Benny Morris Gets Called Rac*st In Fiery Debate w/ Mehdi Hasan

History, genocide and Israel’s war on Gaza: Mehdi Hasan & Benny Morris | Head to Head
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[@LastNightDestiny]

He Blew Through His Inheritance And Blames Other People | Dumbest Person On Financial Audit ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHKmiGOXjbZjqck

[@user-wh9vy2fx8y]

RACISM REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@SammyT690]

The nukes do complete their reaction when another bomb disturbs it. We tested it and ended up launching a steel cover over 150,000 mph or 195x the speed of sound and was possibly the actual first man made thing sent into space.

[@actionalex3611]

A little disappointed you didn´t include the gentleman in the audience who used the argument of killing 100 civilians to get to 1 combatant and that if you do that thousands of times over, destroying almost all infrastructure in the process, it would be considered a genocide. Valid point to mention, i think.

[@hellsonly8908]

Stealing other people's homes because long ago their Jewish ancestors intermarried with other people like the Arabs in s racist.

[@Majorwindy]

Poor Benny. If only he had Mr Borrelli on his side here.

[@mondomendez5165]

That’s only one. Don’t forget also Mr Bonnelli.

[@marcusmcclain3251]

And Mr. Fonzerelli

[@TheEngineer4077]

What Benny really needs is a Mr. Benelli to ride shotgun with him. :D

[@SacredCASHcow]

​@@mondomendez5165 I thought it was Bonerelli

[@stephsnotfluffy]

Mr spaghelli

[@matthemming9105]

Mehdi did write a whole book on how to WIN an ARGUMENT, and bombarding them with quotes is one of his tactics.

[@halofornoobs93]

Sounds more like a book on how to END an ARGUMENT rather than how to WIN one.

[@gosblowup3044]

It's a hollow win. All you do is rally the ignorant, the uncurious.

[@firghteningtruth7173]

Sounds like a book on how to gish gallop. 😂

[@matthemming9105]

Sorry, I forgot to add that yes, it's a win, but not one based on the objective truth, just on tactics for controlling and shaping the exchange to make him sound smarter and more incisive than he actually is. Benny at least calls him out on it, but should have known better what he was getting into.

[@russki_dabb872]

I am currently reading his book. It reminds me of 48 Laws but in the context on how to argue with people. Looks like when Hasan says “How to win arguments,” I think he probably meant that literally and not based off of whether you can bring facts to the table in support of your arguments.

[@YuvalDorfman]

El jazeera is biased towards Palestinians ?? Nooooooooooo

[@harryhairo7272]

90% of media is biased towards israel noooooooooo

[@moonants]

I think the standard answer to Mehdi should be " you said Lord Balfour hated Jews and misquoted him when he said exactly the opposite"

[@viktorkc1154]

@@moonants you are saying lord Balfour was not anti semitic?

[@moonants]

@@viktorkc1154 In the Monk debate with Douglas Murray, Mehdi said that Balfour was antisemitic and said that he referred to the Jews as "an alien and hostile people" - Natasha Hausdorff then exposed Mehdi's bias and read out the actual quote where Balfour referred to the Jews as "too long regarded as alien and hostile" - a classic slam dunk, for which he had no response or apology. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqKYXoRrqcx2bqM

[@bluecheesey701]

Really you believe this? Lol

[@djon3043]

@@moonantslol Medhi on his phone too in the middle of it. Probably telling his intern to make sure they read the whole quote before adding it to the “gosh gallops” google doc next time.

[@moonants]

@@bluecheesey701 Believe? - I saw it!

[@ItsJustCartier]

I feel so sorry for Benny tryna be honest in front of a bunch of bad faith actors tryna get clips for their channel.

[@Coolinteresting876]

Benny Morris is bad faith actor.

[@virdixxii8341]

You're a bad faith actor​@@Coolinteresting876

[@gambitbeats2154]

​@@Coolinteresting876 how so

[@halofornoobs93]

@@Coolinteresting876 In what way? He engages every question he is asked? Do you even know what a bad faith actor is?

[@MateoMPM]

I don't know man I saw that benni answered every question even those that would make him look bad or R*cist ​@@Coolinteresting876

[@voidlover-eu1og]

This way of interviewing is so disgusting. This is the furthest thing I could possibly imagine from what journalism should be.

[@danielquartler1527]

He isn't a journalist. He is a dishonest and manipulative man.

[@evanb4189]

Medhi has a stadium of Muslims to applaud after every word and still can't even argue without just interrupting with rambling Hamas death tolls.

[@Drachma13]

@@evanb4189 did you actually listen to the whole thing, or did you just watch this take?

[@helforsite3130]

@@Drachma13 I watched the whole thing, what do you disagree with in his comment?

[@bowlofcinder482]

Silence in return...​@@Drachma13

[@FBerg5646]

Its the usual pro-palestinian cult-like behaviour.

[@FBerg5646]

Its the standard cult-like behaviour from these people.

[@boredom5132]

An hour of quote farming and moral grandstanding from Medhi. What a waste of time.

[@dr.virtuoso]

if any arab said anything what benny said , people like you would be foaming at the mouth.

[@synchronium24]

@@zevkurtzman8108 Yes, but it's the Palestinian side.

[@dr.virtuoso]

@@zevkurtzman8108 So do you think black americans are barbarians cause they dispaportionaly commit crimes. Also he is not correct on things. He is correct that west bank approaches appartheid, in the 1980's jacobo timerman said the same thing. Is DGG now just neocon and ben shaprio racism to arabs now lol.

[@bipolarkeyboard]

@@zevkurtzman8108 "liberals" lol

[@dr.virtuoso]

@@zevkurtzman8108 what do you mean one side is correct?

[@louie3216]

Mehdi Hasan was a massive piece of sh*t towards Benny here, totally bad faith. No wonder he was booted from MSNBC.

[@Coolinteresting876]

A okay, Israel bots.

[@louie3216]

@@Coolinteresting876 my guy, he falsely accused Benny of being a genocide denier/apologist

[@Coolinteresting876]

@@louie3216 ok, Israel bots.

[@460mas]

@@Coolinteresting876really

[@idado3250]

​@@Coolinteresting876 Says the guy who spammed the same comment twice, without engaging with what was said

[@Creslin321]

The main problem I have with the typical Palestinian advocate, is that it seems like their ONLY perspective is that Israel is an evil colonial power that is an invader in Palestinian land, and should not exist. This is an EXTREME position. This position basically advocates for the complete elimination of Israel. Why don't any Palestinian advocates say something more reasonable like "Israel's response in Gaza is too extreme." Or "The current Israeli government clearly is not interested in peace because they keep expanding settlements into the West Bank." They never say these kinds of things. It's ALWAYS Israel is an evil colonial power that shouldn't exist. There's a reason for that.

[@hata6290]

Antisemitism :(

[@WanderTheNomad]

The idea of big bad guy is easier to get inside people's heads than a side with a different but valid perspective. It's also emotionally more appealing to think you're fighting against inhuman monsters rather than people with legitimate reasons behind their decisions.

[@LittleAriel]

The answer: the Palestine cause is a cult. It stems from the identity itself, which is an anti-indentity (anti-Zionist) rather than a positive meaning identity (like with a distinct culture, tradition, language, history). So it's not surprising, unfortunately. It may seem provocative, but in truth, apart from hating Israel, they don't have anything in there that distinguises them from their Arab brethren.

[@R2d2..]

@@hata6290 As an Ex Muslim, it’s not only that… If Israel was Yazidi for example (minority of the Middle East that Muslims persecuted like Jews), they would cry about it just like now. Cry about apartheid and racism and oppression because one country managed to free itself from actual apartheid and oppression. If Israel was Muslim and also get arabized, they wouldn’t care a single bit. Just like a Palestinian identity would’ve never existed if the land was given to Egypt or Jordan. No freedom fighters, no identity, nothing they would claim.

[@R2d2..]

And that’s what they raise Palestinians and the entire Arab-Muslim world with. They claim everything in the Middle East is originally Arab and Muslim. If it isn’t, it’s colonized and stolen. Growing up, we were told that before Israel was declared a state, all religious and ethnic minorities in the Middle East used to live peacefully with Muslims together but then the evil Jews came. Which couldn’t be further from the truth. But it’s enough to just repeat a lie. Most people would never dare to question them.

[@DanielCollins419]

I don't think I've ever seen medhi hasan have a good faith conversation with someone he disagrees with ever.

[@Sid00077]

I don't think I have ever heard him have a good conversation. Well, his appearance on Krystal and Kyle's pod was decent but that was about it. And I am with him on the Israel v Palestine issue.

[@Rallylabs]

Me neither, he’s a hack with no journalistic ability(beyond doing smears) or integrity, who sucks up to his bosses and viewers constantly.

[@hikelfin5941]

@@Rallylabs Mate no offense but this has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

[@atheistanarchist]

Yeah because Benny's totally good faith here

[@Rallylabs]

@@atheistanarchist in what way is he bad faith?

[@chuck7473]

Mehdi is reading this off a card but all these quotes are objectively wrong, Morris did not say this: ... Palestinians, Arabs, muslims, you've called them barbarians, you've said they have no moral inhibitions, you've said they ought to be caged... And then Mehdi just moves on SHAMELESSLY

[@mkwke215]

Destiny, please avenge Benny against Mehdi. 😢😢

[@bhaavyaarora8562]

You know it's bad when even dgg fans admit benny was fucking obliterated

[@voidlover-eu1og]

​@@bhaavyaarora8562how was he obliterated? Hasan just read quotes out of context. This is not journalism; this is retardation.

[@myym79]

No one said he got obliterated due to substantive reasons. He was quote-sniped by Mehdi who doesn’t know and/or isn’t willing to discuss historical context with Benny. Mehdi even obfuscates by saying “I am showing the full context” of a quote from Benny, nothing about the tension during the second intifada, which is not a substantive argument to state Benny’s overall perspective of the Israel-Palestine conflict. This event was just meant to boost support for Palestinian self-determination, degrade Israeli/Jewish self-determination, and to further distort any rational discussion that could be held on the conflict by painting all arguments for Israel’s existence invalid.

[@uszpdoz]

​@@bhaavyaarora8562 yes he got optically obliterated because destiny even said morris is not a debater and that's not a bad thing to say or admit.

[@Aj-qb3pr]

Destiny vs. Medhi would be a great debate. But Medhi is on a much higher level when it comes to debate than the people Destiny usually debates.

[@dagarbos]

I think Benny is actually pretty good at debate. He doesn't lose his cool, he has an answer to everything, bites bullets, He doesn't really go on the offensive but he does call out the dishonest tactics.

[@srd2725]

yeah, to anyone who is neutral on the issues here he comes off looking much better

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Just a little tidbit Benny didn't mention when discussing demographics, Netanyahu was born to secular parents to be clear and Likud is secular. Being right wing isn't only about being religious, it's about being specifically orthodox when being religious most of the time too. Not to mention, those obviously aren't the only things that drive people to the right (violence often is...).

[@yummybacon8893]

How are you under Destiny comment sectionnnn Culture Shockkkkkedddd

[@wisemage0]

I can't believe Netanyahu took down the game's servers. 😭

[@Majorwindy]

@@nerdSlayerstudioss what a crossover

[@k0lettaDOM]

careful everyone this youtube guy FIGHTS. super scary guy

[@vz17233]

I actually thought Benny defended himself well. The problem is the TikTok world will create soundbites that will show Mehdi's BS in the best possible light.

[@JastorKeane-ln2tz]

Morris’s whole argument is rubbish. If Israel ceded their illegal territories and stopped blockading Palestine and murdering Palestinian children year after year after year the whole situation in the ME would be far far better.

[@oussamarofaik8545]

every accusation is a confession, buddy

[@waz3128]

@@oussamarofaik8545 you wouldn't even have a Paletstinian narrative if it wasn't for Benny Morris's endless pursuit of the truth, buddy. Even Norman Finklestein said recently that he holds Benny Morris's work on the subject in the highest possible esteem and incomparable to anyone else's

[@oussamarofaik8545]

@@waz3128 lmao now that's funny, uhhm no. there was a palestinian narrative since the conflict started, the difference benny made, and yes i agree he's a good historian although a terrible human being, was that he brought proof that the palestinian narrative and side of the story was actually historically correct, and that what israel tried to bury in decades of propaganda and lobbying, was finally out by an israeli historian. so no you're wrong. the difference between him and other honest people from the "new historians" like illan pappe, is that the evidence he found changed his views on the conflict to match his findings, benny on the other hand, brought the same evidence but chooses to not base his political beliefs in it, basically igonores if if it contradicts what he WANTS to believe in. You should probably read some of his books before embarrassing yourself.

[@gamesite007]

​@@oussamarofaik8545 How does he ignore it if he's the one who published it?

[@smoothddd]

Benny was the only adult in that room.

[@gnome944]

in israel the palestinians israeli citizens are 30% of the society yet they are responsible for over 70% of all major criminal crime. its a fact. statistic fact that needs to be adressed. that is what benny is saying. the structure of the society is more trible and many of the violence is between families or customs.

[@MateoMPM]

Benni morris is way too respectful and nice Mahdi and the staged Audience took advantage of that.

[@Gaucho215]

You should watch the other head to head interviews. Mehdi will eviscerate you in 10 minutes. Take some time and just watch some of his interviews and debates.

[@botchedoperations3485]

@@Gaucho215mehdi is a debate gladiator. As obnoxious some might find him. He is not afraid to go for blood in the debate. My strat is being moderate and only contesting that ground.

[@sutulj]

avenge poor Benni's honour!

[@oussamarofaik8545]

so respectful and nice he's openly racist against arabs and apologetic for the war crimes in gaza, lmao mf said the conditions in the west bank are "apratheid-like", like what tf does that mean, just say apartheid.

[@ZombieLincoln666]

No I think he was great here. You don’t want to come across like some evil Zionist stereotype

[@moonants]

I dont think Benny did his homework on Mehdi. He is too soft to take on Mehdi in public.

[@atheistanarchist]

Right he doesn't employ all the slimy debate tactics that Destiny does smh

[@channelname5938]

@@atheistanarchistLMAO

[@moonants]

@@atheistanarchist Yeah, Destiny can dish it out against sleaze like Mehdi

[@JoeGolan-x2y]

She is can't do respond

[@leonlevy468]

Girl says "racist" repeatedly. Mehdi: "Benny stop heckling the audience!"

[@venom-gt7rc]

Highly upvoted comment on the original Al-Jazeera video: "Debating with a Zionist is the easiest job for a well educated man like Mehdi" lol

[@tinasheroy]

Highly upvoted comment on this video: "I feel so sorry for Benny tryna be honest in front of a bunch of bad faith actors tryna get clips for their channel." lol

[@louie3216]

“A well educated man like Mehdi” Bruuuuh that’s like saying “A well educated historian like Norm Finkelstein” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tinasheroy]

@@louie3216I mean for starters he is an Oxford graduate, you know Oxford right? The best university IN THE WORLD?

[@HistoricaHungarica]

This debate would have been infinitely better if Cholakian would have been there.

[@Grimpen0]

Egon!

[@Proud_Troll]

I watched it, and my immediate conclusion was "Yeah, no, Benny doesn't belond there. This was an interrogation. Benny belongs among intellectuals and people of nuance."

[@No_OneV]

Bringing on a world renowned historian and calling him racist for stating history. Hilarious.

[@testcase6997]

He's not world renowned tho?

[@No_OneV]

@@testcase6997 He is.

[@testcase6997]

@@No_OneV Unfortunately not. i'd love it if he was.

[@billybitchcakes8611]

​@@testcase6997Don't know what world you live in, but Benny is literally the world's leading historian on this specific conflict. He's the only historian who has been historically shown respect by both sides

[@moonants]

When an historian talks about "Barbarians" - they are referring to "the Barbarians" - not the colloquial understanding of the word.

[@marcusmcclain3251]

Freakin Sea People, man

[@easytiger6570]

​@@marcusmcclain3251 I mean, Palestinian does derive from Peleset, who were among the sea people

[@moonants]

@@easytiger6570 Used by the Romans to mock the Israelites.

[@warrioremperor6320]

When a neo nazi says some people control the whole world they mean the ultra rich not the Jews only

[@HarrDarr]

@@easytiger6570 weird because the Peleset came from europe and are not semitic

[@alecsmith9393]

I love how the woman on the panel pearl clutches so hard about how racist Benny is by immediately generalizing Jews- “this is the problem with Israel- they…..” she is literally doing the exact thing that she’s claiming he’s racist for doing!

[@THRAKORZOD]

Crazy cause they say Israel and not Jews when they say that yet benny says Arabs and not Palestinians when he wants to be racist.

[@Yuv1]

@@THRAKORZOD Usually in Arabic they say "Jews" or "Zionists" they mix it together as if all Jews think the same. Go to the site called "Memri" you will see a looooot of videos showing just that.

[@alecsmith9393]

@@THRAKORZOD so talking about the Jews in Israel is ok but talking about the Arabs in the Arab nations surrounding Israel is racist. Got it. Good job

[@francisxavier8374]

the only way complaining about israel can be directly racist is if israel is an ethnostate

[@ThaNarc]

DESTINY IS THE FIFTH COLUMN

[@lordoflobsters7254]

How can you sit and interview a historian and instead of asking questions about the 13 or so books he has written you ask him to explain 2-3 word quotes from interviews made 20 years ago. Is this considered journalism?

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Many would. People were glazing Andrew Niel for asking Shapiro about the stuff he had written about Palestine when he was 18-20.

[@testcase6997]

Argh, why do people get to question?!?!

[@orochi235]

"I READ THE ENTIRE QUOTE" -the guy who decides where the quote begins and ends

[@MegaMrASD]

28:15 of course Destiny. Don’t you remember when America dropped a nuke and all of Japan was vaporized off the map in an instant? Or when the US tested their nukes in the Nevada desert and all life in California was wiped out? 😂

[@salviati8078]

Benny didn’t call present Israeli arabs a 5th column. This is what he actually said: “I feel sympathy for the Palestinian people, which truly underwent a hard tragedy. I feel sympathy for the refugees themselves. But if the desire to establish a Jewish state here is legitimate, there was no other choice. It was impossible to leave a large fifth column in the country. From the moment the Yishuv [pre-1948 Jewish community in Palestine] was attacked by the Palestinians and afterward by the Arab states, there was no choice but to expel the Palestinian population. To uproot it in the course of war.”

[@testcase6997]

how was it legitimate?

[@katabasis9999]

​@@testcase6997because jews owned the land

[@vaindru]

​​@@testcase6997 1. Historical, cultural and religious connection to the land. 2. Increased presence in the land during the Nationalism movement in the world under the Turks and the British mandate. 3. Balfour declaration. 4. UN partition recommendation. 5. World (west) recognition.

[@testcase6997]

@@vaindru You missed it. the question was how is "the desire to establish a jewish state in that location legitimate so much that there is no other choice" You're just describing what they did to take over the land where other people were living.

[@vaindru]

@@testcase6997 no man you missed it. The desire to establish a state from the Jewish perspective is legitimate from the points I wrote (it doesn't indicate removing existing population), but the "there was no other choice" came from the hostility of the Arabs to the establishment of the Jewish state. Bottom line is that the Arabs and Jews were competing for a state on the land. Just because at the beginning of the Zionist movement there were more Arabs (0.5Mil) compared to Jews doesn't give them the automatic right over the whole land (the Ottomans owned this land). Jews settled empty land they bought from the Ottomans and Arab lords. Arabs didn't like the competition and started using violence. The Jews responded with violence as well and it's going on since then.

[@moertoinemertin4804]

I feel so bad for benny, but to be honest he should have known what he got himself into

[@jedpettigrew3061]

after watching this whole video im in shambles

[@exposedhobo]

This was one of the worst bad faith interviews I've ever seen in my life

[@viktorkc1154]

Ikr, I did not expect destiny unironically justifying nukes and 13/50 memes

[@helforsite3130]

@@viktorkc1154 He actually said that they shouldn't use nukes, because it would set a bad precedent, might wanna clean out your ears. The problem with 13/50 has never been, that it isn't true, but that it gets brought up uncritically while implying its all because of some inherent racial difference. Benny is arguing that the higher murder rates among Arabs are due to their culture and religion, so its fundamentally not a racial essentialist argument.

[@dr.virtuoso]

Does destiny defend the internment of japenese cause they were regarded as a fifth column? Weird he doesnt think minorities in US are time bomb.

[@halofornoobs93]

Minorities? Bro, most 2nd generation and beyond minorities are Americans who take part in American culture. We are THE BEST country when it comes to integration. What a dumb take.

[@dr.virtuoso]

@@halofornoobs93 Well apparently not if japenese were interrned during the war and it was defended at the time by liberals like senator henry jackson, govenor earl warren, president fdr. In any other contexts benny morris and destinys statements on arabs would be considered racist. stop coping, this is like when marty peretz said that muslims and arabs dont deserve the first amendment and are savages. That would never be tolerated about blacks for instance by liberals like destiny.

[@dr.virtuoso]

@@halofornoobs93 Doesnt seem to be the case for japanese interment. Which many liberals like senators henry jackson, earl warren, and fdr supported. BTW would you call a conservative who quotes the 13/50 statistic racist? Many in US think demographic changes are a time bomb. Especially heavily hispanic areas where they could ghettoize. If anyone said anything like what benny morris said to another group everyone would call it racist. Calling israeli arabs a 5th coulumn and such.

[@michaelneufeld4515]

Palestinians were literally suicide bombing left and right in the second intifada and you're comparing it to Japanese internment in world war 2? Get a grip

[@dogeatdog6157]

​@@halofornoobs93nice dodge

[@ElviraGamz]

They do this to discredit anything Benny morris says about anything. By making him look racist or whatever, they intentionally mislead the crowd to immediately dismiss anything he says as racist. What a stupid and evil thing to do. Mehdi keeps interrupting Benny, and doesn’t let him finish his point, which is another way to fool the watcher into hearing only disjointed sentences and not fully formed ones, so they won’t understand the full intention and only get sound bites.

[@tuckeriacobacci]

As I remember, a “tactical” nuke had to be shot from at least 5 miles away to prevent the people shooting it from getting radiation exposure.

[@Yuv1]

A tactical nuke is a small nuke. If big nukes can be carried onboard ICBM rockets, why small nukes can't be?

[@mwa343]

My god destiny have never sounded as unhinged to me as he did in this video.

[@aarondavis8943]

You can be a free citizen in a country that treats people outside the borders poorly. This has been apparent since the Athenian League was a thing.

[@jacobszekely4069]

Is there any “journalist” in the world who is LESS honest than Mehdi????

[@tomjames9681]

Bruh Medhi was on a little win streak on the two channels, way to absolutely squander that good faith immediately.

[@MrBjoern91]

Medhi is really good at quickly jumping to the next point without the audience and that racism lady as soon as he isdebunked.

[@jordanthomas4379]

This debate is incomplete, it needs MR BORELLY!!!

[@Schizo_Mystic]

When are we going to get a supercut of all the Israel footage? Is it behind a paywall? I watched too many Destiny/LonerBox streams which promised to unveil this footage. US elections aren't happening yet, I have time to spend on this still.

[@darekdylo8993]

Watching Destiny for me is like picking at a scab. Play central thesis is that Ben Morrison and pro Zionist are correct and then proceed work backwards from that conclusion. He needed the context for the way in watch Morrison used barbarism, got it and it was exactly worse than what was alluded to and then proceeded to defend it as if it was OK to categorize entire groups that way. Also, the sheer arrogance of someone like Destiny whose extent of his knowledge of this topic started after October 7 in which he put together a couple of super specific details and facts to get by in a debateby a debate and trip up opponents on minor details while they’re focused on the macro picture. The same guy to say someone like Hassan don’t know anything about what’s he’s talking about. Finkelstein embarrassed him not just because of his verbal accosting but specifically because destiny went him hoping to find a ground where he could introduce an idea or part of the debate he was comfortable in rather than having having an wholistic understanding of this conflict. He shits on having to read endless amount of books but that’s what having a full picture requires.

[@blakethetank]

reading the entire quote is like saying "I read the entire headline"

[@Epok97]

There are two types of nukes folks. There are fission bombs and the other are fusion bombs. One releases a lot of radiation, the other does not. Can’t remember which is which.

[@henrikhempel2372]

Fusion bombs release very little radiation, but the long-term radiation of fission bombs is greatly overstated as well

[@srd2725]

Morris really kept his composure during this. I have no idea why he would agree to this, it clearly was a setup meant to make him look bad.

[@JankeyCreator]

homie its different because they are being victimized in three different ways. I am actually surprised and disappointed you have not changed your views yet.

[@dogeatdog6157]

'Don't wanna sound racist but....'

[@lmaolol9357]

51% something something

[@tima6044]

Civilizationally challenged is unironically an excellent way to describe what's happening there.

[@JastorKeane-ln2tz]

Israel behaves like a terrorist state but ignorant Americans who grew up on low-brow bargain-basement Douglas Murray books can hardly be expected to have any valuable insights.

[@alphmar3778]

by the way, just to add to the question of nuking nukes. Thermonuclear warheads require very precise timing to unfold their maximum potential, thats also how variable yield warheads are made, because intentionally messing up the timing is sufficient to significantly decrease the potential of a nuke. So no, nuking a nuclear facility will not cause some devastating chain reaction, of course fallout and stuff like that would be a concern but yeah

[@alphmar3778]

also, one advantage is delivery. variable yield nuclear weapons can be dropped from small aircraft like the f35 or f16, and can therefore be delivered a lot easier than a huge conventional weapon which they would just not be able to carry

[@Numbr1jUvEnile]

There were a line of statements on the Jabalia Refugee strike that were odd from Mehdi... Israel said that they struck at tunnels that connected under neath the building which caused the collapse, while also killing Ibrahim Biari who in fact is a Hamas commander. So Mehdi just saying there were no militants is literally false. And Israel gave evacuation orders to the camp but there were literally people that just stayed KNOWING there was a strike incoming, some because of old age and health issues but apparently a large portion of people just didnt leave the strike zone. So why is he saying it was unlawful? Because the death count was high? People STAYED in the building and there were Militants using the area. On top of the fact that Hamas does not have any uniform or identifiers of even being a Hamas fighter. Did he not see info on any of the counter claims?

[@joeschm0e]

We love destiny 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@Samreyna1]

9:15 is hilarious. Destiny won't take any step back even though he explicitly says he always does

[@oussamarofaik8545]

"shit, i can't walk back on this, my fanboys will be disappointed in the debate god, quick think, oh intifada in the name of the site, yess, a way out" okay dude

[@edwardcollins3337]

33:00 conventional bombs can be fitted with a hardended nose and fuses that allow for the targeting of underground targets rather than surface targets. Nuclear weapons are air-burst weapons for surface targets. Because of the ionising radiation released by a nuclear explosion, normal 'stable' matter is turned radioactive which then becomes fallout. An air-burst not only increases the radius of thermal and over pressure (shockwave) damage, it also prevents the ground from becoming radioactive because the air between the explosion and the ground absorbs all of the ionising radiation which creates a bigger fireball. All depends on whether the Iranians build their nuclear facilities underground or on the surface. Tactical nuclear weapons can also be delivered by balistic missiles, negating the need for aircraft to fly into Iranian airspace which would be required to drop a conventional bomb.

[@tobiastalks1070]

The biggest bomb the US has ever used afaik is a MOAB which has a .011 kiloton yield. The smallest nuke the US has ever had the W-54 has a yield of about .01 kiloton so they're roughly equivalent. Keep in mind though the W-54 was designed to be fired from the Davy Crockett gun. Which is essentially a mounted fancier mini-nuke launcher.

[@based4573]

Difference is that a nuke would cause burning & radiation poisoning, and once you open Pandora's box you won't be able to close it.

[@user-ro2bh2xh6o]

Is this Nick Fuentes or destiny ?

[@Killer1260]

What?

[@viktorkc1154]

Liberals defend ethnostates when it comes to Zionism, they literally become and use all of nick Fuentes’ arguments, Destiny has called people who bring up 13/50 as racist but is trying hard to justify it here because of Israel, he has no moral back bone or principles

[@viktorkc1154]

Destiny trying sooooo hard to justify Benny’s racism, imagine if Trump called black people “barbarians” and talked about 13/50, oh wait, destiny already called people who bring up 13/50 racist

[@Jayx0x5]

Black people are not barbarians. But Arab STATES are for sure barbarians.

[@dshappir]

Yahya Sinwar matters a lot 3:47 Aside from being the Prime Minister of Gaza, and head of Hamas in that region, he's also considered to be the mastermind behind the October 7 attack (together with Deif). Moreover, he's become the symbol for the continue Hamas resistance in Gaza, to both Gazans and Israelis. As such, if he's killed or captured then Israel could definitively claim to have "won the war". On top of all that, it seems that he has the final say on the ceasefire and hostage negotiations on the Hamas side.

[@williamhornabrook8081]

I kind of can't handle how Destiny speeds up the videos he's watching. I get that it's more efficient, but to me, it gives the video an inflated sense of stressfulness. I find it super unpleasant to listen to.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

I just have to lower the speed of the video from 1.75x to 1.25x. What I can't handle is the CONSTANT rewinding and hearing the same sentence 4 times before moving on to the next one that gets rewound a ton.

[@virdixxii8341]

I got a Vyvanse prescription just to watch Destiny react videos

[@Aspecscubed]

the comments on that mehdi & benny video are unhinged as expected

[@oussamarofaik8545]

and the comment's on destiny aren't, youtube channels are echochambers. don't cry when the other side is doing it too.

[@GAPIntoTheGame]

Yet another upload where Destiny doesn’t post the content he made going to Israel

[@adelinodenga5184]

Hate it when Destiny starts talking before what hearing what the guy in the video has to say...

[@_wael]

ofc destiny skipped the beginning

[@_wael]

if a republican said about black what benny said about arabs Destiny would never support them, and if he said it himself he knows he'd be banned

[@zachhanson3794]

Maybe but the context is just completely different lol. Also, Mehdi is just not engaging with Benny at all besides throwing quotes at him and calling him racist

[@botchedoperations3485]

Pro Palestinian debaters make it too easy. The only one that knows how to play the game is baseem but he stays in his place because he is not Palestinian and knows most they dont stand for moderate views. 70+ years and no one is mature to get it. They defend points that the west will never accept and only makes them look unhinged Destiny debated Omar and brought up that Hamas wants a government like Iran. Omar: “Palestinians have the right to decide for their own. What they want” No one sane would say … let’s give you a state and expand Iran’s cronies. Specially with the hostility shown to Israel. Defending insane points is not and will never move the thread. Israel knows this. Look at how they advertise themselves. The only democratic nation in the region, we practice our beliefs, we have seculars that are promiscuous and willing to date outsiders. Palestinians should take notes from countries like turkey. Move that way.

[@FlexGC]

Huh?

[@testcase6997]

@@zachhanson3794israel is racist. it was founded on the basis that the people currently living there don't deserve the land as much as the settlers do. and they continue to settle to this day in the west bank.

[@MaxPayne-fi1mz]

​​@@botchedoperations3485why should Israel even exist first in the middle East? How is Israel even democratic? The West Bank is an apartheid region of Israel. Before anyone says, that they're not under Israeli Rule.... Then under what rule are they? Are they a separate state? If that is the case, why are there settlements there? And Why is Gaza blockaded? That already is an act of war. That action in itself destroys Israeli moral superiority... Plus, that is not considering the inherent unbelievable idea that Jews in Europe and others parts of world have a right to live in a middle eastern state whereas the native people of that state don't have that right (consider Nakba). I will only leave you with one thing and that is the Arguments which Israelis give for all this violence is very similar to Arguments which were given in the past for colonialism. Arabs are barbarian because they don't have democracy? Are Chinese barbarian? Singaporean?

[@rouzah9419]

1. I love the community/comments here! I just gave 16 comments a Like. 2. I am glad so many people feel bad for uncle Benny! Yes, he is way too honest* and kindhearted to be thrown into this staged 'debate'. *during the Finkelstein debate, Benny was the _only_ one who said to the opposing side _"Yes, that's actually a good point!"_ while the other side, FinkelRager & his minion, played a very sleazy game of not even conceding one inch, kinda like Republicans. 3. The fact that Benny Morris willingly jumped into this pit of bloodthirsty wolves, shows how innocent Benny is. 4. Sending Benny to this 'debate' with infamously hopeless bad faith debaters with (of course) a staged crowd on freakin' *Al Jihadezeera* is like sending a white bunny into the wolves den! 5. As other people here already demanded: Destiny, you must AVENGE uncle Benny!! 👊

[@bloom4807]

Yeah, I felt sorry for him, but he did hold his own which surprised me. The Palestinians have absolutely no decent historian to have a debate with, why?

[@JackTopper]

Hard to have a civilized conversation when all that occurred was cherry picking out of context quotes, not letting him respond to them, then having one of the most bad faith panel members just respond by calling a genuinely decent person a racist. This was just an attempt to demonize without seeking greater understanding

[@climbswiththecrew3759]

Perhaps a "huge conventional weapon" would need a larger aircraft than one that could easily breach Iran's airspace and make it to their nuclear facilities. I know Iran has one of the most capable anti-aircraft missile defense systems.

[@rampantunease6517]

19:39 spanish civil war. General attacking madrid said he had 4 columns approching madrid and would take Madrid with his fifth column of sympathisers who lived in madrid.

[@BlueDirt_ProAggressive]

23:03 the nature of the society... And all the build up sounds like the way some in the US talks about blacks.

[@omryr]

So mentioning that in Arab culture honor killings are normalized and are a barbaric aspect to their culture and society is racist? Don’t think it’s moral to kill your daughter for sleeping with someone? For going out without male permission or wearing appropriate clothing? Is it moral to murder someone because someone in his family murdered someone in your own family? There are hundreds of murders in Arab Israeli society each year, they are almost exclusively honor killings.

[@based4573]

@@omryr you can make the same arguments about African-American culture, as rap etc. are part of their culture. Yet if Trump said that blacks are barbaric, due to the violent nature of their culture, I suspect Destiny would respond differently.

[@MichelleKavarnos]

Don't even get me started on the "electronic intifada". God forbid we started a platform called the electronic nakba. Can you imagine the outrage!

[@Blackerer]

Benny may not be debate brained, but his memory of what he had actually said or read is astonishing. That must be some mind palace to have. It may not work on a layman, but I really like the way he deals with these accusations. For the way I process these things, he actually does a pretty good job of dealing with Mehdi.

[@kampfkeks6619]

I'm still very torn on Bassem Youssef. He sometimes seems level headed and I'm still somewhat biased because of his story but talking about how "I can't say that because of them" feels so weird. He changed a lot and I can't find anything about him after going into exile and having a few daily show appearances.

[@blackmetalfollower666offic9]

Seeing Islam and Judaism fighting one another is like watching siblings fighting but instead of leaving a messy room, they leave area filled with bombed, blood smeared areas.

[@samuelsumuel9683]

29:29 Fallout would probably be WORSE since it would make the entire region uninhabitable for a thousand years

[@Comisioned]

Does he genuinely not understand what they mean by, "you can't say it"?

[@abcwow2400]

mehdi masterclass

[@MiraPacku]

Steven needs to give Benny a crash course on these kinds of people

[@stephenl9463]

As the word colonialism came up, it has to be addressed and defined in the context of the discussion (in the same way that genocide has to be addressed). The pro Palestinians use these words to enflame and curry sympathy from the audience. It’s not an argument to accuse people of being colonialists or genociders. With that said, the panelist was right to go to the history. Muslim Arabs came from some place. There was an influx into the western reaches of Ottoman Empire at the turn of the 19th C from other parts of the empire. This was to counter the influx of Jews. We are not talking about big numbers but given the small pop bases at the time they are significant. Jews have a greater claim to indigeneity to Judea Samaria than the Arabs. So it’s a weak argument for Arabs to bring it up. The whole Nakba issue is nonsense when u realize that it happened in the context of a war of aggression against the Jews by several invading Arab armies (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and a small group from the Arab League). That 700k were displaced was due to the war. The Arabs that didn’t leave the land were absorbed into Israel.

[@dovbrenner6737]

Benny Morris is too serious of a historian to exist in the toxic world of bad faith debates.

[@registame2878]

Sorry Arabians are a race of people… If this man said the Muslim world he would be referring to the religion just like the Jewish world. Picking and choosing what is a religion and race is completely nonsensical especially when you are legitimising one over the other.

[@based4573]

Arabs are not a race of people, the same way Europeans are not a race of people and there's distinct races & phenotype's within Europe. Arabs just share language & cultural elements, the same way Jews share some, though with Jews it was very diluted and they are less of a people than Arabs are. Does a Saudi Arabian look like a Sudanese to you?

[@registame2878]

@@based4573 I stand corrected Arabians are not a race of people they are part of a culture. That being said the picking and choosing of what is a culture, religion and race needs to stop as it not only makes have a normal discussion extremely difficult but has people following nonsense

[@Hades-jm9rv]

@ahmedkhalid0045 The IDF isn't a terrorist organization and as an Egyptian who's father is in the General Intelligence Service its a known fact here in Egypt. There is no palestinian hostages in Israel please learn what hostage means before using that word ok? Hm no being a terrorist doesn't make you a civilian it makes you an militants those palestinians that murdered thousand of Jews and did tens of thousands of terror attacks? How tf is doing tens of thousands of terror attacks make you innocents ? Israel is playing by the inter law...there is no genocide...

[@Juel92]

Emmanuel showed in 5 seconds why I'm so blackpilled on this conflict. And no, Destiny, it's "Not kinda true". Not at all.

[@brandonloe1462]

This is like a struggle session in the new single Arab majority state Mehdi is hoping for.

[@evanb4189]

Everything said about the Arab/Muslim world being barbarian could be said of Europe 200 years ago. To instantly accuse someone of racial essentialism is dumb.

[@bloom4807]

So Arabs are 200 years behind?

[@fakenamerson1693]

Whether or not that's true, it isn't 200 years ago.

[@viktorkc1154]

@@fakenamerson1693are black people barbarians? 13/50 and all, that’s destiny’s position

[@gvd72]

@@fakenamerson1693Are Africans barbarians and belong in cages? That continent is a hellhole to live in but if anybody said that you’d call them racist.

[@fakenamerson1693]

@@viktorkc1154 No, because a high incidence of violent crime among a community is not the same, and not nearly as bad a thing, as widespread support for terrorism, for instituting a theocracy, and implementing medieval religious law.

[@orrperetz7099]

There is "j" in Hebrew it look like this 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱 "ג'" But there it no "P" in Arab

[@ahaviahbessemer9844]

but to get the J sound you need to put an apostrophe over the Gimel or else it makes the G sound.

[@oussamarofaik8545]

yees the famous letter P zio talking point. bro you do realize people clown you for that take right? im not even gonna correct you on it but damn 😂😂😂

[@Syberz2]

Settlements aren't "territorial conquest"???????????????????????????????????????

[@Yuv1]

In the field of geospatial predictive modeling, settlements are "a city, town, village or other agglomeration of buildings where people live and work" (wikipedia). So the answer is no..

[@Syberz2]

@@Yuv1 Your babble has nothing to say about Palestinians being evicted from their homes for Israelis to then commandeer. But feel free to find dumb ways to lie.

[@MegaMrASD]

32:51 did Destiny brain fart here? 11 tons is 0.01 kiloton. I know it said fraction of a kiloton but that could mean 0.3 kilotons, or 0.05 kilotons making it 5x bigger. The smallest deployed nuke was the W54 and its yield was between 10-1000 tons, so I wouldn’t call that a debate win, I’d call that being extremely argumentative for no reason. A singular nuke by and large is massively more destructive then any conventional in existence, and the very smallest nuke does the same damage as the largest conventional warhead we have ever created ever in the history of ever.

[@lesweizman388]

did benny really say "unfortunately more sephardi people are born than ashkenazi...."???? he is a bigot

[@MateoMPM]

Bruh come on

[@idado3250]

Tbh as an Ashkenazi Israeli that statement was a bit sus, would have liked to hear why he said that

[@MG-ul3mi]

i love being a bigot

[@bloom4807]

@@idado3250because religion is dogmatic in itself and any free thought is discouraged, idk, just a guess.

[@niteip1217]

Correct me if im wrong but dont sephardic jews believe that israel ought not exist? I suppose that could be the reason but i dont know whether it's sephardic or orthodox jews that believe that

[@metacafekid]

Benny is such a teddy bear

[@antonioalize]

If this wasn't damage control propaganda and a genuine reaction and breakdown it wouldn't have started halfway through the video

[@piruz87]

Not just Arabs, but specifically Arab Muslims.

[@lirruping]

Destiny, who makes fun of Hasan for rushing to disqualify quotations he doesn't like is now doing the same thing rushing to Benny Morris' defense. His well-earned contempt for lefties who haven't studied the issues go too far is poisoning his overall take on I/P issues.

[@exposedhobo]

Benny Morris is an absolute g the smartest man by a mile on this subject

[@viktorkc1154]

Lmaoooooo good joke

[@malikshabazz2065]

Benny Morris is cool :-)

[@MegaMrASD]

37:23 and they would be correct (altho for the wrong reasons probably), because u less it was the worlds smallest nuke, a “small nuke” would still do more damage then multiple MOAB-s, potentially by an order of magnitude.

[@vergo4964]

we need a debate between Destiny and Mehdi Hasan

[@iSkulk]

Always calculate for reaction. "Does someone else's action demand reaction?" Perhaps, perhaps not. Either way, always calculate for reaction.

[@BDKoala]

Wow i didnt realise Mehdi did gutter journalism. I thought he was better than that.