The Scientific Accuracy of Walking With Dinosaurs - Episode 2: Time of the Titans

20 years after it first aired, how accurate are the prehistoric creatures in the second episode of Walking With Dinosaurs? From Diplodocus to Allosaurus and Stegosaurus, what did this episode get right or wrong?
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[@rjsouthworth5246]

I remember what the BBC1 announcer said when the episode originally aired: “If you thought they were big last week, tonight a widescreen TV might be a good idea.”

[@iplayeddsharpminor]

Richard Southworth I just had a nostalgia overload reading that as I remember it exactly from the millions of times I replayed the VHS recordings :’)

[@rjsouthworth5246]

@@iplayeddsharpminor Exactly - and the Polacanthus walking across the screen with the BBC balloon in the background!

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

@@rjsouthworth5246 I thought announcers have gone extinct since?

[@gr8cescale]

@@sjonnieplayfull5859 Yeah, when that asteroid hit the BBC

[@mollflanders9314]

😆😆😆😆

[@rogerhinman5427]

I'm happy that most of these errors are because the science has improved, not because of production costs or lazy research.

[@ktsp2538]

Same here

[@TheBrendon67]

Absolutely. I wonder if the same can be said for productions from a different network, like the discovery channel... Particularly now-a-days.

[@kevinzhu6417]

we dont talk about discovery channel. its a shadow of its former self smh

[@CarlCreed76]

@Adam J. Harper For now. :(

[@Pangolin-Mandolin]

@@kevinzhu6417 RIGHT?! my Grandad used to love watching the Discovery channel when he was alive. And with good reason as the programmes mainly consisted of original documentaries examining a wide range of subjects. All it is now is the same moronic pseudo-reality, 45 minute advertisement, maskerading as 'entertainment' at best. I think that it says a lot about how 'they' are endeavouring to steer our thinking. Or rather, ensure that we do much less of it.

[@Scrinwaipwr]

1950s: Diplodocus has a semi vertical neck. 1990s: No, the bones wouldn't allow that. It was more horizontal for balance. 2010s: Actually, the soft tissue had more effect than we thought. 1950s version is actually not far off. I wonder what they will say next.

[@dubbingsync]

As long as it’s not Dinosaurs such as diplodocus lived mostly in water live one book I’ve read and hated while I was reading wanted to prove, i’m ok

[@Scrinwaipwr]

That must be a very old book. Living mainly in the water is what they thought sauropods did like a hundred years ago.

[@DinoMan_6]

Plot twist! They were TWO HEADED

[@eduardoestebanmartinezdele2219]

@Sgrinwaipwr "The 90s version is actually not far off"

[@Kyle_Schaff]

A brain in the butt

[@bezimiennykronikarz]

I remember when I was afraid of the last scenes with two Allosaurs as a child.

[@lukeskywalkerjediknight2125]

vOs xD

[@BaryonyxBoy-bz1qn]

Hold finally I am not the only afraid of the allosaurus scene

[@alexandralittle3915]

Hell, I’m a teenager now and that scene still scares me

[@INDORIPPER]

Looool

[@INDORIPPER]

You are cute

[@petarmilich8684]

I think this series helped start the love for Allosaurus.

[@bentramer682]

This series made me mad at Allosaurus

[@lukeskywalkerjediknight2125]

Sid Vicious why?

[@bentramer682]

@@lukeskywalkerjediknight2125 because it kept attacking the diplodocus, but I do appreciate its rise in popularity, and I especially like the design they gave this one.

[@gckbowers411]

I think Allosaurus was already a big deal. Before Tyrannosaurus, it was the go-to big predator dinosaur. Like in Valley of Gwangi and the Lost World novel.

[@Area-xm4rf]

@@bentramer682 So you're mad at the Allosaurus for killing a creature to survive?

[@LP4ever088]

Ah yes, next is Liopleurodon, though extinct, he lives on in memes.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Liopleurodon not being 25 meters is the paleo equivalent of Pluto not being a planet

[@voicingdragoon7]

That's a meme dino?

[@Soulraven2735]

@@voicingdragoon7 Candy Mountain calls for you

[@voicingdragoon7]

@@Soulraven2735 Candy mountain? The childrens board game?

[@neutronium9542]

@@voicingdragoon7 It's a reference to the Charlie the Unicorn videos.

[@martinkirbits4752]

The second episode always was my favorite. Also nice to see that you include "the making of" parts as i probaly watch that just as often as the actual documentary

[@kla1136]

I remember watching this show. The most inaccurate thing about this show is that the Leopleurodon is over 30m long.

[@Tibovl]

There used to be a time when this was the scientific estimate. I still have books where liopleurodon is listed as 28m long.

[@Jojozilla426]

Actually I think it was just perspective, I remember when I was a kid I was confused when it was beached because it looked so much smaller

[@signet84]

I suppose in the episodes defence the narrator stated that " he's big, even for his kind".

[@adamzabielski3685]

Then there's the T.rex. Short, dopey skull, dry skin, baggy neck, leg movement felt too CGI, Walking on its toe tips and a tail that is too short

[@maximaldinotrap]

@MinutemanSam Except didn't scientists actually discover Tropeognathus fossils about that size?

[@peterlewerin4213]

"generally being more hostile to members of their own species" **shows crocodile(?) buddies chilling**

[@peterlewerin4213]

@Dick Faggotson no that's crooks

[@peterlewerin4213]

​@Dick Faggotson I'm just being silly. Sorry.

[@JustSomeKittenwithaGun]

@Plain Water Animals can't murder...

[@imaredwhale2thenotsoelectr916]

@@JustSomeKittenwithaGun crocodiles kill zebras.... that's murder.......

[@JustSomeKittenwithaGun]

@@imaredwhale2thenotsoelectr916 Murder is the act of one human illegally killing another human. No other instance can exist outside of this as murder. Check your local lawbook.

[@SonKunSama]

Also a fun fact to point out about WWD is that at the time it was thought that grasses evolved after dinosaurs were long gone, so they put a lot of effort and resources into searching for locations with no grass to film at. Later it was discovered that grasses were already common in the dinosaur era so they wasted a lot of effort for nothing.

[@anakinskywalker2707]

Thats funny,but their effort is quite cool isnt it.

[@monolophosaurus]

Once you do The ballad of Big Al, are you gonna do The Scientific Accuracy of Walking with Beasts/Monsters?

[@matthewng7893]

YESSSS

[@romanapernaa4986]

I have always cringed at the idea that baby sauropods were abandoned as eggs, later to somehow join the herds. That's not efficient at all. I think it's more likely young sauropods cared for their younger siblings.

[@billclintonscomputer1408]

I really wonder how capable of emotion these animals were

[@brandonshmandon1799]

heheheheheheheheheh Likely as much as most modern animals do today, it would probably differ species to species.

[@katk7505]

@Steve Blakley depends on what type of bird you mean... Corvids and parrots are far more emotional than dogs

[@TheUberguitar123]

@Steve Blakley how "GENITAL" they are with them?

[@katk7505]

@Steve Blakley i don't know anything about penguins just parrots & corvids lol

[@siltyclayloam8739]

@Steve Blakley do you mean 'gentle' i agree tho people dont realize that reptiles are also capable of emotions and attachment, just since theyre so vastly different from us that its hard for us to understand them.

[@Oguh608]

I remember watching this multiple times when I was a kid.

[@Martial-Mat]

5:34 Oh come on, you're not going to tell me diplodicus carried their young on their tails?! ;-)

[@lukeskywalkerjediknight2.013]

Lol 😂

[@0zzysaurus]

Yay!! Already in love with this series!!

[@rjhamler5324]

Time of the titians is my favorite episode love every part of it also it's how diplotocus became one of my favorite sauropods ever just the inclusion of so much into 1 episode is amazing from the allosaurs being one of my favorite in all of the dezines in the series to seeing some sweet dino fights it's been one of my favorites in the entier series.

[@DarDarBinks1986]

Walking With Dinosaurs really needs a fresh coat of paint.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

What,Like that 3D movie they made? I’m not sure if the series was edited or rebooted that it would have the same heart to it. Better to hope other dinosaur documentsries take the mantle.

[@Eggnog88]

Greater Grievobeast 55 no, the documentary

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Egg Nog thats what i’m saying. People are just gonna make it worse than the documentary series. I suppose its not i,possible to do so,ething new with the series considering all the spinoffs but it would be difficult.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Egg Nog thats what i’m saying. People are just gonna make it worse than the documentary series. I suppose its not i,possible to do something new with the series considering all the spinoffs but it would be difficult.

[@LordVaderTyrannus]

Very well put together video, I'm a huge fan of the series too. I can't wait for the rest, especially Giant of the Skies and Death of a Dynasty (those are my favorite episodes)!

[@lucjicare]

absolutely love these since this was probably the single piece of media I watched most as a kid and still holds the number one spot of dinosaur documentary till this day for me. even with the utahraptors being naked chicken. I'd also love it if you talked a little bit about the sounds the dinosaurs made like the rumbling and bellowing of the diplodocus and the roaring of the allosaurs and if that's in any way accurate. Keep it up!

[@michaellouton3870]

Sweet!!! I was hoping you’d keep on with this series. Thanks so much! Keep up all the great work. Take care.

[@SoranMBane]

Really looking forward to the Big Al review. That special is the reason why Allosaurus was my favourite dinosaur as a kid.

[@Ragatokk]

Imagine a remake of this series, using the latest technology, knowledge of the most accurate, up-to-date discoveries, and narrated by Ben G Thomas.

[@Artsy.Journeys]

I love how dedicated you are to this. It's nice and enjoyable for me to find channels like this that gush over dinosaurs and the many discoveries we've made over the many years we've known of their existence. It's also fun to reminisce about this classic series. I really would love to see a remake of this old classic, with better CGI and more attention to detail, such as the 'fleshing out' of the faces, and designing the front and rear feet of the sauropods more accurately as you noted in your video. The new evidence presented for Stegosaurus was news to me, at least regarding the length of the neck and tail and the fact the body was a bit shorter than previously thought. The model for Allosaurus (SP?) always bugged me, though. That was something I had noticed right off the bat. They'd modeled the horny protrusions right over the eyes and the shape of the skull didn't seem right. The bottom jaw was too wide, too. The skulls I've always seen in museums taper down A LOT near the end of the snout. I'm not sure if I remember your take on Liopleurodon but I'm very curious. I think he was my favorite animal featured in the series, other than the sauropods. Great vid, and excited for the next!

[@oakdew]

Really glad you commented on the environment, as that is quite important in discussing what the lives of dinosaurs might have been like.

[@CHYRRUPINZAZ]

Love the video, I can't wait for the next one

[@verde7595]

Diplodocus ate from the ground. We know this because of the teeth. The leading theory is that the neck was so long so they could eat things from muddy wetlands without risking getting stuck. PBS Eons did a great episode on that just yesterday, actually.

[@eypick6987]

03:18 Idk man... Eating dirt on the ground is pretty sexy.

[@Marco_______]

For me it’s the movement of the dinosaurs that I’ve always loved and found the most accurate. For example: compare the swinging of stegosaurus’s tail in this episode and the BBC show Planet Dinosaur. It’s so much slower here with weight to the swing.

[@laurachapple6795]

Make them as long as you want - just gives us more time to enjoy them! :)

[@nagatobimarul7005]

For the vertical position of the neck and the fact that they cant reach high up in the trees like other sauropods it explains it in the episode saying that instead it is used to feed on short plant material in long distances without the need of moving that much for feeding spearing energy.

[@qnebra]

That will be amazing. Proper continuation of Walking With Dinosaurs with updated designs with latest paleontological knowledge about these animals.

[@SilentMingan]

When it comes to diplodocus, I wouldn't be surprised if there was an adaptation in place that allowed the dinosaur to control its blood flow through the same means modern day giraffes do. Unfortunately, soft tissue doesn't usually preserve.

[@John12kk]

YEEESS YEEESS! this is why this is one of the Best paleo channels in youtube

[@allthelittleworms]

I would've mentioned that stegosaurus did not chew, but stripped plants like sauropods would, and thus probably would've lacked cheeks.

[@Conero08]

Great analysis! You ever think of reviewing When Dinosaurs Roamed?

[@YourHaloCreations]

Used to rent this on VHS as a kid from my public library… great stuff from BBC

[@dynamoterror18]

After reviewing Walking With Dinosaurs, you should review Dinosaur Planet next! It's the first dinosaur documentary I've seen.

[@jupekai4601]

I was 13 when this series aired on tv, I have been fascinated with dinosaurs since I was 5 and I loved this series and I still do, despite parts of it being inaccurate, for when it was created it was still good. Also, I really hope you do more of these, one for each episode as I've really enjoyed these two parts.

[@nonever9130]

I read in an article on futalongkasaurus about how other sauropods held their necks vertically proven by how the muscles that support the weight of the neck attach to the vertebral spines

[@shibolinemress8913]

"Thagomizer" still makes me chuckle! 😊

[@Shortdood]

A point about the Sauropods having long necks, one theory i didnt hear you mention was that they evolved long necks so they could also evolve long tails, as its needed to balance the animal. The tails are a great weapon for self defence as is shown in the show, and the animals who had longer tails would be more likely to survive and breed, but they also needed longer necks for longer tails ect and evolution does its thing.

[@Niggins96]

I know it's early doors but is there any chance of the other "walking with" series' being covered here.

[@commandoquackers1910]

I love these videos, love love love it! I remember a young child watches these series with complete ore! Still to this day my favourite and hands down best Dinosaur TV show ever made! And as you say stood the test of time for entertainment

[@kbowen2251]

So glad to see you continuing this series!

[@sgtmayhem7567]

I loved the entire Dinosaurs, Prehistoric Beasts and Cruel Sea trilogy, when they came out they were groundbreaking. Some of my earliest childhood memories involve being awed by the dinosaur fossils in the American Museum of Natural History and voraciously reading books like “The Hot Blooded Dinosaurs”, in the 70’s and 80’s books if you wanted to learn about dinosaurs, books were the only game in town and you had to physically go to the library or bookstore. I was in my late 30’s when “Walking with Dinosaurs” came out and I watched each episode and then the reruns multiple times. My love of dinosaurs goes back over 50 years, when I was in Kindergarten I got a 5’ tall styrofoam T-Rex skeleton that I really wanted to bring in for show and tell, my Dad must’ve had the car because my Mom who was 5’3” carried it to school for me through the center of town. People driving by were honking and waving it was really intimidating for me then, but it must have been a hilarious sight. Thank you for the even handed and respectful critique of this beloved program.

[@Riinkun]

About the Diplodocus gait: I'm pretty sure that in the behind the scenes for this episode they also mentioned how they tried to base the walking motion off an African elephant's, which is why their locomotion looks as realistic as it does for such a heavy animal.

[@dont-hurt-me2519]

At 9:15. I'm surprised you didn't mention that in the behind-the-scenes; Mike Milne, Kent Stevens & some of the animators observed elephants in order to get an idea for the movement of the Diplodocus. They specifically state that for the Diplodocus, they kept the same movement of the limbs as the Elephants but changed the speed & fluidity to being slower than the Elephants. Kenneth Branaugh also states that Diplodocus always have at lest 3 legs on the group to support their weight whenever they are moving.

[@trex2251]

Really love this series you’re doing, makes me wish they’d redo WWD

[@juanyusee8197]

Another thing worth noting is while the programme mentioned old individuals of Diplodocus that were around 45 metres long, which although now inaccurate, the basis for it remains accurate: It was based on an idea that "Seismosaurus" was just a large Diplodocus, something which was confirmed years later down the line: web.archive.org/web/20040604010313/www.bbc.co.uk/dinosaurs/sci_focus/production2.shtml

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

"why would they have such long necks if they weren't going to use them to reach higher?", while a fair point in the specific case, one explanation/speculation I've heard was that sauropods with horizontal neck positioning is that they would use their long necks to eat all the vegetation around them with minimal need to move their bodies, thus saving energy and allowing them to grow bigger and bigger bodies, leading to their defensive strategy of just being to big to bother attacking once fully grown.

[@TheValleygirl1981]

I have the entire series on DVD and still watch it quite frequently but unfortunately my family doesn’t share my passion for it so every time I put it on in the living room there’s this very loud groan from everyone else who happens to be in the living room at the time. Lol but I still watch the entire thing, start to finish including the making of film whether they like it or not. Seeing these videos you have made about the film makes me realize I’m not the only adult who never grew out of their childhood dinosaur obsession. Lol

[@SirCaIIum]

Thanks for making this series, as a small child I watched this and have loved Dinosaurs ever since :)

[@k0chum]

I would fall asleep to the VHS tapes of walking with dinosaurs when I was a kid. I watched them so many times.

[@frogglen6350]

Walking with Ben G Thomas

[@aidanquinn2282]

So glad u decided to continue

[@thegreatcannoli189]

This right here is my childhood. I don't care if it's inaccurate, it's better than any other dinosaur documentary ever made

[@greenman5555]

Feathers on Allosaurus would not have been very likely. Allosaurus were probably mob hunters like komodo dragons or crocodiles, only coming together when the smell if blood was in the air. Ultimately, the biggest predator got to feed first and didn't share well. Allosaurus Paleo-Art - www.artwanted.com/imageview.cfm?id=1485307

[@gemthepolyglot3258]

He should talk about what new science has discovered on dinosaur vocal sounds. For example, theropods such as allosaurus and tyrannosaurus are not believed to have the ability to roar anymore by many paleontologist.

[@jakesutton4603]

Another thing I noticed you didn’t touch on was in Ornitholestes, it was found they had a small toe claw similar to dromaeosaurs that some paleontologists believe was used for an arboreal lifestyle. This is debated but the claw is known for sure

[@mysterioussoup3393]

The biggest part of my childhood is this tv series. Good old British television.

[@uriwolkowski5042]

Another great and very informative review video on this magnificent series. Anyway, I was surprised you didn't mention the overestimated size of the Diplodocuses, which was based on the assumption "Seismosaurus" is just an adult Diplodocus. After some debate this seems to be the case today, but we also know it was far smaller than estimates in the 1990's claimed

[@seanyboyc86]

“Why would sauropods have such long necks if not to graze on higher up foods.” - is there not a theory that long necks held horizontally gave the advantage of a much wider “feeding envelope” for dinosaurs so huge? To allow more grazing with less motion cost.

[@MrDadhhg]

I think it would be interesting to talk about the different dinosaur vocalisations in the episodes. Like most films from back then they use a lot of sounds from animals like crocodilians and large mammals like elephants to compose their sounds, when modern science suggests many more bird like sounds and possible social communications. If that is within your particular purview.

[@BenGThomas]

That's definitely another thing I was thinking about including, unfortunately the video got pretty long already. I think I'll do a sort of summary of the vocalisations in the last episode :)

[@helgemeff5555]

Walking with Dinosaurs really had an impact on my Childhood. I wish I could show my future children something similar.

[@goddammitalana]

Thank you, Ben!! Fascinating, high-quality content, as usual❤(:

[@ianoYG]

So glad I found your channel! I loved Walking With Dinosaurs as a child too! Please do Walking With Beasts etc too, once completed :)

[@Sarah-vo2qu]

I never actually watched this series growing up (aside from a viewing of the third episode, which I vividly remember the liopleurodon from, and am sad that it was so inaccurate) , so it's fun to be able to watch it alongside these videos and while also getting a modern assessment of it. I so look forward to the continuation of this series!

[@own4801]

3:06 To balance the giant tail.

[@kernowpictures2002]

Allosaurus is depicted as 'The top predators of their age". Even though Saurophaganax was the Largest Theropod in the Morrison Formation.

[@dubbingsync]

I would assume any missing toes or features would mostly help to keep on budget, especially going by how long it would take to render the CGI at the time.

[@akumaking1]

22:23 three-year-old spying chocolate chip cookies

[@igris6128]

Its amazing we are able to know all this things from ancient times with just a few rocks.

[@axelgil1083]

In the book of Walking With Dinosaurs, they explained that they moved Anurognathus on purpose to North America to appear in this episode. Also, nobody is going to talk about the hypertrophied claw in Ornitholestes foot? 23:33. It's a relative of the dromaeosaurs, but not one of them.

[@Jarod-vg9wq]

Allosaurus is still terrifying They don’t called it “the lion of the Jurassic” for nothing

[@peterlewerin4213]

A long horizontal neck is still good for wide browsing without moving the body very much.

[@cozyoni1425]

Pack hunting is probably close to impossible to fossilized so all we can do is speculate with most therapods. I personally propose something a bit more complex crocodiles and other reptiles(which can be surprisingly social), but not super complex like with lions or wolves.

[@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal]

I always figured that dinosaurs didn't actually take territory but instead wandered this is because things that take territory like wolves are almost always pack hunters and It wouldn't really make sense for a group of allosauras to just leave territory to go hunt a saurapod

[@thundercliff93]

Too bad i cant give a double like for this!

[@carrioncrow13]

The Anurognathus reconstruction design looks kinda cute in a cursed way.

[@alexandralittle3915]

“And I suspect the future episodes will be even longer” *happy paleoartist noises*

[@gandurk]

This is a question and not a rhetorical statement, but didn't they present diplodocus' long neck as a benefit allowing them to graze large areas of grass with minimal movement, and that it's teeth were unsuitable to more hardy plants meaning it likely grazed on softer plants lower towards the ground?

[@DaVideoGameBeastr]

Have you thought about doing the accuracy of Prehistoric Park to? That show was also a big reason why I got into paleontology

[@dont-hurt-me2519]

I look forward to your episode on Cruel Sea. It's important to note that there are actually two types of small ornithopod in Time of the Titans. A group of red-faced, dark bodied ornithopods are seen in the redwood forest right before we're introduced to the Ornitholestes & Baby Diplodocus. Then there's the red-faced, striped bodied Ornithopods that we see on the open plains with the Stegosaurus before we're introduced to the adult Diplodocus. I don't know if they were the different ornithopods or the same but the only small ornithopods that fit either description would be Dryosaurus & Nanosaurus/Othnielia/Othnielosaurus/Drinker.

[@mollflanders9314]

My favorite book, when I was a kid, was a prehistory book of all these amazing extinct creatures, and all the dinosaurs were green, bald and dragged their tails on the ground, lol.

[@Smurfman256]

It never ceases to amuse me that the official scientific name for the Stegosaurus' tail spikes came from a Far Side comic.

[@ryangreenwood9144]

It's possible the diplodocus are marsh feeders not tree browsers. If the necks were horizontal this might be why.

[@oweneastwood2223]

wow of all the animals in this series why did they have to do anurognathus so dirty

[@pootispenser5089]

I have loved dinosaurs as long as I can remember and these documentaries blew my mind when they came out. Although many of the reconstructions have proven to be inaccurate, the creators' careful attempts at portraying them as living, breathing animals have definetely inspired me to stay up to date with the scientific findings in the field of paelontology.

[@Zoog2020]

Damn I love seeing how our understanding has improved. We’ll have to do this again when it turns 40 lol

[@TitanCJM]

I would love it the BBC and Tim Haines decided to do a remastered version of the Walking WIth series with improved special effects and the opportunity to fix the errors of the original.

[@hedgehog3180]

God watching this really makes me wish for a new series now that animation has gotten so much better and we've especially finally really mastered feathers and fur. It would be so cool to see an animated dinosaur with a full feather coating that moves realistically and reflects light realistically.

[@franceslambert8070]

Another great video. Thank you, very much.

[@jefferywise1906]

Just throwing out that sauropods on a savanna would be scarce if they only att taller plants. A long neck would be advantageous in coverage of a lot of shorter browse from alone spot. Just to keep the talking points going.

[@MichaelParthum]

The Stegosaurus hitting the baby Diplo always bothered me.

[@Sharnoy1]

Amazing job! Please keep up the good work!

[@GeraltofRivia22]

If the Diplodocus had its neck in a raised position all the time, wouldn't that already mean the head is several meters higher than the heart?

[@millenniumf1138]

Anurognathus basically looks like a flamboyant Night Fury dragon.

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

It was ads. Stegosaurus probably was one of the poorest dinosaurs ever and so it had to wear ads on his back to make a living. Now there's competition and so of you wanna feed your young... grow those plates!

[@cal7961]

I love these. You outta do them for all the “Walking with” shows.

[@knate44]

I'm really loving this series as both a celebration and critique of the classic series. Do you have any plans to do the other in the same line like Walking with Monsters? The Carboniferous and Permian are my jam.