Berlinski on Jordan Peterson | Dr. David Berlinski

[@zvonkom]

I have admired Dr. Berlinski for his courage to stand up for what he thinks is the truth long before J. Peterson became well known. Agree or not, but that's what a real man has to do. Maybe the audience was smaller, but the act was no less courageous and valuable.

[@karinjohnstone1653]

Well said!

[@mcmanustony]

What courage exactly? He's a failed academic with bills to pay. He makes a grubby living on the right wing Christian fundamentalist circuit in the US where he entertains ignorant science deniers with his lies and repugnant sneering. Where does the courage come in exactly?

[@charlesspringer4709]

Excellent. I had David Berlinsky as a professor of the Philosophy of Science and visited his office several times. I learned a lot then and I always enjoy his discussions. His book, On Systems Analysis, put me on the alert for bad science, and this is certainly the age for it.

[@xavierayayaell546]

My view, as an opinionated outsider to the scientific establishment, is that it has now been hijacked in the same way religion has been over time - rewritten to fit an agenda, but with even more force given the way funding for research works. It's self-defeating.

[@aide-toietlecieltaidera3724]

​@@xavierayayaell546check out Bacon or Comte. It was literally the goal to create a scientific priesthood which would not be questioned.

[@DartNoobo]

@@aide-toietlecieltaidera3724 this is not what science says!

[@mcmanustony]

@@xavierayayaell546 This is just cliched drivel. Hijacked by whom? What has been rewritten? Science progresses...what replaces science is better science. Berlinski is not and never has been a scientists, merely a pompous fraud. Is he one of the victims or perpetrators? Do you have ANY idea what you're babbling about?

[@jimoneverything621]

And I took a course in deductive logic from DB, about the same time, at the same university. Like you, he provided me with a foundation to discern good science from present day nihilism masquerading as science.

[@johnritter5951]

Fifty years ago, before I headed in the academic direction, I spent ten years as a sheet metal worker, mostly on big construction jobs, but also a good amount of time in the shop doing layout work. As a front-end baby boomer, that gave me a wonderful opportunity to work with the WW2 generation--most of the men being war veterans. To a man they would have been utterly befuddled to hear that someone had gained a world-wider reputation because he believed that there is truth and falsehood, right and wrong, good and bad...and that it took courage for him to say so in the college environment. They would have employed the f-word in a variety of creative ways to describe the absurdity of such a scenario, and avowed how they'd always said that college was for pointy heads. They're all gone now--have been for some time--and I'll follow them before too long. But I must say, looking back with my doctorate, they had more right in their thinking that most people today. Truth to tell, we are not faring well without them...are we.

[@mcmanustony]

How does any of that have any bearing on lying, sneering failed academic Berlinski?

[@johnritter5951]

@@mcmanustony Do I detect just a bit of animus? ... just a spot, perhaps?

[@wesearnest5936]

@John Anderson, please get Jordan Peterson and David Berlinski together for a conversation. It would be incredible!

[@michaelhourigan2599]

Absolutely

[@lifewasgiventous1614]

Yeah that works be exciting.

[@toddhall7438]

YES!

[@boom2435682]

Can't wait for it. .😃😃

[@dieselheart1]

Yup. I would relish that.

[@cjwangchong]

That ending was killer! Good job to whoever edited and to the two gentlemen involved

[@tobetrayafriend]

Berlinski = international treasure

[@livetwice7702]

Jordan Peterson and John Anderson are my go to people in this insane world , thank you very much , as long as there are good men + women that are prepared to speak out , we have hope .

[@brianmoran1196]

Also Victor Davis Hanson, Heather MacDonald, Thomas Sowell, Peter Robinson, Peter Hitchens ,Douglas Murray

[@niguel4438]

Yes and Niall Ferguson

[@willboudreau1187]

Yes on all the above, NO on Niall. Read up on Niall and you won't be so enthralled by him.

[@brianmoran1196]

@@willboudreau1187 I have read a lot on Niall Ferguson. I do not know why you would not have him on a list of good teachers.

[@niguel4438]

@@willboudreau1187 explain

[@emerstone]

Three cheers to David Berlinski & Jordan Peterson, two intellectual giants. It's also heartwarming to see Dr.Berlinski still uses an old push-button phone. It made me think of the red bat phone on the Batman TV show.

[@thanksfernuthin]

That is an excellent question. Why is there only one? I can imagine there was a time when universities throughout the West had dozens of professors teaching most of the same things. Those are colleges I would have loved to go to. All I can see on campuses now is a cesspit.

[@ferenzpushkash]

David Berlinski is a wonderful scholar - if you are not familiar with his work look up some of his interviews. Fascinating thinker.

[@mcmanustony]

"David Berlinski is a wonderful scholar"- his actual contribution to original scholarship was a two page paper on WVO Quine FIFTY ODD YEARS AGO. He lies about being a mathematician- having contributed precisely nothing to the entirety of that subject and feigns expertise in several others where he is nothing but a pompous, pig ignorant buffoon. His academic career was an utter disaster with him being repeatedly fired from low level temp teaching assistant jobs- and his books are all out of print. He does have one talent- convincing gullible conservatives that he's an intellectual.

[@ladyfaye8248]

Jordon's audience is wider than you may think. I am an elder who is an avid follower. I do learn from the work, though I also find it greatly reassuring and joyful to hear Jordon say things which I already felt, perceived, intuited, if not already learned for sure.

[@spruceb9281]

This sadly reminded me of what Malcolm Muggeridge said. That '.... in the end man would educate himself into imbecility'. Great to see David Berlinski is alive and well, and as sharp as ever.

[@302indian]

So much enjoyed Malcolm Muggeridge’s memoirs.

[@302indian]

I wonder what Muggeridge would think of Peterson and Berlinski. He certainly would have shredded Dawkins.

[@302indian]

“Tragic for men to give up the patriarchy but now we have to live with the consequences”

[@elektrotehnik94]

Not sure what he meant by that, but it could be interpreted in a very bad way, IMO

[@starwarsroo2448]

Because that system good or bad worked, and everyone had and played a specific role

[@Lucas_Jeffrey]

@@starwarsroo2448 and the consequences of giving it up, instead of improving upon it, will make themselves obvious in the decades to come

[@starwarsroo2448]

@@Lucas_Jeffrey you think we have decades of all this to come??? Every world power collapsed because of the breakdown of the family unit

[@michaelhourigan2599]

Anyone know where he said more about this topic ?

[@graemeromans9374]

There is only one because our education system teaches distrust of the Western canon. No great culture can survive if those entrusted to tell its story hold its great lessons in contempt.

[@annsheridan12]

Like the socialists as George Orwell observed,” it’s not that they love the poor but rather that they hate the rich”

[@raphmcafee]

Needed a better mic

[@kaylenehousego8929]

As ever, thank you John thank you David.

[@brianwilke592]

Keep plugging away, Mr. Anderson. I hope you are right about the young people in the colleges of your country. Hope that is the case in the US; there is some evidence, but I have my doubts.

[@b.alexanderjohnstone9774]

I am just reading David Berlinski's book ripping on the scientific pretensions of atheism and it's brilliant and funny and highly informative for a non-scientific person. It's so much better than I expected and highly entertaining. Strongly recommend.

[@vincentrusso4332]

Its on the way...can't wait to punish it.

[@JacksonTaylorandTheSinners]

I have a bunch of David Berlinski’s books including his latest. Just as sharp as always.

[@benjaminandersson2572]

2:32; Can´t find

[@Ensignpeak]

Can anyone link to the essay that he cites from Dostoevsky?

[@donotshowmyname9547]

Berlinski is a cooler and braver Peterson we didnt deserve.

[@mcmanustony]

what's brave about lying and sneering at your betters?

[@marcleysens7716]

What an indictment on our society, the question why there aren't more who care and why aren't there more who are willing to take a firm stand. On the patriarchy: I'd love to hear Jordan and David discuss their respective stances. I think David would be surprised to conclude that they agree more than not. Jordan's position on the effect of the patriarchy is more a current economic one as well as the biological male and female general dominant traits that underpin in it.

[@jeannienickel7]

Thank-you for sharing.

[@TheKbthakur]

That's the first time i have seen berlinski give a virtual interview. Now that we have seen he is open to do so, JBP should not Waste any time any time and immediately invite him to the podcast.

[@shaamilthattayil]

Couldn't agree more.

[@fandude7]

Horrible sound quality. I can't understand some important words Berlinski us saying.

[@mcmanustony]

Berlinski often uses words he doesn’t understand.

[@gekmcg]

Love David Belinski

[@cmojo68]

Tough guys are a dime a dozen, so too, are show ponies. Very, very few, are brave and true!

[@patriciapalmer1377]

Crazy about Berlinski, disagree on occasion, I was unfamiliar with Mr.. Anderson. What a nice surprise.

[@markcredit6086]

like you are smart enough to disagree with him wake up

[@exeter1588]

I would pay good money to attend a conversation between Mr. Berlinski and Jordan Peterson.

[@mcmanustony]

Why?

[@machtnichtsseimann]

As one a bit older than the demographic the good professor assumes is the majority of Jordan's audience, what Peterson has offered me is a profound mix of psychology, philosophy, theology, politics, that I haven't received to this extent from the Church. His intellect + compassion + politeness + assertiveness + boldness also is very appealing to me as an American man. He strikes me as quite fair, balanced, yet not simplistically ending up with an Equality of Outcome. I've referred to him with friends as my surrogate pastor for many reasons already listed. God's Peace, Revelation, Truth and Grace to him and his family.

[@cloud1stclass372]

Man, what I wouldn’t give to see a conversation between Berlinski and Jordan Peterson.

[@arundarcy]

I was smiling the whole time of this clip. This is great!

[@cynthiao.543]

John, so glad to see David Berlinski….he’s been away for a while….just love him….please have him and Jordan on together somehow…..someone has GOT to do that….maybe you, maybe eric metaxas…..somebody please!!,

[@2FollowHim777]

He doesn't waffle.

[@eamonnleonard9162]

The reason there is only one, is because people have a tendency to follow to appoint a leader, and follow that leader, instead of becoming leaders themselves. In other words they leave all the heavy lifting to one person. People think they need to be rescued from the world around them, when in fact they only need rescueing from their own thinking.

[@jvt_redbaronspeaks4831]

The ever entertaining, always insightful David Berlinski.

[@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution]

I love listening to Dr. Berlinski and Jordan Peterson two of the greatest minds today like Noam Chomsky, Steven Meyer, John Knox, Sam Harris and others. It's always great listening to people who know what they are talking about.

[@markcredit6086]

really you put noam and sam in there what are you smoking

[@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution]

@@markcredit6086 I like intellectual debate and understanding at all levels of understanding. Even infants, atheists and religious people have to learn at a level they can understand. But yes I do agree with you that Sam and Noam is the two weakest intellectuals I listed. John Knox, Jordan Peterson, Dr. Berlinski and Steven Meyer are excellent. We need a broader discussion though, as we look for evidence to convince the people with less time or less will to seek truth, and for that reason I think it is necessary to include intellectuals from another though incorrect perspective.

[@mcmanustony]

@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution Good grief.....Berlinski's academic "career" was an utter disaster: a series of low level temp jobs and from almost all, by his own admission, he was fired. His books are all out of print and his peer reviewed publications amount to an insignificant two page note on WVO Quine fifty odd years ago. He lies about being a mathematician- research publications: not a single one- and yet can't talk on the subject without making an utter fool of himself. How did he convince you he was an intellectual? He's a lying, sneering fraud.

[@toddhall7438]

My appreciation for both men, already profound, increases considerably after seeing this.

[@shaunvanwyk4775]

Thank you sir. You are loved.

[@shrunkensimon]

Why is there only one? Probably because the CIAs budget doesn't stretch that far.

[@Drummr88]

Stay out of the lead paint.

[@curlykipper]

Lets just remember that meat and salt alone does not comprise a well balanced diet!

[@markcredit6086]

you know nothing about it silly girl

[@georgem5589]

Peterson and Berlinski are the same in that they never give speak on anything they haven't thought through completely, exhaustively, resulting in a bulwark of true ideals. Love Peterson, can't express in what high esteem I hold Berlinski. He's a standout, fearless, honest, experienced, and enjoys a happy private life at the same time.

[@BugMateo]

But David, you have... long before other folks, in topics that are much more complex... with humor and absolute decisiveness... thank you, bud!

[@mcmanustony]

what subjects? evolution? His ignorance would embarrass a child. Mathematics? He's an absolute poseur. What subjects are you talking about?

[@BugMateo]

​@mcmanustony we are all poseurs, I guess... look at you, for example, giving the impression of authority...

[@mcmanustony]

@@BugMateo your failure to answer my simple question is noted

[@castelodeossos3947]

'I don't agree with him about everything, that's for sure. For example, I think he's dead wrong about the X' (3:47). Cannot catch X. Anyone?

[@harrybarber4391]

Authenticity - stands out

[@JohnDoe-lc2tr]

Hoping to see Dr. Berlinski and Dr. Peterson on a discussion.

[@larrydugan1441]

How come there is only one? What a damning question about cowardice rampant in the modern university.

[@LynnColorado]

Great question: How come there's only one? Although I would add Dennis Prager.

[@mcmanustony]

Dennis Prager is a pompous fool with a fake university. I guess Berlinski with his fake mathematics doctorate and his fake "post doctoral scholarship" fits right in.

[@janaenae1338]

💖💖💖💖🌹💖💖💖💖💖

[@wilmerwalton5089]

I'm heartened by your support for nationalism and it's ethics. Hail to victory, onward Christian soldiers.

[@Sal3600]

Not just Christians in this army, brother.

[@wilmerwalton5089]

@@Sal3600 I agree it's not just Christians: ```Nazi practices pioneered by Catholics included the forced wearing of yellow markers, ghettoization, confiscation of Jewish property, and bans on intermarriage with Christians.``` Gott mit uns.

[@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY]

Can't Dr. Berlinski make a clear and explicit statement on Jordan Peterson???

[@johnholmes912]

I just hope that my medical doctor hasn't had the same education that we are giving our young undergraduates

[@mcmanustony]

why?

[@mcmanustony]

How familiar are you with what's required of medicine graduates? You seem profoundly ignorant.

[@trankt54155]

Berlinski should debate Chris Hitchens.....

[@RoninofRamen]

Should?! How!? Hitchens has been dead for over a decade!! Although, point of fact, he did: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3O9iaSpeJ1siLs

[@holyorderofcruciferi]

He did. It was an awesome debate. Love both of 'em!

[@sanjosemike3137]

Dr. Berlinski's fond wish: "How come there is only ONE Jordan Peterson?" Well, Dr. Berlinski, you stood up too! Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@mcmanustony]

What is Berlinski's field of expertise?

[@holyorderofcruciferi]

​@@mcmanustony Mathematics and Molecular Biology. His doctorate is in philosophy of Mathematics and his postdoctoral was in Molecular Biology. He is actually incredibly intelligent but still humorous.

[@mcmanustony]

@@holyorderofcruciferi wrong. PhD on Wittgenstein The “post doc” was exposed as nonsense. He declared it “self styled”- or a LIE as we say in the clean world. I’ve heard him once attempt to talk about advanced mathematics. It was a comedic train wreck of pretentious tripe and pompous ignorance.

[@mcmanustony]

@@holyorderofcruciferi hope that helps

[@mcmanustony]

@@holyorderofcruciferi no response? What branch of mathematics does he work in? Any idea where we might find some of his “research” in molecular biology? After all he was a post doc. Post docs are hired for a year minimum- and hired to extend their doctoral research. How do you extend a thesis on Wittgenstein to the field of molecular biology? Might it be you’ve been taken in by a lying poseur?

[@OmarBarends]

I love Dr David Berlinski . I love those whom he loves and those who love him .I pray that ALLAH declares HIS love for him.

[@kensmith8152]

Unfortunately, Jordan Peterson and David Berlinski are getting up in age. I encourage the next generation to step into the breach! I’m grateful for Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh et al. We need to keep those that propagate the social lies on one foot and bring back common sense and dignity

[@mcmanustony]

How do you class Berlinski's lie about his "PhD" in mathematics?

[@108padma]

Peterson is only 62!

[@carltonreese4854]

I think Berlinsky and Peterson probably agree on the patriarchy more than Berlinsky posits here. I think what Peterson rails against is mainly a tyrannical patriarchy as opposed to a simple patriarchy which Peterson may to a degree accept exists, or existed.

[@fromgreetings]

Old farts talking about the "gruel of empathy".

[@militaryandemergencyservic3286]

What Peterson says about the Bible is not very interesting - and not at all revelatory. For that - see Zac Poonen on yt.

[@haasklaw764]

Wow. Even David Berlinski has been tricked into believing JBP nonsense. I guess it is not too strange as Peterson himself mostly embraces a secular Jewish agnosticism. Unlike Peterson though, Berlinski is of much higher intelligence and one would have expected more from him.

[@marcleysens7716]

Your comment about both men and their positions gives away your ignorance and assumptions. By the Berlinski has always been, as his parents were, a secular jew. I also find the word tricked, very amusing. Berlinski's response on Peterson was sound and accurate. Although he disagrees on Jordan's position on the patriarchy.

[@haasklaw764]

@@marcleysens7716 In response to many questions about his positions, Mr. Berlinski himself states hê is a secular Jew and explains the positions and assumptions that comes with it. He literally opened his book, Human Nature, saying that about himself. And yes, that fact about leaves him open for deception from others who are trying to trick him. Jordan Peterson is a mentally ill liar and con man and has been caught many times. His 'positions' are very much Jewish, and this is why i think Mr. Berlinski could not see past them. One only need mention to Mr. Berlinski the views Jordan Peterson has about evolution and he will realize Peterson is both a liar and a complete idiot.

[@markcredit6086]

wow smoke another bowl

[@haasklaw764]

@@markcredit6086 I don't smoke, unlike Peterson.

[@slooob23]

You obviously regard yourself as superior to both men, so I await your emergence on the intellectual world stage with great anticipation

[@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe]

Well said. [It's still a lower level of intellect when one says, "I don't agree with everything he says," because people don't agree with everything they say themselves. It's a given.]

[@annsheridan12]

The academy is clearly a fifth column.

[@mattdugas]

To me, Jordon seems to be, A Man Of Sun. 01+

[@salehkhan2534]

Enter daily wire 😂😂😂

[@302indian]

Peterson sometimes makes some very wise utterances but later will say something that indicates that he didn’t understand the wisdom of his own words.

[@canadiankewldude]

*_Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men._* *_KJB_* *_God Bless_*

[@stuartwilliams-fw4vo]

Anderson is completely out of his depth with Berlinsky.

[@mcmanustony]

Right wing politician interviews right wing failed academic. What depth? Berlinski poses as a mathematician. He is not an never has been a mathematician. He has contributed absolutely nothing to our knowledge of any branch of any science at any time. Where do people get this notion that he's a globe straddling intellectual colossus? He's a pretentious fraud...

[@vsevolodsemenov8498]

Jordan Peterson is not a person to whom I can trust. He makes unapologetic statements like any other opinion is wrong.

[@darrenstarling3975]

I find that with Dawkins, not so much with Peterson. Interesting

[@Jack2200]

I think you got things upside down, or you are playing the "mirroring" game. Peterson speaks against unscientific dogmatism of the woke. It's in the woke world that all other opinions are deemed wrong and people get cancelled.

[@cmojo68]

I'm pretty sure, neither of them, are expressing anyone else's opinion. That duty, rests with each and every one of us. There is a hideous tide sweeping the world at the moment, insisting that everyone feel responsible for other people's opinions. A social degradation, from which can come, no good. Dawkins and Peterson, seem to be leading by example ...how about you?

[@vsevolodsemenov8498]

@@Jack2200 Let’s ask two simple questions: are all people Christians, are all people religious? If I say no, Jordan Peterson most likely would say - they (people) better be. This is the only one simplified example.

[@Jack2200]

@@vsevolodsemenov8498 I'm not "religious" at all but I do agree that some people find strength and wisdom in ancient myths. I think that JP following in Jung's steps searches for such a source deep in our unconscious. It doesn't bother me. I think it's interesting. I have never felt "harassed" by JP's opinions on the role of mythology and you shouldn't either. If you are a true seeker, you know that your path can only be your own. If you search for a "guru" in life, one day you will be terribly disappointed. Use those other seekers as lanterns illuminating the darkness, not as streetcars you jump on to arrive at your destination. You will feel less "abused" by their opinions, if they stray from your intuition, and more in control of your own destiny. Peterson would approve of that.

[@jamesmorrow1646]

Does any else find it strange that when Jordan Peterson was “cleaning his room” he didn’t notice all the empty benzodiazepine bottles?

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Better than the soiled tissues and stains of suspect origin all around your domicile.

[@BanjoSick]

He does not think he is following his path perfectly, he just tries to find the way.

[@Jack2200]

He trusted his doctors. He learned his lesson so that you can be a smarter person.

[@TimBitts649]

*Mini-debate on the Patriarchy:* ...from a comment on a Jordan Peterson video on apes, with Richard Wrangham. Me: Patriarchy is obviously an adaptation of biology. Very natural. Anya Wale: It is the opposite of biology and totally unnatural. This is why you have never heard of Father Nature. Me: All human societies are a genetic deal between men and women. Humans are naturally gynocentric, like all mammals. Meaning: Women and children are the center of life in humans. But Camille Paglia the feminist once said: "If it were up to women, we'd still be living in grass huts." By this she meant the male role is supportive to the female, men compete for women, protect women and children. Nature is feminine because nature is life and reproduction. But if there is no social role for men, there is no incentive for men to cooperate in women's survival. That's the root of Patriarchy. But, I rely on evidence: For about 200,000 years, there have been many tens of thousands of tribes, cultures, of all races and religions. Of all those human variations, 99.99% of the time, the society was basically Patriarchal, or some version of it. That's what survives. Only twice were societies Matriarchal, in my memory. Matriarchy is a failure. The delusion feminists have is that it is some sort of oppressive thing to women. It can be, but it should not be. In fact it's the opposite, or should be. Catch up to reality. The Bible understood this thousands of years ago. Genesis 3:16 Me: I predict our culture will collapse, as we gave up on Patriarchy.

[@oioi9372]

Naah....Berlinski is far more intelligent than Peterson, and far more sophisticated orator and much more immersed into real philosophy as opposed to Peterson who is a public amuser. I mean if you read and listen to how Berlinski reasons and approaches topics, it is obvious we're dealing with far more serious thinker than Peterson can ever be. Now, it clear that Belinski is impressed with reaction Peterson gets, and the fact Peterson rose to the fame by attacking some radical changes of modern society, and protecting Christian tradition. I completely disagree that Peterson is anything more than relatively amusing clown who dabbles in confusing, foggy waters, and appears, to the uneducated masses as a serious thinker