because Joe has a lot to lose. So he is doing the smart thing to do. Not the right thing to do by keeping his mouth shut, but the smart thing to do is for him to keep his mouth shut so that he can keep his job, house, cars, bank account, and wife and kids. You would keep your mouth shut too if you were Joe and you loved your Family.

[@oxstr8upgreekxo730]

"I know I'm alittle retarded". -Alex Jones

[@vincent3060]

@DeadMemes NeedToStayDead Your reply is to vague, not specific enough, in the sense that you are not making it clear what exactly I said that you are replying to. I don't know the context of your reply, I don't know what you are replying to, so I don't get what you're saying. As for our brain being programmable, well you do know that our brain is nothing more than an organic computer, with software and apps aka education and skills, and yes there are some misinformation and misunderstanding aka viruses in our minds that pollute the rest of the accurate information floating around in our synapses. Haven't you ever heard of Television programming? They can program your brain like a coder computer scientist can program a computer. Human beings are not inherently stupid, that is a new phenomenon, caused by TV, news propaganda, movie propaganda, and yes, even propaganda in textbooks in the public schools we go to. Here is the neat thing about being human, you can program yourself by studying to become whoever you want in life. 1 person can read the Bible, another person to Koran, another the Torah, another the Buddhist Bible Tripotaka, another a course on evolutionary biology. Another 4 years in college physics another in ancient History. And 90% of the population will take a course on Hollywood propaganda. We all choose what we study, we are always learning. Joe Rogan is no different, he learned a lot of truth and lot of bullshit too. It's hard to admit when you ate wrong. If you learn anything from me, know this. We are all organic computers, and all of us, including you and me, and Joe Rogan and Stephen Hawking, and Richard Dawkins, the President, the Pope and the Queen. ALL of US. WE have all been programmed with truth and lies at the same time. I don't what I believe is true that might be incorrect, and what I believe is correct that might be a lie that someone said at some point in History that I now to be truth. And you Sir, you don't know for sure if everything you believe is actually true. There is 3 sides to every story. The truth, the lie, and the real reason based on money. At the end of the day Joe is loyal to money more than he loyal to you. Truth and lies, that's irrelevant. Money, profit, obtaining resources 9 out of 10 is everyone's primary motive to do and say what they do and say. If money didn't exist, 99% of lies ever made in the History of Humanity would never have been said or written. Everyone is an opportunist, except for your Mom and if you're lucky enough to grow up with your biological Dad, than in life you can only trust your Mom and Dad who bought you into this world, and your Body is part of theirs. So since they are loyal to themselves chances are that they are loyal to your wellbeing. But apart from your pparents who sincerely love you, no one else in this world has your best interest in mind 100% of the time. Trust no one! Because everyone's loyalty is to money, not to you.

[@RoachMcToast]

Vincent There are conspiracies, and there are conspiracy theories. There’s conspiracy theorists too. I say with this with all the humanly concern and seriousness I can muster, are you off your meds? If so please take them.

[@jackcoleman5955]

Wonderful to see two people calmly discuss and debate real solutions to real societal problems!

[@milenaseymour446]

When people loose jobs they loose purpose! Very true!!! I've been on unemployment for 9 months due to Covid and I feel the depression getting deeper. Keeping busy in a purposeful way is sooo crucial for society!

[@MrWilly2204]

If you believe in the Bible, even Adam and Eve worked in the garden, which was literally a perfect world. Work gives human beings purpose. That’s how God designed us.

[@papishampoo7892]

Lose*

[@BC4SelfImprovement]

@@MrWilly2204 who designed God?

[@MrWilly2204]

@@BC4SelfImprovement God has no beginning and no end. He’s always existed. Your question is irrelevant.

[@BC4SelfImprovement]

@@MrWilly2204 how do you know? Oh right belief

[@username6333]

Ben "didn't try to agrue these point in front of Andrew Yang" Shapiro

[@RobertZemeckis2025]

atleast he come to ben's show bcoz yang hopes ben wont confront his ideology

[@stewpidasso288]

It's called, "picking your battles." When you present a valid counter to someone who has written a book on their philosophy, the writer grasps at straws, creates false comparisons, and becomes angry. This is not what you want to do when hosting a guest. Ben is simply being courteous during his interactions with Yang. Go watch the video, you will see that he DID touch on these arguments in a very respectful way.

[@pranav3848]

His Daily Wired appearance was an interview, not a debate

[@AM-cj1tw]

Glad because we were able to hear Yang elaborate In other aspects that was a very good interview

[@jacoblee5796]

People are either missing the point or just don't want to understand it. Yang is a genius, literally a genius. Ben didn't really counter his idea because Yang would have owned him!

[@hadipawar2539]

"Learn to code is something to mock people with". Me a coder: *cries in background*

[@robalexnat]

Imagine how I feel when they talk about the threat of automation (as an AI researcher/engineer)

[@joshuaboulton36]

@@robalexnat what does your research, and the study that got you into it, focus on specifically? I'm an undergrad newbie studying various subjects related to artificial intelligence, and I really want to hear from people working in those fields and what they think about the control problem, industry automation, and so on. Thanks.

[@robalexnat]

@@joshuaboulton36 cool, where/what are you studying? if ure interested in AI i recommend a v strong foundation in math (namely: Discrete, Linear, Calc, Probability and Stats for starters). Also what control problem are you referring to?

[@joshuaboulton36]

@@robalexnat I'm a philosophy major in New Zealand, but I include other subjects in my degree program, and have studied software development in the past. For example I've done some discrete math, calculus, linear algebra, and full stack software engineering. This semester I've studying cognitive psychology, Turing, and epistemology and metaphysics. I have courses in automata, logic, discrete math, algorithms, AI programming, Chinese politics, economics, and a few others planned for the rest of my degree, but have already started studying these things by myself. The rest are in most subfields of philosophy. By 'control problem' I'm referring broadly to the concerns of individuals like Nick Bostrom, regarding our ability to handle potential dangers of artificial and/or superintelligences in the future. My main interests in philosophy are epistemology, metaphysics, philosophy of mathematics, philosophy of science, logic, metaethics, philosophy of language (ish - think Wittgenstein etc.), philosophy of mind, and, well, philosophy of artificial intelligence.

[@robalexnat]

@@joshuaboulton36 just saw this. those seem a lot of diverse subjects for an undergrad, im not sure how deep you're going into each considering they are p dense fields. that being said im glad youve taken an interest as it will benefit u in a larger scope, I too studied cognitive psych in my free time for different reasons and believe it helps in our decision making. For the control problem, really isnt a problem is it? You will have the first few to reach the singularity to try and abuse it. However like any successful arms race, there is more than one. The implication I feel is a greater danger of governmental control over citizens, and since governments are made of humans that change, at what point are we being run by the AI? But you can argue the same things about the systems we have in place already: and the truth is is that its a very potent and powerful weapon, but one that also works for what it is programmed. Fortunately, most who can harness that power arent in search of anarchy, however instead we face the danger of 24/7 surveillance, and with integrated tech, being able to read our minds soon, as well. Just some food for thought, if you wanna chat here is my email: [e-mail]

[@MrAginor]

Yea the US probably wont have some rare black swan event that leads to a huge spike in unemployment and causes the government to send out checks......that would be crazy!

[@Ramon-gg3bd]

Haha, timing.. "you shall have UBI or you shall starve" Soon we'll get paid in sacks of rice.

[@WarPigRS]

Aged like milk

[@johnpatterson4272]

The US, like Canada, like the UK and the rest of the free world are now under an 'invented and globally staged EVENT' that will hasten the next phase of human enslavement that is U.B.I.

[@mrike5651]

This has aged well

[@Kitty_Kankles]

Well, hindsight is 2020, after all. Shapiro specifically mentioned that with respect to people becoming unemployed due to automation though. Gotta keep everything in context.

[@sohoyankee66]

I love when these two get together. I hope to keep seeing Ben on this show regularly.

[@emfromthechi]

Ben "theyre not writing poems, theyre doing opioids" Shapiro

[@seankeating5005]

They dont realize that every opioid is it's own poem, maaaaaan.

[@INeedsMoneys]

Ben is so fucking lost man.. ofc they dont. Ubi hasnt been implemented yet. When it does, they will.

[@INeedsMoneys]

@gillysuit2 im on all kinds of drugs. And i am also a music producer. I am a painter (art). I play football. I love life. I do all kinds of drugs. What do you base your shit on? Government propaganda?

[@choebee]

@@INeedsMoneys You probably had art and music tendencies and urges before you went down the drug rabbit hole. Hes trying to say that people that are not musically or art inclined will all of a sudden start producing this with more money

[@johndough6225]

Wtf why can't these people just find hobbies? Stop indirectly forcing everyone to work shitty 40-hour jobs, fuck.

[@dequan300]

I'm a trucker whose learning to code and I'm loving it.

[@boganboi4395]

Fuck yea dude

[@prenomnom6203]

learn to grammar

[@dequan300]

@@prenomnom6203 thanks :)

[@1freesoul2another]

Good job. But if everyone did that, you would be out of a job

[@guisrtr5832]

We dont need no obligatory education. Everyone should have the right to choose. We were obligated to be born. Ps: I am Mechatronics Engineering student.

[@trucknorris387]

I respect joe. He aligns more with the left but he isn’t afraid to have a conversation with the opposing view point.

[@pungency101]

I lost my job because of lockdown and haven't had any new opportunities since. Decided it was time to start growing weed. Its lockdown proof. Its cash only with no tax, I work from home and I keep people happy. Best decision my government made for me.

[@damnitChadwick]

Me too, best idea I have ever had.

[@DoctorCyan]

Cheers!

[@luminaryeternal7016]

Reporting u to the authorities

[@Aamirrockin]

Reporting you to Jesus.

[@chronormcgregor]

Same brother 💪🌱

[@PrecisionCalc]

I would’ve absolutely loved to see Elon Musk and Ben Shapiro discuss this subject one on one

[@goodstuffpastreno]

Vault 614 well.. it’s more and more likely to happen with the internet. Thank you internet.

[@joker-pilled5892]

@@aron6998 You're a commie

[@astayunothefirsr1847]

Vault 614 he ain’t just powerful lol what you think he’s stupid and reached that level of wealth and power

[@360.Tapestry]

@@astayunothefirsr1847 you don't have to be that smart. you just need to be smarter than a million other people, which is reasonably feasible for a lot of people

[@TexasGTO]

Elon is smart but Ben can debate. Two different things.

[@kevinriordan5022]

casual.. I don't know much about this, I just spoke with Elon Musk about it..

[@lauralil6886]

its a bad ass name drop though.

[@matthewmajorweenus6212]

rob saxon sure, if youre a scrub and are swayed by an appeal to authority argument

[@dancemattdanceify]

@The Other Point Of View you must have really low expectations of people then. Any person should be encouraged to partake in these sorts of discussions. Maybe you don't understand because you aren't a very smart person? Or you don't agree with Ben's opinion and wish he wouldn't voice it? Kind of ironic you're watching a podcaster that actively encourages open dialogue between people.

[@weixianng]

Joe Rogan literally had a presidential candidate who runs on UBI on his show

[@berserksun]

As a huge fan of Elon Musk, I think Ben is right on this issue.

[@amadddd0]

life tip: We all gotta work, true, but work should not be your purpose, at best they should align.

[@mantrajojo4163]

I mean this is an interesting topic. I think what work is essentially the modern world's supplement to what would've been your role as a tribal member 50,000 years ago. My guess is, what you did for "work" in the tribe gave you purpose, because the fruits of your labor were tangible, in that it directly affected the people of your community eg. (hunting,farming,teaching kids). So I think people may be hardwired to expect what they do to give them meaning, because that is the world the human brain evolved in. Since we are largely disconnected from our work, we don't really know the people whom our work affects, it cannot provide that sense of meaning. So people are left trying to supplement that need for meaning elsewhere. Perhaps you could say though that this is an opportunity for people to find purpose on a deeper level, but I wonder if that is essentially, expecting the biology of your brain to change.

[@amatthew1231]

life tip: free money from the government won't cure your drug addiction.

[@AnonURnot]

Amatthew123 Shore

[@jackjon7763]

Yuon Flemming well no shit. But you don’t deserve money for breathing. Learn a skill or a trade that you love doing. “If you do what you love you will never work a day in your life.”

[@my_temporary_name]

What should be our purpose, oh Enlightened One?

[@thumbsocial6754]

I would love Ben Shapiro to discuss the cost of keeping someone in jail lol

[@jeffreymedeiros6253]

5.56 and .223 are so much cheaper

[@brucetucker4847]

if they're violent criminals, measure it against the cost of the crimes they'll commit if you let them out. I guarantee you prison is cheaper. No one ever seems to analyze it in those terms.

[@EpicAsshole]

Not when that becomes the norm.

[@maxwell8758]

@@EpicAsshole Yes it does! Especially if it becomes the norm.

[@alexdermer9827]

@@brucetucker4847 completely true. But there's def a middle ground where violent offenders should be kept off the streets but nonviolent offenders should be given better sentences and more opportunities. For example, theres no reason anyone should be in prison for drug possession.

[@jolttsp]

I've been alive 40 years. I've never had a job give me purpose. Having kids have me purpose, and I didn't learn that til 4 years ago. Wasted a lot of life making others richer while fruitlessly searching for purpose.

[@fortesfortunaadiuvat2181]

I have kids and between me and you I fucking hate them. Biggest regret in my life

[@jolttsp]

@@fortesfortunaadiuvat2181 I understand that. Society has done a horrible job preparing people for parenthood. I was in the fortunate position of having the means to do many of the things I thought might make me happy, and for long enough, to discover I was still empty. My advice is to forget about yourself to a great extent. Spend your energy helping them learn. Empathize with them and be patient. Remember the things you struggled with coming up, and do what you can to make sure they don't have the same struggles. Be honest with them, even brutally, so they can always trust you. Look for opportunity you can provide them. And then when they're teenagers they'll still hate you and think you're stupid anyway. But as Jim Jeffries says, then they'll look like the asshole

[@capitalclayton2474]

Martin Polly well don’t show that to your kids, allow them to grow up in a healthy environment and affirm to them that they can be very rich and successful, it can be the greatest investment when your kids don’t put you in a retirement home when your too old to help yourself. Take care

[@dogecoinceo5062]

cool story bro

[@Any1SL]

@@jolttsp I'm 37. I've been working low skilled jobs from age 16 - 32 and they never gave me purpose. However I've finally got a job as a software developer and it gives me a sense of pride. Not just because of a pay increase but because I'm building something really neat as opposed to the boring assembly line I was working in my 5 years.

[@moosegoose1282]

Appreciate joe for backing Andrew or maybe just playing the devil’s advocate. Great podcast.

[@noahgarcia5951]

Appreciate ben for trying to educate joe rogan a little

[@dewaynethomas3122]

@@noahgarcia5951 Cept Ben is a far right shill. He acted sane during his Yang interview and then goes and shills on Rogan. And whenever people call him out on his bullshit he retracts it and pretends it never happened. Yang already said he wants to legalize opioids so that people aren't worried about going to prison when they want to reach out for help. And that is jsut the beginning.

[@Snowmon89]

@Dewayne Thomas. First of all, "Far Right" is not a thing. Not really. Even if it was (like Nazis), Ben is a Jew. (Also, in my opinion the actions of said "Far Right" Nazis are far more reflected by the current day Far Left, than they do the Right. Meaning more governmental control, Confinsation of guns, a single Political Party controled country, Socialist programs and an extreme hatred toward a single race of people as blaming them for the cause of all the problems. In the Left's case this means "Whites".) Second, Ben "acted sane" as you put it because that's what Interveiwers are Supposed to do. Ask questions of the person that they're interveiwing and then keep their mouths shut. Unlike what the Left has been doing which is demonize anything you have to say that doesn't apply to the narative that they want you to say. Ask any documentarian. Heck ask Casey Jay why she kept her mouth shut when she was doing all of her interveiws despite she hated what the MRA's had to say. (Her TedEd Talk can be found here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYiwpq2ehr19pbs ) Third, "whenever people call him out on his bullshit", you mean whenever people try to tell Ben what he said incorrectly? Like how you call what Ben did here with Rogan as "shilling". Or perhaps durring the times where he's quoted saying something before (as in years prior) without any regard that time has passed by. Thus, mistakes (if any) are discovered and retracted properly, or opinions have changed due to new facts that have been discovered. Forth, Ben has always had this opinion Reguardless of Yang's existence and he is raising the exact same points that any sane person would on the topics. (Heck, there are a number of things that I noticed about his interveiw with Yang. For starters, Yang never actually Answers the questions that he's asked. He tells a story, vaguely mentions the topic, but never really answers.)

[@callanc3925]

@@Snowmon89 yeah apparently having conservative views makes you far right nowadays

[@bogartchichi]

Shapiro the robot

[@ep6507]

Ben always sounds like his voice is going 1.5 x’s normal speed.

[@TheBlomberFactory]

If you slow the video down ben shapiro speaks backwards it's weird

[@earsonlyaudio887]

My parents had just turned 17, my mom litterally 1 week before my sister was born... over a month early and blind. They both dropped out of high school, my dad went to work as a mechanic and my mom stayed home. By the time they were 22, they had 3 kids, 2 of whom were blind, but they didn't feel that they could demand our completion of school if neither of them had done it, so as the youngest, when I was around 5 or 6, they both went back to night school and completed their educations. After that, my dad got his college degree from home, all while working 50 or more hours a week. Yes, people make mistakes, but when you get pregnant, it's time to start adulting. Sex is an adult activity, so if you're not adult enough to take on the possible consequences of it, you're not adult enough to do it. Sometimes you have to sacrifice, whether it's money, education, dreams, but someone who isn't willing to sacrifice for the good of their children needs to work on how to be a good human. My parents are still together 45 years later. They are happy and successful with my dad just a few years from a well deserved retirement. They both grew up very poor, children of manual laborers with stay at home moms. They put off their needs and wants to make sure we kids had new school clothes and occasionally things like expensive sneakers. They're empty nesters now, with 3 happy and successful children and they're living the dream. If you make a baby, take care of it before yourself. Pretty simple.

[@A55VOILATOR]

That is an amazing and uplifting story, but the situation now is waaaaayyy different. For example, in the 1960s, it would've cost ~100,000 of TODAYS moneys to buy a home, where as the same home is now selling for ~220,000.

[@monke204ah]

@@A55VOILATOR Average salary in 1960 was $5,600 now it is $44,225. That's a ratio of 17,86 to 4,97 which means that it is 3,59x cheaper to buy a house today. So yes, you are right when you say the situation is waaaaayyy different. Because it is easier.

[@slchance8839]

@@monke204ah well said. the math is there. and who says you're entitled to owning property? renting isnt great, but if you didnt invest in yourself the same degree as a person who became an accountant or welder why should you get the same home ownership reward?

[@monke204ah]

@@slchance8839 exactly

[@patriot9487]

@@monke204ah lol what? it's not easier at all, housing is a serious issue for my generation. How old are you?

[@Timorio]

86% of people dislike their work, yet these disliked jobs are their purpose in life? Hmm.

[@reddog6229]

No it makes sense. That job may suck, but it keeps you off the streets, to put on the table. Without it your screwed.

[@rekrn12345]

It's a reason to get up and go. The purpose derived from that check is usually being the provider.

[@shaywright6608]

Why should ug have to kill elk. Not make ug happy. Ug not want kill elk. -A caveman who died of starvation

[@JCW80]

The basic purpose of life is survival of self and of species - food, shelter, procreation. A job provides money which provides food and shelter for ourselves and our offspring. We all want to "like" our jobs ideally, but that is far secondary to survival and is actually a complete luxury.

[@Timorio]

@@JCW80 We exist in order to exist, eh? Wow, that's persuasive and insightful. You cured my existential dread!

[@ashugart]

Learn to code is the modern day let them eat cake.

[@gabrielfraser2109]

I mean, I'm a programmer. It's a satisfying career, and it's totally possible to get into it without a degree, but it's not a universal solution to the current job crisis. If a friend who was good at problem solving wanted to know what to do with their life, I'd tell them to try Python or Kotlin, maybe there's a career in there for them. But it would be downright delusional to recommend this to an entire classroom, never mind an entire online audience, we can't have a fucking software-based economy. I once saw some guy on KZbin respond to the complaint that McDonald's workers don't get vacation time with "But the managers do, so you just need to be promoted to manager". Right, let's just have everyone be managers. Finally, a lot of conservatives comment on the absurd cost of university with "If you work hard, you'll get a scholarship". But everyone fucking knows scholarships are only for the best 5-10%, there aren't nearly enough for everyone.

[@shaneviola8848]

@@gabrielfraser2109 No one ever said it was the end-all solution for unemployment. A private company teachers coal miners to code and gets them jobs in the field. The media reported it on it because they found the story intriguing. Then conservative snowflakes wined and said but we all can't learn to code. No one ever said that. No one ever said all unemployment could be solved by learning to code. All it ever was, was a story about how a company tried to help unemployed previous coal miners get jobs from learning to code. It was an overreaction to a simple story.

[@hubertflorianczyk9960]

Let them eat cake was actually fake and never said by Marie Antoinette though

[@grzyruth9205]

Well other jobs are just as important

[@dumpeeplarfunny]

Except that coding provides income, like many other jobs that anyone can do, and "cake" was literally the crap burned onto a pan when making bread.

[@mycoinsyourpurse2244]

I feel like Ben Shapiro has a problem with everything.

[@pad9x]

this is what happens when you don't have real big problems in your own personal life. and a lot of times it's because you come from privilege.

[@HelloItsMe000]

gb997 what😂😂

[@YourDadVR]

Your mom has a problem with everything.

[@meggypeggy7960]

xTronKillmaster ooh got ‘em

[@mycoinsyourpurse2244]

Damn, ​xTronKillmaster out here with the sick burns.

[@keimoclayton2844]

I like how Joe brings up the fact that there are people who need it and will use it wisely. Two words. Personal responsibility.

[@smansam]

It’s the same argument about winning the lottery and losing it all like an idiot, some people will and some won’t. Personal responsibility. Some people actually would appreciate the opportunity

[@testacals]

yeah some people are at )0 . They can't move when there at 0

[@karaokeandrandomclips]

@Lujack Shaw How do you know that? If there's no restrictions, some people will feed their addictions. Young people who've never worked before may waste it, since they didn't earn the money themselves and don't appreciate the value.

[@fankgaming7753]

Most don't. When the most prove to be a problem over the few, sorry the few, you're SOL.

[@mikesuarez7539]

In what carnival circus of a world is $250 a week ($1,000 a month) enough to make people stop working? I can barely survive on $400 a week.

[@opriax423]

Your standard of living is too high

[@tmcfootball96]

You can't even survive off $800 a week in Miami or San Francisco.

[@tmcfootball96]

@biscuit depending where you live at, $400 a week is barely surviving.

[@stonesnake2444]

@@tmcfootball96 yeah but if you get the money anyways you don't have to live somewhere that expensive, since you are not bound by a job.

[@GR-uc1gq]

@@stonesnake2444 not easy to do. Takes a bit of planning to do. But people are lazy as hell

[@johng8671]

Ben "Don't put it there without that thing on it" Shapiro

[@WinSDFina]

John G Ben “it’s no f ing science” Shapiro

[@johng8671]

If you like it then you better put that thing on it, if you like it then you better put that thing on it - benyonce

[@neoncorolla6917]

But my peepee feels nothing if i put a rubber on it....*sad face*

[@Zyborggian]

@@neoncorolla6917 LOL

[@gasbaroni]

@Absolute Mad Lad There's no such thing as Palestinians, they're just Arabs.

[@Im_George]

I went to college for automation. I'm set for the future.

[@officialspaceefrain]

Yep, remember to automate the student debt payments too. I'm joking. That's the future.

[@Im_George]

@@officialspaceefrain I have no student debt

[@matthewarnold4557]

What if the robots can build themselves????

[@Im_George]

@@matthewarnold4557 Then we're definitely going to lose the war against them and become their slaves

[@johnjungkook2721]

@@Im_George So daddy payed for it, then. That's cute. It also makes your opinion irrelevant.

[@seventhseventhnineteen2215]

I find it interesting that Ben is critical of UBI basing its success on people making the right decisions with money (they'd use it in ways that benefits nobody) but he also bases the concept of proper child raising by the parents staying together (even though one could be abusive, a drug addict, etc). Basically, both are hopeful that a good scenario plays out for them to work and both can fail because they don't.

[@asanelson6029]

I keep waiting for Ben to say “But first”

[@rc0ll18]

"Let's talk about your "

[@KouichiU]

Let's talk about your spouse,, but first, did you know my wife is a doctor

[@yalltoiletsbtalkinshit9912]

Longing for those sweet, sweet promo codes😆😆😆

[@darwinjina]

New drinking game?

[@nicktopinoplus]

"Lets talk about you're sleep quality..."

[@wvlzqz1949]

If ben spoke spanish that fast my head would explode

[@user-zy9yg2eu5t]

That's how Spanish sounds

[@What7641]

they are called Cubans and Chileans

[@therealone4113]

lmfao

[@ianutube22]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIeXmq14iNZspMk this guy can rattle off non sense pretty fast. If you can understand what he's saying he's actually hilarious :'D

[@gabrielfernandez4897]

@@What7641 I'm half Cuban, half Puerto Rican and grew up near a lot of Dominicans... I still don't know what the fuck Chileans are saying XD

[@yvonnehollis6199]

Ive been existing on 11k a year for 16 years on disability, hardly a living

[@baileymaloney1961]

Yang 2024 I heard Andrew Yang actually quote multiple times that it would replace other benefits including disability & SS.

[@baileymaloney1961]

Yang 2024 Ahh I was for it if it replaced programs but that shit ain’t gon work financially. There’s barely enough money for it to work with cutting all benefits, not even close without cutting.

[@Gates2Aion]

misfit 25 i used to only spend around max-ish 6k a year however i live with my parents i managed to save around 70k in 5 years :) could be around 100k if i was Single and didn’t went out as much as i did when i was younger.

[@hagenlens1403]

@@misfit2529 Probably It wouldn't come on top of the income. UBI will simply replace the well fare etc.

[@Gates2Aion]

@James Robert it's easy to save and not put your happiness on materialist things. everyone is all sh@ting bricks with this pandemic because of wrong life choices. and the ones that get easily offended are the people that make excesses. people that believe earning 16k for 10+ years and complaining about not living just need to suck it up. i'm dyslexic but I still got my dream job AND a side business selling stuff. I only make around £100 on that business it but it's a start.

[@mmmspicymeme1003]

Raising taxes for people with more money is wrong

[@HyenDry]

This is the one time I'm listening to Ben and clearly seeing him not understand something, the fact that he thinks computers NEED an operator for every computer is just absolute bonkers...

[@Chipwhitley274]

Is it also the first time you created a Straw-man mischaracterization of his argument? Because I think that is the real problem you've encountered.

[@jadzeineddine9687]

@@Chipwhitley274 It is true that AI will create new jobs. But the question is: how many new jobs will it create relative to how much it replaces?

[@sebastianlopez9222]

Jad Zeineddine I mean truck driving is the biggest job in 29 states

[@updod88]

@@jadzeineddine9687 less than the jobs all of technology already stole. I don't see Yang being against trucks, agriculture machines, literally everything we created. And people forget also about something: IT WILL TAKE OUT JOBS AND THATS OKAAAAAY. That's the main point of technology advancement, we will need to work less to make the same or more products. Everything will become cheap as fuck, and you most likely won't even need to work 8hrs per day to buy the same things you can w/ today. Just think about something : WHY ARE JOBS MADE? To produce. If we can have production w/o human power, THATS AMAZING. The poor will be as rich as rich people today. No need to worry. And that WONT make more inequality. Before capitalism, the difference between a poor guy and a rich guy was : One has food, the other didnt. One had shelter, other didnt. One had clothes, the other didnt. Currently, the difference is just, for most people, the type of clothes or shelter. We are all rich as fuck when compared to 300 years ago.

[@guitaraholic83]

AI cannot move 40k lb truck loads state to state unless we start seeing self driving tractor trailers and ships moving ocean containers. Does AI also have the ability to load trailers and ocean containers? Perhaps eventually. I am on board with technology improving cars, transportation, and shipping for sure, but I don’t believe that are taking truck drivers jobs just yet.

[@rahb641]

Shapiro is very polarizing, i hear some things he says and my eyes roll into the back of my head and the other times i uncontrollably nod my head in agreement

[@davidsteege2570]

Lol, he's banking off the fact that he not dumb enough to lose arguments against identity politics loving college students but dumb enough to be entertaining enough to make fun of.

[@t0rm13]

nuanced is the word you were looking for.

[@blidrob]

Damn humans

[@mrjpb23]

Shapiro is just a troll pretending to be an intellectual. He’s never said an intelligent thing in his entire life, he just says stuff that pisses off sjws (which is easy as fuck), which earns him a following of dummies who he can convince he’s somehow smart.

[@unhallowed45]

Same lol

[@pshpsh5247]

Joe "I change my views based on who I'm interviewing" Rogan

[@norachen7785]

That's so true.

[@thevettegetsitwett]

Normal people can change their mind when given new facts about something.

[@s0shu342]

Joe "I change my opinions whenever new information is presented to me" rogan

[@samhorne3583]

Ben loves butt

[@Drog007]

It's just his interviewing strategy to facilitate getting to the base of his guest's views and facilitating them talking about it.

[@bayamonrican]

I agree with Ben on this one. I was an accident baby lol my parents had a shot gun wedding and 2yrs later they divorced. My dad always blamed my mom for "getting pregnant." My dad is a traditional guy and my mom was a party girl. He was an idiot for not taking responsibility for not using a condom and she was an idiot for having raw sex with a guy she hardly knew. As a result, I grew up with a dad either in Germany or across the country (Army). My mom was out working, NEVER took welfare and I been cooking and cleaning for myself since I was 6. I was ALWAYS alone and unattended. No one to be there emotionally, no help with school work, no one to monitor my safety, and I was literally alone all day except for when I went to school. Where I had to walk rain, snow or shine. Past drug dealers and gang members; alone. When my mom was off from work... she was busy partying and dating new guys. Apart of me can't imagine my parents together because my dad is traditional and my mom... not lol but wish they put those issues aside for the sake of not leaving me neglected. There was no physical or drug abuse. Problems that I think are not big problems. Wish people thought of those things before bringing children in the world.

[@ifoundthistoday]

my story is almost the same without the drug dealers and my parents were married but they were gone working all the time ... so I was left on my own most of the time ... going to school all that but I have good memories from this and it made me more self sufficient ... so your upbringing is a negative memory for you and for me it was like Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, and I stopped blaming my parents a long long time ago ...

[@bayamonrican]

@@ifoundthistoday I stop blaming my parents a long time ago but I do share my experiences with young adults. I learned from my parents mistakes and tried to do better for my kids.

[@ifoundthistoday]

@@bayamonrican good man !

[@ifoundthistoday]

@Rich Smith paradox

[@SovereignStatesman]

The Church WANTS to force people into childbirth and marriage. Otherwise we'd have contraceptives that WORKED, but the church puts the damper on it.

[@vcupiano]

The problem is America takes a cookie cutter approach to literally every issue.

[@JamesDavidMusic]

💯💯💯

[@erwinmoreno23]

Exactly

[@adamjohnson5308]

Not foreign policy, then it’s a sledgehammer 🇺🇸

[@amsears60441]

How dare you speak

[@kylepongos4532]

I mean that's how governments generally work because they are made specifically to cater to the lowest common denominator

[@Sachin6197]

Well why cant you have Universal Basic Income and a better drug policy. Why can't we have both of these?

[@OsmoZchannel]

@MultiTarded that doesnt make any sense, better rehab = no money spent on drugs

[@XxdarkanimevampirexX]

@@OsmoZchannel We have to change our view on drugs in order to better rehab. Being able to be convicted and stigmatized for using causes A LOT of people to be wary of rehabilitation. I personally approve of how the UK treats it. Its a health epidemic. Treating it as such allows for alternate means of dealing with it.

[@shawnfreeman3932]

Because racism, and dominance

[@TheyCalledMeGator]

@Jeremy Shaffer Who's UBI platform is set up to take more from average citizens than it delivers? Haven't heard that policy before.

[@silencedknight]

MultiTarded the people that do drugs will do drugs anyway, so instead of them committing crime and breaking into something here’s the 2 grand a month and they can shoot up or clean up c

[@MasthaX]

What if we would just give everyone DMT?

[@CogniVision]

Then there would be no more war.

[@TommyTombstone]

Read "Brave New World". No bueno.

[@KizaruB]

TrapTombstone was gonna reference that too.

[@liabw05]

We would all be better off! Less drugs, sadness, racism! #winwin 😇

[@truth2972]

Give everyone dynamite?

[@joeljelliff2901]

Jobs are not what people should be worried about losing. As a whole Americans need to become productive again. Not scrambling around looking for a job. We need more employers and more businesses. Employment opportunities will be abundant.

[@Windrake101]

Businesses, once they get to a certain, will just get bought up by a mega-corp, and we'll eventually be back at square one.

[@blancaramirez2823]

Lol at Ben thinking poets don’t do drugs

[@brownjenkin2267]

lmao hahahaha yeah some of Ben's opinions come from an extremely sheltered place and sometimes it almost seems genuine.

[@KappaKiller108]

I'd love to see all this poetry the druggie community has been hiding from the public

[@blancaramirez2823]

GoombaGenocide go to the library and ask for the poetry section

[@nbkw48]

@@KappaKiller108 ffs dude This is some basic logic test. "all cars are vehicles, but not all vehicles are cars". Dumbass.

[@Zen-t2j]

@@nbkw48 what? That logic test applies to the OP. Ben didn't say poets don't do drugs, he said the welfare community isn't creating a lot of art and developing some meaningful social fabric. The OP strawmanned the shit out of the argument

[@kurvinhein5486]

The caption team had to hire two staffers for this vid. One person to type 50 words per minute, one coked up typist to type 100 words per minute

[@andresanchez948]

Legitimately laughed-out-loud. Well done, sir.

[@cherylruben5174]

Soooo funny

[@joehadden918]

Kurvin Hein sorry to be that guy, but 100 words per minute is insanely slow speech tempo. An ordinary person talks at about 130-140 so Ben Shapiro probably speaks at like 180

[@kurvinhein5486]

Joseph Hadden your wife is probably sorry you’re that guy too

[@joehadden918]

Kurvin Hein jeez man why you gotta be like that

[@AccountInactive]

That awkward moment when I am a trucker who codes. Granted I coded before I started trucking :P

[@brianchan5402]

Lol

[@internet_internet]

You are the future

[@dajiban9325]

I can't work because of my aspergers and can't get ssdi so my mom takes care of me and she is dyeing so ubi would keep me from because homeless. And I could start a bladesmithing shop and sell them and one day I could support myself.

[@AccountInactive]

@C caymer but we have no lives.

[@AccountInactive]

@C caymer Haha! I wasn't completely honest with my first comment. I trucked for five years. I'm recently running our company's office and moonlighting as a Linux sysadmin :D

[@InternetGrandpa]

UBI to replace all other government payments might be ok.

[@familyjewels7]

The reason disabled people are hooked on opioids isn't because they don't have jobs. They get prescribed opioids for their disabilities then get hooked.

[@lorenaflores6563]

they dont have jobs because they collect disability check

[@zSnipebot]

@@lorenaflores6563 Or maybe because they have two metal hips and a serious heart condition

[@lorenaflores6563]

@@zSnipebot my sons in a wheel chair and doesnt collect welfare yes a disabled minority whos gay and hes for trump explain that?

[@zSnipebot]

@@lorenaflores6563 yeah I'm gonna tell the blind man with liver disease to get off his lazy and go get a fucking job. And who gives a fuck who your son voted for lady

[@Onlyrealmusic4life]

@@zSnipebot Seriously lol what she said was the most irrelevant shit in this whole comment section

[@SkandalouzStyle]

Universal basic income has got nothing to do with drug or your ability to work or even the fact that you do or don't work. It's about meeting your basic needs, It's about automation taking over and people no longer being able to exchange labour for money.

[@hughrichardbradshawii2120]

We all saw the Yang Shapiro interview too dude lol

[@WarriorOfRedCloud]

Unless technology makes some unprecedented leaps in advancement, labour will be traded for monetary gain indefinitely. There are simply innumerous positions filled by humans whose requirements are far too broad to be programmed and built for at this time. These jobs typically pay the lowest legal wage they can, or not far above so as to procure applicants readily to avoid problems to due to turnover rates. Though I side for U.B.I., after its implementation, other than super-inflation, what incentivizes the population to fill these typically gruelling, dangerous, low wage positions?

[@CharlestonTracy]

“You’re apologizing for not cursing.” Lol!

[@deboraheubanksrafferty]

Only one reason I love Ben Shapiro. I like listening to beep-free speech.

[@theglorioussapphiremonkey4750]

Actually with UBI, people will pursue their interest, what they really want in life.. Not everyone is a fan of being employed, having to work 9-5 is exhausting... Most people want to be free from corporate slavery.. and focus more in all areas of health and choose to become happy.. the goal is financial freedom.

[@AjaxDGonzo]

Again that’s foolish to say that will just overall be good for the individuals and the country as a whole. We can’t all be making a living as an artist, that will destroy our country even through just a basic policy level. Also have you seen the top level artists of our country? These guys are millionaires and are still dealing with extreme depression, and drug dependency. Most people can’t handle that level of success or the isolation that it takes to be a unique artist.

[@johncox823]

Not particularly. If you have a job, your wage is determined based on the value that you as an individual bring to the work place. If you work at say mcdonald’s making 14 an hour your work is alienable at lower rates compared to an individual writing complex code for say google.

[@redblankie1219]

Lmao you poor thing

[@Lambda_Ovine]

"Let's say that we can solve the money problem without tanking the economy, which is questionable..." Does Shapiro know that if you replace current welfare spending with UBI, you can totally have UBI without increasing budget spending... AND some economist think that it would be better for the economy because that money would circulate? I mean, who knows about the practical aspect, but the math has been done and it checks out.

[@herberthoover9095]

Roach DoggJR It’s not about government spending, it’s about jobs

[@anthonygagliardi6607]

We don’t spend 3 trillion a year on welfare so your logic is wrong

[@robertkirschman6286]

Anthony Gagliardi the number is actually around 1.8 trillion, look up joe rogans talk with yang on ubi. He explains the number / statistics

[@askmeificare5557]

@@robertkirschman6286 200+ million US adults getting $1000 a month for 12 months is near 3 trillion.

[@MrRainbowSprinkles]

Headline cost of UBI is 3 trillion. However about 1.2 trillion worth of people will likely stay on welfare since they benefit more than $1,000 a month. So that cuts the spending on UBI to 1.8 trillion a year. 800 billion is estimated to come from the VAT and 1 trillion is estimated to come from the money recirculating in the economy.

[@jobokidd]

Yang comments in an interview that the UBI would allow many women to leave abusive relationships that can't now because of finances. #YangGang

[@kanteannightmare]

Or be abused more so the abuser can collect the money for themselves… pimps do it all of the time.

[@jdidd2258]

Universal money doesn't work

[@bornfree8073]

@@kanteannightmare these ubi liberals are so closed mind due to the fact they just want an extra 1000 dollars a month. Its so tempting to join them, however just like socialism is always fails.

[@ZASurvivalist]

jobokidd Bullshit.

[@krogwaugh]

My mother being one of those women.

[@NickyDiamond44]

Ben “They’re all opioid zombies who want to knock my yamaka off.” Shapiro

[@XxdarkanimevampirexX]

I never liked Ben's yakuza

[@NickyDiamond44]

First, it's not important enough to be spelled correctly. Second, I hope you find a sense of humor someday. Then you won't have to name call everyone who offends your tiny little CHILDLIKE brain. Third, Who knocked your dreddle over? Please let me know how to spell that if you can. I'm always open to learning new things.

[@NickyDiamond44]

I never called anyone lazy or dumb. You are the one who sounds uneducated with your lazy ad hominem attacks against a person you don't even know... idiot! moron! lazy! dumb! etc. Is that how an educated person speaks in your mind? Learn how to take a joke and grow up.

[@alanbythegallon]

@kommisar Ben "Jewish Hat" Sharpio

[@beyondleftfield4470]

@kommisar says, you shall bend the knee to judaisms and your anti-Semitism shall not go unremarked upon or unpunished, comrades. I guess Mel Brooks was not shown in this guys household, and it shows.

[@mavenesquith6825]

I am that single mom they're describing. Getting set up is a struggle and I really wish I could just have some quick help but I don't want to live on a gov. free money system! I just want a little home to call my own and a job with school hours. I worked from home babysitting kids while my child was too young for school and then when he turned five I sent him to school and eventually found a job that had exactly the same hours as school including summer break. I think maybe a better system to put in place for single moms would be helping us all have those school hour jobs so we can provide for and parent our kids without missing out on those short precious years of their lives. It feels good to be able to say I'm earning my own money, when I had been on assistance in the past it felt awful.

[@gorkyd7912]

The modern world is creating a perfect storm for catastrophic population decline because it's becoming impossible for normal people to raise children. In the past young parents could get married and establish themselves early, have 5 kids and a house by the age of 30. Because generations had kids in their 20s instead of 40s, and moved less, there were multiple generations in the same area so grandparents could raise kids while parents worked and vice versa. Now people graduate HS at 18, college at 22, start their first low-paid job in massive debt, pay off their debts at 35 maybe, buy a house at 40 if they're lucky, and finally be settled to raise kids. The timing is all wrong, it should be healthy and energetic 20-year-olds raising children with help from able 40-50 year-old grandparents; instead it's highly indebted 40-year-olds who are often divorced and isolated trying to raise children while also taking care of their 70-80-year-old decrepit grandparents.

[@brianlogan4243]

Heres the answer, avoid being a single parent.

[@mavenesquith6825]

@@brianlogan4243 8th trimester abortion then? Lol

[@brianlogan4243]

@@mavenesquith6825 No, but as a sexually experienced single man that has N O kids, anytime outside tragedy of course, that any woman gets pregnant, its because they wanted to get pregnant.

[@mavenesquith6825]

@@brianlogan4243 I will agree it can be avoided as I've avoided it ever since my first pregnancy but to say it's wanted may be a stretch. More like neglect was involved, as with me. Though I'd not change a thing, I was certainly not looking to get pregnant. I do agree there should be more effort in avoidance but there's a lot now already that can be helped with a little effort

[@throwingstones96]

UBI program in South Korea has worked out pretty well IMO during the COVID crisis. The government gave out money through a debit card which can only be used in local businesses. Increasing expenditure on local businesses while supporting people in need really helped. Plus the government not shutting down every shop while freaking out with their dicks in their asses really helped....

[@seanthomas6465]

@Caratacus Only if you don't defund other bloated budget items.

[@GoogleGoogle-yj3ot]

You are delusional if you think it "WORKED WELL" in Korea. It did absolutely nothing but to create a massive debt. You do realize Koreans will someday pay for that right?

[@mainframe2742]

@@GoogleGoogle-yj3ot and what was the other proposed solution? letting them starve to death? riots?

[@GoogleGoogle-yj3ot]

@@mainframe2742 do you really people are starving in Korea? Smh

[@mainframe2742]

@@GoogleGoogle-yj3ot why did they give them munny then?

[@ArchTymeWizard]

My job is slowly being replaced by a website, and my last job was with RadioShack for almost a decade, I know too much what it feels like to be replaced by a digital environment.

[@teeko1]

Kris Ewing sounds like you need to try a different field of work lol

[@MrCervantesent]

Should've learned different skill sets other than working at RadioShack my friend. Do that now before it's too late.

[@TheRadishPrince]

Learn a different skill.

[@joshualima6967]

Learn to code

[@iteilejm]

10 years at Radio Shack? By 2003 people knew that place would go belly up. Idk where you live, but hopefully COL wasnt high & you got back on your feet.

[@MrUndersolo]

“Crisis of purpose” is a telling phrase.

[@aetherblackbolt1301]

In what way?

[@davidhill2020]

@@aetherblackbolt1301 "Crisis of purpose" is like "Dignity of work" in that they're terms that right-wingers use while saying "facts don't care about your feelings" with no sense of irony. Right-wing politicians act like if you give people a UBI, they won't work because they won't have to. That's not how people work, though. We, as a people, actually don't enjoy sitting on our arses doing nothing for months at a time. We also don't enjoy being forced to work a job we hate because we're not making enough money to get something better.

[@manictiger]

​@@davidhill2020 Agreed. I thought UBI was too experimental back before the DemonRats kicked Andrew and Tulsi to the curb. Now look at us. Billions of dollars of weapons, equipment and bases donated the Taliban, who took no time at all using it against any dissenters, especially women. Trillions of dollars for Wall Street. Billions to Fauci, who has used it to torture Beagles with sand flies for no discernable reason... And we still don't have UBI. If we're going to print trillions, we can at least give it to the people, instead of torturing puppies and arming terrorists.

[@beautolan1372]

Being a child from a broken home, I agree with Ben. Take responsibility for your child, deal with the person whom you temporarily had affection for (resulting in another human being) and realize that providing your kid with a stable, respectful, and RATIONAL place to learn how to be a person, is more important than your ego for a limited time. Broken relationships due to ego will only produce ASSHOLE children... like me

[@dubmarmol8018]

Atleast you accidentally blamed yourself , you’ll get their eventually once you realize it’s you’re fault you’re an ass

[@tacoking9533]

Instead of UBI, I wish I could just keep the income tax withholdings taken out of my paycheque.

[@rainydaze3286]

For the average person, that would still only be $1000 a year, give or take.

[@Broctis]

Yeah chances are you’d get more out of UBI than the tiny extra taxes you’ll get.

[@FoolishInTheEnd]

Nah. The government needs it too much to fund their incompetent bureaucracy and failed/inefficient programs.

[@matthewwhitaker129]

Resolutionz lol i lose like $200-$300 a week in taxes

[@nodozhit]

Yes, you can keep it. But everyone needs to pay their fair share. Let's imagine an America where no one pays taxes but everyone has to individually pay for every single service that their tax dollars used to cover. For instance, toll bridges will be everywhere. The first responders will demand payment before responding to emergency call and patrolmen will demand payment from you, simply because you weren't accosted. The mailman won't let go of your mail until you pay up. No more FICA. The military won't stand guard until they receive their cut from everybody. A state of emergency has to be paid for upfront in the aftermath of a natural disaster decimating your community. No SSI or Medicaid/ Medicare programs for grandma or grandbaby. So grandma either needs to have a foolproof retirement plan, a trust fund, win the lottery, or else get a job at some major monopoly until the day she croaks. NO USDA or FDA regulations probably would lower -quality- prices of consumer goods though.

[@originalgal76]

If ben shapiro had a conversation with eminem it would shatter the space time continuum

[@Tao-fp3yr]

He'd have to consider hip hop music first. Maybe in an alternate universe somewhere.

[@cybervoid8442]

@@Tao-fp3yr why is it not Kosher?

[@Tao-fp3yr]

@@cybervoid8442 Nah. Not that. He just considers hip hop not music.

[@appl2597]

They already have driverless trucks transporting containers at ports, automated quay cranes also... It's no longer testing or trial, it already exist in ports in many countries.

[@zlistcelebrityYT]

A little different than OTR trips

[@user-cx9gq2ud6t]

At my partners workplace, they have driverless trucks they drive around the minerals at the mine.

[@paleo704]

Jesika Vocisano yikes

[@micahblejski]

Jesika Vocisano like a mine cart?

[@brian6speed]

it is easy when the system is closed, now try integrating them in real world where ppl are still driving older cars, plus are you really gonna do complete ban on classic and old cars? I dont want government taking my autocross and track cars away and limiting my freedom and enjoyment of life. if government wants my cars they better come for my guns at same time.

[@TooCloseToToast]

“They turned the frickin frog gay” is something I never thought I would hear Ben Shapiro say

[@mikemartin8495]

Andrew Yang for president 2020🇺🇸

[@RumForBreakfast]

Shapiro has this huge habit of using worst case scenario.... establishing that it's not the norm, but then pretends it's the norm anyway in his argument against things.

[@guisrtr5832]

I think he doesnt take the time to digest his thoughts. He reacts to fast at everything, that's dangerous. But luckily he has some good reference, but if werent them he would be screwed.

[@closeenough1343]

When you never struggled yourself, how can you possibly relate. That's why he sounds like a fucking idiot to people who really have come from the gutter.

[@JT-wc3hr]

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best

[@ILoveGrilledCheese]

@Fish Sandwich You literally described Shapiro in that statement... Everything he says it's vapid and devoid of any semblance of responsibility

[@ivantheterribler8346]

@Fish Sandwich you're pretty stupid

[@KelsoBradshaw]

ben “i dont know his middle name” shapiro

[@yodamaster757]

Kelso Bradshaw - I was hoping someone on the comment section would reply with his middle name so I could know it lol

[@jackp.richardson6415]

Aaron

[@pakman422]

Google......

[@iarebrown]

@@pakman422 Ben Google Shapiro?

[@jordansmith5114]

SupremeNooby no, clearly he meant: Ben Google...... Shapiro

[@ycnsnta]

Ben "this headset fits my kippa perfectly" Shapiro

[@CleanPaper215]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@lesmoore3638]

32years of teaching in one of these communities, I saw kids work their way out all the time. Good parent(s), desire and drive.

[@danielw4995]

@Wayne Paul A welfare system that incentivizes single parenthood in turn creates more children with bad parental situations. That's the point. A lot of these liberal policies create exponentially more instances of the problem.

[@BruceLee-xn3nn]

@@danielw4995 Heres a dollar go sit in the corner. These dumbasses do it just for a free buck. Easier than working.

[@MrZeekbird]

No way. Not possible... I don’t believe you. You are dumb racist and a liar. -a leftist.

[@lesmoore3638]

Are you talking to me? If you think that insulting me gives you some sort of authority, I'd have to disagree. I'm confused as to what I said that would brand me a lier or was not a reasonable statement. Nazi? How warped is that?

[@lesmoore3638]

Sorry, racist. How warped is that. Did I ever refer to pigment. I guess the one making the assumption would be the racist?

[@KOJ23]

alex jones is definitely gonna respond to the subtle shot ben gave 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Brrrshark11]

leland michael “they’re turnin the freakin frogs gay” lmfao

[@NothingHumanisAlientoMe]

Me: SHOW ME THE MONEY Ben: NO. Me: AH SH-SHOW ME THE MONEY Ben: You have earned the right to be poor.

[@NothingHumanisAlientoMe]

GIVE ME THE MONEY

[@aron6998]

You deserve to be poor if you’ve based your living wage on the government that is damn sad tbh

[@Goujiki]

@@aron6998 how will you feel when a poor man murders you or your family, or commits crimes when they're told they're irrelevant? you said they deserve to be poor, so you should welcome their crimes with open arms then.

[@aron6998]

Goujiki sure step in my house and threaten myself and family and he’ll have no more money issues, step to me in the streets and threaten myself or my family same outcome...I welcome all aggression and will live or die by this I’m carrying all the time for myself protection and yes even your protection but better question how will you feel when all your rights are stripped of you and your money taken to be given to someone that doesn’t want to work for themselves or their family?

[@Goujiki]

@@aron6998 typical loser American response. I'm sure that you have so much time to browse KZbin and watch Molyneaux videos, trashing KZbin kids online, and have tons of guns, a huge house, a nice car and a family that loves you huh? You're mister Big Shot, I'm sure

[@Revellersaws]

Remember, the fear of automation and the general loss of all human jobs is now over 100 years old and has not come to fruition yet. These are the same fears that led people to destroy printing presses.

[@JayMaverick]

About "learn to code", I've been unemployed for long times before. The fact that there's endless courses and libraries to teach me a lucrative profession for free, as long as I'm willing to invest the time is highly encouraging. I didn't do it because it's not my thing, but knowing that it's possible is just so incredibly cool.

[@monstr_sauce1569]

no one should be stuck with low income with an internet full of knowledge. its utterly rediculous how overlooked it is

[@bossman8805]

@@monstr_sauce1569 Yeah and when you put your wikipedia degree on your CV see how many employers want you.

[@weggles91]

@@bossman8805 there's a really valid point here (I'm not sure if it's the one you're making or not!). There is a huge amount of really good learning materials available online, a lot for free, and a lot for small amounts of money. Not for every profession, but something like coding (in any environment - web design, software, data science etc.) is an excellent example. You can 100% teach yourself, for free, the skills to be able to do this to a level that would enable you to start working in those fields. The problem, I think (and I think this might be the point you were getting at) is that a huge number of employers look for qualifications over skills - because they are easier to prove when you have a pile of hundreds of resumes to look through. You could be a better programmer than 90% of their existing staff, but if you don't have a degree (or higher qual) from a reputable university, a lot of employers won't look twice. To me, this is a problem that stems from our education system (speaking from a UK perspective, but I believe it reflects the US as well).

[@weggles91]

@@dennyg3315 very true, but it also takes a certain type of person to make it on their own - expertise in a field is only one part of the package.

[@Tech875O]

I respect Shapiro, but that's a bad argument. Hes comparing the work ethic of a person on disability to someone on UBI. He says people on disability are unproductive, and therefore it stands to reason that people on UBI would be unproductive as well. However, most people on disability are on it for a reason. They are limited in some way or another. A person on UBI without the limitations of someone on disability would theoretically be more productive. Please note, I'm not making an argument for or against UBI in general. I just dont agree with that particular argument in this video. His argument regarding purpose on the other hand, I agree 100%. There is a definite lack of purpose spread throughout society.

[@Fankas2000]

As someone from a relatively poor country with lots of poor family members, I can safely say that 9 out of 10 poor people are poor because they piss their money away on booze and drugs. So maybe we should stop pretending like most poor people magically through no fault of their own became poor. So even if you give these people some free money its just going to be spent on some stupid shit.

[@user1134b6s]

People on disability AND welfare he said.

[@user1134b6s]

Cosmo Pi Disability is a form of social welfare, along with Foodstamps etc...

[@user1134b6s]

​@@cosmopi WOW! It's almost like you're being purposefully disingenuous and not understanding the point!

[@rustilldown7]

My immediate thought when he brought up disability.

[@spasticplastic]

Joe "I hope my krav maga shirt impresses Shapiro" Rogan

[@unnamed715]

"I hope my Wu Tang shirt impresses my black guest."

[@jameslutian1977]

I'm glad I'm not the only person who notices Joe's clothing is meant to win his guests over. Joe's brown nosing is hard to watch.

[@Shock4ndAwe]

Well Ben did say he liked his shirt on his Instagram

[@jameslutian1977]

Joe Rogan is a bisexual.

[@zachrat9083]

It’s basic economics that if government gives everyone x amount of money, then that becomes the new 0 😅

[@absynthetheartist]

and that's a bad thing?

[@zachrat9083]

@@absynthetheartist It is simply no thing. It wouldn't make a difference in the long term.

[@billthornton5956]

@@absynthetheartist yes

[@lmknow7x]

Studies show that UBI doesn’t cause inflation. UBI isn’t printing more money, it’s cycling money to the lowest of society rather than the highest in society. Poor people will spend the money immediately which would actually benefit the economy in multiple ways.

[@360.Tapestry]

basically, ben shapiro doesn't have a problem with ubi, he has a problem with limitations in the human ability to adapt later in life

[@sten260]

ubi sucks because people are gonna take advantage of it, most people will quit jobs even the ones who make decent wage because its better to get enough money and live free than make a lot of money but slaving your life away. so its good temporarily but long term its gonna fall apart, because we run out of people who pay taxes

[@thenoicemango1827]

sten260 I disagree. Why do you believe that will happen? I believe people will actually use this income to further their education and have more time to raise children. It will make it harder for the government and corporations to take advantage of us. Yea will some people abuse it? Yea but will everyone? No. Either way them spending money is money circulating through the economy.

[@thenoicemango1827]

Saverio _ Where is that place and what are you referring to? What’s the point in mentioning it if you won’t even provide the details.

[@Relbl]

Look at how things are now; people are avoiding going back to work when they can because they prefer getting the UBI and doing nothing. That is EXACTLY what he/we have been saying. I wouldn't expect you to know but there is a similar program in France: one kid is 500euros per month, two kids 1000 euros, but three kids is 2000 euros and guaranteed housing. You better fucking believe that many MANY women push for three kids there then never work another minute in their lives - esp the muslim community

[@360.Tapestry]

@@Relbl are they really doing "nothing"? or do they just not meet your brainwashed, narrow-minded idea of a worthy pursuit? this isn't "ubi" because not all people are receiving it UNIVERSALLY. this is not "exactly" what he is even saying, at all. his point is different from yours. i wouldn't expect you to know, since your reasoning abilities are feeble LMAO especially, your stupid community

[@Biskawow]

This is wrong, Yang goes with data, Shapiro goes with "I feel" and "I don't buy it..."

[@segasys1339]

give me a break bro, the data is by no means conclusive

[@fitzwellingtonbouregard3505]

Mario D. Zmaj lol what data? Name a single socialist country that is well off right now. Just one, you only need to name one. I’ll give you the rest of your life to come up with one.

[@Sai4651]

@@fitzwellingtonbouregard3505 You're mistaken, no nation is entirely "socialist" the same way no nation is entirely "capitalist" What most Americans want is "Democratic Socialism" which is a dual system. A strong socialist welfare system supported by a strong capitalist economy. Democratic Socialist countries include, France, Germany, Denmark, UK, etc. You're question is inherently flawed, I could say the same by asking you to name me one capitalist country that's well off, and when I say well off, I mean most of the people are well off, not just the wealthy.

[@fordcabriogt]

@@Sai4651 "A strong socialist welfare system supported by a strong capitalist economy." So stealing from the productive layer of the society to give to useless lazy piece of shits who don't want to work? Got it man. Funny how the country you mentioned are all basically shitholes with no freedom of speech, freedom of the press, where muslim immigration is allowed and you're not allowed to complain, where if you're the victim of the crime you go to prison for injuring the oppressor and where the more and harder you work the more the government steals from you. Great examples you provided. Any country under pure capitalism would be well off for everybody in it if it wasn't for subhuman animals asking for democratic socialism or other socialist policies.

[@fitzwellingtonbouregard3505]

Ulquiorra Cifer most Americans are well off. They just love to complain about bullshit. When your on top of the world, and don’t have any real problems, you tend to make them up. America is doing well. All these motherfuckers living in America claiming they don’t live nicely have an iPhone and a car but bitch because they can’t afford more luxuries than that. Well sorry not everyone is balling out in every single aspect of their life. But the fact that most Americans have an iPhone is proof enough that they spend their money unwisely and therefore can only blame themselves for not being able to afford something

[@jctai100]

Ben has some good points especially with the crisis of purpose, but to be fair to Andrew I don't think he's ever marketed it as road to new purpose. More of a wealth re-distribution or libertarian welfare system to the 'get the boot off your neck' for basic bills (his words)

[@jonathanbraswell6308]

Thank you for respectful discussion...

[@thedelgadic1]

LMAO UBI is anything but liberterian my dude. It's about as far from it as possible. Where'd you get that idea in your head

[@robinsonc5]

Charles Dodson Where do you get to go to college for free?

[@thedelgadic1]

@@robinsonc5 try looking at community colleges. Most of them have actual transferable credits that can be used later. If you are low income, it's practically free. If not, I paid 600 bucks this semester and I'm taking 12 units. May vary though depending on the place, but it's still in the ballpark

[@DanoneValkyrie]

The crisis of purpose is that 90% of people don’t like their job and most don’t want to or can’t quit on fear of no longer being able to pay their bills. UBI is only part of the solution. The other part is education and discouraging people to not live beyond their means.

[@PepsiMaxVanilla]

here's the problem: if everyone gets unconditional UBI, those 1000$ a month are gonna be devalued down to hell because everyone gets them and it's unconditional

[@ccsballazdre]

Ben Shapiro has never been a kid in an unhappy home and it shows.

[@hairtrigger8317]

Yeah he clearly doesn't understand that one at all.

[@tommynoble9075]

You act like that is a bad thing...

[@hairtrigger8317]

@@tommynoble9075 not a bad thing at all, just shows he doesn't get what that shit can do to people.

[@ccsballazdre]

@@tommynoble9075 It's not. It's a great thing and great for him. But like many conservative commentators, they're a little out of touch with how people near the poverty line lives. "I think you should stick it out for the kids" is a statement I don't think he would be saying growing up a kid in an unhappy home.

[@alexdipego9503]

He mentions this study a lot and it’s not in this clip, but couples who graduated high school, both work and don’t get pregnant out of wedlock have a 98% probability of success. Some of the biggest issues in a home are money, but this study (from Harvard or Yale I forget) shows that your chances of money struggles are less if you do those 3 things.

[@probablynot7072]

..if 1k a month makes u not have the drive to work..then..I dare say..u were never going to be anything anyway

[@bamuh4506]

Probably Not you’re right because although you could get by on the bare minimum of living you really couldn’t have extra amenities like phone tv internet etc...

[@chadjohnson3737]

@DolphinsWIthIgloos A wage that's sustainable? What's the point you're trying to make here?

[@Vanlifecrisis]

@@chadjohnson3737 I dont necessarily agree with it but i think the point is that you will require higher pay for the simplest work or choose not to work at all. Which could cause an inflationary response as employers have to charge more to make salary demands, eventually negating the ubi's purpose. I think im more optimistic than that about peoples desire to improve their lives though as long as there are no barriers to the ubi benefit.

[@shadowgame0630]

The problem with ya'll is that you westerners have such high standards of living. No one in my third world country would consider being poor in america as actually poor

[@Shnecko]

@@shadowgame0630 Tell someone in America living on the streets begging for nickels and digging in garbage bins that they aren't poor, just because they live in America. That's the stupidest thing I've heard today.

[@DynamicUnreal]

UBI is not like welfare because welfare established arbitrary rules on income, single vs. married, etc. that had a detrimental social impact. With UBI you are free to spend that money the way you see fit without a government bureaucracy setting up arbitrary guidelines on what you can and can’t do in order to receive said benefits.

[@surprisedchar2458]

So free drug money.

[@Heavywall70]

Right, and as stated ; cigarettes and ho ho’s

[@Vanlifecrisis]

That is why yang only wants it set to 1000, you blow it on cigs and hohos you will need to find work to make it, even if its only part time. I like his optimism but i think in reality it might not go as smooth as he thinks cause some might see crime as the supplement. Thats what current welfare shows, but then again current welfare actually punishes you for trying to work or get married etc so people resort to non legit means.

[@flounder2760]

so ubi is better in your view because if your an able bodied person you dont have to seek gainful employment to get off it while your receiving it?

[@thepapermakery]

VanLifeCrisis stream line the people who already live off productive people to everybody

[@Glynnwilliamson]

There are a lot of people in this world who still don't grasp just how quickly A,I, technology is advancing and its effects on the job market. People always think it's only going to effect the unskilled , its not just unskilled workers who will be loosing their jobs due to A.I. in the near future, its also going to be skilled professionals too. Computer software programmes are already doing the same jobs faster and more efficient that used to be done by many highly educated highly paid office workers, Thats why its the people who are at the fore front of technology are talking about the concept of Universal basic Income, because they better that anyone else can see its long term effects. I agree with Ben on a lot of different subjects but even he has not grasped the effects advanced technology is going to have in the near future. But in fairness I don't think he's a tech nerd so like most people he doesn't quite see it yet.

[@onlypinkytube]

I don’t think people when lose their job lose purpose, I believe They lose status and gain insecurity and anxiety that blurs the lines and gives the feeling of been unless and feel like an obstacle.

[@grinningshine9631]

Pinkyusaf very true.

[@newera478]

As someone who worked 15 years and then was little over a year unemployed, I can say that not having a job can make you feel meaningless.

[@JonPawesome]

Oscillator yeah so I think the purpose of UBI is to allow someone that was in your position to confidently and comfortably transition into the next phase of your life without feeling rushed or an economic burden

[@aron6998]

Jonathan Nguyen stop saying comfortably you shill, 1000 a month for someone with real world bills is no where near comfort, the banks will still show up and take the shit that you’ve had for years and are not yet paid off

[@Catlady-mw4en]

If the best purpose a person has is to make money and survive, there is something severely lacking. Some jobs may be meaningful, but most are positions as cogs in a system.

[@evertonc1448]

I respect Ben's opinion very much, he's very good with social and human analisys, but I don't think he fully understands what's being developed in the field of automation rn. As a Deep Learning programmer I have to disagree: comparing the automation revolution we are going to face in the following years with previous events makes no sense, it's so big and things are evolving so fast even us scientists can't quite understand it and are a little afraid. We are talking about computers designing, programing and training themselves type of stuff. It's sad to say but I think in 40 years we will be able to automate almost every single job (not arts tho) we have right now. I'm talking about movies writing and rendering themselves with computer generated scenes, I'm talking about fully automated distribution of food (from farming to transportation to selling) and record tracking based on block chain. We are like 50 years ahead of what we thought we would be 10 years ago. Shit is getting nasty really fast.

[@shaesullivan]

I'll be happy when someone designs a weather controlling system to help fight global warming.

[@khaduongnguyen3105]

In Detroit: Become Human androids can do art tho.....so i will expect everything.

[@kyoko703]

Machines don't have to become self aware to realize that humans are inefficient at repetitive tasks. The data proves it and we don't need an algorithm to tell us that. Our current system demands efficiency. That is why we must rethink the system so that it works for humans and not the system itself.

[@MotleySama]

Have less children. If we automate 85% of the workforce and had 15% of our population the planet would be saved and people would be better off.

[@cooloutac]

Right when agriculture was automated away, there were plenty of other industries. But in this era businesses closing down are from all ends. Doesn't matter what the business is. Even the foreigners that took exported jobs will lose theirs soon.

[@shahab814]

Paying people $1k a month won't do much, but if that person is already making $2K a month, that extra $1k will make a huge difference in their life.

[@OnionYeeter]

Pay that dude $1k per month and then tax him another $2k per month. Very cool.

[@DragNetJoe]

The problem with UBI is very few people are really talking about "U" BI. Universal Basic Income is universal, as in everyone gets it, including people with a job, and billionaires like Elon Musk. Yes, it is possible that we will get to a point in time where automation is so good that very few people really "need" to work. Everyone gets $40K. The probable outcome is that some people will work and get rich. Some people will escape to space or whatever great frontier exists. Some people will pursue hobbies and other forms of work for entertainment. And some people will take their 40K, settle in to a 1BR apartment and play videogames and take drugs. Science Fiction authors have been speculating and modeling this for decades. I really don't think we are as close as some people think. I would guess at least 100 years.

[@bigshaq2929]

Think you hit the nail on the head. It will make some lazy and this group will still 'feel' poor because of the hard working grafters who will go out and make more and have special 'privileges' what was that experiment where they gave all the poor people a load more income and most just spend it on alcohol and drugs?

[@patriot9487]

Maybe we should try and build a greater sense of community so people actually start caring about their neighbors and their well being, and then vice versa? We've gone too far into individualism, we need a middle ground of individualism and collectivism. Everyone should be pushed to be the best they can be, because when everyone is like that, the group as a whole is better. Veterans often reminisce of the brotherhood and camaraderie they felt while serving; we can have that in civilian life too, we just have to work towards it together.

[@DragNetJoe]

@@patriot9487 So, if I just want to mind my own business do you advocate the government come in and make me care about my neighbor? If not, how do you propose doing that? Maybe block parties, neighborhood BBQ? The problem with designing a system that relies on altruism is that it WILL (not might, will) be abused by some who act in their own self interest instead of the greater good. Those will rise to power and become dictators.

[@patriot9487]

@@DragNetJoe Yaah democracy ain't so grand, so I don't really care if a strongman comes, it's GONNA happen here, just a matter of time. I like how people like you always instantly jump to "muh gubmint becoming stwonger" or "but what about me, ME, ME" instead of considering it's a cultural issue, and we need to change our culture.

[@DragNetJoe]

@@patriot9487 Move to China. Seriously. They have what you want.