'The End of World Order' | Prof. John Gray

[@onetwo5155]

This was a fascinating perspective on what is actually an ideological mindset. So many assumptions, so many things taken as granted... It fascinates me how detached from reality such people are. Anyone who cared to see and has even an inkling of realpolitics could have seen this event coming. Anyone who has any idea of US external policy. But honestly, the hubris here left me stunned...

[@Minchya]

You should apply for office, the world needs people like you !

[@MrMarcol29]

He lost me at climate change.

[@biteme8905]

University-educated, middle-class, know-it-all who does not believe that Russia should defend itself against encroaching western imperialism, Hardly unique.

[@kennyainsworth9394]

This is why the west is where it is

[@RUfrikkinkiddinME]

Except for Mearsheimer, they all are trying to attribute everything to Putin's secret psychological state rather than the reasons he says and has been saying for years.

[@alman-world]

The key issue..... The Russian View is not the Western View. No judgement, no determination, it's just different. And therefore we need to start to understand it better.

[@captainchokdee1039]

Bravo

[@seastorm1979]

russia is the only European country not touched by the Renaissance or Enlightenment.

[@alman-world]

@@seastorm1979 please define cultural enlightenment

[@trevorbayfield4006]

Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear. The biggest failure is the underestimation of Putin and the insanity of Biden.

[@mikelundrigan2285]

You would prefer a egotistical greedy Trump who only wants to become the US dictator then?

[@quietackshon]

Putin and Xi were both members of the WEF young leaders programme. If you don't know this, then don't speak about Putin, it makes you sound like an uniformed person, suffering from the Dunning -Kruger effect. Has anyone heard Klaus denounce Putin of Xi?

[@vinlago]

Don't hold your breath waiting for the gentlemen to step outside their confirmation bias bubble.

[@biteme8905]

If you don't know Putin is, was, and always will be Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti at his heart and preceding the W.E.F, then you don't know anything about him and his motivations. Also, the Dunning-Kruger effect would not apply to the drivel you just wrote. You are not an intellectual and probably a prime example of those you would denounce. 🤫 shhhhh

[@mrustle5707]

@@biteme8905 I think he just pointed out that Putin used to be part of the system that sees him now as some sort of (quasi-)irrational actor. You reduce him to three letters. He was a member of KGB, that tells you everything you need to know about the person, right? :) That's the same way my plumber thinks. But at least he doesn't pass judgments on anybody being an "intellectual" or not.

[@secretsquirrel6718]

I don't think that past involvement in the WEF matters much now. For instance. I used to be in the scouts.

[@karyne826]

Boris Johnson too

[@secretsquirrel6718]

Instead of worrying so much about Putin. Try thinking about what is pushing him to make these aggressive moves.

[@SeraphimGoose]

That would require the West to become self-aware, and that is something we simply cannot do.

[@kitburns1665]

NATO - he keeps saying that but no one is listening. Also see UKRAINE ON FIRE by Oliver Stone.

[@kitburns1665]

Also watch/stream the documentary A VERY HEAVY AGENDA. All of it. Good insights to the world today.

[@MeeuwsenWorld]

The climate problem? Give me a break. Proof reading as well as writing is vital.

[@steveselwood1659]

Exactly

[@fatamorgana909]

I admire Gray, but he is far too attached to conventional narratives about what is happening in the contemporary world. He probably thinks globalism is a conspiracy theory.

[@alman-world]

It isn't a conspiracy theory, is worse as it's real.

[@jeffberlin4179]

Why would Gray have any problem with globalism ? He's on the payroll. Lol.

[@azhivago2296]

LOL that's like implying people have claimed 'water' is a conspiracy theory - no one has ever denied 'globalism' or 'globalization' LOL. Statespeople, universities, and legal institutions all over the world have embraced globalisation and have never denied or hidden anything about it. Total strawman.

[@fatamorgana909]

@@azhivago2296 The term 'globalism', commonly used to refer to the idea of establishing a world government, is often dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

[@azhivago2296]

@@fatamorgana909 There is a vital difference between 'global governance' and 'global government'. I promise you only a tiny more-or-less insignificant number of people think that a 'global government' is remotely possible to achieve in a state system like the one we're in. 'Global governance', on the other hand, is a perfectly sensible and mainstream idea - certainly not a conspiracy theory.

[@halfdan_f]

this guy obviously watches the BBC and CNN, i mean, can he really be that naive?

[@carlhedemann4603]

I don't think Putin is an 'irrational actor'. For some reason the history from 2014 is never examined in these talks. These talks always seem to come from the premise that the West is morally right and the other side is not. We will never get a deeper understanding of where the world could move to if we stick to this cold war mindset.

[@mithrandirthegrey7644]

To me the fundamental issue is the cowardice and incompetence of the European leadership. They should have told the Americans to stay out of Ukraine and signed a deal with Russia on Ukrainian neutrality.

[@psgrenier]

A philosopher should be the first to realize where he is ignorant. Grey knows very little, clearly, about geopolitics and Russia.

[@kurisensei]

There's a reason he's talking and you're not

[@Antipodean33]

I think the professor is wrong about Ukraine and Russia's military capabilities there. If Putin took the USA's tactic of bombing everything like they did in Iraq, where civilian infrastructure was deliberately targeted, also not caring about collateral damage, as the US clearly didn't, if Putin used the US model of that type of invasion, this war would be all but done by now. The Prof seems to under estimate Russia's capabilities

[@riseabove3133]

Admire Zelinsky? No. Absolutely not.

[@vijithellepola9392]

NICE UNREALISTIC POLITICAL MILITARY ANALYSIS

[@geralldus]

Faced with uncertainty about the future, leaders sometimes attempting to create a realty based upon a fictional notion of past glory and power. Although this is reactionary and doomed to failure, it can have great popular appeal in providing direction and as a beacon of hope in an otherwise hopeless situation.

[@gavinfoley103]

I like John's books but this analysis is surprisingly shallow and based on no research at all. Factual errors on chemical attacks, number of nuclear weapons, standards of forces, conventional weapons technology. Frankly, John should stay out of this argument until he does a lot more reading.

[@alexdavis1541]

What? The international order may not be full of "rational actors...with similar values"? The bounders! Implicit with this comment is that we in the west are the rational actors, while everyone else is somehow slipping away from the programme. No, we in the west are the ones who have behaving irrationally. And we have been doing so since at least the end of world war two. We do this simply by imagining everyone else is so interested in our value system they can't wait to get on board. Others, like Putin, know that the only thing our value system has really got going for it is its seductiveness, since it delivers material wealth. In just about everything else it is bankrupt. The other failing of the west is its failure to heed today what it once understood without question - that rivals are rivals. This failure has lead to every western country just giving itself away to its rivals, in more ways than one. The Romans used a term that forced every warning of failure to be heeded - "Woe to the vanquished". We ignore this.

[@sylviam6535]

Agree. The West has been descending into idiocy in the last few years.

[@marcthompson9281]

Why do we have 'governments', but people 'we' don't like, have 'regimes'??

[@gudni9984]

Professor puking out a wordsallad. An intellectual, laying out his world view based on head line reading of western news sites. 1 out of 10

[@sylviam6535]

Yes, he was rather unimpressive.

[@secretsquirrel6718]

The United States should worry about things closer to its own border.

[@barriejackson3294]

In a world which rejects philosophical debate, your "Conversations" John, are like water in the desert, with their power to stimulate real change in world thinking.

[@tonyprice9525]

Why tie where the minerals are to ethnicity in the local area? Rather supports the view that the war is really about breaking up the Russian Federation wirh a view to then strong-arming a much smaller country to let you control its resources.

[@DominicFlynn]

OMFG.. Russia has "military priests", but the UK has chaplains

[@Antipodean33]

I think many have concerns about civilian nuclear energy for one main reason accidents. Fukashima, along with Chernobyl and 3 Mile Island come to mind. I still can't comprehend how the Japanese could build a nuclear power plant right on the shore line of a country that is earth quake and Tsunami central of the world. That alone doesn't give me any faith that the powers that be are very bright

[@hatidjesabri7326]

Is there a longer version of this?

[@kurisensei]

Yes, there is

[@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland]

The closer Putin is driven in a corner, losing the battlefront overweight in Ukraine and Kazakstan driving away from the Russian order, the nuclear option could become a real option as the West doesn't seem to have an answer or are we repaired to directly hit Moskou back?

[@gaelforceoreilly3148]

Social stuff - you're good! But stay off the War analysis - you're not able! This guy has too much establishment conditioning or worse a deliberate diversion .. its a bad look to be taking him seriously!

[@peterclark6290]

Our environment needs CO² and at levels well above 180ppm (Patrick Moore, above surface life will no longer be viable, photosynthesis collapses). CO² does not have a linear impact on any warming, its is logarithmic, therefore finite. H²O is still the major driver behind insolation capture¹. Nuclear has a balanced contribution (with a guarantee of human failure) - but we will still need liquid, portable, high-density fuels or we will have to build grids to every corner of the globe. We can make coal already at a nett profit in high-pressure, high-heat HTC facilities (some waste treatment plants are 153% efficient) so creating long-chain oils and fuels (involving oceanic byproducts) under similar expedient methods is the future. When the 'Science' behind AGW is exposed for its political, crusader, greed and ego origins the money to be made from truly synthetic fuels (made from scratch) will be enormous. ¹ Peak human stupidity will be when globally dehumidifying the planet is proposed by some nut job.

[@TimBitts649]

The "Russian World" 🌍is a real thing. Geography is the key, not well understood by intellectuals nowadays. There are exceptions: Thinker Peter Zheihan writes about the influence of geography on history and economics. Very smart man. Russian rivers flow north. Into the Arctic Ocean. Not east-west. Russia have very limited ocean access for trade, due to it's river problem. One Russian ocean trade access, is via the Black Sea. Obama knew this, knew Odessa was not vital American interest, but critical to Russia, so Obama smartly didn't fight over it. Our current leaders are being dolts: If rivers flowed east-west in Europe, history would have been different. Russia would be closer culturally integrated into Europe, naturally. But that didn't happen. Peter the Great realized this. He built St. Petersburg to try to shift Russia into European integration, knew she was isolated from European mainstream, due to geography.

[@kynismos]

A lot of hearsay and speculation

[@TheNoodfood]

Not much coming out of the Ukraine/Russia theatre recently

[@yesduncanoverseas]

People 'wanted life over death? Avoid catastrophe for their country?' Really? Wow! How profound!

[@chrishewitt1165]

Indonesia is contracting Thorcon to build thorium reactors

[@aquious953]

Never supported "globalism"... turns out I was right, if looking at the absolute state of my city is any measure.

[@Cdarlosfletch58]

I find John a enigma in so many ways , he’s right on one level ? But totally wrong on so many levels , Americans / England have used depleted uranium weapons in the Middle East and nato used them in Yugoslavia ! His view is very lopsided and Israel has its army priests who bless the soldiers before battle !

[@survivetheattack]

Good analysis. Thanks!

[@williamtyndale1402]

If the west had stuck to the Minsk accord the would no Ukraine conflict

[@Djordj69]

Russia had good information on Ukraine before war .

[@everythingisupsidedown9593]

Blah blah blah, blah blah, blah and blah

[@Hereward47]

Gray is literally talking out of his arse here.

[@rapscallion9333]

Pretty sure it's Barry Humphries.🤔

[@Hereward47]

@@rapscallion9333 hahahaha

[@Djordj69]

Ukraine never had nuclear weapons .The Soviet Union did.

[@JeffSBoro]

This guy is so out of touch. He seems to listen to the BBC.

[@555Trout]

Neoliberal babbling.

[@jamesgibson2179]

Gray has no idea of what’s going on at all. Just a conventional narrative. Yesterday’s man.

[@jimbocho660]

He was insightful and original once. Now he sounds like an American shill.

[@johnmajewski1065]

Important learned insight assessment of today's western world perspective and Russia's.

[@Brannigan777]

This pile of woefully uninformed dung makes me seriously re-evaluate both Anderson and his program. I previously had quite a bit of respect for both. Live and learn.

[@dylanjohnston1869]

What a deluded conversation. This man is describing a world scenario that he has completely made up in his head. Can he explain why Putin arrested Vladislav surkov. Why Putin’s generals were getting picked off one by one in the field. Why not discuss germany, belt and road, WEF, BIRC.

[@DrChatNuffs]

D E L U D E D..........

[@mariannefournier1679]

Wow this individual has lost the thread, as some say. Secure in his OPINION. Perhaps he should read and listen to some individuals more versed in geopolitics such as John Mearsheimer. An Israeli article opining the Russian Orthodox Church has supplanted the KGB is corny at best. Mr Anderson your praise of Zelenski is uninformed.

[@Happyheretic2308]

Not “everyone” admires Zelenskkkkyyyy.

[@hubbelizer8412]

Careful... They might call you antisemitic

[@Happyheretic2308]

@@hubbelizer8412 sticks and stones …

[@captainchokdee1039]

I think the Professor is a little out of touch in the new world. Regarding Ukraine, watch the next 3 weeks.

[@sylviam6535]

I felt that he was rather banal.

[@karinmaryturner]

When is Christian culture going to come back to following Christ?

[@secretsquirrel6718]

The Saudis already have nukes.

[@rogeralsop3479]

Excellent interview.

[@Newoak]

Textbook propoganda

[@Djordj69]

extremely disappointing interview .

[@sylviam6535]

Yeah. Every cliché put forward by the media in one interview. One example: those ‘badly supplied’ troops are firing off 20,000 artillery pieces a day.

[@andrewsimons3837]

Dissapointing

[@Finn-yd3iw]

Waste of time

[@marcthompson9281]

2 simple minded men......Or con men?

[@wetguavass]

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