Bergmann 1908, 1910, and 1910/21 Pistols

[@jamest.harnden3659]

I don't care what anyone else says I have loved this entire Bergman series. Please continue bringing us development histories from other interesting arms.

[@M0torsagmannen]

finding a place that have all iterations of a gun to compare side by side is really rare though, but i agree. this is my favourite series of videos from this channel so far

[@swillm3ister]

Me too, this was incredible

[@md_vandenberg]

"I hope you guys enjoyed this as much as I did." Ian, we all know it's impossible for us to enjoy this as much as you. Keep up the excellent work!

[@shugo541]

Ian stop, we think you need help. Professional help. You've become a Bergmannaholic

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I can stop any time I want!

[@shugo541]

haha that's what all addicts say!

[@Jesses001]

I think it might be communicable. I knew a little bit about the Bergman pistols before, but now that I have a lot more information, I feel....I feel the itch! I need one!

[@falloutghoul1]

"I got a fever! And the only cure is more Bergmann!"

[@meehaerospace1476]

*Bergmaniac.

[@funshootin1]

the Bergman channel! not complaining we all now have a PhD in Bergmans

[@ruffthecrimedog]

My Arab friend translated the Arabic gold inlay on the last pistol to say 'Beware, strength consists in archery', an Islamic Hadith.

[@scullystie4389]

The auction house owner is like, "Gun Jesus, we love having you here, but if you could please stop turning water into Bergmann's, we'd appreciate it."

[@dndboy13]

oh dang ma, hurry up Bergmann's World is on.

[@bofoenss8393]

In the recent Danish movie 9. April detailing the events of the German invasion of Denmark in April 1940, on the eve of the battle you see an officer preparing and loading a Bergmann pistol. I just don't remember whether it is a 1910 or 1910/21. Also, the movie is notable for its use of Danish Krag Jørgensen rifles, Madsen light machine guns and the 20 mm Madsen auto cannon mounted on Nimbus motorbikes. Only weapon out of place is an MG 42 which I suspect was due to inability to find a working MG 34.

[@CEngelbrecht]

In a key scene, a German armored car has a proper MG34, while a German motorcycle has the MG42. I'm telling myself, it's an MG34. www.imfdb.org/wiki/April_9th That site lists the pistol as the M1910/21. Damn good film. Depressing, but damn good. Catch it, if you can.

[@silvesby]

Excellent film, that one

[@gpnatale]

Very appreciated series!

[@robertallen9472]

remember that gun that tried to contest the c96 broomhandle? Bergmann farm remembers

[@GinSoakedBoy]

Probably the coolest of the Bergman bunch. Thanks for this terrific series, Ian

[@453421abcdefg12345]

Yet another excellent video! I do not think we can get enough of these videos on what are very rare pistols, the world is full of videos on the more popular, (boring) guns that have been churned out by the million, I can see no gain to anyone in producing yet more duplicate information on these. The Bergmann, on the other hand is very sparsely covered in video or book form, so this short series is most welcome, the only down side of this short series of videos is that it is going to push the already high price of these gems up even further among men of good taste.

[@indiequas]

I bet I could make this gun at this point.

[@Sherrard50]

I loved the whole Bergmann Series Ian, great work as always!

[@bennyboy2277]

I think I actually prefer the later model bergmann's over the c96 Mauser, especially the 1910/21.

[@jasondoe2596]

Walter White yeah, the 1910/21 looks sweet with a wooden grip - I much prefer its looks to the very early models. Also, the stock attachment seems greatly improved.

[@Jesses001]

I kind of like them too. They are a bit smaller then the Mauser, and a detachable magazine means a lot. The detachable magazine C96s are rare to say the least.

[@smaqdaddy]

I love these! What do they normally sell for? Or are there good repos?

[@BigWheel.]

The grips look much more comfortable.

[@karlbush1678]

They do have a good look to them. They might really be better looking than the Broomhandle.

[@krmould]

I had an opportunity to purchase a 1910 Bergmann Bayard just over a year ago. I passed on it, mainly because I didn't know much about it or the 9mm Bergmann cartridge. If I had seen this series before that opportunity, I think I would have spent the money and bought the gun as a collector's piece. Now I know what an amazing firearm it is and will keep an eye open for a future opportunity.

[@foughtwolf]

Ive been waiting for this. The 1910/21 is without a doubt my favorite pistol, it looks so perfect.

[@pakman422]

Awesome series Ian! Congrats on 400k subscribers! You sure do deserve it. Keep up the great work! - Jacob S.

[@imehandle]

Hey i would just like to put this out. Your videos are really interesting to watch, lots of intreresting information, history facts and little details you mention (really appreciate that). Also i really love the way you talk, it is really visible you love to do this and know a ton about this. So ye... really cool quality content, i have to say. I absolutely fell in love with your channel :) Keep up the good work Mister !

[@lancerevell5979]

The Bergmann-Bayard series are one of my favorite pistol designs. Very cool video.

[@bwcmakro]

This is now the Forgotten Bergmanns channel.

[@corneliusloewenstein8691]

Ian is the Man... so knowledgeable and educated in all aspects of the guns he talks about.

[@stone-hand]

The more I see them, the more I like these Bergmann pistols. Especially the last Danish-produced ones, more so with the bigger wooden grips. Some sexy guns. Thanks Ian for letting me know them.

[@ant4812]

Thanks for these videos Ian. I've had a thing for Bergmanns for a long time. Thanks also to the anonymous Bergmann addict who made these pistols available.

[@dsfs17987]

that safety lever change discussed at around 8:00 mark looks to be something more, look at the grip location, it is not just shorter, it is sort moved higher up to be more in line with the barrel, and as a result, the safety lever went up and the throw got reduced

[@dennishein2812]

If we ever get time travel I’m going to get the best gun collection anyone’s ever seen. Thanks to Ian I know which ones to get and the places and years to find them. I’ll stock up on ammo too. I can’t wait.

[@kobathor]

I can't wait for the sequel! Bergmann 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@TazzeOptical]

at this point I'm gonna start referring to Ian as "The BergMan(n)"

[@natemmerson6849]

love the bergmann pistols, especially the older models. kind of look like a cross between a c96 and a p08, the mauser action with the lugers barrel. They really give off the vibe of the signature gun of the big bad guy from a movie, very cool

[@sepatten]

Great show Ian. I have an AEP 10/21, and my father has a Bayard marked "1912" model. I handload 9mm Largo and we shoot them sparingly. I would shoot mine more, but as you know, there are no spare parts out there; sad. I need to get on the patreon team as Forgotten weapons is really putting out the most unique content on KZbin.

[@AlwayzPr0]

This guy just never stopped.

[@dndboy13]

They say hes still making Bergmann videos to this day.

[@matthewkirk]

Never stop never stopping

[@LifeStyle-uh1ns]

Just watched all of them in a single sitting. I feel I am all Bergmanned out. However, such an interesting video series. Thank you for doing this series Ian. I think you set the bar on info for these pistols on KZbin.... You should make a Bergmann coffee table book now!

[@jeremiasastorga8399]

11:00 1910 military don't- 1910 military don't- 1910 military don't want none unless it can be stocked hun!

[@RussellSorrow]

I really like the series progression. I would love to see more of these series like this on other models as well. Keep up the great work.

[@willybee3056]

From those of us that love reading encyclopedia. .. You do a great job... And are appriciated... tanx....

[@morganahoff2242]

25:10 "...a substantially better grip on the pistol. And is large enough to stick a magazine in the handle!" : )

[@BobcatSchneidermann]

The HR at about 19:40 stands for Hærens Rustkammer, if anyone was wondering :)

[@turbowolf302]

huh. I actually have the OTHER AEP Bayard, a little .32 pocket pistol. I knew the Model 1908 was shared between my little pistol and this one, didn't know it was a Spanish military contract. Neat to know.

[@fingersmcgillicuddy]

Great series Ian, thank you!

[@davidbrennan660]

Four years in the future he still has not kicked the habit.

[@franciscoschwarz6451]

13:30 "... been horrendously krippled from birth by a horrible case of left-handynes ... " 😂😂🤣 This gun guy sometimes just kills me

[@Kevin-mx1vi]

Yup, likewise my wife and my son, both "horribly crippled" 😉 My Dad was left handed too, but joining the British armed forces as a National Serviceman cured that - "All of our equipment is right handed, so *YOU* will be right handed !" 😁

[@McCbobbish]

Bergmann's pistols are really cool looking. Whatever other characteristics they have, they certainly look really cool.

[@djentgamingxm7331]

This comment will make it to the top eventually for absolutely no reason at all.

[@Torelli7824]

Lmao prophet

[@stephenwoods4118]

That is a really awesome collection.

[@drmaudio]

That is quite an expansive Bergmann collection.

[@FoxMacLeod2501]

16:36 "Did you get the Danish version?" "No such lug, my friend."

[@phoenixrising4573]

anyone else catch on that the pistol in John Wayne's Big Jake featured one of these? One of my favorite western movies, and a dear memory of my father as a child. I never new they where real!

[@phoenixrising4573]

I missed the comment on the original one, but it makes sense. Still funny to see that a gun I thouh was a made up name all these years was quite real

[@pakman422]

The prop was a Walther P38 made to look like a Bergmann 1896. One of my favorite John Wayne movies also.

[@phoenixrising4573]

Thanks!

[@chrisblake1918]

I wish I'd gotten one of these many years ago. Thinking back, there were some available mail order back in the early 60's.

[@ocarinalover1214]

Learning about these older guns is more interesting than seeing others shoot more modern ones...although some interesting ones do appear (quad barreled pistol, the taurus handgun for concealed weaponry).

[@jimh6763]

Love those guns. Very futuristic! Would love to have one. Lots of similarity to the c96 mauser, but looks like it would handle better.

[@blackwoodsecurity531]

And gun jesus said, "Ye shall make bergman videos" Bergman 3;16 lol, love the videos Ian, thanks for the uploads!

[@chikitabowow]

23:51 That is such a beautiful pistol!

[@beardo52]

The 1910/21 was my favorite among the Martial pistols of that Era. It was a joy to shoot, and easy to maintain. (although the extractor could have been done better. )

[@michaelashton8754]

Loved this series dude :) Would love to get my hands on that 1910 model!

[@deceptivepanther]

I was wondering if there are historical accounts of how these later Bergmanns fared in service? They look pretty decent but were they reliable? Officers of the period often supplied their own side-arm; were Bergmanns a popular choice or had Mauser cornered the market?

[@Foksuh]

Damn, all the Bergmanns of the world have been gathered. That's some impressive collection, I'll say that much.

[@hjorturerlend]

"Hærens Tøjhus" means "the Army Armoury" - don´t think it was a company x)

[@Unit2x10]

hjorturerlend also Tøjhus and Rustkammer (the second manufacturer) basically means the same in Danish so it is most likely the same place.

[@jacobvsest]

And "Heeres-Rüstkammer" is a German translation of "Hærens Tøjhus" ;)

[@davidcruz8667]

They're actually kinda cool, I think I'll take one of the later issues with the larger grip in the boxed case, with the diagonal holster, thank you.

[@ClarenceCochran-ne7du]

It's an interesting side note, but my RCBS 9 x19 mm Reloading Dies will also resize 9 x 21 and 9 x 23 mm cartridges. Adjusting the Charging and Seating/Crimp Dies for overall length is all that's required to use the Dies for the. Oddball longer 9's

[@brandtheman92]

God damn the comments on these past few videos are top tier comedy gold. Ian, fantastic vids, keep em coming.

[@Dja05]

I'm actually from Liège, and I have no idea how to pronounce "pieper" :v.

[@Dja05]

I shall drink ALL THE BEER until I can !

[@robertpatter5509]

Pee Per.

[@Sofus.]

Fun fact. The Danish military bought the replacement gun in 1949 (M/49-SIG 210-Neuhausen). Denmark has just decided, to look for a replacement. After 68 years of service, estimated arrival in 2019.

[@sonofshinobione]

I find these fascinating, especially as I lived in Belgium and Denmark for quite a few years.

[@Ratrazor]

I'm really surprised they never made a larger magazine for that gun, like a 10 or a 12 round magazine even a 20 would been awesome. It would have stuck out a little bit but would have been way more effective during combat. And especially with the fact that they took stripper clips could have had bigger stripper clips to go with the bigger magazines also. I really like that gold inlay on that one it looked really nice I forget the term for that but you talked about that before where they do all those pistols with that gold inlay.

[@redandgreendesert1]

Ian, your knowledge is impressive... Can we get new Bergmann shooting video too?

[@siestatime4638]

Finally! A Bergmann that has reloading brass available! Too bad I couldn't afford the gun, even if I could find one.

[@JenniferinIllinois]

And we're back with another episode of 'Forgotten Bergmanns'. Ian must know more about the Bergmanns than Bergmann himself did! -Jen

[@fuzzy1dk]

"hærens tøjhus" basically translates to "the army's armory/arsenal"

[@AdrenalineJunkieXL]

judging by the people complaining Ian I'd say the next gun you do this for you might wanna separate videos with other guns in between haha even tho I don't mind it's great seeing all these different subtle changes

[@iainstrachan5692]

"Hærens Tøjhus" Was one of the Danish state arsenals. The literal translation would be "The army clothing house" It got its name because they also made the uniforms for the soldiers there too. And there has been a large display of army equipment there since the 19 century. Its still there as a museum. I place you should check out if you are ever in Denmark

[@mr.gunzaku437]

It looks like a Las pistol from Warhammer 40K. I like this more than the Mauser c96 because the barrel isn't quite as long and it uses box magazines instead of strippers. Technically speaking, it's better than the c96 IMHO. It looks like there is a more modern, 20th century pistol inside trying to break out of a 19th century design.

[@richardtravalini6731]

Excellent presentation. I love the red table cloth and have used red table covers for over 40 years. I discovered back then, that blued, stainless and nickel guns, all look good on red. Who owned these guns, is this your personal collection? Also, why not show at least a picture of the cartridge with a 9 mm Luger for scale. Sorry, but I repeat myself.

[@matthewkrueger4786]

I feel like I now know more about these Bergmanns than any other pistol in history.

[@clayrogers4532]

The John Wayne movie "Big Jake" features a Bergman model 1910 in the year 1908. It was an experimental model because the McCandels family were investors.

[@paulshayter1113]

Clay Rogers, The only time you see John Wayne lose control of a firearm.

[@gewamser]

Well I want one now! I admire the machining.

[@TheMatty1x]

Is there any chance that we will see the cetme ameli? I cant seem to find any videos taking an in depth look at it...

[@nutsandgum]

I might be mistaken but that first danish ordered one, the 1910 i think, looks like it has a different rear sight on it. The v notch looks bigger and the mount looks like it has been scalloped out for a better site picture.

[@eisenkrieg553]

Forgotten Bergmanns Strikes Again!

[@JC-XL]

99K views - Ian has just created 99K Bergmann gun experts 😂 😂

[@DoctorFiddlesticks]

I had no idea you were left-handed until this video... I don't feel so horribly alone now! Not sure why but I really like the idea of a pistol carbine - I think it's the aesthetics. Would be nice if any were made nowadays, just as a sort of niche or novelty item.

[@sdlonyer]

I love magazine forward the look of these Bergmann's, and browsed for a modern equivalent. Not many to choose from, but the Walther GSP looks promising. It seems to be available in .22 and .32. Has anyone seen anything similar in 9mm?

[@thiagokawano1618]

I love how this gun looks.

[@BobcatSchneidermann]

Also, "Hærens Tøjhus" is where the Danish museum of military history is located today, called Tøjhusmuseet. Brilliant place!

[@Unit2x10]

A fun fact about Danish services pistols: we still use the p210 today. Pistols really isn't a priority in the Danish army

[@eisenkrieg553]

Unit 2 Hey the p210 is a wonderful shooter

[@Unit2x10]

EisenKreig It sertanly is and I have had the pleasure of shooting one, but as a military service pistol it is rather dated by now and the fact that they have been in more or less continuous use since the 1950's doesn't really help reliability

[@robertbenson136]

I owned one of the Sig p 210's that came on the surplus market about 10 years ago. I think I paid about $1200 for it then

[@billmccrackin8825]

Such cool pistols.

[@tinymud3324]

I did enjoy your Bergmann blogs but would really like to see you fire one ;o)

[@Viking2dk]

Are you planning on making a video about the SiG P210?

[@donaldbarrier5806]

great video series. good looking pistols. i always thought the luger and the final series of the bergman were the best looking full size service auto's . produced. Sig p210, Hi power, 1911 would be runner up group

[@imlastinline]

I have a bergmann No.5 / 1897 I use for display purposes thats in great condition. I would love to shoot it but finding casings for reloading is hard as hell. I would also need to know the loads the cartridge used. if you have any info on this ian I would greatly appreciate it.

[@imlastinline]

Also how often do you visit the James D. Julia Auction house? I live about 50 miles from there and I occasionally go to spectate the auctions themselves. Quite a collection of stuff they have there.

[@JKC40]

Starline Brass has 9mm largo cases.

[@imlastinline]

Thanks for the info. just ordered some.

[@AlphariusMemegon]

You can also buy brand new 9mm Largo if you don't want to reload.

[@scotthamilton4899]

Is anyone making modern pistols with this "magazine forward" configuration?

[@solider691]

That turtle neck is doing things to me only a hollow point could do

[@glandslow]

Is there any reinforcing in the leather stock/holster? If they are just leather how do they take the recoil without collapsing?

[@bamaboni]

The two different stocks might have been made in mind for how different armies would traditionally wear their kit, one might wear their holster on the left and sabre on the right or vice versa depending on traditions, parade doctrine etc

[@jameskachman3692]

out of curiosity, Ian, how many more Bergman pistol videos are left? they're great vids, but I fear my tastes tend more towards rifles.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

One more :)

[@EdMan102292]

timberjack460 I sexually identify as a Bergmann Model of 1910

[@timdinch5598]

Ingrid Bergman?

[@rautavaara9194]

This Bergmann collection is incredible. Is it missing anything?

[@keithallardice6139]

Love me a Bergmann!! It's 2021 and I'm happily working my way through all the Bergmann videos on here ... Blessed am I, for Gun Jesus' bounty is plentiful and everlasting ;-)

[@glennpettersson9002]

Hi Ian, I have enjoyed this series of videos, thank you. I am guessing an In Range Mud Test is not on the cards but given your experience in these matters how do you think the 1910/21 would fair. Are there any records of the Bergmann's performance in the field?

[@nicklewis7291]

What was up with the Burgman 1011 on the John Wayne movie "Big Jake"? Is there no accuracy to that? It's not surprising if that's the case.

[@Omnihil777]

I spotted the Bergmann you shot in an old video, is it yours? are some of these beauties in your collection, Ian?

[@smokeydops]

Definitely a neat assortment of locked breach pistols