I have a follow up video on how to fix the noise issue with a few basic components: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jarXdYWFos-KgbM
@mscir Жыл бұрын
I just got one of these used on ebay $36 incl. shipping. So far it's working great. Your review is very well done. Thank you.
@TheStuffMade Жыл бұрын
Thanks, that's a bargain for a good bench power supply.
@grahamhall26625 ай бұрын
Had one of these for two years now, its a great PSU.
@TheStuffMade5 ай бұрын
Yeah, mine still works great too, it's really nice when you need a lot of power.
@jamesdc19933 жыл бұрын
Thanks the review! I've ordered one. You've saved me some cash because I'll be able to use this over the missing power supply that my robot lawnmower manufacturer wants £180 for!!
@robertgoodwin93494 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review, it was very informative. I have just ordered one from BG to use as a general bench supply for low power digital and analogue circuits. I might be doing your switching noise fix when it arrives... but first I'll be changing those output terminals!
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, much appreciated, Hope you'l get some good use out of your new power supply.
@tinkmarshino4 жыл бұрын
Dang.. very complete look at a cheap power supply.. I am gonna have to look at your other vid's thanks.. carry on!
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@zerodegrekelvin23 жыл бұрын
Nice review! The noise you show on the scope is very useful 8-)
@falconer1002 ай бұрын
My one worked good for a year charging small batteries, model train testing and general light use. Charging a 18650 lithium ion when " BANG " . One of the large capacitors blew its end off. Replaced capacitors but it only reads to 1.5v then falls away. I am purchasing another make of power supply for a replacement.
@TheStuffMade2 ай бұрын
That's a shame, mine still works fine after 4 years, it's always a lottery with cheap Chinese electronics. I did do a few modifications to mine to clean up the output. Cheers, Jake
@Lkabouter4 жыл бұрын
Just want to add something that I saw in my own model of this power supply : Check the earth wiring ! My one had its metal case not connected to earth at all ! The earth wiring was bad : from the rear mains socket the earth wire was only going to the pcb and via a pcb trace it was supposed to touch a metal stud which on turn was screwed to the rear of the case. But this had no connection at all because of the thick paint on the case surface ! Also the front earth terminal should have a better earth wire coming directly from the rear mains socket and not via a pcb trace. So here is what I did to improve the earth wiring : 1. make an earth wire from the rear mains socket directly to the metal case with an eye terminal fastened by a nut to a new and longer bolt in the rubber foot near the mains socket and scartch off some paint there for a good connection. 2. Leave the wire from the rear mains socket to the pcb. 3. make an earth wire from the mains socket directly to the earth output terminal at the front. 4. scratch off some paint on places where the metal cover is screwed on the metal case. (both sides) This ensures a good electrical earth connection everywhere and also a better shielding.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I did check the earth wiring on mine and it was OK, both to casing and the front earth terminal. However as is with all cheap Chinese electronics the quality control is very bad and some people get a good product while others get a faulty or dangerous product. Thanks for highlighting this potential issue.
@cyberwasp4614 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade maybe a quick video showing the fault and how to check it would be helpful!
@StrokersGarage2 жыл бұрын
I had the same issue, no continuity from ground/earth to the case. I scratched off paint from the housing in the back where the upper circuit board (pcb) connects to the metal channel bar. This allowed the screw to pass continuity from the bar that it screws into and then into the case. Now I have continuity.
@karlschwab64374 жыл бұрын
Excellent review! I guess that I don't understand the requirement to set the current. Thanks again.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! For adjusting the current there are 2 major use cases: 1. Current limiting is the most common. Here you use the current setting to limit the output current. This will prevent damage to the electronics project you are working on in case you short something by mistake. E.g . if you have the full 10A and you short a component, then you will most likely get a lot of smoke, however if you limit it to something like 250 mA, then nothing will get damaged. 2. If you want to charge e.g. a Li-ion battery, you would set the voltage to 4.2V and the current to e.g. 1A. Then when you connect the battery first the power supply will run in constant current mode and charging at 1A until it reaches 4.2V then it will switch to constant voltage mode and the battery will be fully charged once the current drops to near 0A.
@karlschwab64374 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Thanks for the current explaination, I did not know this! This sounds like a great feature, one that I don't have in my many bench DC power supplies. Also, none of my power supplies adjust to 30vdc, nice for experimenting. I use my supplies for amateur radio; MFJ, Pyramid, Astron. I am going to order a 3010; your review sold me on it! Thanks again
@greatwhitenorth76211 ай бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Thank you for the excellent review/explanation video and the answer above that allows me to finally understand how to use the 'constant current' aspect of my unit. I bought one of these many months ago and have used it a number of times but never understood how to set a constant current charge....the "instructions" that came with it are awful imo. Thanks again.
@guanilee4 жыл бұрын
I have the same one, and I've had problems with the included wires (banana to clip, black and red). It could handle only about 3 amps in my case. Thanks for the great review!
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, mine didn't come with any wires, just the mains cable, but it's a good test to short the wires and set the current to maximum, then see how much voltage drop you get. It should be very low, less than 1V for good wires.
@guanilee4 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Right. I did the short test and almost immediately the wires got burning hot around 3amps. There was no voltage drop at that point, so Im pretty sure the cables were bad. ☺️
@Aaron482193 жыл бұрын
Thought I was listening to JoergSprave testing a cheap psu. I kept waiting to hear a hearty "AH HAHA!"
@paco_rider4 жыл бұрын
I think it's going to be ok for some diy projects and a battery charger
@jorgefernando8305 жыл бұрын
Could you please film all the modifications that you will make?
@romydeleon87003 жыл бұрын
A great and very thorough review. I just got one for my self to use mainly for charging batteries and other DIY projects. The single turn Current Control Pot as you demonstrated is very hard to set especially in low settings, i.e. micro amps. Thinking abut replacing it with a multi-turn pot. Read from other users that they used the WXD3-13 2W 10K style pot. Will this be a proper replacement? Looking at the three wires can you comment which wires goes were on the replacement pot? Thank you.
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that pot looks like a good replacement if it fits inside, just solder the wires in the same order you removed them from the original pot. If the adjustment goes in the wrong directio you just swap wire 1 and 3 to resolve that. Let me know how it works out for you. Cheers, Jake
@romydeleon87003 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Thanks for the prompt response. Ordered the multi-turn pot and will let you know how it turns out. Thanks again.
@romydeleon87003 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Received the pots (ordered two for the price of one at less than $2 each) and installed one today. It's a perfect fit although a little tight. But with little maneuvering it'll get in without having to dismount other components. The wiring is basically the same if you number the old single pot terminals as 1, 2, and 3 starting from the left with the pot's stem facing up or facing towards you. Wires are marked as dots, "x's" and dashes and corresponds to terminals 1, 2, and 3 respectively. And these all transfer to the new pot terminal numbering as well. Current control is more positive and about the same control as the Voltage control. One thing I missed is the length of the stem of the new pot, it's about quarter inch longer than the old one. I didn't notice until the end and was just too lazy to dismount it again to cut it. So now the current knob is sticking out about 1/4 inch compare to the voltage knob. Maybe I can cut it later with a little dremel cutting tool. Cheers.
@RingZero2 жыл бұрын
Great video - Liked the heatsink. Any link to buying the heatsink?
@MrCkong4 жыл бұрын
Great video, good review and lots of valuable info for a non-electrical guy like me. I received the same power supply this afternoon and you just thought me how to use it. THX. :) Wondering though, what is it with the piece of cardboard?
@MrCkong4 жыл бұрын
BTW, I'm not going to use it as a measuring or testing unit, the 3010D is going to power up/heat up a homemade Nichrome wired acrylics bending table. I need more amperage for that than the max 2A that my old 240V AC Variac can deliver. And it's safer too (DC output). At least, I hope.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I believe the piece of cardboard was something left inside by mistake during assembly, it doesn't serve any purpose or do any harm, just a bit sloppy.
@MrCkong4 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade I thought so too, but then I noticed a similar piece of cardboard at the same spot in another review video. see here at 8:20 > kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnK3Z5uKjcqJnNk The Chinese must have a purpose for it, probably want people to note that allthough pretty well made, it still is a Chinese device. And I just opened mine, that I received yesterday, and there is a piece of cardboard in it too! It must be a feature! LOL And it looks to be there on purpose, to shield the PCB from the inductor. But at further inspection I don't believe it is cardboard, a pair of tweezers couldn't scratch or damage it and it's pretty sturdy, so I guess I just leave it there. Did you remove it?
@Lkabouter4 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade the piece of cardboard belongs under the large coil. No obvious functionality.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
@@Lkabouter yeah, you are right, it seems to be part of the assembly, quite unusual, at least I can't say I've seen anything like that before.
@aranguis3 жыл бұрын
See the past/future: Fixing the LongWei LW-K3010D Bench Supply Noise Issue: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jarXdYWFos-KgbM&ab_channel=TheStuffMade
@ABAYTEKNISI19933 жыл бұрын
I like this videos 👍
@yurkshirelad3 жыл бұрын
Is it too noisy for Aurdino/ESP8266/ESP32, 3.3V/5V sensors and basic circuits?
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
No it's fine for general use. If the noise is a concern then I did a video on how to implement a simple mod to get rid of the noise. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jarXdYWFos-KgbM Cheers, Jake
@two3fpv4 жыл бұрын
Hey, just got mine today. I am using it for testing and repair of diy quadcopter components. In your opinion do you think this will be good enough for such things? Thanks for the vid and info
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
It will be fine, thanks.
@xraykadiddlehopper80674 жыл бұрын
Question on the LED lights. I’m using this currently to top off a 24v LiFePo battery which has a max charge current of 28.8v. I set the voltage at 28.8 and 10a to charge but the red LED for c current comes on. If I lower the voltage it lights the c voltage LED. I need 28.8v to charge to full but would like the current to taper when approaching full. With c current the current doesn’t taper down is that correct? If I turn the voltage down for c voltage it isnt enough to top off the battery. I’m very much a novice and would like to understand the operation of this power supply Thanks
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Hi, the power supply behavior is correct. During charging you want constant current first, then it will switch to constant voltage until be battery is fully charged. Eg: in your case, lets say your battery is fully discharged down to 18V, then you want to set the power supply to max voltage for your battery (28.8V in your case) and dial the current to full before connecting the battery. Then you will see the power supply voltage display showing e.g. 25V (depends on the battery internal resistance and the resistance of the wires you are using to hook up the battery) while the current display shows ~10A, and the red LED will be on. Then while charging you will see the voltage display rising slowly until it reaches the set 28.8V and the power supply will switch to constant voltage mode, as in it will keep the output at the set 28.8V. During the constant voltage stage of the charging you will see the current display go from the max 10A down to 0A. Once 0A or close to 0A is reached the battery is fully charged. Make sure you use reasonably short cables with low resistance and good connections when charging at 10A otherwise it will take a lot longer to charge your battery. Hope this helps. Cheers, Jake
@xraykadiddlehopper80674 жыл бұрын
Great response 👍 That clearly explains my question thank you 🙏 I am subscribed ✌️
@hbk_61911 ай бұрын
Sir i need your help because my Longwei power is same ad yours but the Auxillary Fan i dont know if its working or No? Please Tell me if your Power Supply Fan Is turn On everytime you use it or you need to wait an Hour before it will Automatically Turn On Please answer me sir🙏🙏🙏
@TheStuffMade11 ай бұрын
Hello, this sounds normal, the fan is temperature controlled and will only switch on/off, there is no RPM/speed control. It will turn on when the power supply gets hot. If you just run the power supply with no load then the fan will only switch on occasionally for a short time. But under high load the fan will run more frequently. Hope it makes sense. Cheers, Jake
@hbk_61911 ай бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Thanks
@robertzeman43014 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know what is the Filter Choke Inductor (L6) on the bottom? It has no info on it only number "3" on the left and "HY" on the right. Thank you very much for any help. My power supply immediately blow when I plug it in even while it was turn off and the input AC was set right.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert, do you mean the common mode choke between the two yellow capacitors? Try contact the seller for a refund, quality control and consistency is always a problem with cheap Chinese products, some people get a good one while others get a faulty one.
@robertzeman43014 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Hi. Yes, I mean the common choke as you say. I have contacted the seller but its from Aliexpress and they dont care so... I have to try to replace it. I have found packs by 5 for about 2$ but the only thing I know its the size 10x13 mm and I dont know what value to chose, they are mostly 10mH or 20mH or 30mH. The only info I have now is from google when someone did calculation for 410V 10A power supply and it is 30mH so I guess Im gonna try the 20mH and 30mH and hope one of them its gonna work. I have EU Czechia 220V 16A 50Hz.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
@@robertzeman4301 You should still open a dispute on Aliexpress, I've gotten refunds for damaged and broken items in the past. Anyway, I'll take mine apart today and try measure the inductance of the choke. Did your choke open up? If it did then it's likely because something after the choke is shorted, these rarely fail on their own. If you have another current limited bench supply you can try disconnect from AC line and inject a low DC voltage e.g. 24V on the output side of the rectifier and see if that starts up the power supply or if it's shorted.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
@@robertzeman4301 I measured mine and both coils measure 1.1mH with an Rs of 60 milliohm @ 50 Hz, however the exact value is not critical, it's just part of the input filter, if your choke is open then you can just bypass each coil with a wire for testing.
@robertzeman43014 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Well I have soldered out the chokes and Ive tried bypass it with external power supply as you recommended (dc dc step down converter) and I have burned the converter as well heh, at least its just 5$, now I have also order P channel mosfests for the power supplies protection, it has been to many that I have burned :). I was checking the circuit on the LW-3010D with flash light if I can see anything burned and I checked few components with diode beep test but unfortunately I cant make it work. It has been more than 60+15 days for the Aliexpress so I cant open dispute now but I may have order new one and open dispute at the new one if you know what I mean. Definitely thank you very much for the tip with the external power supply and help with values, you have saved me about 2 months of waiting for new chokes and few bucks. Btw the flash light from behind the circuit makes it really nice to see all the components, you could try it in your videos.
@LinuxLoader1287 Жыл бұрын
Nice review
@mexicola223 жыл бұрын
Hello sir, may I please ask what is your educational background? Interested in working with electronic devices and do not want to damage phone PCB! Any guidance/ courses / books you can recommend would be appreciated! Cheers
@pierpa_76pierpaolo2 жыл бұрын
Then I put a voltage of 2.5 vdc but on the tester I measure 2.31. How come? With lower display always zero.
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
Either your multimeter or your power supply is our of calibration, impossible to say which one without more information. The Amp meter will always show 0 A until you attach a load.
@KillingHsX4 жыл бұрын
So do you recommend it ?
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I recommend it as a general purpose bench power supply. I'm using mine regularly and I haven't experienced any issues. However it's not a power supply suited for low noise circuity, for that you need a decent quality linear power supply.
@KillingHsX4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for replying back to me.
@starstreetadventures3 жыл бұрын
How would I calibrate the voltage and current output display when they do not match my external meter? I see there are adjustment pots on the inside but not sure which ones to adjust.
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
I haven't done it but I'd try the 2 trim pots on the display board in the front of the unit (see 23:35), And of course be very careful you will have lethal high voltage on the main board and exposed metal like heat sinks etc.
@jorgefernando8305 жыл бұрын
Could I replace that single turn potentiometer with a multi turn potentiometer? What's the best value of resistance and turns?
@TheStuffMade5 жыл бұрын
Yes, you could add a multiturn pot for the current, it would make a nice improvement.
@jorgefernando8305 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Could you make a video doing that? It would really help us a lot and I would appreciate! :)
@Lkabouter4 жыл бұрын
for just current limitation a multiturn potmeter is not necessary at all. If you are going to use it as a exact current source, it might be usefull.
@pierpa_76pierpaolo2 жыл бұрын
I too have this power supply but it leaves a lot to be desired since it does not deliver any amper when I try to power something. I adjust the voltage but I don't display any amper value!!! How come?
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
Try set the voltage to 5 V, then short the output of the power supply and adjust the current knob until it shows a value, e.g. 1A, (note the voltage will show close to 0V while doing this) if you can't do this then the power supply is faulty. BTW: make sure you connect your power supply leads to the two outside holes. The center hole is earth ground. Cheers, Jake
@kashubelua2 жыл бұрын
hi, i'm having this, now blinking when switched on, it turn on 1/10 second with fan but immediately turn off, fading, two second latter it turn on again and immediately off, fading, repeatedly, i we stored it months then at first try it worked, lasted 2 hours before it failed, doing this again... depending on voltage potentiometer position, the big transformer make a kind of tick tack, maybe just a result, nothing burned inside. Damn cheap thing, have an idea?
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
Hello, unfortunately quality control is always an issue with these cheap chinese products. It's really hard to say what the problem is without poking around with a multimeter and an oscilloscope. It sounds like it's either going into some kind of protection mode or it's losing power on the secondary side for the control circuitry. Does it have any voltage on the output? Cheers, Jake
@kashubelua2 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Yep, nice to see your interest. A dedicated voltmeter is able to see kind of pics at each restart, too fast for device to allow him correct reading i guess, it show randomly voltage from 0 to 6V anyway the V potentimeter is turned from min to max. Maybe i'll try some reading, at the end it will more probably end with a nice hammer tool to fix this thing destiny. what those Volts at output can tell? thx
@materialsguy20025 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the video. Which thermal camera did you utilize?
@TheStuffMade5 жыл бұрын
It's one of the small Seek cameras hooked up to an Android tablet.
@materialsguy20025 жыл бұрын
Thanks, the images look good. I will look into these.
@robingeorge99772 жыл бұрын
I have the same power supply.But 250v fuse inside the power connector socket is blown. Don't know how to change it. Any idea
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
It's very easy to change it, just remove the power plug, then use a flat screwdriver in the slot in the middle to pull out the small drawer with the fuse in it. Replace and push it back in place. Cheers, Jake
@robingeorge99772 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade thanks.. will try
@robingeorge99772 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade what Ampere would you recommend for the 250v fuse??
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
@@robingeorge9977 Just stick to the same type and rating as the one it came with. I believe it's a 1.5A fuse in mine. Cheers, Jake
@robingeorge99772 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade ok.. Cheers Robin
@xxvytas3 жыл бұрын
Are your outlet grounded? I just bought a same model (manufacturer name rddspon), measured I didn't get so deep spikes of the amplitude. Only in range about 0-40mV with short circuit load.
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
Yes, my outlets are grounded, but it wouldn't make any difference to the switching noise. When you do this measurement make sure you use a scope capable of 100MHz, have all bandwidth limiting switched off. I have a follow up video showing how to fix the switching noise issue if you search my older videos. Cheers, Jake
@xxvytas3 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade well for increasing better results of the measurment is not only a scope Max freq capability. A results of the noise are just spectrum domain summ. So you should be using a spectrum analyser (expensive stuff) or just some of cheap sdr. Conducted noises up to 30MHz can be solved with scope of course
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
@@xxvytas For power supply noise measurements it's common practice to use a scope, but sure, a spectrum analyzer is also useful if you care about the frequency range of the noise. Anyway, check the video I did on how to fix the noise with a few basic components. It will give you more details on the noise from this power supply and where it comes from: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jarXdYWFos-KgbM Cheers, Jake
@spac15655 жыл бұрын
hello what is the voltage ripple this source? I don't know the oscilloscope.
@TheStuffMade5 жыл бұрын
Not sure I understand, but the maximum ripple I measured with 240W load and 32V output was something like 500mVpp. Less ripple with less load.
@sureshlingabathina4 жыл бұрын
What is the model of thermal camera
@ajslim793 жыл бұрын
isn't the fan blowing air IN from the rear? should be, like it is mounted
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
I don't remember calling it an exhaust fan, but if I did then that is not correct. However it would be a better design if the fan was an exhaust fan sucking in cold air on both sides of the circuit board. Cheers, Jake
@ajslim793 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade you did.. 25:20 .. right now it's blowing air from the back onto the heatsinks and the coil
@MrBrymstond5 жыл бұрын
Can't we add a 63~400v 1~2uf poly filter/film cap to the outputs to kill that noise?
@TheStuffMade5 жыл бұрын
You might be able to remove a little more of the high frequency switching noise, but the ripple and the sine wave oscillation would remain the same. The unit already got filtering on the output with both chokes and capacitors. However the noise is not a big deal, it's to be expected from a switch mode power supply.
@MrBrymstond5 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Maybe remove the caps used for ripple and run a wire from there adding a few more electrolytic caps in parallel, may not look professional, but may help that ripple.
@TheStuffMade5 жыл бұрын
@@MrBrymstond I wouldn't recommend adding a lot of capacitance on the output of a bench power supply, it will ruin it's capability to limit the output current.
@MrBrymstond5 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade On the input after that double full bridge rectifier then.
@TheStuffMade5 жыл бұрын
@@MrBrymstond That is unlikely to make any difference on the output noise. Best you could do is probably to change the existing electrolytics with high quality low ESR types designed for switch mode applications, but I doubt it's worth the effort.
@markschlummer74353 жыл бұрын
Hi, would it be possible to increase range of ammeter to show mA?
@Red-cc4yl2 жыл бұрын
no
@hikolanikola87752 жыл бұрын
does it have any safety switch? i want to buy one to experiment but i dont want to fry it..
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't worry, these bench power supplies are very rugged and designed to be nearly impossible to destroy, you can short the output as much as you like. Unless you do something silly like connecting the output to the mains then you will be fine. Cheers, Jake
@hikolanikola87752 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade thanks
@tapanmajhi165 Жыл бұрын
I want to buy this product. Please help me.
@TheStuffMade Жыл бұрын
I don't sell them, just do a search for "LongWei LW-K3010D", they are available on ebay, Aliexpress, Amazon etc. Cheers, Jake
@douglasheld Жыл бұрын
2:52 It didn't turn off!
@TheStuffMade Жыл бұрын
It does, but the filter caps will keep it running for a few seconds after power off when there is no load.
@donaldhoot63864 жыл бұрын
I love Bangoods prices but that's about it! Super slow shipping, even when paying!, and SUPER slow customer service.
@donaldhoot63864 жыл бұрын
@@yoramstein Do not agree just got a great oscilloscope from Bangood.
@yoramstein4 жыл бұрын
Which model of what manufacturer? Rigol ? Siglent?
@janjanowski28914 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the warning! This power supply can kill more than one device!
@aaronemerick27193 жыл бұрын
You need a programmable load man!
@boonedockjourneyman79795 жыл бұрын
What is the point of no load testing?
@TheStuffMade5 жыл бұрын
The no load test is to see what the switch on behavior is like. It's the worst case scenario for a bench power supply to see if it over shoots the voltage.
@1959Berre4 жыл бұрын
I guess he does not trust it under load. It may release the magic smoke.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Considering I use many different loads during my review, can you perhaps point me to where you are talking about no load testing? .. Thanks