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[@stephendixon8575]

Wow, what a brilliant, thorough and well thought out explanation of a set of products which I’ve looked at, but would never have known all the important differences if it hadn’t been for this video. Thank you 👍

[@bentswoodworking]

You’re welcome

[@parillaworks]

I've been using the TSO guides recently for rips and even crosscuts. Really solid setup. Great overview of all 3 options Jason.

[@bentswoodworking]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@carlbrothers]

Before the TSO T connector came out, I was using these on the right angle saw guides. What I found was that the extra width of the guides, you had to use a much longer saw guide if handling full sheets of plywood. TSO realized that they made some mistakes in the fasteners and made their stops and t-brackets use the same size hex key. All that said, I have found the TSO kit very easy to use and accurate. Great video.

[@bentswoodworking]

Thank you

[@VillainCollector1]

The price increase of the TSO set when this video was made (only 2 years ago) compared to now is crazy. The TPG 30-50 set was $289.95 before discount codes, now it is $369.95. Same goes for most of their products. I'm not questioning the quality, but these high price increases from companies will cause us to stop buying their products. TSO isn't the only one, just a quick observation.

[@walterluikey4582]

Festool was the first to offer the track saw parallel guide. I bought mine when they were first offered. I wouldn't trade them for any of the 3 that you demonstrated. Thank you for your excellent video presentations, especially the one you did on undermount draw slides.

[@bentswoodworking]

Glad you find them helpful

[@colinbrown8095]

Nice Review, I bought last year and had to spend hours of research to come to the same conclusion you summarized in 20 minutes!

[@bentswoodworking]

Glad you found it helpful

[@barriowoodworks]

I own a TSO square. Didn’t know that you could complement it with their parallel guides. Easy decision for me. Excellent review.

[@bentswoodworking]

Glad you found it helpful

[@dublinf4477]

As always great video Jason. I own the TSO and the woodpecker is so let me just chime in on a couple of things. One of the most frustrating things for me about TSO was their instruction manual was absolutely horrible. For example I didn’t even know there was a left or right. I bought the woodpecker’s first so I had some basic knowledge on what parallel guides were all about. Without that I think I would’ve been even more frustrated with TSO. On all of these Parallex is an issue. When you have to calibrate two different arms the possible introduction of error is huge. Granted it will be incredibly small and most people use these just to break down sheet goods so maybe it doesn’t matter. But I found parallax to be much bigger issue with the TSO. Both could be solved with positive indexing stops or ratchet type of system. But maybe that’s not feasible in the engineering. All in all they’re both very good products. You did a great job talking about the difference but I just wanted to bring up the instruction manual because I think that’s important. You are not alone in favoring the TSO. Especially when you can use it with the guide rail square which is an absolute outstanding product. I’m definitely in the minority but I THINK I’m gonna stick with the woodpecker’s. Once I set and calibrate them I leave the short arm on and I never touch them again. But I’m not 100% positive. They’re all rather finicky products. Maybe the answer is just simply buying a European sliding table saw!

[@bentswoodworking]

Thank you so much for sharing that insight! 👍👍

[@briangc1972]

I bought a European sliding saw 8 years ago and it is worth every penny. Most people look at the high price and ignore it's advantages, but if you compare it's abilities and cost to a comparable quality table saw, the sliding saw is not much more. You probably paid more for your table saw and track saw and all the other tools/ attachments necessary to make your "system" work as well as a sliding saw than what a sliding saw would cost.

[@andre1987eph]

Geese, I can’t read that. Can u use paragraph breaks next time?

[@hopenavajo1391]

Yes,wish Bora has the same, sometimes my cut is off

[@russalbright4213]

Been looking forward to this video for a wile and it did not disappoint. Great job detailing and explaining the differences between the systems. I wonder if they will come out with a soft carrying case for the TSO guides. Storage of any of these is something I can't believe someone has not come up with yet.

[@bentswoodworking]

Sorry it took so long 🤣🤣. I planned on this one a long time ago but wanted it to be right.

[@RustyCas999]

I will buy a cheap rifle case and use Kaizen foam for the guides. I work between 3 different homes (mine + 2 daughters) so have to have a good travel solution.

[@3ddiy]

This saved me a lot of time and money thanks for making it.

[@bentswoodworking]

You’re welcome

[@heavenknowsheavenknows3747]

I have the Woodpeckers, the TSO, and the Festool parallet guide systems. For 24 inches of width or less , the festool parallel guides are the best and the easiest to get accurate and repeatable cuts.

[@RYTHMICRIOT]

Thanks for this comment. I have a festool track saw and WAS going to buy these TSO guides. I checked them out of saw they were $230 for the set. Then TSO says you also need the adapters for whichever track you have and that's another $60. Then TSO says, and that's the price for each adapter so you will likely want (2) one for each guide. Now we're up to $350, and I already had guide square in my cart which is already $190 bringing my total close to $600. That's bonkers.

[@jshanab42]

Love this video, Very helpful. But when I got out the calculator, for the same capability 2 sets of stops, out to 55 and 1 set of heads, TSO is the most expensive, by $100!

[@GuysShop]

Nice video Jason. I have the Seneca and the WP. I much prefer the Seneca as they are very easy to get in place and cutting. The WP can be very fiddly to work with. I am also surprised by the price of the Seneca. I think I paid like $120 for the set eight or nine years ago when they first came out.

[@bentswoodworking]

Thanks Guy! Yeah, I was actually a little shocked when I opened up the website and say that was the price.

[@RobyWanKenobi]

I use Starrett metal tapes in both my Incra t track and Incra track on my MFT table with very good results.

[@bentswoodworking]

That’s a great tip!

[@fotopdo]

Thanks! I will check that out, I don’t love the sliding tapes on incra

[@fotopdo]

Richard, how did you affix the Starrett tapes? I purchased the 1/2" wide version, but could not find a good way to insert them. I found them to thick to push into the slot with adhesive backing still on, then I tried a short piece with the backing removed and the adhesive "destickyed" but sticking it to my shirt a bunch of times, but still did not work. I went back the plastic tapes that Seneca supplied and calibrated and superglued them.

[@RobyWanKenobi]

@@fotopdo I did have to pull them through with needle noose pliers damaging the end but knew I would be cutting off the width of the track. Also I dabbed soap on the track to lubricate it. It was a bitch for sure.

[@fotopdo]

@@RobyWanKenobi that makes sense! Thanks, I’ll see how the superglue fix holds up. I also got a new 3/4 tape for my table saw fence: I went with Imp/Metric since I build most casework / sheet stuff in Metric.

[@scottdezieck7056]

Great video.,very nice comparison. Really enjoyed your video.

[@thewoodworker106]

Great review. I’m sold on TSO

[@bentswoodworking]

Awesome! They are great

[@randallthomas5207]

The Incra scales are easily attached with “Blue Tack”. A putty used by artists to temporarily mount paper to surfaces.

[@Mark_Wood]

Thanks!

[@bentswoodworking]

You’re welcome

[@nlacerva]

In the 3:00-3:30 section of the video, are you saying that only the Seneca give you the ability to cut on pieces that are thinner than the track, or that all three are able to do that? I have a small shop with no table saw so that seems like a very desirable function for me. If it’s all three then I’m definitely getting the TSO.

[@bentswoodworking]

Yes they all have thin rip capability

[@ungoodwoodworker]

These should all work with the Kreg tracks because they only connect to the exterior extrusion. I measured my Kreg track and compared it with Peter Millard festool track measurements. Those exterior slots are identical. The interior slot measurments are NOT however, so the rail squares in your prior video won't fit the Kreg track.

[@bentswoodworking]

Thank you for sharing!!

[@texexs]

I just reached out to the manufacture’s and they said their guides don’t fit the Kreg. I’m bummed.😩

[@ungoodwoodworker]

@@texexs I just placed an order today for the 30 inch parallel guides and the festool quick clamps. I measured the outside t-slot on the Kreg and it was identical to the festool, so I'm almost certain it will fit. I will report back.

[@ungoodwoodworker]

@@texexs the festool quick release connecters work on the Kreg track. They work with or without the insert or just by tightening the back screws for the quick release option. Don't know how to add a picture to this comment, but I did take one.

[@joshsatterlee2078]

Jason- for a guy working in his garage who has to put everything away each night to get the wife’s car back in, can using this set up with a track saw replace a table saw for most cabinet work? How about general woodworking projects ?

[@bentswoodworking]

You can do a lot with a tracksaw. Regardless of project. Now, is it as convenient as a table saw for some things? No

[@kevinstenger4334]

I really like Woodpeckers stuff but I really have to look carefully at whether or not it’s worth the extra money because not all of their stuff can justify the extra cost. On these guides it is really unbelievable that Woodpeckers doesn’t give you the dual scale like the TSO. It’s kind of like buying a BMW and finding out it comes with steel rims and bias ply tires.

[@AngieWilliamsDesigns]

So... I'm liking the TSO MTR-X. So that makes me want to get the TSO parallel guides. I'm still maybe a little confused about what I need to get. I will most likely go with the 30. But the heads is what I'm still curious about. I don't have the rail square (YET). I am going to want one. So I'm not sure about the heads.

[@bentswoodworking]

They make ones that are drop on for festool tracks which is nice at times. But the clamping version is the safest bet

[@AngieWilliamsDesigns]

@@bentswoodworking I ended up using your link and getting the parallel guides. I got one of the guiderail squares with your code (thanks for the discount). And i ended up getting the TDS-13 Low Profile dogs and that reamer tool you suggested. Supposed to arrive on Wednesday. I can’t wait!

[@hebus4]

Is one of those systems compatible with the Maffel system?

[@RonKillian]

The Seneca parallel guides were my first guides and sadly I was not impressed. They are pretty much all plastic. It is heavy duty, well machined plastic, but seems too pricey for plastic. The real issue, the set I received has slop, the Incra rails do not fit that tight. Even tightening them down, they still move. Since they are plastic, it's not like you can crank them down. Seemed like a good idea, but I am not a fan. I picked up the TSO set and the difference is night and day. I know it's not an apples to apples comparison, but the TSO is better in every way and it's not that much more. I have many TSO products and every one is outstanding. Never used the Woodpeckers guides, because why, when the TSO ones are just as good at a much better price.

[@peej5903]

Great video! If I remember correctly you have the benchdogs fence system for your MFT table. Was any consideration made for their parallel guides as well for the review or maybe just for personal use?

[@bentswoodworking]

I would have liked to have them for the video but wasn’t able too this time. In the future maybe

[@c.harris7823]

Does anyone know if one of these guides works with the latest Grizzly PRO track saw system?

[@Fuegodiver]

Hey I just watched your video, but I cannot find a place to buy it. The stores linked on their site don't sell their products. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks

[@bentswoodworking]

Did you look in the video description

[@andre1987eph]

There’s gotta be a simpler more precise system

[@AaronGeller]

The Seneca and TSO are pretty simple

[@JaredMcEntaffer]

Wow. I get inflation, but they've raised the price of the TSO parallel guide by 33% in like 18 months. That seems a bit out of control to me. You can see in the video the 30 inch set was $189 when the video was maid. Now they are charging $249 for the 30 inch system.

[@cygnusa3772]

All of these are far superior to the Festool guides. i hate using mine.

[@HarveyJohnWillmott]

Why?

[@davehahn23]

So if I understand correctly if you hvae the TSO square you only really need one rail mounted to the square since the square is holding the track square?

[@T-Ranch-Au]

TSO set 30/50 up from $290 to $370. Shipping to Australia with a guide rail square is over $200USD additional. These prices are getting ridiculous.

[@ZeroCoolOO7]

I have owned the Seneca parallel guides for a few years now (before TSO had their own) and I like the simplicity of them. At first I was also frustrated with the scales moving, so I hot glued them (later changed to self adhesive ones that don't move). I realized after awhile I don't even use the scales. I premark my first cutline with a ruler (same method of setting up my festool guide rail) and then set the parallel guides to match. The idea of the guides is to make lots of similar cuts, so the scales were only being used for the initial measurement. I do like the low profile look and stop feature of the TSO though.

[@bentswoodworking]

I used my Seneca for a long time, worked great!

[@bombamanwa]

Just a couple of points of note on the TSO; - If you have the older GRS, you need to drill out the holes for the edge guides, drawings available on the TSO site. - Take your time to make sure the rail is square to the head, on shorter rips its not as much of an issue, but if your ripping 30"+/700mm+ you can get a trapezoidal cut. - The length indicator does give a bit of parallax (would prefer a hair line indicator) so just get a system down, and stick with it

[@bentswoodworking]

Thank you for sharing

[@tedrzz]

I bought the Seneca a few weeks ago and didn’t realize the incra measurement system was two pieces that slightly overlap which could lead to some issues. I wasn’t a huge fan of this and returned them for that reason. Seneca was more than happy to make the return, so hats off to them for that. I ended up going Woodpeckers, as you mentioned, one thing I like about their system is that you can customize the length of the rulers if for some reason you have limited space to work with. I don’t have a table saw so I rely on the track saw for everything, so being able to be nimble with the smaller foot print was a big reason fit me. After seeing this video I would definitely consider TSO however!

[@bentswoodworking]

They all have their pros and cons but the TSO is the clear winner for me.

[@maurell-webb820]

I have the TSO set. I use them with PowerTech track and a Wen track saw. I haven’t made a lot of cuts but so far I think I’m “on the right track”. Sorry couldn’t pass that one up.

[@bentswoodworking]

I see what you did there 🤣

[@epgui]

I had been preparing to invest in the Woodpeckers parallel guides + track square, but this is the video that swayed me. Seeing the TSO guides connect physically to the track square like that makes me think that system is a no-brainer for the vast majority of cases. TSO also has an incredible giant triangle you can attach to your track, which might even be more versatile for cutting at angles than the Woodpeckers track square.

[@rickherrin5364]

Guess I should of bought it last year! Now it's $340

[@leanwoodworks]

Hey fellow woodworkers there’s a reason none of the UK ..or other European MFGS don’t make parallel guides. It come down to work method on an MFT itself.. y’all don’t need paralell guides.. once you really learn the MFT.. BENTS IS A FINE CHANNEL PARALELL GUIDES ARE A BAD IDEA.. always were always will be.. I can get within .004 inch without them..

[@RYTHMICRIOT]

Me when I go to TSO to buy these. Me: I would like to buy the 20" parallel guides. TSO: okay, that'll be $229 Me: ouch, that's expensive, but I'll go ahead and take them. TSO: you'll also need the appropriate adapter for whatever brand of track you are using Me: um, okay. How much for the adapters? TSO: $59. Me (gritting my teeth): okay, gimme those too. TSO: oh yeah, that's $59 each. You likely will want one each for your guides, Me: so you're telling me that something that started at $230 is now up to $350? TSO: that is how the system works. Me: walks out.

[@chipkirk9175]

Great video! I wish you would have also included the Festool parallels too. I’m trying to decide which is best for me.

[@holottawang]

Great video. Do you know where TSO manufactures their tools?

[@kirk561]

Few Questions... I ended up with a used TSO because I found on Facebook Marketplace with the guide rail heads and stops for about $175 less than retail! I then added longer rails, with stops, and the one square guide. For a crosscut, would you use both TSO parallel guides with the square attached when cutting 384mm wide rips? Or would one TSO parallel guide attached to the TSO square attachment work? If you remove the rail attachment by removing the star knob screws, does the parallel guide need to be calibrated? Just ripped three sheets of 4x8 plywood for some upper cabinets and went very smooth! So glade I have the TS60 and the TSO Parallel Guides! Onto the crosscuts now. Thanks for the video, yes, like this style and it has been very helpful. Next

[@brucecarroll523]

Regarding the TSO. Once you have squared up 2 sides, why would you even need 2 tracks? Wouldn't a GRS-16 PE + 1 track be enough to guarantee a rip that is uniform width?

[@bentswoodworking]

Yes. Guides are great for repeat cuts the same width

[@fredio54]

All very spendy for what they are. TSO mist easily justified. But still. Cheers, good vid. Do you know if the TSO festool only works with the milwaukee rail?

[@GK-qz3cm]

Jason, believe your support for TSO may be partial because of your relationship with TSO.

[@toddtempco5454]

So you finish cut everything on the table saw. What it the point in spending the money on the WP or TSO when you can get a good WP knock-off from Banggood for like $100.

[@Tool-Meister]

I didn’t notice if you mentioned you can also link any length TSO rail together to make longer rails. I needed to cut a quantity of 65” panels so purchased the joiners to make 80” rails from my 30”-50” kit. Lastly, it appears even Festool is selling the TSO square rebranded to Festool in the UK.

[@bentswoodworking]

I did not but that’s a good addition as well

[@bwilie7173]

I’ve been watching quite a few of your comparison videos (parallel guides, track saw square, and some Festool product comparisons) and l love your format. Your presentation is enjoyable to watch and you provide a LOT of information without a ton of bias. But you still offer your opinion about your preferred and why. Keep up the good work!!!

[@brucegibson8053]

Completely off topic here, but I'd like to see you do an overview of Woodpeckers miter guide (stealth) system. I bought their DP pro 3624 partly because of your recommendation. With a little mod. on my part it worked out great. Thanks for that!

[@massivejester]

Aren't the festool tracks the exact same as the makita tracks? Meaning anything "festool only" is immediately "makita also"?

[@manitou2200]

I bought the TSO 20, 30, 50 pretty much right after they came out 4 years ago and have never regretted the purchase. I’ve since added heads (Festool) 22:37 and extra stops for multiple set ups. I also have both rail squares and bought them with the initial purchase. I’ve used one track with a square on a 1.5 meter makita track and it works great but I agree with Brent as the rails get longer you need two tracks. Using the squares is a great option to have. It’s a very good system. I have lots of Seneca stuff and love it. Some Woodpecker tools and they’re all good quality. Personally the Seneca and Woodpeckers PG systems seem clunky to me compared to the TSO. JMHO.

[@JayJay-sg7zl]

I'm looking for one comparable with milwaukee . Any recommendations?

[@brianhawes3115]

I bought the festool set way back and they have to be placed beyond the sheet to work, that’s horrible, so I made my own and they work flawlessly, they are based on the woodpeckers version, only made with wood😅

[@ThekiBoran]

Sold my Festool PGs, bought the Seneca and didn't like them. It's TSO all the way, especially if you have Festool tracks and the quick release adapters. For a cramped shop those quick release adapters are awesome.

[@GKganesan]

Thank you for this. Useful, efficient, and importantly, honest. I appreciate that!

[@bentswoodworking]

Glad it was helpful!

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[@annieltitus]

Thanx Jason! I just received my TSO parallel guide which i will use with my TSO square. You have confirmed for me that i made a good decision.

[@bentswoodworking]

You will not be disappointed!

[@warrensmith2902]

Have the Seneca, they work just fine, but I use a story stick gauge to set the depth stops precisely. I also have a TSO Rail Square that is fantastic as well. May try drilling holes in the Incra rails for the TSO Rail Square.

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[@kirk561]

What about Festool and BenchDogs UK? Any thoughts?

[@dpbjlee83]

your festool wall is worth more money than my house 🏠

[@stevenliggins1623]

Parallax has been mentioned before on other videos with regards to other woodpeckers tools.

[@erikhansson9388]

Got my tso today had to import by myself no dealers in sweden , i like them alot , not cheap but i hope it will last for a long time. Quality is fantastic. I went for 30 tracks only enough for my needs.

[@bentswoodworking]

You will love them!

[@ptortland]

I just watched your video, "How YOU Should Be Cutting Plywood," and you mentioned the TSO Parallel Guides. That brought me to THIS video! I was just about to buy the Festool Parallel Guide Rails for my Festool system. But your videos fortunately saved me! Your review is excellent, and I will be ordering the TSO's. (Unfortunately, the drop-on heads to attach the guides to the Festool rail are not currently in stock.)

[@bentswoodworking]

You will be pleased with your decision. They are excellent

[@B.A.Bassangler]

Been watching a few...another Masterclass lesson, just sub'd. Maybe next, a video on how to remember where tools in covered drawers and cabinets are, lol. I gave up and went "open space concept".

[@bentswoodworking]

Thanks for the sub!

[@michaelgoldsmith635]

I know this is an old video, but perhaps someone can answer this for me. The TSO with the festool specific head- does that work on the Makita track? If I'm not mistaken, they Makita track has the same extrusion profile as the Festool one. Am I missing something here?

[@bentswoodworking]

I believe they will but the website would tell you for certain

[@hankcohen3419]

Definitely appreciate your reviews. I am planning to buy a tracksaw and the square and guides seem like great additions.

[@bentswoodworking]

They definitely are!

[@julietremblay1583]

Customer service is non-existant. I purchased based on your recommendation but can't get a response to email, which is the ONLY way to contact them as they don't have a telephone number. I have sent two emails to do a return; crickets. I won't do business with them going forward. HUGELY DISSAPOINTED

[@dublinf4477]

What is the issue?

[@kperellie]

When you say TSO Festool only heads, does that translate to the Makita and Tritan too? A few months ago I bought the 10' Makita rail because it was almost $100.00 cheaper than the Festool, but also have 2, 55" Festools' that I bought with my TS75 about 17 or so years ago. And upon your recommendation, I bought the TSO square about the same time as the 10' rail, and I very much like it.

[@bentswoodworking]

I believe they are only for festool

[@nmancini]

Could you do a tips and tricks on track saw uses?

[@bentswoodworking]

It’s already on the list 👍👍

[@ealdydar]

TSO works with Power Tec tracks which is a Makita clone. My TSO i replaced the hex locking to knobs work great with my Makita track saw but cutting 1 3/4 doors my saw hit them 1 1/2inch might be fine but no biggy if doing 3/4 material mostly. purchasing a 2nd set of collar stops for the thin rip rods is a must only 10 bucks. This will insure both stops are locked in accurate when going back and forth. Going to revisit my Power Tech tracks they seem to match the Festool track exactly but with the anti tip feature of Makita added. Ill try the Festool quick connect. If it works id rather do that then knobs.

[@bentswoodworking]

Good to know, thanks

[@matthewromero4013]

If you add two additional flipstops (90$) for the TSO, to make it a fair comparison with Woodpeckers which comes with four. Then they both come in at 479$ except with the woodpeckers you also get the sustainer. TSO is actually more expensive.

[@davidperalta5280]

they are roughly the same. You get extra rails with TSO in the 30-50 set. drop down to just the 30 or 50 rail sets at 189 and add the stops and it's slightly cheaper than woodpeckers.

[@TheHandystanley]

Thank you so much for your video....now with that said, what would you purchase first? The TSO Track Saw Square OR the Parallel Guide???

[@bentswoodworking]

The square.

[@tcbridges]

How are you keeping the saw cutting wth no dust. Is it the way Festool makes there track saw. What do you have it vac set up. I watch in all your videos such clean dust free cuts on your cutting table. Is it vacing through the tabe also

[@bentswoodworking]

I use a festool extractor with it

[@Johnny19O]

Great job Jason! I have been using the Seneca guides for the last few years and they work fine. I have considered upgrading to one of the other styles though… Of the three you reviewed, how do they match up with thin rips? My Seneca guides are just OK, they are a little fussy to set up. I find myself making more repeatable cuts with the narrow stock adapters then without. I noticed Bench Dogs UK is putting out parallel guides, they look like they may be good. Also, where do you put the Festool parallel guides in comparison with the others?

[@bentswoodworking]

My experience says all systems can be finicky on thin rips which is why I don’t use them. As for the benchdogs, I would’ve actually loved to of been able to put those in this video. I think they are the most closely related to the Seneca. As for the Festool, are used to own them and to be honest with you they are my least favorite and I got rid of them.

[@Johnny19O]

@@bentswoodworking Thanks Jason, this is why I need a table saw , just don’t have the room.

[@danbirch8939]

As always, Bent, your video is excellent! I purchased some of these, but think they’re a waste of $. Because, they are each manually adjusted, so you’ll probably never get the 2 units perfectly parallel. They would need BOTH to adjust simultaneously/attached to each other to be perfect. Otherwise, good luck with manual precision. IMO, You’re much better off just using your track saw and over-measure by 1/2”, then make the Final Cut on your Table saw….

[@andrewbrown8148]

Great info, Jason~! I don't have a track saw yet, but I am considering the Festool. I've watched your using the TSO gear for a while and I'm leaning that direction if making that purchase. I have a decent collection of Woodpecker gear and yes, they're really and they're really pricey compared to comparable items. Thanks for the comparison~!

[@bentswoodworking]

Right on!

[@abelgerli]

Festool,Makita and Triton have nearly totally identical saw tracks. The only difference is the position of the plastic gliders on the track and a tiny nose in the track of the makita and may be triton track so the track saw doesn't falls of the track is high angle cuts. The makita track saw does have a small nose on the track so the saw stays safer on the track then the festoon saw. Bosch, Mafell, Metabo, Dewalt do have totally different tracks and will not fit because they don't have T nut slide on the side of the guide rail. Mafell and Metabo saws can use Makita/Festool tracks but come with their own type of tracks. Thumbs up for using metric. Best wishes from southwest Germany where you can draw an 130 miles circle and within it ther will be the headquarters of Festool,Bosch,Metabo,Fein,Hilti, Bessey, Porsche and Mercedes-Benz.

[@bentswoodworking]

I lived in Baumholder for 5 years. 👍

[@TheRubbberDucky]

Just a heads-up, your TSO affiliate link in this description is messed up.

[@bentswoodworking]

Thanks for letting me know. That explains a lot. Not sure why it got messed up but I appreciate it 👍👍👍

[@matthewphillips5483]

These things are way overpriced.

[@Bulldog532]

Great review! I’ve been considering getting something different than the original Festool guides so this is a very timely review for me. Thanks!

[@bentswoodworking]

Glad you found it it helpful. I had the Festool ones for a very long time and they are actually my least favorite option. I didn’t include them here simply because they are pretty specific to Festool.

[@jimmysigns4046]

I had the festool, didn’t like them so I sold them, on festool the wood sits between the guides so you always have to move the guides to fit the wood size. I bought the woodpecker guides, blows festool away and I’m a huge festool fan lol. The woodpeckers mount on top of the wood your cutting so it’s so much easier. Extremely accurate and the fact you have all he extensions make it great. Pricey but worth every penny if you use them a lot. And I do.

[@bentswoodworking]

Yeah I had the Festool as well and they were my least favorite

[@brianhawes3115]

Yes I agree on the festool, pain in the ass, so I saw the woodpecker and copied them in wood

[@hansangb]

Very thorough, thank you. I'm thinking of adding Makita saw with Festool track for use with TSO. I love the DeWalt track saw, but there aren't too many accessories. What to do, what to do! 😁

[@bentswoodworking]

Time to upgrade!

[@hansangb]

@@bentswoodworking SOP! LOL

[@SpartanORGN]

Amazing how much Markup they do on these. Especially Seneca, you can buy 2 of the exact track they use for $40. So they are adding another $240 for some 3D printed heads and stop. At least woodpeckers and TSO made their own unique designs, but those prices are always crazy. You could probably buy the TSO heads and incra track and you'd have a complete system for $120.

[@hobbes3]

Wait, maybe this is a dumb question, but for TSO if you have one parallel guide + one track angle, then do you still need *two* parallel guides? Or you still use two parallel guides for extra redundancy?

[@spkendrick]

All you need now is a discount code for your subscribers for the TSO parallel system. 😂

[@bentswoodworking]

I wish I had one.

[@gandjboyd7872]

TSO is very interesting tool company

[@spllbnd2]

Great video. I am comparing the Woodpecker Tools and the TSO and I am finding that the pricing on the TSO is now in line with the Woodpeckers version. TSO is now 489.85 without a systainer case. Woodpecker Tools is 499.95 with the systainer case. Also pre sales inquiries for TSO products is non-existing. Meaning that TSO does not even answer questions before the sale, how could I trust them to take care of me during the 5 year warranty period. And the final debate was Woodpecker Tools = Made in USA, TSO Products guide system is Not made in the USA.

[@70newlife]

I just used 20X20 aluminum extrusion. T track of any brand is simply not available in India. 3D printed some connectors and stops. Everything works fine. I'll probably get the connector milled in aluminum as I already have the 3D file it will be quite cheap. Just in case because 3D print in PLA might fail in certain situations.

[@DavidPennick]

I purchased the Seneca guides at first and when they arrived I couldn't believe I paid so much for a few pieces of plastic and short t rails. The guides never stayed accurate! I purchased the woodpeckers and don't regret a thing! I do however wish that woodpeckers used there production line to do a micro adjust or a teeth system for locking into the rail. Aside from that I couldn't be happier!

[@RyanWenner]

The Seneca Parallel Guide system is fully CNC machined anodized aluminum; Are you sure you didn't buy a knockoff? The rails included are actually Incra T-Track Plus, so they can be easily expanded or replaced if damaged.

[@robertweinstein6441]

Ron Paulk agrees with you

[@rotaxrider]

I’m just getting ready to buy some tracks for my new Dewalt track saw. I’m interested in the Dewalt tracks and interested in these products. Your thoughts on the Dewalt tracks?

[@bentswoodworking]

I have no experience with them personally

[@johnhaller5851]

TSO just came out with a guide rail square which attaches to the DeWalt track. Unfortunately, you really need two squares to get the parallel guide capability. The parallel guide covers the guide rail square, so it’s hard to see if the guide rail square is firm against the sheet without taking off the parallel guide.

[@adrianabshire]

TSO used to be Texas State Optical so maybe that means this is easy to read? I’m a TSO fanboy so will be ordering these soon! Thanks for the great info!

[@bentswoodworking]

Glad you found it helpful

[@mikeforster8798]

Excellent video! And thanks for doing it. I have been eyeing the TSO rails so this helped with my decision.

[@bentswoodworking]

Glad to hear it

[@donproctor3445]

does the festool only head work on the Makita track? As I understand Makita track is the same

[@bentswoodworking]

I believe it’s Festool only

[@misterm7086]

Hi. Thanks for the onformative video. I recently purchased (on OfferUp) the Makita Track Saw system. My question: I'm looking into the TSO parallel guide system. They offer a 20" inch rail, a 30" rail, and a combo set of 30"/50" rail ($100 more than the 30" set). In my spare time, I enjoy building small furniture for family and friends (book cases, shelves, tables, etc. in my side-of-the-garage shop. In your opinion, which rail size would you recommend? Thanks again!

[@rfguy8499]

Thanks Jason. Great video and very informative. I still haven't purchased a parallel guide set yet, but you have definitely given me some things to think about for it. I had been leaning towards the Woodpeckers set, but I personally don't like the short rails (and the price). I wish they would offer an option for longer rails for those of us that intend to hang them on the wall of our shop and don't need systainer transportability. I agree that all three of these companies are great, but the TSO features you highlighted are definitely compelling. How do the 3 guides compare in terms of size of numbers on the scale and ease of reading them? I never cared for the pinkish red on white background of those Lexan scales...just something about the contrast makes it hard for me to read.

[@bentswoodworking]

I find the TSO to be the easiest to read by far.