Ben Shapiro Vs Cosmic Skeptic REVIEW & Rollo Tomassi & James Sexton Exchange -Jay Dyer

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Tonight we return to debate reviews as we check out a key clip from the recent Ben Shapiro Vs Cosmic Skeptic debate, as well as a breakdown of the recent red pill discussion with Rollo and James Sexton on Destiny, Women and God, and more!
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[@JayDyer]

Be sure to subscribe and turn on notifications! The Rollo / James talk starts at 44:00 and the Shapiro debate analysis starts at 1:20:00

[@slowboywhiteboardv4]

Thanks for the timestamps but I came back for the return of the mack karaoke. 😮

[@SeraphimLeo]

Cosmic Skeptic: "I'm a nihilist" Also Cosmic Skeptic: "eating eggs is g*n*cide and drinking milk is r*p*"

[@UniteAgainstEvil]

Timestamps or it never happened ❤

[@deskywallington2844]

⁠@@UniteAgainstEvil Oh, he did not make those points here for it is not related. But this views were held by Alex during the earlier year of his channel. There is a video where he called people who eats meat, and consume dairy products, gen0c1der, s1av3r, and such such. Later on, he peddled back on this position due to having some form stomach disease developed by the lack of nutrient found in animals, ironic. He has been quiet on the whole animal killing bad, vegan good thing. Alex is really treat of a human being, as alot his views contradict itselfs, as he put it, a real "cognitive dissonance".

[@bluebible1199]

lmao

[@bluebible1199]

@@deskywallington2844 lmao how do u reconcile morality and determinism as well?

[@MikeMarlowe-ym3zy]

@@deskywallington2844I don’t know why he’s gotten enough attention to even be critiqued in the first place. He’s a child. He’s literally my age. He knows nothing. Why is Ben Shapiro sitting down for a serious debate with him lmao, even Destiny is 10 times the thinker he is and Destiny is a very special guy

[@SeraphimGoose]

1:00:50 "Tradition is a set of solutions to long forgotten problems." (Also: "If you discard the solutions, the problems return.")

[@Ransetsu]

Yes

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

"Cosmic Skeptic" I bet he felt so clever coming up with that name. Cringe.

[@OrangeMonke14]

Most likely computer generated.

[@kakistocracyusa]

compensating for the banality.

[@Kostas_Dikefalaios]

Least wannabe intellectual Atheist.

[@feelz_4_dayz885]

his whole arguments are ''if god real why bad thing happen'' and ''i was bullied for being catholic''

[@Ant1Lgbtq]

​@feelz_4_dayz885 Same arguments we've heard from atheist every time. Nothing new.

[@5irus]

People who "own their determinism" yet still debate... yeesh. Have had the displeasure of seeing that a few times. It's weird to me that someone can knowingly accept that they are pointlessly debating a topic... yet still debate it. "Yep, I don't have free will; but I act like I do", or "Yep, this argument was pre-determined and doesn't really have any truth value to it, but I'm going to continue it anyway". Man.

[@harvestcrops3983]

Lol, dudes legit living in Arkham Asylum.

[@georgedoyle2487]

⁠@@harvestcrops3983 “Arkham Asylum” Yeah makes great “sense” and perfectly “sane”? And they mock other peoples beliefs!! As i pointed out already atheists, that is fatalists and epistemological nihilists know that the conscious agent/freewill, that is rationality itself points to something metaphysical outside of this physically deterministic universe. Better for them to deny metaphysics, that is better for them to deny Truth and value/freewill/moral accountability, that is better for them to deny rationality itself than admit the SOUL/SELF/AGENT CAUSATION!! Once again, the strictly reductive materialist, atheist or philosophical naturalist manifests the very DOGMATISM of which he accuses those who believe in agent causation and in rationalizing it is willing to contemplate absurdities of which no religious believer has ever dreamed!! As I pointed out already it’s highly probable that physical determinism, that is the claim that the conscious agent/freewill is “ILLUSORY” is nothing more than a convenient comfort blanket, an ideology that they’ve created to safeguard their atheistic ideology because they are indeed clearly lying to themselves to say that they have no free will and choice in their decisions!!

[@joshw3010]

I guess they would have to say they don't have a choice in debating. My determinism made me own my determinism and have a debate on determinism. It's just how my neurons evolved to fire, man.

[@georgedoyle2487]

@@joshw3010 “I guess they would have to say they don't have a choice in debating. My determinism made me own my determinism and have a debate on determinism. It's just how my neurons evolved to fire, man.” Was that a “RATIONAL” claim or was it just “DETERMINED”? Was that actually “TRUE” or was it just your “NEURONS DETERMINED TO FIRE MAN? By the way, you just totally and utterly refuted yourself “MAN”!! Sorry but under this strictly reductive, causally closed, atheistic, deterministic fan fiction you’ve wavered the ability to “GUESS” or “DEBATE” anything buddy as your very ironic absolute truth claims are nothing more substantive than ultimately determined noise, that is nothing more substantive than ultimately meaningless incoherent gibberish!! You’ve literally got nothing that will convince me that a child rapist and a child murderer doesn’t have freewill and choice and isn’t accountable and responsible for their own objectively evil and depraved actions!! Your world view, your absurdity, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!! Extraordinarily depraved claims require extraordinary evidence. What can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence as an objectively evil and depraved FANTASY!! AND NOTHING MORE SUBSTANTIVE THAN AN ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS, ATHEISTIC, NIHILISTIC FAIRYTALE!! The deterministic FANTASY is CRINGE atheism in full effect!! I rest my case!!

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

Jay, as a watcher for 5 years i must say you seem at your happiest and most relaxed, awesome stream brother

[@creepingsancy]

Sooo....are you saying you like to watch?

[@mistareemystery-se7uv]

Love the new 007 intro music. Takes me back to my adolescent obsession with N64 Goldeneye.

[@Mattie_Ice]

100%

[@mickdomingo7276]

Jay's a blessing. I'm neither philosophically trained nor theologically trained but he breaks down and explains in layman's terms, for people like me, the bare bones of the argument for theism and ultimately Orthodox Christianity over and above secularism and even Western Christianity. I came to Orthodoxy through reading Jay's work back in 2016 on onwards. God bless him.

[@munashemanamike4217]

He is a beast tbh

[@mitch0990]

7:07 start

[@SeraphimGoose]

MVP

[@mitch0990]

​@@SeraphimGoosejust glad to be of service

[@Saimlordy]

If Alex is a determinist then why does he bother spending so much time reading and thinking about matters of theology, philosophy, ethics etc. when his worldview would mean that he and everyone else have absolutely no way of independently evaluating the validity of any sort of truth claim? If he says "well i was determined to do this even though it's pointless", he'd be obviously full of shit because he would have the choice to stop doing it if he truly believed the logical conclusions of his own worldview - which would ironically score another point for free will.

[@bebopbountyhead]

Because monkey.

[@Nick-ij5nt]

"Is religion good for society." This debate is pointless because Alex cannot give an account for the "good" on his world view.

[@MLamar0612]

Wrong

[@Nick-ij5nt]

@@MLamar0612 What is the "good" on atheism?

[@MLamar0612]

@@Nick-ij5nt Atheism doesn't say anything about morality at all, so you're making a category error from the get-go. Many of you theists miss this basic point and end up saying stupid shit

[@Nick-ij5nt]

@@MLamar0612 Exactly, atheism doesn't say anything about morality, that's my point. In other words Alex's world view can't inform his morality ergo his morality is completely subjective and arbitrary.

[@MLamar0612]

@@Nick-ij5nt this is exactly what I mean.... you're saying stupid shit Atheism IS NOT a worldview. It is an aspect of someone's worldview. It just an answer to a singular question: Does a God exist? Another basic concept that theists tend to straight up ignore just to try and make a goofy ass point. You have to actually contend with the person's actual moral postion and stop trying to automatically retort with what you THINK the person's moral positions are

[@OrangeMonke14]

Failing education system, loneliness, and suicide rates go brrrrrrr. Oh science, I'm.. I'M SECOOLER HOOMANISMING!!!!!!

[@ffs6158]

Twerkin alien jams with my theology and geopolitics is why I am subscribed. 👍

[@ancestralvril]

2 rooms full of books. That's crazy.

[@thingsofmarketing]

Also, feelings do not care about facts

[@M.O.N.K.3]

Long hair Jay is chalked up to the max brah

[@squidwardtennisballs3390]

Legendary stream. So glad you went over the Sexton debate part because you dismantled him quickly and precisely haha

[@scipioafricanus2195]

Alex has his quibywabbles in his wibbywabbles

[@kahnlives]

You debate O Connor ( I’d watch). He seems to have become the new Sam Harris, like we needed new one.🤐

[@sadworldwelivein2218]

Not gonna lie, you had a flow there I. The beginning. Gonna need to replay that track 😂. Twerking alien had me in tears

[@glennargento4849]

We need a greatest hits of all of Dyer’s songs!

[@Frankierios22]

Great stream Jay 🙏🏼🔥

[@sparkyy0007]

If naturalism is true, it's probably false and nothing really matters, it's all a crap shoot with no end point. If God is true, best find out just who he is and what he wants before it's too late. Peace and love God bless you all

[@brookalakin]

a ha! Pascal's wager I see!

[@sparkyy0007]

@@brookalakin The first statement is fact. The second justifies the logic of the first. God is not the end of a syllogism. He is why any syllogism can exist. Peace

[@brookalakin]

@@sparkyy0007I don't understand. The first statement is a is a proposition right? Not a fact, because the first statements of each syllogism of the syllogism here contradict each other, so they can't both be fact. They can both be propositions. Also, I agree with what you're saying, I was trying to point out how you're syllogisms are similar to pascal's wager, which basically communicate the same thing.

[@sparkyy0007]

@@brookalakin The first statement is neither a proposition or fact unless God exists, as to make such an assertion requires free will, logic and reason. Naturalism if true does not select for truth logic or reason, hence the justification of the statement "it's probably false". For it to be true and the author of truth logic and reason would be a very lucky random accident indeed. Hence the assertion, God is not the conclusion of a syllogism, but the only reasonable explanation any syllogism or it's derivatives can exist.

[@brookalakin]

@@sparkyy0007I see! Thank you for explaining to me. Well said!

[@CoranceLChandler]

There's the entire world of difference between saying 8 billion people didn't build a house and no one did. The second response falls into an entirely different category of explanations

[@reddotsxul8166]

Love the debate reviews Jay. It would be nice if you can review the WLC vs Kagan debate. I thought it was somewhat unique especially from the “high-academic/intellectual” sphere of debate

[@dietsodalite3716]

After reading Bonjour, Jay wood, and listening to you for years, its really frustrating that the vast majority of ppl dont understand epistemology. They never quite know what you mean when you ask for a justified true belief/epistemic justification.

[@theodore8285]

I really missed you Jay. I hope you are well, keep doing the good work of God. And Merry Christmas!

[@JayDyer]

missed me?

[@theodore8285]

@@JayDyer I missed you bro yes, I was back in your discord server the good ol' days. Time is limited now but I always enjoy following your work.

[@TrideepNagg]

@@JayDyerschedule a debate with Alex o Connor

[@Saimlordy]

​​@@TrideepNaggAlex won't agree

[@hinglemccringleberry9494]

He hit that Eddie Vedder impression of a Charlie Daniels song

[@LC12345]

Appealing to some innate universal human moral is only done by people who have not travelled the world. Different people and cultures have drastically different values and “universal” starting points.

[@joshw3010]

Anyone who says people innately feel bad for hurting other people has obviously never studied any history or even current events.

[@CollamrachTalks]

Mike claimed we come to truth through testing. I asked "how do you test for the truth statement, I'm thinking of a red wagon" He tried to claim brain scans could confirm what I'm thinking 😂😂😂

[@sirchristopher7684]

Dealing with boomer uncles I recommend the slow trickle method. I can tell my uncle's starting to see the things I say are not as fringe as he wants to think anymore. You just have to remember to not go off into speculation too much or you'll lose ground with them.

[@bristevenson]

The 'You will be my successor!' / Soy Puddle / SpeakinglikebenshapirowithnospacesorpunctuationatX2speed bit was hilarious 😂 High Tier!

[@cubiehole]

Flawless breakdown of the Purplesaurus Rex Internal Combustion Engine fallacy. Can't wait for the Sharkleberry Fin theorem to be put to rest.

[@bouboumonkey]

Awesome content. Great singing 👍

[@sdude456]

If our perceptions are merely an illusion, Alex, then how could we use them to make a statement about REALITY?

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

14:00 Jay revealing he factually actually got them pipes

[@thaimuayshoo1171]

Great conversation Jay. I think Rollo is more concerned about facts that are gathered through empirical science, and to his credit, he has stated that he believes worldviews do require presuppositions. That domain is without question your area of expertise but I think he's just more focused on the data regarding intersexual dynamics. I mean, who would want to debate all the smug airheads that you've debated over all these years? I give you a ton of credit there, I dont have the either the patience or the hard earned skill for that like you do. I know I couldn't do it 😄

[@BrohoshaphatG]

TIL cars are the one thing I could destroy Jay in a debate about.

[@mrscream2028]

2:15:21 “He’s got his quibby quobbles in a wibby wobble” 😂

[@pazu_513]

thumbnail game go insane

[@mr.blackman3312]

Lmaooo return of the mac karaoke lolololol

[@GilliPong]

Andrew Wilson, MadebyJimbob and Jay Dyer all in one podcast. #chadface

[@notoriousdip5495]

I can’t get the alien song out of my head. Curse it!!!!

[@mistareemystery-se7uv]

Bumble-dee-Dumble-dore 😂😂😂

[@throughhumaneyes7648]

Jay been effin around with sayin the Jesuits aren't that powerful and all that then he got a virus put in his spaghetti.. karma bro 😂

[@orthochristos]

Wow! When did this gem of a stream pop up?

[@Dominus564]

YOU'RE OUT OF UNIFORM SOLDIER! WHERE IS YOUR POWER ARMOR???!!!!!!

[@bebopbountyhead]

FYI, Jay: Cosmic Skeptic cribbed his free will argument from Scam Harris, so far as I can determine. It's the same "either determined or random" setup that Sam puts forward.

[@TheChamplooman]

Our star is still raising Dogg - Jay Dyer 2024

[@MirageScience]

There are rules to, "car go fast." Sounds like something that should be on a t-shirt.

[@Ransetsu]

Dang, i only sing "my heart will go on" by celine dion.

[@freethinkersilver2581]

Great stream.

[@Captnsouthpaw]

1:33:54 what do you mean bro. My car engine determined the truth of two propositions the other day.

[@DCWoodWorking]

Its called we have a little fun on Friday

[@Mattie_Ice]

Jay Country has a good ring to it. Nice voice Jay.

[@mistareemystery-se7uv]

Christmas just came early dawg. Please do more Dawkins voice.

[@pood40o72]

Ben Shapiro debate? That's a crossover I'd never expect on this channel ngl

[@marsstarlink3235]

Ever since the Oct 7 Gaza conflict the neocons and zionists have banded together, in the internet rhelm Alex Jones Show is a cog of the machine, Jay has a show there too and is not too far from the tree. They never confront the Zionist issue since they are with it, Ben Shapiro and Jay are now allies in this information war.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

Why Jay has analyzed the dumb crap Ben says multiple times over the years

[@KillYour_TV]

What do you mean? ​@@BrodyAleksander-YOB

[@hippios]

@@FastestSpeakerscornerhe has slandered our Lord. He’s also a lolbertarian who simps for Israel. Which is our enemy.

[@jasonkeha]

​@@FastestSpeakerscornerHe's gatekeeping people finding traditional values that are grounded in God. He essentially believes in classical liberalism, which led us to the place we're at now.

[@gabriellps2]

1:55:00 its so tiresome these debates, he says thats impossible to have any knowns but at the same time use knowledge to justify his position

[@sgameirojr]

Those are some strong cough drops. hahahaha

[@georgedoyle2487]

Been hoping for this review. Determinism undermines the claim that determinism is the “superior” and most “rational” position to “choose” LOL!!

[@crispyjitsu]

My mans can sing tho. Loving it brother Dyer.

[@pdstor]

1:13:00 I've started saying to my old crowd now, "I just believe in one God more than you." This gets heaps of anger for some reason; this turn of phrase seems to be a sacred cow of sorts among the Reddit crowd.

[@matthewgroh8797]

2:14:44 This is hilarious. Well done, Jay!

[@blargh2845]

Offspring goblin 😂

[@andrewpirr]

Was the Fordham sweatshirt a troll?

[@jigglypuff3311]

Jay likes Depeche Mode? Truly, the most based

[@andymontes3980]

1:43:10 timestamp

[@kennynoNope]

Has anyone written a book on TAG? any recommendations?

[@mudpuppin3tt3s]

Here's what he recommends, and I've read and it's great intro and thorough The Ultimate Proof of Creation by Dr Jason Lisle

[@Welcome2TheUnknown]

I F*ck'n LOVE Jay Dyer!!!!

[@crowellovecraft7289]

Hyper dimensional Realitttteeey

[@CosmicalChrist]

When are you gonna have a discussion with this guy?

[@danauburn1119]

9:13 get it alien...twerk for me....get it alien... doin work for me...uh-hu-uhhh 😩🎼🔥 lil space aliens from Mexico, where'd'ya gooo

[@tyronelol]

yo

[@leos3123]

At 1:55 Sceptic meant that the naturalistic deterministic world view, that he holds for factual, produces (as a side effect) the illusion of purposefulness, not that his worldview itself is illusory. He hasn't provided any substantial ground and arguments for his position and propositions though.

[@JayDyer]

if purpose is illusory then so are all predictions

[@GOODMUSIC670]

Might need some Strepsils for that throat, Jay!

[@abd_allah183]

Jay, what are your thoughts on the objection to the transcendant argument That states that laws of logic are just brute facts and therefore cannot be explained or do not require an explanation?

[@TheMeatyOne360]

It's special pleading that all other knowledge claims require justification, but logic doesn't. So it's a fallacy, and once someone appeals to brute fact you can just say your position is brute fact and that will demonstrate why claims need to be justified. If anything an appeal to brute fact is conceding that they have no way to account for logic.

[@abd_allah183]

@Tellios thanks for that. I have been trying to refite this for about two days now, and this answer hasn't come to me. God bless

[@JackCkiller]

Hey Jay, any chance you can upload this for your website subscribers. Thank you in advance. God bless 🙏 Ps. Sorry if you already did, I just missed it, I'm just super interested in the talk.

[@JacobMakesWaves]

55:15 haha meta4-mixologist in tha house

[@CoranceLChandler]

What is "free will" the more I think about it the less I understand it

[@johan_liebert2385]

The ability to will for greater goods. On atheism free will is impossible since everything is already chemically predetermined and one's mind is subject to the laws of the universe removing their will to choose anything. On theism it's solved though because everything comes from a means of divine providence.

[@CoranceLChandler]

@@johan_liebert2385 well, do you believe it's possible to act contrary to this will for the greater good?

[@johan_liebert2385]

@@CoranceLChandler That's a contradiction so it is logically impossible. It's incoherent

[@shadowpony9312]

Review the jordan peterson vs destiny debate

[@amazz121]

Karaoke

[@razoredge6130]

2:06:23 Can you show how to debate effectively? I need to improve my skills.

[@leos3123]

What are the objectifiable standards for the grade of justification of a belief or presupposition? With what criteria do we determine whether a belief or statement is justified and what constitutes an argument opposed to a mere subjective opinion? What is the definition of an argument in that sense?

[@andymontes3980]

1:50:26 lol

[@DouglasCharles83]

Did he ever get to them Aliens?

[@JayDyer]

No, title updated

[@DouglasCharles83]

Right on, still a great stream. Catch you next time.

[@Ac-ip5hd]

There was one twerkin at the beginning. All the aliens you need.

[@marincusman9303]

Bring back dyerwavee pls

[@Ac-ip5hd]

alg

[@nicholasklein9180]

2:15:20

[@Dikkaaawas]

1:33:00

[@mrwhite2039]

Wouldnt seculare morality = meterial morality by definition? Like if we change it to simply be naturalist morality, which would be the veiw that most secularist adopt. Then that would be by definition, meterial morality, and if that was the case meterial can be altered and that would mean moralitiy would be ever changing with no standard aka subjective. I think this is definitionaly true and it would make things a lot easier for us to cut through all this and have them just concede that they have no grounding or standard for morality.

[@nathanaelstunt7317]

Interesting that some many ignore that people frequently assume that evolution is a done deal.

[@joeyclank2204]

What happened to the amidtheruins intro music?

[@JayDyer]

just using new stuff

[@jeremyinvictus]

With regard to the whole "you're an atheist for the 999 other gods, we just disagree on this last one," all you have to do is change god to "worldview" and you'll see that the same criticism applies to the atheist. Everybody thinks they're right about the state of the world, despite the fact that almost everybody else who has existed disagrees with how you would view the world. But the atheist wants to keep this privileged position of only rejecting hypotheses, never defending any. Ok, you can do that, but then you have no business being in a debate. Also, in statistics there's Type 1 error and Type 2 error. I always mix up which is which but let's say Type 1 error is a false positive (claiming something that doesn't end up being right) but in this case the atheist is exhibit Type 2 error (failing to say a true thing is true). So taking this negative stance where you just reject worldviews all day means you are automatically wrong, just a different kind of wrong.

[@dialmformowgli]

♡

[@kristianbraun5604]

Rollo is a gold medalist yapper

[@jimnz17]

how are you NOT wasted?

[@Judges.]

🤠

[@trevorstevenson4038]

What is Jay Dyer smoking, he is always coughing

[@JayDyer]

I got an extreme case of flu in Italy as I explained many times.

[@trevorstevenson4038]

@@JayDyer I am new. All the best with your covid recovery. Love your singing.

[@boleslawthegreat]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@iconiclust]

Why’d you call me “dawg”? 😌