Poison or Cure? Religious Belief in the Modern World (with Christopher Hitchens and Alister McGrath)

[@bharatpatel7682]

Supremely articulate, riveting and thought provoking. Never boring.

[@bharatpatel7682]

@Philip Carpenter My observation was regarding the great Christopher Hitchens.

[@Ostatebuckeye11]

Thank you

[@robertdumicz7309]

@@bharatpatel7682 If there's something scientific and intelligent in the claim of the Universe out of nothing... An ignorant of the countless testimonies, science and of the evidence, Hitchens was sadly a drunkyard and one who(e) especially liked to besmirch himself in immorality, the only difference between him and many others is that he was more vocal in searching a refuge in the dishonest claim of the anti scientific Universe by ityself and without a cause. Only God is supreme.

[@nmr3647]

Supremely a great babbler. A man that simply didn't realize, in arrogant fashion, the spirit that God put in his body, departed from him, and now he is dead without using the light God had inside of him. I have no heaven or hell to put anyone in, for we have all sinned and still do sin. But I believe God's word and his word goes for me and Christopher Hitchen both. If you die in sin, you will perish.

[@zhengfuukusheng9238]

Even from the grave, Hitchens lives rent free in the minds of butt-hurt religious fanatics

[@beeto45]

hitches is immortal thanks to youtube and us who wont forget him and keep coming back to hear him

[@paultimson6674]

people have said that before. but after 20 years new stuff supplants the old. i've seen it happen many people refuse to watch black and white films? or subtitled films. and so mega stars are forgotten. Hitchens is not a literary giant? he was a pundit. a newspaper man. he will be soon forgotten. Mark Twain at least became a book author. from Newspapers. you can go back fifty years to find the same religious arguments from sixties and seventies advocates. all forgotten. time buries almost everyone.

[@BenChaverin]

He will be remembered

[@BenChaverin]

@@paultimson6674 we are all short centimeters of strands weaved into a tapestry. Theres no reason to pretend each individual does not have an impact.

[@paultimson6674]

@@BenChaverin no he won't? very few people are remembered. who cares about Lili Langtrey? who was massive in her day. i know lads who do not even know who Joseph Stalin was? and Jimmy Cagney the top cinema actor of the 30's is now barely remembered. fame is fleeting. the next HOT THING, just buries the great talents. you watch Nat King Cole play a piano? or Nina Simone? they casually play music and sing. live. without all that guff of auto tuning. and it's seamless. throw it in the bargain bin?

[@BenChaverin]

@@paultimson6674 i didn't say he will be remembered forever, chill bro lol

[@Preston-cp7jt]

Christopher hitchens in my opinion was an absolute genius, the way he dissects an issue and gets to the core of why he's right is brilliant. rest in peace, the world lost a great mind way to soon.

[@hadesdescent6664]

@David Wang so true, and I love George Carlin, great clip I watched many times 👍🏿🤘🏿

[@aceventura5398]

Miss imformation is everywhere. Just because you dont find a crab under a rock, doesnt mean crabs dont live under rocks.

[@hadesdescent6664]

@@aceventura5398 crabs don't live under the rocks, misinformed you are

[@aceventura5398]

@@hadesdescent6664 Is that the best you got satanist. Like saying humans dont live in Hitchens, oops, kitchens, bathrooms, etc..... Come back with somthing worthy of your god. You embarrass him.

[@hadesdescent6664]

@@aceventura5398 I don't have a god, or any imaginary creation you like to worship! Be a slave to the religion and ignorant fool, that is your choice! Keep poisoning your mind!

[@Henria99]

One of the BEST debates with Hitchens. Clear statements, courtesy, and sharing of information. Love it!

[@chrisc7110]

One of my biggest regrets is discovering Christopher hitchens after he had already passed. He and Richard Dawkins were the biggest reasons why I became an atheist. And it's tragic that I found one of my very few heroes after he had already gone. You have my eternal gratitude Christopher. Ty

[@drmontague6475]

Why do they make a disbelief a such complicated argument. I will simplify it. I was a creationist, believed that there was an intelligent designer. I had a wet fart whilst walking around a shopping mall. I became a militant atheist.

[@markas5]

Wonderful.

[@robertdumicz7309]

He lied to you the way you like it!

[@santicruz4012]

@@robertdumicz7309 Dont project yourself

[@robertdumicz7309]

@@santicruz4012 So you too belive in an Universe out of nothing and with no cause..?

[@mintybadger6905]

If losing one’s religion could feel like a “religious experience”, that’s what listening to Hitchens does for me.

[@justinh.6683]

Certainly, albeit religious experience is very rationally explained through the understanding that a great many people are not able to intelligently describe their feelings or think rationally enough when experiencing them to distinguish the source of their emotions. So erroneously, strong feelings under religious or spiritual circumstances, are attributed to god by default. It's a clever game the religious play.

[@thomasdupont7186]

"Epiphany" may be the word you're searching for ?

[@CMcKay-82]

I love the way you put this.

[@darrelneidiffer6777]

​@@thomasdupont7186That's way to easy!

[@AudioPervert1]

Christopher Hitchens was a pathetic anglo-saxon turd. An alcoholic bully who believed that science could provide all the answers. Nevermind that he was also pro-war, pro-colonialism and all sorts of bogus rational worldviews. A totally anti-ecological hubris. Very similar to say Yuval Harari today. The technological determinism of white men. F*CK you!

[@NatureNymph46]

I'm a Hitchens-fanatic and have watched LOADS of debates including our dear Hitch, and I must say that Dr. McGrath struck me as a very compassionate, respectful man. He easily conceded to not knowing, merely believing, and most others that Hitchens debated wouldn't. I'm not a believer myself, but Dr. McGrath seems like a nice gentleman that would be great to chat with and is open-minded enough to possibly change his mind. An insanely satisfying debate. One of the best!

[@chiptom6461]

It's nice that you are a thoughtful individual. Just curious, who did you think was going to read your comment? Why do you believe that your opinion is so important that others are interested in it? I'm just puzzled as to why you would take the time.

[@GoodAvatar-ut5pq]

@@chiptom6461 Well, I liked it, for one. She's right, too. Hitchen's opponents have often been *very slimy, indeed.* McGrath is at least passingly a decent human being and it doesn't seem like he's running a dishonest grift. I definitely get that vibe from people like William Lane Craig, Dennis Prager and Kent Hovind. So, I'm not sure what you thought your point was?

[@tracyavent-costanza346]

I will be among those most willing to concede that not every christian is an ass-hat. I know some and keep them around since I have found that they are sometimes actually trying to walk their talk. I admire integrity, even if I do not share their world-view nor the elaborate ideology that seems to motivate it. Rather instead I have been acquainted with a few who actually saw the entire narrative system in a way that I could not entirely reject. So among the supposedly monolithic "christian majority" there does appear to be far more diversity than the prominient right-wing media mouthpieces would likely represent. And maybe it is rather karmic at some level that quite a few of the neo-apologists I have jousted with online, probably regard me as some kind of moral pariah. For some, I see no point in going to the trouble to correct their unfounded presumptions, and perhaps I have made a few about them as well.

[@GoodAvatar-ut5pq]

@@tracyavent-costanza346 My opinion is less kind, but that's probably because I live in an area *boiling* with hypocritical asshat American Republican Christians, who think that Trump is some sort of Messiah born again. These people *pretend* to love Jesus, but they worship Trump with all their heart. And as you can imagine, they're unpleasant, mean-spirited, cruel, judgmental, petty and whiny people. They're *EVERYWHERE* around here. Everywhere. The level to which the Evangelicals *completely idolize Trump* thoroughly disgusts me and turns me off to both Christianity and Republican "values."

[@John-xk2sd]

@@chiptom6461 why do you think your opinion is so important and that anyone would be interested in your opinion, just curious 🤔

[@jenc7173]

Christopher is brilliant. I used to be a fundamental Christian. He contributed to my leaving it behind with confidence and a clear mind.

[@althalus3267]

Enjoy your freedom fellow primate.

[@brokecreole]

you are now his disciple. There is no escaping.

[@geneshifter]

@@brokecreole no leaders, no final solutions, no strong men

[@shaunmacloughlin7303]

Hitchens never actually replied to a point but always went off at a witty but adolescent tangent. I have to admire him however for his remarkable faith in in the atheist superstition in spite of all scientific evidence to the contrary. I wonder what he would have made of "Is Atheism Dead" by Eric Metaxas that has brought the science up to date

[@jeffmilroy9345]

Chris can no more say what happened 2000 years ago than you can. But something important happened I assure you. Something that resulted in people naming a person after the Christ. Whether you choose to believe in a burning bush or virgin birth or cleansing of sin is meaningless. It is what Christ did that matters. If you choose to turn away from that it is your right. Just as it was my ancestors right to believe. But as one of the Wigtown martyrs John Milroy was hung summarily. Be careful of what you support and ask for.

[@BR540E]

I love Christopher Hitchens and the way he communicates reason. I'm thankful for these religious people who brought this communication out of him. I admire him for defending what shouldn't need defending. I'm impressed by how effortlessly he drops to the level of ignorance and refuses to be beaten by its experience, whereas any lesser person, such as myself, would be beaten silly. One of my favorite parts is when he gives the soberingly true answer for why there is "evil" in this world 54:47 That we are part of nature and not separate from it is nothing to despair about. It just is.

[@saltybae0160]

I grew up in the christian church and have remained fearful of potential repercussions in the afterlife if certain codes of conduct are not followed. Hitch has completely obliterated that fear from me. I only discovered him in the last year and he is by a country mile the most informed person I have ever come across. His depth of tangible knowledge is insane. The amount of studying he must have done, research & counter research, to be able to 'prove' his reasoning & validate his opinions with absolute confidence is outstanding. He literally had 10 brains in his head, yet was able to communicate in a clear, decisive, un-pompous manner, focusing on delivering knowledge that might wake us all up. . None of Hitches opponents have debated with exact accuracy. Each one has tried to discredit him through their own interpretation of what they 'think' rather than what they 'know'. No two opponents have aligned in their ideology to an exact degree, isn't that a worry? Having said that I do believe religion is a control system and perhaps without it the world would look very very different indeed.

[@saltybae0160]

Al - I never said it did? & if you took that comment 'literally' then you shouldn't be here 🤣. It's also ok to make your point without being personal, which can be interpretaed as a shortcut for stupid. A new year is on the horizon try to be better! HNY

[@OswaldBatesIIIEsq]

"If hell were real, each occupant would be a shining reminder that god has failed." -- Robert Ingersoll

[@RobertCro]

@HalleluYAH 7 I also was brought up in an extremely Christian family. I believed every word in the bible and did my best to follow it faithfully. It wasn’t until my 20’s that I started to inform myself on what existed outside my bubble of belief. Realizing not one of my prayers, even the most insignificant selfless ones, had never been answered. What I thought was “god speaking to me” as a child was simply my imagination that was guided by the indoctrination I was exposed to. So here I pondered….and after 5 years of doubt, I came to this consensus. Knowing what we know about our history, if there is a god, it is not something I would ever want to be a part of. A creator that is so careless, cruel, and selfish…to create beings that are purposed to serve it and MUST love it. To simply allow all the misery and torture that endures every minute of every day to millions of people….and call it part of a eternal plan… No thank you. If it does exist, it can take its plan and shove it up it’s ass.

[@baneverything5580]

@@RobertCro Great. Keep supporting evil then. And keep being a fraud.

[@reverend-mother-the-kathbadine]

@HalleluYAH 7 it's about time you took your schitzophrenia medication haleluyah 7. Be a good mentally ill person and take it now. Then come offline and stop bothering those good atheist people with your delusions.

[@janman55]

Alister McGrath said “ Can you imagine god saying GO AND DO VIOLENCE TO SOMEONE” ? Perhaps he needs to re-read the Old Testament,. It is full of these commands from god.

[@2fast2block]

Did you ever read the first verse of the bible about the supernatural creation done by the supernatural creator, God? If you want to mock God, then you should have great evidence that creation happened all on its own. There is NO proof of that. Only a fool will even think that and accept it. Once that's accepted, then all the rest of foolish thoughts not caring about details will follow. Here is a great example of what a fool accepts. They started it by accepting a natural creation and is not embarrassed to show their ignorance from that point on. So if you want to pretend you know what the bible says and took it in a sequential manner to understand it (which generally how books go), then show what a real bible expert you are and how much you love reasoning by giving evidence that creation happened differently from how the bible says it happened.

[@ptuffgong8504]

@@2fast2block What a ridiculous concept. "If you want to mock God, then you should have great evidence that creation happened all on its own." BULLSHIT. We don't need to prove anything else, but people are working on it. You need to prove God. (ex Christian who knows the Bible better than most Christians I have ever met. The Bible is genocidal slavery porn.)

[@2fast2block]

@@ptuffgong8504 "What a ridiculous concept. "If you want to mock God, you must have proof of something else."" So you put in quotation marks something I never quoted. You sure are honest. "BULLSHIT. We don't need to prove anything else, " Says the dumbass who can't prove you can get past the first verse. You want to jump around just as I said, "So if you want to pretend you know what the bible says and took it in a sequential manner to understand it (which generally how books go), then show what a real bible expert you are and how much you love reasoning by giving evidence that creation happened differently from how the bible says it happened." "You need to prove God." I am because your dumb ass can't come up with how we got creation naturally. It's because it is impossible. We have no physics for a natural creation. So who or what did it naturally? Nothing. It is a supernatural God. "but people are working on it." We've worked on it. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. So you have doubts about the laws above. We can't conclude yet these laws and what the clearly prove. The door is wide open for you to do that but you'd rather wimp out rubbing your pussy as if someday this will all be thrown out. The laws are wrong somehow. Such things happening naturally to you yet you have no proof of it. God got it wrong wth ALL the science to back it up but you got it right with NO science to back you up. You're a dumbass.

[@karlrschneider]

@@2fast2block fuck you and fuck your filthy old collection of bronze pornography and the alleged deity described therein who would be, if it existed, the most despicable, unpleasant character in all fiction. www.godisimaginary.com/video2.htm

[@alanthompson8515]

@@2fast2block Hi. Your: " Real science says nothing does nothing." This puzzles me. Are you advocating unreal science as an alternative - "fiat lux" and all that? Otherwise, as a user of the Internet, you leave yourself open to being called a hypocrite. Perish the thought but, if real science does nothing, and there was an accident at home, I guess you would send up a smoke signal and wait for the local shaman to arrive in his chariot. No?

[@FireHazardz101]

Rest in power Professor Hitchens ❤ and thank you from the bottom of my heart

[@freedomlife3623]

@HalleluYAH 7 who cares, there is no soul just carbons which will breakdown and feed back to the earth. I do not wish anything eternal. How boring will that be. It’s a curse, not a bless.

[@MarjorainMD]

@HalleluYAH 7 Go preach elsewhere, we Atheists sleep very well at night knowing that we don’t have to worship an invisible evil deity that doesn’t exist. Hail Satan!😈

[@thegreatatheismo5005]

@HalleluYAH 7 I wouldn't read your very, very long post even if I thought you had a credible argument for your loony position, which you don't.

[@SPL0869]

@HalleluYAH 7 did you really write all this bullshit?

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@HalleluYAH 7 But if you could, first tell me why He wanted to design hundreds of ignorant, gullible angels, and then owe their leader anything post exile, or let him keep powers? And not tell Eve, ONE thing, about them? Or wider stakes. Also, when was Leviticus 25:46 and Exodus 21:3-20 going on the compost heap with NO AMBIGUITY left over, or other loose ends? And lastly, what does free will mean, to you, in light of Romans 8:30, Romans 9:12, Matthew 7:14, and Revelations 13:8? Is it predestinated, then, that Satan can ask odd questions about Job? And revisit, ah, heaven, to do so? Or that some will become slaves, even under Levitical law, long after it turned out useless?

[@carlomejia2212]

Professor Hitchens was a genius, we´ll miss him

[@robinrobyn1714]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

[@robinrobyn1714]

No we won't. Imbeciles are not missed. Only geniuses are.

[@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395]

@@robinrobyn1714 did you have a seizure?

[@robinrobyn1714]

@@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395 No. Are you a worthless pos?

[@greenjupiter]

😂😂😂😂

[@larryparis925]

Mr. Hitchens, though not a scientist, gets right to the heart of the matter: reason, science, and humanity...versus ignorance.

[@briandelaney9710]

Larry Paris It’s basically another form of bigotry

[@larryparis925]

@@briandelaney9710 Actually it is not, and you have failed to make the link between intellectual integrity and your claim of bigotry. Perhaps you are projecting your own personality traits.

[@thomascarroll9556]

@@larryparis925 one month on Larry, I guess Brian doesn't have anything.

[@davidmeikle3330]

Well said

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@Gelvins IRA Hitmen Or at very least, the coercion and dereliction of duty many tend to embody, oftentimes.

[@dr.naheedjamal6900]

I miss Hitchens so much.His style, accent,knowledge sense of humour and debating skills.

[@crawford2871]

His "joke" about the Amish girl, in light of what the other chap had just mentioned regarding the murder of five Amish children, was just about the most callous and disgusting thing I've heard in a so-called civilised debate. And you miss his "sense of humour"...

[@crawford2871]

@@EternalGaze8 You don't know what a strawman is.

[@crawford2871]

@@EternalGaze8 I understood perfectly well. The fact that he thought it appropriate timing was appalling. Timing is key in comedy and he knew what he was doing, surely. Amish girls were mentioned twice in this discussion: i) the chap mentions five of them being murdered; ii) Hitchens, moments later, telling that 'joke'. Here's what you're missing, I would probably have found it funny if it hadn't been timed so badly so as to almost insult the memory of those poor girls. I'm not saying he was speaking of them directly, which if I'm not mistaken you believe I am, rather that his timing was terrible and indicative of his complete disregard for religion (which is fine, that's his opinion) to the point he would muddy the memory of these girls by telling that joke when he did.

[@vizzini2510]

@@EternalGaze8 Some people just have no sense of humor, and they prefer to seek offense in everything they hear. These are people that you do not want to meet at a party.

[@robertdumicz7309]

Your hero of the plot "nothing" presented by Richard Dawkins, 50 seconds of pure joy and epic entertainment, give a Yt search for: Richard Dawkins Gets Laughed At By Crowd. Quotes of famous secular scientists ackowledging the bias and dishonesty of the secular so called scientific community: 1. Even if all the data points to an intelligent designer, such an hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic. S.D.Todd. Nature 410(6752):423 September 30, 1999 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. UNDERSTANDING THE MATERIALIST MINDSET "Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs... because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world...but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." Richard Lewontin, Billions and Billions of Demons The New York Review. January 9, 1997, p.31 -End quotes.

[@davidmoffitt5681]

Probably the most intellectually stimulating, eloquently delivered (on both sides) debate i have ever seen. If this was scripted dialog in a movie, it would be award winning. All the more reason to watch this again, again and again. Framing arguments, phrasing arguments and delivering statements which not only prove a point but are artistic in their creation is an intellectual work of art. I have watched this debate several times and I am always mesmerized. On our best days, may we be as eloquent and concise in expressing our thoughts on these folks are. BRAVO!

[@davesipsy7587]

I hear in in Professor McGrath's defense of Christianity, the same basic theme I hear in virtually every discussion I have with Christians on the validity of supernatural faith: No matter what logical assertion you make, the ultimate response is; "Okay, but what is really important is how I FEEL about Jesus." So, the debate can never advance because of the disparate platforms. One person is arguing from a basis of logical reasoning and the other is arguing from a basis of emotional sensation.

[@zgs12212012]

Dave Sipsy It’s a matter of logical levels and logical types that beliefs s get stuck because their ideas are not true to fact

[@FactStorm]

Well-said, spot on! I experience the same thing over & over again on all my years on this earth. It's unsettling and sad how these people succumb to delusion.

[@jakemichael8586]

Religion is a sickness! The religous never make a statment that can be tested. So religous debate just is adebate the cercel the drane!!

[@nonyabidnazz7487]

emotions are not a means to demonstrate objective *truth*

[@Probabalisticplane]

Agreed. Often the last ditch defense for many individuals of faith is "I feel a certain way when i believe in this thing, who are you to tell me how this is a bad thing." I think many individuals of faith are merely trying to cope and hope. They are often trying to make sense of an otherwise indifferent reality. But in this process, they learn to see patterns in the clouds and follow some rather miserable people into horrible acts. I think (as a therapist, mind you) that any deconstruction of faith should not merely critically look at the logical conclusions of their beliefs and the reasonability of fantastic claims, but also validate the core need that these religions often attempt to fulfill in that person.

[@Logofadog]

I wish I had half the elegance and wit Hitch , so uniquely brought to the conversation You are truly missed buddy!!!!

[@johnnycharisma162]

Logofadog 420 you called hitch buddy? What an insult.

[@Logofadog]

It wasn’t intended as an insult. Won’t you be like jebus and forgive me

[@Cristina-wv4pv]

Brilliant mind, l miss him terribly. I read everything he wrote, more than once. When l finished his last book, l closed the book waited 10 seconds and re-read "God is not GREAT."

[@studio-flash]

I wish I had a tenth.

[@2fast2block]

@@Cristina-wv4pv "l closed the book waited 10 seconds and re-read "God is not GREAT."" Wonderful. God is not great. Hey, how did Hitch answer how we got the creation of the universe without God. Surely Hitch covered that. Can't wait to hear.

[@petersutton523]

Every time I hear a theologian speak I become more convinced of the correctness of my atheism. The childlike ramblings of the proponents of religion just serve to shine a light on the fatal frailty of their position.

[@mysticwine]

The atheist position that existence just . . "happened", something from nothing. I call that frailty. I call it stupid atheistic nonsense! Full of nothing to contribute.

[@Pheer777]

I'd day individual theists and interpretations of religions can be silly and flawed, but there is merit to spirituality and theology as a discipline.

[@albacan]

@@mysticwine so adding a few spurious words crediting a god is credible? Which god? How did she do it? What evidence do you have?

[@Sir-Complains-a-Lot]

@@mysticwine Its not, just do the research. And even if you dont follow that what makes you think the magic man in the clouds is more likely?

[@mysticwine]

@@Sir-Complains-a-Lot Results.

[@Aeis_Kalt]

Ah, yes. Christopher Hitchens, one of the greatest orators, and columnists, this planet ever spawned. Still have a few of his books to add to my collection to complete it, but I have what I consider to be the most important ones.

[@martinwinter373637]

L 41:03 41:03 is 😂😂ax 😮m

[@clappedoutmotor]

The idea of the planet spawning columnists is amusing to me

[@dryfox11]

@@clappedoutmotor The idea of a mastermind creator popping into existence out of nowhere is amusing to me. Oh, and you haven’t even heard the words “planetary formation,” have ya?

[@clappedoutmotor]

@@dryfox11 I've heard of those words, yeah. Usually used seperately. It's making me want to research how planets are formed!

[@barrylondoff7235]

We needed Hitch this past year more than anyone.

[@GlowingMpd]

👍

[@holgerjahndel3623]

Also see the anthropologist James DeMeo about it.

[@caractacus22]

Damn right

[@TrippyKenpachi]

Past 4.

[@GlowingMpd]

@@TrippyKenpachi 👍

[@barbaralachance5836]

And here I am in 2022 and I've just discovered this guy 🤦😊 what a great mind. I wish he was still alive

[@tracyavent-costanza346]

hitchens is very much alive on youtube debates

[@elmoblatch9787]

Better late than never, Barb.

[@tracyavent-costanza346]

@@marketandeat7828 i can confirm that you are an arrogant idiot and I did not even have to look in the bible to discover that.

[@robertbentley3589]

Be sure to share him with your friends.

[@Auselesspileofflesh]

@@marketandeat7828 good thing hell doesn't exist

[@sbobo4437]

"What's it like to lie to children?" I miss this brilliant man.

[@Truth17John17]

Hitchens knows the answer. He knows all about lying: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5a0d6yVbNikibs

[@missesmew]

@@Truth17John17 in Canada, these bastards know what it’s like to molest and murder children. No getting around that, proof is been piling up and all the begit bagat bullshit doesn’t mean anything when kids are molested and murdered. Delusional pedophiles! Keep lying to yourself. lol

[@fareshtak.touhami412]

Probably the same as saying good old Thomas Jefferson, the slave owner, was an amazing human being because he was "enlightened" enough to not mention religion in the constitution.

[@deliriousmysterium8137]

@@fareshtak.touhami412 or what about abe Lincoln who wouldnt sign anti slavery bills when it didnt gain him a majority vote.

[@andrewbark885]

@@fareshtak.touhami412 Slavery was the done thing at the time, as wrong as it is. It would have been weird if he didn't do it. No person in history has been perfect but we can thank him for playing a small part in trying to keep religion from poisoning the American mind. Clearly hasn't been that efficient based on the levels of religion in the country but you can't have everything.

[@hafidhafsaadiqah5957]

Always a pleasure to listen to Christopher Hitchens!!

[@counterculture10]

Incredibly liberating!

[@robertbuckley3762]

And who will replace the legend Christopher Hitchens? :( I know of no one that can fill his shoes. I miss him dearly.

[@rachelnuku3170]

Maybe Matt Dilahunty??

[@kattcarter8357]

@@rachelnuku3170 Not replace. But certainly take up the mantle along with many others within the atheist community. I love me some Dillahunty though!

[@rachelnuku3170]

@@kattcarter8357 agreed

[@commenterperson4481]

@@rachelnuku3170 Joking?

[@commenterperson4481]

@@kattcarter8357 Not even remotely close.

[@StandOnGuard4Thee]

Im a lifelong sufferer of religious trauma syndrome. Atheism, and more specifically skeptisim is helping me tremendously by not only seeing the bigger picture. As someone who use to be in cults in my life (twelve tribes yellow deli) and a extreme branch of the pentecostal church, at the age of 34, my life, belief system, and my independent personality is slowly coming out.. i wish i could tell mr hitchens that the irony is that the knowledge he shares, sets you free indeed:p

[@phlarg2]

Very powerful. Im sorry for what you have had to go through. 🥰

[@rovidius2006]

It is tragic that Mother Nature allows for impostors to roam around and impersonate truth for personal gain but that means that we are also free and allowed to seek for that that is true ,life has a purpose of its own above all ..if we continue what was received that is the fulfilment of our perceived duty here .

[@chrisheath2637]

First - shed guilt...

[@guillermochavez2515]

I would advise anyone to stay away from cults, avoid radical postures.

[@derekbland5253]

If you want peace at time of troubles go to some woods. Smell the air, look at everything around you, above you and at your feet. Breath deeply, smile and relax.

[@bigaschwing2296]

The brilliance of Christopher Hitchens amazes me every time.

[@AllansStation]

His legacy lives on! This man has brought the truth to millions, it was through him that I saw the truth and became free form the religious dogma, Life without religion is life with true freedom.

[@bigaschwing2296]

Observer I couldn’t agree more

[@gregsmith5134]

This guy was an idiot he was supposed to be a brilliant biologist yet didn’t know how the human body works? He killer himself via his addictions. Such a genius hahaha

[@MeeMee-gz5vp]

@@AllansStation same here. Many thanks to Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins for setting me free! :)

[@libbah]

HE IS TRULY AN AMAZING HUMAN BEING.

[@kihntagious]

His speech, words are like listening to a symphony. Glorious.

[@EricRoss57]

Indeed!

[@jaredgriffiths1361]

Maybe i'm missing something, but despite trying to have an open mind for his point of view, McGrath seems to base his entire argument on the basis that Jesus existed, was divine and behaved in a certain way, eg. without violence, but where is the evidence that Jesus 1. actually existed, and 2. that if Jesus existed, what evidence is there that he was in some way divine or super natural or in any way superior morally to anyone or anything else? It still seems belief first, then try and fix the logic, whereas Hitch always works towards 'look at the evidence, analyze objectively, infer only what is possible and reasonable'. Hard to argue with.

[@davidblack2970]

I keep hoping that one of these bozos is going to concede that there is no evidence of God. And go on to list all of the reasons that we should act as if there were a God anyway. They probably still wouldn't convince me, but I'd hear them out with an open mind.

[@stevo2992]

Jesus-But you have to believe in me and what i say because - - - - - - - umm, well, my mum never went to bed with anyone, so there!

[@prophettoatheists8057]

Do you accept that the Jews existed and have a long historical record of more than 2 thousand years?

[@ayindemurphy5243]

@lary Snw Those writings refer only to the existence of Christianity and the existence of Christian claims. Even if we accept that Tacitus was referring to an actual Jesus existing and being crucified he says NOTHING about a resurrection of Jesus nor does he discuss the supposed resurrection of "many saints" on that same day who walked around Jerusalem talking to people according to one of the gospels. In any case there are ZERO CONTEMPORARY sources and even those sources from within a century or so speak only to the existence of BELIEF. Well the belief of ancient Egyptians in the existence of Horus, Osiris and Isis is FAR from being PROOF that they do or did exist. It is also possible that Socrates and Plato never existed. Furthermore that the Romans executed a Jewish guy in the rebellious province of Palestine during the 1st century C.E. is about as mundane a claim as it is possible to make. It's almost like saying that there were cowboys who rode horses in Texas in the late 1800s. That much was ROUTINE. And the name Yeshua was as common in Jewish men back then as John Smith is here in America today. I hope you have more evidence than that.

[@ayindemurphy5243]

@lary Snw that doesn't prove that he chose not to mention it it just proves that he did not mention it. You should watch a video by non-stamp collector it's called quiz show Bible contradictions

[@AtheistEdge]

How does one take a trouncing like this and continue practicing theology?

[@vejeke]

The power of indoctrination.

[@souloftheage]

One simply clouds the mind and stirs the soul.

[@mysticwine]

Theology is lost. So is atheism.

[@vejeke]

@@mysticwine Where I live almost nobody uses the word atheism even though almost all of us are atheists. Perhaps it is precisely for that reason, in a society where almost nobody believes that the earth is flat it makes no sense to use a word like a-terraplanism.

[@matwatson7947]

@@vejeke It's not the power of indoctrination. It's far more subtle than that. It's the power of FAITH. Ultimately no Atheist can (or should) ever say for certain that Jesus wasn't the son of God however the Theist can say that he was (with no evidence).

[@philippeberaldin5457]

Hitchens ,like Sagan ,I will listen to them again and again .Vitamins for the brain,that's what they are. Thank you Christopher. Thank you Carl.

[@luisrodriguezvera5935]

God loved C Hitchens and Sagan until the end. He loves you, too. That s a fact.

[@acspicer]

@@luisrodriguezvera5935 Which god? How did you prove that your particular version was the right one? Show your work.

[@hifibrony]

Prove it. With testable, observable evidence. Otherwise go sit in the corner.

[@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime]

Sagan was a moron.

[@hifibrony]

@@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime To quote the great physicist Wolfgang Pauli, you're not even wrong. To quote Bugs Bunny, ''whatta maroon!"

[@chrisogonas]

Watching this 10 years since its upload, but it remains as exciting and thought-provoking as ever! Quite a remarkable debate 👏👏👏

[@whirledpeas3477]

16 years old

[@wilyinfidel1091]

A fairly high level conversation for a ten year old to understand, I’d imagine?

[@chrisogonas]

@@wilyinfidel1091 Sorry, for the confusion, but I meant I was watching the video 10 years since it was posted and still I found it such an incredible conversation. I'm well over 40 years. Thanks

[@andrewmorton3344]

I am pleased that McGrath finds some of the passages in the Old Testament "disagreeable". I find genocide disagreeable too; in fact, I'll stick my neck out and say I really disagree with the idea!

[@stylis666]

Yeah... but how is he going to show people to be wrong who do agree with passages most of us find most disagreeable? The entirety of religion relies on rationalizing wishful thinking and "interpreting" cherry picked "evidence" to fit presumed factually correct biases and can't show that anyone else's is wrong. Religion therefore encourages harmful and dysfunctional thinking that can and does justify everything. I'll stake my life on it and say that religion is always harmful by its very foundation: accepting claims without evidence.

[@Longtack55]

That makes him a heretic. The NT and OT are of equal value and the NT makes this clear.

[@MeeMee-gz5vp]

@@stylis666 The sad part about it all is people are still indoctrinating their children

[@thereisnogod1473]

@Jazzkeyboardist1 please lay off the crack

[@thereisnogod1473]

@Jazzkeyboardist1 you seem to be an obsessed pervert. also i noticed your psychotic sentence structure. what hurt you so bad, in his words, that you became this way?

[@davidsmith6859]

I think I can summarise this debate. Mr Hitchens: I heard great oratory. Mr McGrath: I heard a lot of words. There was a famous Morecambe and Wise sketch with the conductor Andre Previn. Eric is playing the piano, very badly. Andre Previn tells him he's playing the wrong notes. Eric replies he playing all the right notes, just not necessarily in the right order. I understood all the words Mr McGrath used, just not necessarily in that particular order. They made little sense to me.

[@susanvadencourt1241]

I will make a point of listening to Alister McGrath whenever I am suffering with insomnia. Christopher Hitchens when I need to be awake, aware and motivated to start my day in the best possible mood.

[@2fast2block]

It's because you are so easily deceived and that's because you truly don't care about truth. You just pretend to. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only dingbats follow Hitchens.

[@ryand6003]

@@2fast2block Some choose to live as a slave and surrender reason and logic to absolve themselves from personal responsibility. But no worries, you can either worship your god for eternity or be tortured for infinite time, good luck with that!

[@twomicefighting]

@@2fast2block What's the difference between Science Fiction and Supernatural? Really confused here. Or, I could give you the answer you deserve, not being as eloquent as Hitch, it's basically; Fuck Off.

[@upadhyayrathiraj1518]

@@2fast2block Nobody has answered the question about the Virgin Birth and taking over the sin of others. Hitchens rightly questions how and why the Big Man choose the most illiterate, boorish and desert-dwelling people to "reveal" his thoughts? Why couldn't the God tell all that to the Chinese or Indians, who were much more evolved to understand things?

[@2fast2block]

@@ryand6003 ok, I understand, you couldn't get around what I gave so it was easier for you to let out your bowel gas instead.

[@donholt3361]

Greatly admire the Berkley centre for their warm welcome to Christopher Hitchins and willingness to engage with someone they know will absolutely not share their world view.

[@marketads1]

Every time I find a video of Hitch that I hadn't seen before, I fall in love all over again. It's not his good looks, even through his cancer that pained me so and took away his celebrity good looks, what causes me to love him is always there. His desire to share his deeply held and researched intellect with others that he uses like no other. With a combination like no one else: sophisticated and worldly wit, deep intellect, research, thoughtful philosophical stands and cultural experiences across the planet that exposed him to humankind like no other of his sorry, dry, boring repetitive debaters. Take down another Robert E. Lee statue and give one to Hitch!

[@2fast2block]

Come on, be honest, you're a loser who is attracted to other losers like Hitch. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only shallow people follow Hitchens.

[@MrAnthonyVance]

I so agree with you Zoya. I miss Hitch!

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Did you ever ask yourself why some people are born crippled in a refugee camp and others in Beverly Hills? It is because the one born crippled maybe raped his daughter or tortured people in some prison. Reincarnation allows life to make sense, nothing else can.

[@robertdumicz7309]

@@jeffforsythe9514 Since you ignore the afterlife and the kingdom of God, your brain is stucked in a nonsense.

[@joeanthony7759]

@@robertdumicz7309 both of your heads are stuck in nonsense….little wonder the world in such a state with the majority of humans holding beliefs like these. And our beliefs inform our actions.

[@MsKariSmith]

Another brilliant talk by C. Hitchens. His logic and clear way of speaking is understandable to everyone .

[@commenterperson4481]

Not everyone, not the religious...

[@mysticwine]

Too bad he doesn't have clue about what he says.

[@SequenceKomplete]

@@mysticwine yawn… you keep popping up saying this but never ever EVER give an example of why he doesn’t know what he is talking about. So tedious.

[@mysticwine]

@@SequenceKomplete The examples are every negative word he mutters about religion. What frosts me is his ignorance as he positions himself as the final word that destroys religion. He knows nothing about religion, NOTHING. He has zero followers that will take up the torch for him and spread his word world wide. Most likely they are laughing at his nonsense.

[@sethpatrick]

@@mysticwine you are so brainwashed it makes me sad.

[@elizabethwagner2190]

I've listened to him for decades. Over and over. And will keep listening thanks to this awesome visual medium of the internet. Wonderous times.

[@robertbuckley3762]

I was just thinking that very thought a minute ago. Technology is great! I can download and study code, get code references, play with Arduino, when I don't know much about electronics. I learned how to fix my own seat belt from the internet! But then I thought, how many friends and families have torn themselves apart because of social media? Misinformation, mass media, aggressive and invasive marketing, fraud, theft etc, which is also wonderous in a way, but very damaging.

[@at6686]

It’s ironic that CH has achieved a kind of immortality thru technology like KZbin that religion can never provide.

[@elizabethwagner2190]

Christopher was a man who could have born in any time and place and captivated the people around him by his pure knowledge of the spoken word and knowing your facts. A gift to a world that usually doesn't like intellect in its purist form. Honestly and truth.

[@at6686]

@@elizabethwagner2190 A couple hundred years ago people would gather to hear talks and debates by various experts and authors on the topics of the day. It was the equivalent of watching documentaries or going to the movies. I can’t imagine what it must have been like to hear people like Thomas Paine or Lincoln or Frederick Douglass speak. Now we call each other names and insults on the internet. I’ve always thought of CH as a man of letters throw back to that time. He’ll mention someone like Spinoza who I have to look up and then realize I’m embarrassed to not know more about and he can quote him off the cuff. His breed is very rare and precious.

[@commenterperson4481]

You must have had a decades worth of wisdom and clarity... hope in humanity that at least there are sane people around

[@krishnanunnimadathil8142]

To answer Rev. McGrath’s basic question, “Can there be a metaphysical, transcendental basis for morality in human interaction?”, the response is that it is eminently possible for a sound basis for morality without any transcendental basis at all. It boils down to respecting others and their property rights, and the idea, as correctly enunciated by Hitchens, of a universal dictator, to arbiter between right and wrong, basically takes off the burden of seeking virtue from the individual, who is the ultimate unit of account in a civilised society. Strong belief in a universal moral arbiter as a sort of a morality backstop is in large part responsible for the impunity with which property and individual rights are violated in societies across the world.

[@rigelmoon9030]

Christopher Hitchens speak so eloquently. I've listened to his debates with earnest. I never tire of him; and, hang on each word. If it wasn't for him, I'd still be wallowing in christianity uncertain of everything that stood to reason. Religion is holding back our positive evolution as a species. Humans have suffered immeasureably because of religion. More humans have died in the names of gods than for any other reason.

[@rigelmoon9030]

@@jdowns7636. How do ya know?

[@ysf-psfx]

@@jdowns7636. The astounding ego it must take to claim to know the will of the creator of a universe. I don't believe in it, but you clearly do.

[@Truth17John17]

@@rigelmoon9030 To answer your question to J Downs, I can say that my Lord and Savior has always been faithful to me. Our Creator has never broken a single promise in all of my 65 years. But like everyone else, you are entitled to your opinion.

[@rigelmoon9030]

@@Truth17John17 What promise has "our creator" ever made? Did he speak to you personally? At least Hitchens used his own speech centers and recorded it for posterity. Religion is all mythology. Let me ask you. Of the 11,000 or so religions the human species has believed in throughout history, which ones have been proven to be real? And, remember. Faith and belief are not evidence.

[@JM-ot8ux]

@@rigelmoon9030 It's a repeated mantra: God keeps His promises. If you're so impolite as to ask, "What promises?" they come down to, um, like, He will never leave you, He will always be with you, His word will last forever, His kingdom is not of this earth, He has prepared a place for you in Heaven (some conditions apply), He will comfort you, He will give you strength. Vague feely stuff. But "keeps His promises" is the stuff of sermons, evangelizing, and most especially contemporary Christian music. They also sing refrains that trumpet, "You kept every single promise to me," but they also never specify. That would be questioning _God._

[@Steve-Cross]

I wish I had half of Christopher Hitchens intellect. What a brilliant mind and gift for words he had. He is sorely missed.

[@derp8575]

Remember he was pro-life and anti-socialist.

[@tmuxor]

@@derp8575 so what? Lol. I don't think that takes much away from what he's most known for.

[@derp8575]

@@tmuxor Just giving factual information. That's all.

[@robertdumicz7309]

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools...

[@Steve-Cross]

@@robertdumicz7309 there speaks a person, who still believes in fairy tales.

[@2014saints]

Anyone who refers to their previous held atheism as "faith" probably doesn't actually understand atheism.

[@Birkguitars]

Or faith for that matter.

[@2014saints]

@Brad Watson Hitler claimed he was a Christian. But pointing to some atheist like Stalin that did something bad says nothing about any other atheists. There's no dogma, commandments, or leaders in atheism. It's not like their lack of religion was what compelled them to do anything.

[@Birkguitars]

@Brad Watson Although there is a lot of technical language in the piece to which your link connects there is a fundamental error in the text. There is a statement "Science is based on the observation patters in Nature/reality and explaining them mathematically". Although a lot of science is reliant on maths for measurement there is more to it that explanation. Scientific methodology is intended to find results which are reproducible in a way which confirms that there is only one explanation. There are no such experiments for reincarnation and there is no peer reviewed reproducible explanation of reincarnation. There is also a fundamental error in this statement as, for example, the difference between Newtonian explanations of gravity and the lack of any quantum explanation of gravity. Newton gave us the maths but we have not yet reached the theory of everything so maths alone is not enough. Others have made the point that atheism does not command anyone to commit genocide but the bible does. It explicitly commands the Israelites to slaughter the men and boys of other tribes, to murder the women and to keep the virgin girls to be slaves. It explicitly allows perpetual inherited slave status for those who are not Jews. That is a fundamental difference between religion and atheism.

[@kellyvandermeel9794]

@Brad Watson None of those people ever claimed that what they were doing was in the name of Atheism, or specifically because they didn't believe in god. Hitler was more racially motivated than anything, he wanted a pure race. But through out history, religious wars and crusades were fought specifically for the purpose of converting people to their faith, and if they refused they would die. No one has ever tried to force anyone to become an Atheist.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@Brad Watson I'd take you more seriously if you had some idea of how to distinguish between totalitarian, utopianist agendas, that seek to redefine human nature and progress, etc (oddly in line with similar theocracy style ideas, at times) and basic secular values and concepts, that you seem to very loosely conflate...

[@jamesepperson5940]

I just discovered Hitchens early this week when I was looking for Richard Dawkins debates. I now can’t decide who I like more hitchens or Dawkins. I can only say I will be a little bit sadder when Dawkins dies just as I’m sad to find out that Hitchens died. They have both helped me rationalize this world I find myself in

[@Tretas.]

Dawkins is more matter-of-fact, which is the outcome of his extensive scientific background. He switfly strikes the BS core, like he did fairly recently against Jordan Peterson's DNA/coiled snakes nonsense. Dawkins was barely allowed a word in, but half a dozen were more than enough for him to utterly demolish his opponent. Hitchens is more literary; his speeches more memorable due to his excellent poetic rethoric, which lends itself perfectly to inspirational videos. Check on YT the 'Hitch Series' if you haven't -- start with 'Unwoven Rainbow'. Both are great and used to completement each other. And Dawkins, being a healthy octogenarian, already surpassed the avg. lifespan of a Christian (72.1 years) which is a huge bonus just by itself.

[@jamesepperson5940]

Well I certainly didn’t expect anyone to respond to this but I was just talking to my friend yesterday about that Dawkins/Peterson conversation and how hard it was to listen to and at that point when Peterson was talking about seeing his own DNA on an acid trip made me turn it off. I lost all respect for Peterson and I was only giving him another chance after watching him embarrass himself interviewing Penrose and Peterson kept asking him dumb questions the whole time and trying to get into a whole spiritual philosophic esoteric bs rant. Thanks for the recommendation though

[@Tretas.]

@@jamesepperson5940 Penrose visually aged 10 years in trying to unravel wtf Peterson was on about. There's stream of consciousness and then there's Petersonian stream of unholy diarrhea. Poor Penrose; what torture.

[@jonathanrussell1140]

​@@jamesepperson5940 Have you discovered Alex O'Connor, Matt Dillahunty and AronRa yet. Alex goes deeper into the philosophy and AronRa is brilliant on real word refutations of everything religious. He provides the extensive detail on the things Hitch tended to gloss over or summarise. And Matt Dillahunty is somewhere between the two of O'Connor and AronRa.

[@jamesepperson5940]

@@jonathanrussell1140 I have discovered Matt and he’s great but not the other ones yet. It’s crazy you just commented after a year and only within the last week have I been getting back into this stuff

[@mrdrone4253]

Two words can sum up everything McGrath said, WORD SALAD. The moderator doesn't seem to care what Hitchens has to say. He's having a conversation with McGrath while hitchens talks

[@GlowingMpd]

👍

[@33roses]

I’m a Christian and thought that was so disrespectful.

[@jeffmckeown9639]

But everyone else was listening to Hitch.

[@GlowingMpd]

@@jeffmckeown9639 😀👍

[@shibainu6087]

You'll often find that the most entertaining aspect these debates is the odds being heavily stacked against Hitchens and him still winning every time.

[@michrich2000]

" I know I've been a little verbose" it's why we listen to you, we love it.

[@paulgemme6056]

So brilliant that he believed that everything that exists came from nothing. No designer, no creator. Try putting a paper clip in a garage and see how long it takes before it becomes a Cadillac. Without a designer and a creator, it will never become a Cadillac.

[@jonathanrussell1140]

​@@paulgemme6056isn't it funny how god the all powerful can't build houses, roads, sewers - useful stuff....

[@paulgemme6056]

@@jonathanrussell1140 When things were perfect (sinless), man didn't need a house or clothes and all the food he could eat was right there in front of him (Freely given) on all the trees. When man sinned, he ruined the perfect set up. Man is the most destructive creature on the planet.

[@LazyJack2003]

My hero. Died far too soon. Whenever I am asked whom I would have liked to have met in my life Hitchens comes up as first, second and third.

[@2fast2block]

It's because you're a shallow person too. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only dingbats follow Hitchens.

[@LazyJack2003]

@@2fast2block I guess there is no point in trying to explain to you the circularity of your argumention attempts, is there ? But anyway, thanks for your efforts. I was just a bit dismayed by you calling me a shallow person. Not very friendly for someone who claims to follow Jesus. But anyway. I forgive you . And now, after reading all that rubbish you wrote I have to cleanse myself by listening to some more Hitchens. Have a glorious day.

[@2fast2block]

@@LazyJack2003 "And now, after reading all that rubbish you wrote" And the details you gave of what I wrote on faith and creation are rubbish... (blank) Then you actually think you're not a shallow person is really funny stuff.

[@aaronpannell6401]

@@2fast2block if Faith is trust built on evidence seen, then it should be reproducible. No one has ever heard of Christianity until the far west of the middle east and the Europeans started spreading the words. If what you said is true then native Americans would have seen that Christ was the truth before Columbus made it to the America's. That is how we know your statement about faith is wrong, it's not based on evidence seen.

[@2fast2block]

@@aaronpannell6401 loser, you never got around anything I wrote, but that's what you losers are famous for.

[@maboleth]

People talk about intellect of Hitchens. While no doubt he had plenty, what he also had, what 8 out of 10 in population lacks (sorry to say) is huge pair of balls and consistency. It's one thing to privately think like Hitchens, it's totally another to actually go there, write books, give speeches to the world that is completely the opposite of you and want to crush you with your 'blasphemous' beliefs and thinking. You not only have to prove your theories to the most twisted and highly intelligent fanatics and scholars, you have to be consistent in your work as well. So hats off to you sir. Even when you were looking at your death, you did it with dignity and courage, never for a millimeter went astray from what you believed in.

[@kathleendubois7128]

BRAVO! YES

[@RichardKefalos]

Hitchens: "I don't think we want to go back to a world where we think the earth is flat, and the sun revolves around it..." 2021: "Hold my beer....."

[@RichardKefalos]

@Gary Fletcher Why would he need to respect a fictional entity? Honestly, why would god command more respect than, say, the boogie-man or the wicked witch of the west?

[@commenterperson4481]

@Gary Fletcher which of the gods?

[@commenterperson4481]

@Gary Fletcher ..and the man of faith have spoken. Like C.H. always says: name one evil thing -done- said in the name of religion....

[@RichardKefalos]

@Gary Fletcher Why go to heaven, when all the interesting people are in hell? You definitely confirm that statement.

[@RichardKefalos]

@Gary Fletcher If that is the case, you are going to be frying right next to me though... Doesn't the bible teach you to love your neighbor? I'm not feeling any love here)))) In fact, it sounds like you have sadistic tendencies, enjoying the fact that I am going to burn entirely to much)))))

[@tony7830]

hitchens just has it, you could listen to him for hours.

[@robandrews4815]

What do you mean could listen to him for hours......I do and more people should.😍😍😍

[@stylis666]

@John Cenataur Aw... That's so sweet! I believe in you as well, even though you haven't a clue what damage you do by giving the example of believing in things you have no good reason to believe and not even have a reason to believe is possible and by giving the example you validate all beliefs, including but not limited to the belief that homosexual men should be killed if they ever dare to show and share their love physically with an enthusiastically consenting adult.

[@cthoadmin7458]

Yes, I fear there’s no one left of his stature, now he’s gone. Mesmerising, truely mesmerising.

[@studio-flash]

I do.

[@studio-flash]

@dan simple??? Hitchens was a monumental charismatic genius.

[@anton1949]

Hitchen's best line I think is "who would even want it to be true?" A celestial dictator who watches everything you do your entire life. Then set you on fire if you displease him.

[@2fast2block]

Your Hitch is dead then will be judged by God, shamed, then thrown into the lake of fire to be now more, just as you fools are heading. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. ---"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”--- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only fools follow Hitchens.

[@monadarling74]

@@2fast2block please do go on because you're HILARIOUS!

[@2fast2block]

@@monadarling74 how a dingbat gives this evidence to somehow prove me wrong... "please do go on because you're HILARIOUS!" It's evidence to those who are a waste of life.

[@xarmanhskafragos2516]

@@2fast2block Excuse me sir i believe that your brain is damaged , maybe you should check that out.

[@2fast2block]

@@xarmanhskafragos2516 more dingbat science that somehow was supposed to show how much smarter they are in showing I'm wrong in what I wrote... ...and I'm not making this up....this really is their evidence... "Excuse me sir i believe that your brain is damaged , maybe you should check that out."

[@NicksMagicstorytime]

Hitchens’ intro has to be one of his best, most scathing criticisms of religious thinking.

[@rcnfo1197]

I've read Hitchens' book (God Is Not Great) and listened to many of his lectures and debates, but never found a more devastating and concise argument against the Judeo-Christian faith than his opening remarks here. Bravo Hitchens! He is sorely missed.

[@2fast2block]

So now you're as empty as Hitch was. You must be so proud. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only dingbats follow Hitchens.

[@freddiesimmons1394]

@@2fast2block hitchens is describing what applying faith does to people. Not what it is as defined by the bible. Like if the bible said slaves obeying their masters is a good thing, and if Hitchens said it's evil, you would equally look like a fucking idiot for saying "but da bible says it's good". (Which it does, by the way) Also, go ask a real scientist what "nothing" is, and maybe you will sound educated for the first time in your life.

[@HopefulAgnostic]

@@2fast2block You are so set on science needing god due to 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics, but where did God come from? If you do not allow the universe to exist because it to our knowledge defies the 1st law of thermodynamics then you cannot let a God exist either, because a such a being would also defy those laws. Why is it so hard to say ''I do NOT know how the universe was created and I am ok with that'' instead you have to lie and pretend that you KNOW a God created it. You are quite litteraly contradicting yourself, jesus christ the mental gymnastics you have to do are completely insane.

[@2fast2block]

@@freddiesimmons1394 " hitchens is describing what applying faith does to people. Not what it is as defined by the bible." That's funny, Hitch puts down the bible on a regular basis but in this case he was not referencing the bible? How do you know? Biblical faith is the opposite of what Hitch is saying and I showed that, so faith DOES good. It's not blind faith like Hitch goes by with creation happening on its own that has NO evidence. Try your loser excuse with other losers who find you smart and honest. Now since you can't deal with what I wrote and showing what a loser you are on what you put on faith vs what I showed it means, you want to ignore creation and jump to slavery. Doing the ol' loser two-step in desperation to change the subject. I'll gladly cover slavery in the bible after you admit you're a loser who is afraid to see what a misfit you are for ever thinking creation can happen on its own and say the same for Hitch. "Also, go ask a real scientist what "nothing" is, and maybe you will sound educated for the first time in your life." For one, like Kraus who wrote the book A Universe from Nothing will finally admit it's something when he pressed to admit it. Dawkins "literally nothing" is just parroting Krauss. Loser, "literally nothing" does not leave much guesswork. They want losers like you thinking it can all come from nothing...no thing...but it's not nothing, it is something They just changed the meaning for you losers that believe it. You and Krauss are not the only losers, here are a few more... “But scientists have known for centuries that nothing is the key to understanding absolutely everything, from why particles have mass to the expansion of the universe - so without nothing we’d be precisely nowhere.” (New Scientist Promotions, 21 October 2013) “We started from literally nothing; from empty spacetime containing solely the energy of the quantum vacuum, and have arrived at our Universe today, with its billions of galaxies, stars, and all that ever was or will be here on Earth. (The Physics of Nothing; The Philosophy of Everything, August 16, 2011) Alan Guth, “The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing-zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere." Hawking, "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," he writes. "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist."

[@freddiesimmons1394]

@@2fast2block lol you're responding to a 9 month old comment, and I'm the loser? You religious folks really like holding on to old bullshit, don't you?

[@sydneymorey6059]

A man of great intelligence and experience, making him a very great teacher. Thank you so much Christopher, and KZbin, a wonderful combination. Cheers SBM.

[@mysticwine]

Hitchfuk is dumber than a rock.

[@johndoney2665]

He became sin who knew no sin that we might become His rightness. He humbled Himself and carried the cross. Love so amazing JESUS Messiah name above all names blessed redeemer, Emanuel, the rescue for sinners the ransom from Heaven JESUS Messiah Lord of all.

[@SUdatsthecalloftheWU]

@@johndoney2665 Jesus who allows people who claim to know him rape children? Great guy 👍🏼

[@wishusknight3009]

@@mysticwine Can you make any specific points that you find objectionable? or do you just spew out emotional toddler rants all the time?

[@wishusknight3009]

@@johndoney2665 Emanual was not jesus. The prophecy was misinterpreted and wrong. Also, sin is just a religious concept of obedience to the interpretation of a holy book. Nothing more.

[@cuzned1375]

“Why is there something rather than nothing?” _Why_ is a nonsensical question. _How_ - now, there’s a question that’s worth answering and that might even have an answer.

[@MoonwalkerWorshiper]

Why and how are closely related. "How can this happen" is also a question to why it happens. How it does answers what it is therefore why.

[@derekmizer6293]

@@MoonwalkerWorshiper no they are not. Why is irrelevant. Figuring HOW it was done improves our knowledge. Saying "I dont know so it must be god" is ridiculous

[@MoonwalkerWorshiper]

@@derekmizer6293 What's ridicolous is replying "no it's not, I'm right because I say so" like you are doing like a small child. Why and how are closely related. "How can this happen" is also a question to why it happens. How it does, answers what it is, therefore why. Answering questions is about finding out the truth or the facts. There is nothing irrelevant about that.

[@derekmizer6293]

@@MoonwalkerWorshiper 🤣🤣🤣🤣jackass

[@MoonwalkerWorshiper]

@@derekmizer6293 Yes you are, you argue like one.

[@AtamMardes]

"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." -- Voltaire

[@metroidmayhem8463]

"If I can't be erect at least I can be upright" lol Hitch was a comedic genius.

[@kiwitrainguy]

He said that during his debate with his brother Peter as well.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Did you ever ask yourself why some people are born crippled in a refugee camp and others in Beverly Hills? It is because the one born crippled maybe raped his daughter or tortured people in some prison. Reincarnation allows life to make sense, nothing else can.

[@metroidmayhem8463]

@@jeffforsythe9514 it's an interesting theory yes

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@micktaylor891 There is a reason for everything that happens. If you see, for example, a child with a horrible disease it would because in that child's past life, it committed horrible acts. That is called karmic retribution. That is just the way things are, I think that was mentioned in the Bible when God said leave the judging to Me.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@jeffforsythe9514 Retribution? Retribution is a SIMPLISTIC approach to ethical law or restitution. Others say rebirth is so you can experience what you did to another, to gain THEIR view of it, or to repay a debt to someone, by helping them with an example, or a service. It can be defined as far more complicated than you've so far put it. And where did you even get your information on it from? And if we're including mad angelic revolts in a perfect realm into this - well, there's very little clear reason for that, yet.

[@AzimuthTao]

"I'm not looking for consensus Baby... I'm just not in the mood". 1:10:16

[@gordonwroe3739]

This Alister guy loves to waffle.....

[@iXpress]

My favorite public speaker, first saw his videos in 2013.

[@tlcmeans]

Wow, two powerful, educated, and dynamic speakers with opposing views...I love it. We need to learn from and emulate this interaction

[@jakhaughton1800]

Hitchens was truly well read and able to debate with knowledge and a grasp of the facts. Religion has lots to answer for. Everyone has the right to a faith; but religion has abused this right because it’s man made.

[@VINODPATEL-mf2ky]

Only the Abrahamic religions are evil. Because they.orgornised creat discrimination like apartheid in the world.

[@lawrence1318]

Religion is man made, yes, but God is not man made.

[@robertdumicz7309]

You can't evade the empirical known facts, everything needs a source and a ultimate eternal source and cause, order requires an intelligent agent, fine tuning requires a highly skilled and intelligent creator, life require life to come out of, information in DNA and the language to read that information, both found in DNA, require a high intelligence and many known laws are violated by an Universe out of nothing with no cause and no creator. I may name them but l prefere to once more prove creation with scientific data and with quotes of secular scientists, meanwhile to kill your evil-ution-ism in another way, by falsifying the idea of an old Solar System and Universe with the aforementioned pieces of evidence and quotes, with other words to shot two rabbits with a bullet, figuratively writing. Let's begin with proving a young Solar System and creation with a sheer amount of scientific data discovered and received by mostly secular scientists in the last decades, so give a Yt search for; "What you aren't being told about astronomy vol.1" and then 2 and 3 for the Universe and its origins. There along with a sheer amount of data which falsify an old Solar System and big bang idea and reveal creation, you and anyone may read quotes of those secular scientists acknowledging their own ideas falsified by the data received, along with the references and the time stamps of those particular quotes to be able to double check them. Meanwhile creation is again proven true, this time here and for all of you. Also meanwhile evolution is falsified by revealing that the pretended millions and billions of years they claim would sufice that such process could happen, are actually missing from Earth's history. In the near future l might have the pleasure to falsify once more, directly this time, that idea which actually is already revealed to be evil-ution-ism. For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries. Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers

[@TerryMcGearyScotland]

The ‘right’ is still there, so long as it does impinge adversely on the rights or lives of others. The trouble starts when religious types don’t stop at being ‘offended’ by the words or harmless actions (holy book burning for example or cartoons of their revered bff) but start beating, shooting and bombing people about it. Why not just shrug, mutter “insensitive idiots” under their breaths and get over it.

[@sapereaudekpkishor4600]

God is a municipality creation

[@olly7248]

Christopher Hitchens remains amazing and relevant even though he has sadly passed away ❤️

[@margyrowland]

Too bad he didn’t embrace Jesus

[@Truth17John17]

"Amazing and relevant"..... considering he's a liar.....: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5a0d6yVbNikibs

[@Truth17John17]

"Dear God in Heaven, I've made a terrible mistake...." Christopher Hitchens final thought before passing away.....

[@marlow4388]

@@Truth17John17 ratio

[@D3nchanter]

@@margyrowland I don't believe even as he was dying he was ever that brain damaged.

[@drfunk444]

I listened to McGrath for as long as I could and he didn't really say anything

[@gordonbradley3241]

Still trying to work out anything he actually said ? Ferociously intelligent ? Thick as mince !

[@upadhyayrathiraj1518]

He did say "blah ..blah ..blah"!

[@bb21again.67]

McGrath says "I think,I think, I think,I think" then claims he knows.

[@KingsOfSpins]

The cadence of Alister McGraph's voice, as he is delivering his belief is hypnotizing, almost like a poet or even a melodic rapper where your senses get pulled into the melody and accept the words as given, much like a passionate preacher. NOT being critical of McGraph at all, just observing my own self losing myself into the vocal rhythm. FYI - the religious troubles in Northern Ireland, Alister McGraph's homeland, were brought to peace by many quarters including a significant part of that evolution being a drug called MDMA. The young dance music loving Catholics and Protestants bonding on the dancefloors of Northern Ireland, falling in love then returning to their families to declare their unions (including pregnancies) thereby forcing their parents to view the futures of their young kin and future grandchildren through the kaleidoscope of religious violence or through the eyes of love. Love won. A PBS doc is in development... Christopher Hitchens (RIP) - a true sage of our times.

[@tonyhostetter497]

He is a preacher

[@jrantajoki]

I think that McGraph very much revealed himself at the beginning already. He is just one of those who can´t cope with the thought of accepting all the "we don´t knows". Replace the "We don´t know" with god, and there is a comforting, easy resolution to the questions yet to be answered by science. So he is just a cliché, possibly a brilliant mind in some ways.. but weak and faulty in others.

[@DaveWhoa]

looked like he was microdosing on mdma

[@ob2249]

yet I find Mcgrath `s v0ice is red0Ient 0f meaningIess meek pr0testant serm0ns deIivered by meek, dare I say, wet vicars 0f dibIey his v0ice is irritatingIy 0bseque0us he c0mes acr0ss Iike rimmer in red dwarf when he`s pIanning t0 attack the baddie with a IeafIet campaign my resp0nse t0 his awfuI argument ? is, 0h dear reaIIy ? aaw

[@karlschmied6218]

@@jrantajoki All gods are "gods of the gap," dei ex machina whose purpose is stress relief. Pain pills. But these drugs often have painful side effects.

[@kenichiotaku3693]

"swapped my faith in atheism" RED FLAG right there, he just spilled the beans on the fact that he doesn't understand atheism, therefore it is probable that he wasn't an atheist to begin with which in this context would make him into a liar. So the question still stands: If you need to lie in defense of your truth, how can you claim it is truth to begin with?

[@andykruskamp1939]

Well said!

[@MeeMee-gz5vp]

When religious people want to make their beliefs seem rational, they always say they were once 'this' and 'that,' depending on what will appeal to their audiences. It's all bs anyway.

[@kenichiotaku3693]

@@MeeMee-gz5vp That's quite the obvious pattern, isn't it? xD

[@prophettoatheists8057]

On what formal code of ethics do you appeal to distinguish what is truth and what is a lie? In relativism a lie can be your personal truth and you can change your "truth" at will!

[@EKDupre]

That's how you unravel a knot right there

[@paulinagoral]

I love this so much! He is so missed !!!

[@wolfganggoethe2569]

I discovered Hitchens, Harris, Dawkins, and Dennett in the Summer of 2008. It was a turning point in my life, and I’ve never looked back since. And the irony is that I’m a professor of world religions. And yea, my agenda has totally changed…..for good.

[@weekendwerewolf7157]

I believe the more you learn about all religions, the less you will believe any of them

[@robertdumicz7309]

A blessing to not be a physics professor, because then the idea of all out of nothing and without a cause would drive you crazy. But so you pretend that what you teach is fake and the Universe would come out of nothing, nothing wrong with thaaaaat nananananaaaa...

[@weekendwerewolf7157]

@@robertdumicz7309 hopefully your next comment actually contains something intelligent

[@robertdumicz7309]

@@weekendwerewolf7157 My previous actually contain what you hope for, it's just that you didn't notice it.

[@JetUpKoala]

Just discovered Hitchens recently. I’m only 23. I was wondering what books would recommend?

[@christianbennis419]

I miss this man, he is needed now more than ever! Problem is, people are not receptive to logic thinking of our history. It is man made tales, nothing more, nothing else! 🧚🏻‍♀️🕺

[@paulszymanski1005]

Hitchens- bravo!!! wherever your spirit/energy is now, you still bring so much intelectual pleasure through this debate- thank you!!!

[@kristopherjon6496]

I'm sure he would assert that he is nowhere.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Did you ever ask yourself why some people are born crippled in a refugee camp and others in Beverly Hills? It is because the one born crippled maybe raped his daughter or tortured people in some prison. Reincarnation allows life to make sense, nothing else can.

[@hunterhall1575]

I don’t think his rotting corpse can hear you, most of him is already grass by now

[@hunterhall1575]

@@jeffforsythe9514 Yeah that’s a disgusting and evil idea you just espoused. Judging people as criminal because they are born into suffering? So by your logic, I was born autistic because Im more evil than neurotypical people, is that it?

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@hunterhall1575 What is Mozart doing right now, decomposing.

[@howarddrake2544]

Thank you Mr Hitchens for this very enlightening speech.

[@2fast2block]

Yes, thank loser Hitch for promoting being a loser. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@thegroove2000]

Bless you ha ha.

[@2fast2block]

@@thegroove2000 I'm already blessed you're heading towards doom, ha ha.

[@thegroove2000]

@@2fast2block Have you had your covid jabs?.

[@MarjorainMD]

@@2fast2block You are insane, and a fly circling around the pile of dung, go away and begone!

[@KanonHara]

1:16:09 Professor McGrath makes a truly outrageous point and the crowd cant help but laugh

[@colemoore44]

“You have to see them as human and love them and be kind” Except when things they can’t control happen and cause them to have ANY different belief, happen to be gay, happen to be black, happen to have sex before marriage, marry someone with a different religion, etc etc etc

[@happydancerboy]

I read the Dawkins Delusion by McGrath when I was 17/18, and having doubts on my Christianity. The weakness of McGrath's book helped cultivate those doubts, and pushed me towards looking for better answers. After a couple of years of seeking, I progressed from being a fairly evangelical Christian to agnostic, to a fully convinced atheist. How on earth does this guy get to share a stage with Hitch? :(

[@2fast2block]

Great, so to you God didn't create, it happened naturally. Do tell how that was.

[@drmontague6475]

I was a creationist, believed that there was an intelligent designer. I had a wet fart whilst walking around a shopping mall. I became a militant atheist.

[@neimanmario]

@@2fast2block Watch some videos of Lawrence Krauss and you may begin to understand how it happened.

[@esq8]

Check out Hitchens debate against Dr William Lane Craig.

[@happydancerboy]

@@esq8 I've seen it. Regardless of what you think of him, Craig is a formidable debater. Alister McGrath is way out of his depth, and should not be getting on stage (or writing books) to discuss this sort of thing.

[@paullever3713]

Thank you Mr Hitchens, a fine display of sanity, evidence and honesty....to Dr McGrath, nice guy, easily fooled, but seems like a nice guy....

[@paulrichards6894]

rather depressing when you have someone so intelligent as McGrath falling for religious crap

[@robertdumicz7309]

Here's your bias and actually dishonesty, most probably because you know our Creator has moral expectancies, you don't like. For the earthly depravity got that bad that for example fornication became a virtue, while dirt, moral and physical bad and evil is praised cherished and became a pride... The simplest example is the expression badass, what is that word comprised of..? Of bad/evil and of ass which is the most dirty part of the body where the dirt comes out... That is what this, sadly decayed society came to cherish... From love, goodness and moral virtues, to dirt... Nobody can prove God doesn't exist, but only prove that God does exist. Why..? Because in order to be able to prove God doesn't exist, one would have to be able to check the whole Universe and all the dimensions at once, all there is practically, because if the one couldn't check all there is at once, God could run and hide away so He won't be found. But if that one would be able to check all there is at once, would actually prove the opposite of the intended, would find no god but because being in all places at once is omnipresence, which is a godly trait, he/she would prove to be God himself... But let's get to the simple evidence for creation, implicitly for God, logic, common sense and most of all empirical observation, our personal as also the general and scientific, is that only from something, something comes and only with a cause. But if you, or anybody else, know a exception from this rule, please present it and provide the evidence for. Until you do, creation and implicitly God are proven true. Therefore God is a necesity in order that the Universe exist, that we exist, not to mention that the Universe and Solar System are that finely tuned, that the secular scientists search a refugee in the silly idea of multiverse. Silly firstly because not even a grain of sand comes from nothing, let alone an Universe, but a infinity of Universes??? The insanity knows no borders when it comes to deny what's inconvenient for some... And also to not mention biogenesis, life arriving only from life, no exception known, therefore no abiogenesis. But that is only part of the evidence for God, for yes, along with a sheer amount of scientific data evidence for creation l may provide, there is also visual and even witnessable evidence for God of the Bible, multiple pieces of. If you are sincerely interested, although it doesn't seem so, since you revealed yourself to be biased and not think deeply but use a claim without support, then l will provide to you evidence. Make your choice, evidence for creation or for God of the Bible or both. Until then God and His creation of the Universe are proven true.

[@paulrichards6894]

@@robertdumicz7309 how can you get a moral god from the bible??....if you go by his morals you would be the biggest psycho on the planet??

[@robertdumicz7309]

@@paulrichards6894 As God has His Kingdom and there's also hell, no, God doesn't kill, God only change earlier the location of some people. God gave, God has the right to take it back, by His rightfulness and judgement, the same the earthly law givers take lives by their own judgement, even if they didn't created the people they kill and even if their judgement is arbitrary, subjective, often times biased and sometimes even wrong. What everyone has to do is thankfulness for all the gifts recieved, earthly life included, no matter if long or cut short. Perhaps by changing the location of someone from Earth, the one is spared from more pain or from further doing evil or even from hell and is forgiven and received in God's Kingdom. In such case the one is eternaly greatful to God for what God did for him, ever thought about this posibility..? Do we realy know isn't that so, do we know God's ways, rightfulness, justice, wisdom and mercy..? And since we don't, why then blindly accuse since the ways of God aren't known to us..? Are we rightful to speak against God, being ourselves in ignorance what His knowledge and ways concernes..?

[@robertdumicz7309]

@@paulrichards6894 Yes, After God created us and gave His only begotten Son to die for our mistakes and sins so we may inherit eternal life in God´s love and happiness, some expect also that God fix all the mistakes people do by saving them from the disasters they brought themselves in, in order to live a few more years, at most a few decades more on Earth... The deniers harbour the worst ingratitude ever existed, for the gifts they received, their lives and even the sacrifice of God´s beloved Son, for the love God has for us, in order to inherit His eternal Kingdom in love and happiness. They misjudge, reject and deny The One they should love more than anyone else, more than parents, more than children, more than all, for God is the source of all, children, parents, brothers and sisters, all are created by God, our heavenly Father ! But to no avail, therefore they condemn themselves by denying and acusing The Source of themselves. Have they repayed to their Creator, all the gifts they received..? No, nobody can ever repay, (what we can do is thankfulness and obeying His commandments) If l´d be to define the young generation one word would sufice: Entitlement... -I want tit so, l want tat the other way..! -But son, you´re a grown up man, you have choices and the responsability of your choices... -Whoa whoa whoa l don´t like it ! All they know is ask for more and judge... Here we have the freedom to chose but a finite life, afterwards we get a infinite life but no freedom, so two posibilities, whether yielded to the Holy Spirit of God and happy everafter or the opposite of it.

[@anaruiz6036]

Hitchens never boring. The world lost a great, logical, free thinking man.

[@drmontague6475]

I was a creationist, believed that there was an intelligent designer. I had a wet fart whilst walking around a shopping mall. I became a militant atheist.

[@nohandlemebruh]

@@drmontague6475 all it takes is one wet fart to see we aren't designed, and if we are designed, we definitely shouldn't worship the engineer

[@robertdumicz7309]

@@nohandlemebruh We brought death and decay beginning with Adam&Eve with our disobedience, issue which is still an issue today.

[@nohandlemebruh]

@@robertdumicz7309 so we brought wet farts into the world, and that's why we owe a pedo in a dress 10% of our wages. Got it.

[@robertdumicz7309]

@@nohandlemebruh What your pope is doing isn't my concern. I don't belong to his institution which seem to be fallen from Christ.

[@atheistcomments]

I really would have liked to see the audience's reaction as Hitchens gave his opener.

[@newwayofthinking...2301]

Logic Rules, miss you Mr Hitchens.

[@robertedwards909]

As always very logical self-contradictory

[@neilreinhardt556]

IF YOU A FACEBOOK PERSON, PLEASE FRIEND ME -- THANK YOU

[@2fast2block]

He gave nothing to miss. Your Hitch is dead then will be judged by God, shamed, then thrown into the lake of fire to be now more, just as you fools are heading. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. ---"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”--- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only fools follow Hitchens.

[@2fast2block]

@Rick York dingbat, as you love wasting your pathetic life away, do copy and paste anything that somehow proved what I wrote is incorrect. As if.

[@luke-sq9fc]

@@2fast2block I do wonder if Jesus was in fact a real person and or god. Just what he would think of his supposed “followers” of these modern times. The bible portrays Jesus as being all about love, forgiveness, peace and loving your enemy . What would he have to say to you about the words you use towards others and the thoughts in your head? I myself see a blinding contradiction between his teachings and your effort or lack there of to adhere to them. You are a fraudster to your own religion.

[@danielbeller3245]

I think I would like to suggest that in some way what I would want to say is this: my answer, which again I would like to suggest is that I am Alister McGrath.

[@davidhill8968]

I have seen a lot of Christopher Hitchens debates. To my way of thinking He has never been out done. He could tear his opponent down with knowledge, experience and an eloquence with a good bit of humor that put him in a Class by Himself. I wish he was still with us I would love to hear what else he had to say.

[@Truth17John17]

Christopher Hitchens final words: "Dear God in Heaven, I've made a terrible mistake!"

[@brianclaggett9746]

@@Truth17John17 idiot. Use your brain. Evolution gave you one.

[@luisrodriguezvera5935]

i ve been watching this kind of debates for sometime now. And I have always seen the same thing: How different their attitudes are! Christians seem to love atheists, but atheists seem to be really wrathful, in almost all cases! Isnt that telling?

[@paullever2085]

Thank you again Christopher, for your wisdom of honest conversation not clouded by impulse and non evidencial claims...

[@Luke-kj1rj]

Its such a shame hitchens died at a young age, what a man

[@lynettekomidar2819]

Very sad indeed

[@pfflyer3381]

Be glad we had him.and will always be out there.

[@papachis9535]

The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long.

[@EdwardHowton]

@@papachis9535 He also burned a lot of cigarettes and also his own liver with all the booze, which was pretty stupid. But then, he probably thought much the same way I do: what matters is quality of life, not quantity. Still, you wish he would never have picked up the filthy habits so we could still have him around today. He would've cut through all the bullshit like a scalpel tied to a sledgehammer. It's important to remember not to turn the guy into a saint. That's more the style of the fuckwits that got Hitchslapped.

[@jeremybumpermanpub7144]

Yep. Contrary to his views on religiosity and the human condition, I do think he’ll live forever. But, yeah it is really sad. Pseudo-intellectuals have scurried for high places. He really was a true intellectual.

[@libbah]

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS WON THIS DEBATE BY FAR. CHRIS YOU ARE THE TRUTH MY BROTHER.

[@smasher.338]

All the other guy had was word salad. He never directly addressed the points, he just danced around them.

[@jeffwells1255]

Please show him the courtesy of calling him Christopher, as he has always requested. He just might be looking down on you with disapproval, you know...

[@wonderbread1975]

Yes, the resurrection is historical... I mean have you seen the HD Camera that filmed it?

[@colmweldon3079]

@Kali Southpaw he was clearly making a joke

[@lyndonbauer1703]

@Lenor Gewissen because he's a solution in search of a problem. The individual is struggling with cognitive dissonance and is only seeking information to re-affirm their worldview and soothe his damaged ego.

[@2fast2block]

@@lyndonbauer1703 "The individual is struggling with cognitive dissonance and is only seeking information to re-affirm their worldview and soothe his damaged ego." Says the dumbass who can't come up with research to counter what was given. Your bluff is called and you show what a wimp you are.

[@dillybean9959]

@Lenor Gewissen I believe some of these thumpers think this counts as evangelizing... Probably trying to offset some guilt from finishing with some "other" videos!

[@dillybean9959]

@@2fast2block hey, dumbass, nobody has to come up with evidence to prove that a something never happened. That's kind of the nature of evidence. If something never happened, there exists no evidence for it. The burden of proof is upon the claimant.

[@Nothingprince]

Hitchens beautifully touches up on what the Greeks knew and what Freud codified: The father figure, savior who we must worship and never question

[@MaiiOrduna]

33:40 'Can you imagine God saying "Go and do violence to someone?"' I don't have to, I can just read it to you.

[@colleyhillary5032]

Yes, in too many verses. That's why humans will destroy the Abrahamic god and perhaps start all over again.

[@colleyhillary5032]

@Brad Watson Tell me more about this god that has evolved. Where is the scientific proof ?

[@colleyhillary5032]

@Brad Watson Surely a god could find a direct way to speak to me, to all of us in our language. Watson , here you are ONLY trying to interpret some 'code' . We might as well also interpret for ourselves. Our guess is as good as yours.

[@2fast2block]

Maii, since you got past the first verse of the bible, do tell how creation happened without God. Try not to make me laugh too hard.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@2fast2block Maybe it wasn't that god? Can you do better than this.

[@victoriagolmehdi8506]

"The suspiciously terse" and most "recent introduction". How I wish that there were more of these debates.

[@Richard-hv5hh]

"The family values of Henry V111"...."The chinless Dauphin"..." a celestial North Korea"..."half a chromosome from a chimpanzee".." Mr Jefferson tear down that wall"..." No childs behind left"... He was wonderful in debate and I guess the fact that he repeated himself was unavoidable. I did think some of his jokes were not very funny but I was a huge fan and emailed him when he was ill just to fulfill my need to say how much I appreciated him tegatdless of whether it reached him.

[@shawnhierlihy3690]

This proponent of Christianity couldn't convince me to go to bed if I was tired let alone buy into his preposterous philosophy.

[@richardverrall534]

Indeed. Talk about "white noise".Just opaque verbiage devoid of any real meaning.

[@peppaz]

Not a single clue as to what the hell McGrath was talking about the whole time

[@2fast2block]

@@richardverrall534 gee, you passed my comment right up. Very wimpy of your dumb ass.

[@igotstoknow2]

Okay. God is obviously not preventing you from choosing to live to ensure your trashed eternity.

[@brianlaroche8856]

The old "magi" delutional conmen or charlatan priests in cohoots with the psycho gang kings or armies or tribal gangs of the era in time, pedaled this ideas to any minion that happen to stay alive (usualy girls) after the slaughter by force and death, now they are viewed as religions of peace, the truth the light the righ way.....and receive billions in donations and squeeze trillions out of taxation to live like in a conman's wet deram as a human Leach.... unreal horror comics

[@ritamariekelley4077]

Above all, Christopher Hitchens displayed kindness and a passionate caring for others. He prioritized justice. He was profoundly moral. That he criticized religion was merely his exercise of rationality and logic. I miss him. I wish his voice was not silenced. He was a strong force for good. I couldn't believe how McGrath missed entirely the main premise of Hitchens' philosophy: We should be doing the right thing because it's right, just, fair and decent without the threat of eternal suffering.

[@Cynthia-eu7yu]

You're very realistic and intelligent. Thank you

[@laughingman9574]

Let me join and thank you both.

[@allenquartermane6134]

I have found over the years seeing so many debates with Hitch in it, that anyone attempting to do so with him is akin to bringing a knife to a gunfight!

[@no-oneman.4140]

Well said. Each and every one of them was truly blown away.

[@mysticwine]

@@no-oneman.4140 I will debate anyone, anywhere and I will prove the existence of The Absolute. No knife no gunfight. Any takers?

[@PickledShark]

The great tragedy that is the loss of Hitch from our public discourse is remedied slightly by the immortality granted to him in his writings and speech, preserved now in this great age of technology we live in. Despite never meeting him, nor even knowing of him while he lived, he has nonetheless become the most influential figure in my life. I wish that I could thank him in person, but since I cannot, I’ll do the next best thing, and follow his example, or failing that, greet him with a smile in hell.

[@robertdumicz7309]

What a naive thought, feeling the worst pain, nevertheless being able to smile... It doesn't work that way and is the worst bet to ever make. For some imperfect and not that fulyfing sinful pleasures which end pretty quick, to sell the even slightly and remotely hope for eternal love and perfect happiness in an environement beyond imaginable and any description, is the worst deal one can make, and a irreversible one. Therefore think about it twice or more.

[@PickledShark]

@@robertdumicz7309 I do believe the first comma in your response aught to have been a colon.

[@robertdumicz7309]

@@PickledShark Let the comma where it is, for it fulfils its purpose quite well.

[@marclawson2536]

Stop right where you are and do not look into his behavior during the W. Bush administration: only disappointment awaits.

[@ejohnson7095]

@@robertdumicz7309 thought about it...twice or more. I'd truly rather burn in eternal torment than spend one second in 'heaven' with the ignorant likes of you and those like you. I'm sure it would be immensely more painful to endure and I welcome the flames.

[@claudecasalini913]

Hitchins is brilliant, but what is best about him is his fearless and unquestionable honesty

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Title asks a big Question that is like a Puzzle. It can only be answered by watching multiple or even many Atheist-Channel, as this is the One Religion-Coverage in Existence that doesnt try to drag-you-into-something or sell-you-something.

[@garciadany6759]

How is it that this is so relevant 15 years later?

[@lightbeing8174]

watch the devil and father amorth trailer. That is a real exorcism being documented in real time.

[@sanjios]

Alister doesn't reply to any of the arguments, but smears them and his answer until they became unintelligible. He says something like "Now I will address this question, by answering it and disputing what ever you just said, and the second point I will just make that someone somewhere said about this." Hitchens just says everything so clear, without doubt what he is saying and every argument is so logical.

[@stylis666]

Hahaha! That is so wonderful to read! I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that and now instead of hurting my head trying to explain it I can just acknowledge your explanation. I have to say though, I'm not just amused with but also very glad that he debunks his own arguments. That makes our job a lot easier :) And it gives me reason to hope that a little honesty would possibly solve all of religion. People are very capable of debunking their own bullshit; it's just a matter of time until they notice that they already did.

[@studio-flash]

Critical thinking v theology.

[@2fast2block]

@@studio-flash dingbats vs God, no chance. Your Hitch is dead then will be judged by God, shamed, then thrown into the lake of fire to be now more, just as you fools are heading. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. ---"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”--- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only fools follow Hitchens.

[@grabka1984]

@@2fast2block hahah so you just copy paste this idiotic comment everywhere? You're pathetic

[@sanjios]

@@2fast2block You are as stupid as stupid gets. Exactly proof how religion manipulates idiots into thinking they are smart and know more then others. You know about science as your dog, but as long as you keep on feeding him, he will be happy and he will lick your hand. I see no difference between you two.

[@jackhartford521]

Hitchens is always wonderful. And the gentleman that describes the cartoon to Christopher Hitchens in the beginning, makes me think that’s exactly how religion got started thousands of years ago.

[@pauthianmuanghangshing9348]

Hitchen has no future i feel pity on him.

[@Halluci44]

Hitch was a great communicator. Its a common theme for him to address the audience and make us laugh.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Did you ever ask yourself why some people are born crippled in a refugee camp and others in Beverly Hills? It is because the one born crippled maybe raped his daughter or tortured people in some prison. Reincarnation allows life to make sense, nothing else can.

[@thatsjohnnyt6480]

@@jeffforsythe9514 for fuck sake Jeff

[@paulgemme6056]

Hebrews 11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. ...

[@tracyavent-costanza346]

those who claimed that Ronald Reagan was a "great communicator" obviously never heard of Hitchens.

[@alicelynn7647]

On the topic of obligations. My thoughts are that obligations are a creation of a society and community. Which is why we see different social obligations in different communities and societies around the world. There is no true obligation we have outside of wanting to live with orher humans, just a want to be a good person that helps the community we are a part of thrive. To do what we believe is good for the betterment of the community, and that judgment of good v.s bad comes from a variety of factors in a given community.

[@dolfuny]

I love how hitchens speaked! I also might just be super dumb but does it ever feel like they don't answer questions asked? I might just misunderstanding things though

Could've put the damn ad in the middle of the theists dribble, interrupting the Hitch is blasphemy.

[@Ban_Usury_Worldwide]

That's right, when you don't have a God to worship you worship other men, aka 'the state'.

[@stevebrindle1724]

Get a free ad blocker using Mozilla firefox as a home page, I did this on my home computer 4 yrs ago and have not had a single ad on you tube or on anything else.

[@andrewruddy962]

Exceptional, thank you Christopher.

[@ttrestle]

The very last statement, by the Christian is the exact point that Christopher Hitchens was trying to make. A humble Christian, who is really not that humble and a Christian saying that you don’t have to accept this very special knowledge, but in reality, you really do as you’re being threatened to accept it. I can’t believe it got so much applause, but I understand that it’s hard to deprogram religious cultists.