Bernard-Henri Lévy vs. Aleksandr Dugin at the Nexus Symposium 2019

Excerpt from the Nexus Symposium 2019, 'The Magic Mountain Revisited'. Check out video's from the entire event on our website: nexus-instituut.nl/en/activit....
To celebrate our 25th anniversary, the Nexus Symposium 2019 revolved around the themes and music from The Magic Mountain. As if Settembrini and Naptha were alive today, Bernard-Henri Lévy and Aleksandr Dugin debated on stage as defenders of the Enlightenment and counter-Enlightenment.

[@timcook816]

I’m a lifelong liberal trying to hold on to what is good and pure about liberalism, but Mr Lévy’s arguments, far too typical of the unchecked arrogance and projection to which current liberal thought has sunk, really puts me to the test. It was tough listening.

[@xanatax1844]

Dugin has a really interesting relationship with, “the truth.” This is how he gets the reputation for being Rasputin. He’s clearly intelligent, and very well read, and speaks a bunch of languages. He talks philosophy, theology, mythology … then tells us “truth” is subjective. He wins by having a grand *mythology*, not based on facts, right? It’s so hard to debate … do we take the bait, and compare our mythology to his? 😳 Or can we compare data? Do liberal or illiberal societies make people happier, do people live longer, with a higher standard of living? 🤷‍♀️

[@xanatax1844]

Heh … I’m a fan of *humans* getting “right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness” … but we could be a bit more illiberal with Corporations. I don’t mind if they get regulated a bit, or pay some taxes.

[@JohnSmith-ib1ky]

Being a Liberal today is like being a Fundamentalist Christian 200 years ago. Arrogant, self righteous, proselytising, judgmental, condemning and excommunicating (cancelling). The next phase of intellectual evolution of a Liberal is to become a Post-modernist, when they become humbled by the contradictions and inconsistencies of the Liberal school.

[@XanarchistBlogspot]

@@xanatax1844 there is more to life than standard of living there is having a culture that strives for excellence in cultural expression. Lowest common denominator comfort is the world view of Nietzsche's last man.

[@Swamp-Bat]

@@XanarchistBlogspot liberals already made a movie about their end game it’s called WALL-E

[@vasiliykholodin9028]

Levi does not hear references to his own book to which Dugin refers, or simply does not want to talk about it with him, always leading the philosophical discourse into a primitive political populist channel. It seems that Dugin was very disappointed with the way his opponent thought, because he came to discuss ideas and concepts, and Levi reduced everything to repressions, totalitarianism and bad Russians.

[@waterman121]

I'm not sure I agree with this framing, although I have issues with both debaters in this event. Dugin likes to stay in the realm of the abstract in order to justify a certain perspective about the west. This perspective (built on the concept of "traditionalism", which can mean many things) in turn self-justifies the use of force in Ukraine, both in 2014 and in 2022. I think Lévy's question about the concrete expansionist actions of Russia are difficult for Dugin to answer sincerely. To me, it's clear that Dugin wants a world without the noise of civil society (epitomized by the Maidan in Ukraine), but in my view, that kind of world is basically just the waiting room before a totalitarian government seizes power.

[@user-db5rk7ml6z]

Time puts everything in its place. And in 2023 it becomes clearer to us why Levy left refined philosophy and moved to facts. Philosophy is not abstract chatter. Her faithfulness or unfaithfulness is confirmed by life.

[@hbzach]

Quite revealing how M. Lévy quickly changes the subject when confronted about Libya, where he was the prime cheerleader in the NATO intervention to supress Gaddafi and his leadership in African development and independence from the remnants of French economic hegemony, in particular in West Africa. Throughout the debate M. Lévy, who extolls enlightened "European values", consistently avoids any discussion of European imperialism and its roots.

[@renatomorais8136]

I'm glad the moderator told us they respect each other or I would have interpreted the immediate personal attack by Levy as an immediate personal attack.

[@JustifiedMusicOfficial]

It's amazing how in the second half of the debate Levi attacks Dugin with questions but don't let him finish the answers, interrupting with new accusations.

[@youdontseeanoldmanhavinatw4904]

Dugin had plenty of time to speak. They both did. Just because Dugin essentially lost this debate doesn't mean you need to be salty about it

[@JustifiedMusicOfficial]

I don't see either of them winning here.

[@GR-sc3ph]

…ultimately it demonstrates how insecure Levi is through he employment of ‘attack’ strategy instead of sharing knowledge

[@Alvaround]

55:27 Levy: who controls the media? Readers and journalists. 😂😂😂

[@odb1612]

no they don‘t

[@crackpot1206]

@@odb1612You're a market socialist lol

[@mexuscentral]

Defending corporate-own media and repeating debunked propaganda lowered the philosophical debate into cheap politics.

[@siloton]

you consider state owned media better than corporate owned?

[@d.d.6045]

and that Levy's fault! he obviously had no arguments and had to resort to propaganda! Plus he kept on interrupting the other one, pity there is no vomiting emoticon here!

[@mexuscentral]

@@siloton People sould have access to public, corporate and independent media both. Corporate monopolies are undemocratic, i.e only 5 billionaires own all media.

[@mahguvnah7403]

@@siloton Yes.

[@VoloBonja]

@@d.d.6045 Dugin is propagandist and fascist, with ideas like there is no Ukraine, they are just russians and somehow by mistake created their own country of Ukraine. Fuck Dugin, he supports genocide. What exactly is propaganda from Levy? Examples from this debate?

[@MoiLiberty]

With the assassination of Dugins daughter via car bomb, where Dugin was the supposed target, the introduction seems to be a dark foreshadowing of events.

[@rickmortt8546]

his daughter was the target, they were living in her apartment, spying on her movements and planted bomb when she was giving a speech on an event.

[@hectortorres9316]

More like a warning

[@baltukur3368]

Dugin won

[@onsidelegal1002]

Levy is an affiliate (if not member) of the WEF.

[@notexactlyrocketscience]

WEF is great, just like NATO. whats the problem?

[@horacioelconserjeopina3956]

​@@notexactlyrocketscience bro, go eat your McDonald's bug burger and watch gay p*rn

[@simonglass1371]

Levy perfectly embodies Dugin's issue with western thought; Throughout, Levy positions himself as though his purpose is to correct Dugin instead of simply providing his positive vision. Levy's best argument is that Westernism is seeking the best in other cultures and reinventing itself based on new concepts (not sure this is actually true in today's culture), he may have been pleasantly surprised that Dugin agreed with some positive concepts. Unfortunately neither he, nor the audience will know, because Levy insisted on brow beating.

[@robtherub]

"Critical thinking" i hate it, it seems to mean, "thinking like a critic", i watched your show and now here is me sneering at it. Critics are the lowest form of literature.

[@ebrelus7687]

Commercial, wondering culture is always spread like archipelago and encounters different cultures on daily basis. But it's focused on matching new products with new clients rather than any cultural value. Even alphabet was spread by Phoenicians because of it's utility in bookkeeping and administration not for cultural or religious reasons. So it's just a side effect. Only with centralisation & growing scale of systems it gained new meanings. Like political: Venetian state leveraging trade routes as channels for collecting intel, using wealth and knowledge of foreign internal conditions to predict and shape wars or to gain allies to balance islamic expansion. Now it become not only using lucky or convenient conditions but actually artificially seed conflicts and manage them to own gain. Like GB consciously leaving fkd border conditions, splitting ethnic territories to keep a self perpetuating conflicts and mediate there keeping old influence. Or creating revolutions, coupes worldwide like communists just with more commercial methods through shaping culture & infosphere, owning global entertainment, socialmedia, creation of new high-tech global monopolies, even funding manipulation of viruses for already prepared genetic therapies sale... Nazis couldn't predict how sea culture is able to commercialise every existing military innovation. The only thing they can't sell is true national ethnic, unique cultural bond, ethics and cautious evolutionary progress. Cancer can take any needed shape & strategy depending on type of cells or organs it wasn't to feed with. But the moment you cut if from sugar & oxygen-deprived fermentation conditions it dies. If you know mechanics you can fortify. If not you don't even notice when only your bare bones are left. It's also like with a poisonous snake. If you are weak it sneakily attacks. If its threatened it attacks and adapts mechanics to do it efficiently next time again. But usually if it knows strong enemy comes it moves from way because it's inherently cunning but cowardly, fragile and unable to consume the whole host. If identified as enemy is eradicated before any conditions for higher ground advantage are created. It's only that heartland has always problems to unite on big spaces & see the full bigger picture to understand current challenges. Also removing traditional routes for culture creation, flow of information created one global interconnected sea without isolated land masses (except natural language & civilization borders). The continuous blending starts making world suffocatingly compressed and agoraphobic. People beg to be become part of something organic & authentic.

[@ebrelus7687]

@@robtherub Yup. because it looks for holes in everything not any constructive synthesis or fresh thought to ponder on. It's literally looking for rot in everything and interpreting everything as containing rot. Sadomasochistic vampirical exercise. World loves idea of black hole so much it tries to create it in themselves. Negation & exclusion is a good at start to narrow scope of what we are looking for but pushed to far excludes everything with potential before it gets ripe & gives fruits. That's why AI will he so liberating despite what people think. As long as access to it will be democratised.

[@Strickerist]

Levy is no equal to Dugin morally, intellectually or philosophically.

[@thefruitofuscolonialism5870]

Mr. Levy comes across in this debate as pretty arrogant and self-righteous: the embodiment of the collective west.

[@jturon9184]

Why does Henry-Levin always interrupt Dugin, railroading the points Dugin tries to express?

[@manbearcannon1250]

Thank you to the Nexus Instituut for providing this debate of ideas. This is something we in humanity can never have enough of.

[@atlanticist4763]

"The NYT is an honest attempt by professionals to find the truth" hahahahahaha

[@XanarchistBlogspot]

Levi's big lie of soft western totalataranism in a nutshell.

[@carlosmoreira8835]

Now do Russian media

[@notexactlyrocketscience]

@@XanarchistBlogspot get over it ivan. enjoy the new tanks btw.

[@paulrussell1207]

It's very flawed, but have you seen what is coming out of Russia? It's not a sophisticated plurality of philosophical debate exactly. Maybe because they have the same national mythological core they all think exactly what the Kremlin thinks, that must be it.

[@Rene-uz3eb]

I respect Levi's compassionate defense, but he's pulling a lot of low punches while Dugin doesn't even flinch, but tries to make the most of this opportunity to share ideas.

[@youdontseeanoldmanhavinatw4904]

He's right in every one of those punches though.

[@lovenature1919]

@@youdontseeanoldmanhavinatw4904 eww ur a simp

[@shyman3000]

@@youdontseeanoldmanhavinatw4904 Yeah, but he proves Dugin's arguments with every punch.

[@bensanderson7144]

No he isn’t. Levi thinks democracy is an end in itself. But democracy has no content. Hitler was elected democratically. Dugin is saying that Russia, China, the Islamic world, and all civilizations, have their own unique systems, and western civilization is but one of many

[@ninoslavmalekovic8196]

@@youdontseeanoldmanhavinatw4904 No, he is not. The rule of minority against majority is not democracy. It's oligarchy, because the latter is defined as a form of power structure in which power rests with a small number of people. Only an idiot would accept to be ruled by a minority. This form of power structure leads to societal fragmentation, because you can always find a minority whose attempt to seize power can be endorsed in one way or another.

[@smartecho3766]

Two man struggling with English and still tried hard to have a conversation👏👏👏👏

[@rogerlephoque3661]

What we hear are two gentlemen, one Russian, the other French, who speak heavily-accented English but, far from "struggling" with the language, they both have an outstanding command of it. Perhaps you'd like to borrow my hearing aid?

[@pinpinlelapin4473]

Two MEN... are you struggling?

[@odb1612]

mind blowing how litte substance this entire conversation contains

[@andreybelousov1605]

I may be biased here but I do sense a strong flair of fanaticism in the way Mr. Levy's defends his ideas or attacks Mr. Dugin's.

[@JohmScriv]

Levy seems agitated, arrogant and aggressive, while Dugan appears calm, comfortable and composed.

[@iankclark]

@@seroverlord5776 spoken like a true sophistic snob. Levi carries the arrogance and conceit of the dominant power unaware that the ground of his ‘truth’ is eroding underneath his feet.

[@juezmoral58]

@@seroverlord5776 As a Mexican I can see a Patriotic Russian and a socialist french...a snob one. We call them "izquierda caviar"

[@CraigTalbert]

I think that's just how Franophones often sound to Anglophone ears (no disrespect to the French, I'm not sure why it is).

[@rezzob]

Dugin vs Levy is basically the analogue of eastern leaders vs western leaders

[@therealignotus7549]

Between the sane and the insane

[@ebrelus7687]

Winner's hubris vs conquered humility, realism. But let the sides shuffle. That's when the real fun begins.

[@anaislefaucheux554]

"Who controls the media? Readers and journalists." 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡

[@daniabdallah9695]

That was pure humor for me 😂

[@juezmoral58]

Politics

[@milansavic2803]

Impression you have after watchin' this very good debate, is that Dugin is have to explain and defend himself all the time, and Levi (who also has point in many issues) is attacking and gives very judgemental statement like "you are wrong etc.", not like Dugin.

[@nikola2georgiev]

The fact that Dugin isn’t attacking doesn’t mean he is right.

[@VoloBonja]

@@jaysee4024 what exactly was dishonest? Give examples? Dugin starts talk with fall if west and great russia as collectivist thing. Where this russian collectivism brought them now?

[@Sclaveni]

@@nikola2georgiev He’s right 100%. Your name says you are Slav. What is there that you don’t like about Dugin trying to preserve Slavism?

[@mohamedsalimbouchaib8565]

​@@nikola2georgiev Dugin : That so much exaggerations and rhetoric figure that I am not inclined to answer not because I have no answer"

[@filipesugden1982]

@@VoloBonja man RUssia is a civilization at their own, an orthodox civilization hat survive millenia, what those words "what collectivism brought them now" ahah neoliberal

[@Srbce87]

Lévy: International law? I do not remember, you defended that principal for Yugoslavia in the 1990s. Marš!

[@workingproleinc.676]

Tako Brate!

[@xkumanekox]

Levy sounds just like any other educated liberal I usually see; smug, ignorant, and pretty reactionary. He makes the right wing Dugin sound more logical and precise throughout this entire debate.

[@jimimycricket2128]

Watching what's happening in the world, I got to say... dugin destroy Henri arguments... Henri said about West stooped slavery, but he forgot to say that was a Christian Idea.

[@robertcarpenter8077]

Dugin strikes me as one concerned to work on problems, to work toward difficult truths. Levy strikes me as a polemicist, someone concerned to show he is the one with the 'correct' view, that his task is to educate his partner in debate, to get him to understand and admit his 'error'.

[@warrenhalpin]

Levi looks like something out of the Hunger Games

[@torsion7214]

'Readers and journalists control the media' LOL

[@MrBoazhorribilis]

The ultimate irony here ( maybe lost on some of my American compatriots , due to our insularity) is that a religious Russian speaking communalist and a French speaking extreme individualist, are debating their convictions in Amsterdam in the Netherlands using the English language.

[@aabhasrai303]

I don't think language represent much, the main reason is accesiblity.

[@juezmoral58]

A globalist stupidity?

[@ebrelus7687]

Both from Indoeuropean stock using another Indoeuropean language... what's ironic in that... The only irony here is that Latin old Lingua franka survived well preserved in new Lingua franka. If not for Anglo-germanic primacy & imperial complexes screwing up things around us Europe would speak Interlingua now. Even Eastern Europe had once Latin speaking elite (polish-lithuanian commonwealth) and Austrohungary had possibility to make German a lingua franka but Prussianism fkg things up with its racist xenophobic concepts of Germanic Rome and servitude for all others. Similar way English Langed globalist empire screwed up cultural integration of Malay superregion/archipelago. Maybe similarly russian expansionism burried common ground for Slavic area. Only Latin America became somehow balanced and has some chances, if the local policeman finally retires.

[@cetocoquinto4704]

Its sad to know that today ukraine is the test bed for this 2 idiologies..and all the world is being dragged.

[@mexuscentral]

It's nit about ideologies, but Its about translational global corruption.

[@siloton]

@Ceto Coquinto Its not coz ideologies. Russian regime uses ideology just as an cloak to cover that its about gas revealed on Ukrainian land and around Crimea in last decade.

[@MoiLiberty]

@@mexuscentral one man's corruption is another man's ideology.

[@duanchamp1988]

In my opinion I believe the invasion is just about resources.

[@rk2827]

@@siloton That is what media told you.

[@sjot2006]

Levy is so blind and so arrogant. Dugin's thoughts were very interesting and worth looking into.

[@MoiLiberty]

3:11 because Dugin has tried to avoid battling in the physical world, his daughter was assassinated with a car bomb, which was intended for Dugan. Philosophers are being cancelled in real life in 2022.

[@VoloBonja]

he didn't avoid battling in real life, he said multiple times that he supports killing ukrainians, supports war, supports putins politics of genocide. So, he didn't avoid battle, he just wanted somebody else to do the dirty crimes. Fuck him anyway

[@AlessandroMarcolin]

Actually one could have thought "why are you saying that ? of course we're not actually fighting in the physical world, we're just talking", but as it turns out fighting in the physical world is something that Russia will do quite non-chalantly, so Dugin's strange starting punch, which sounded a bit weird -was to be taken uite literally. Which is all very sinister of course.

[@HoneyGlzedHam]

Dugins "philosophy" lead to the invasion of a sovereign nation. If he has become a target as a result, that's the bed he's made to lay in.

[@workingproleinc.676]

"This is good about westernisation,becose the people,Journalist,can have control" Levi lives in his own la la land

[@CB-so8xd]

It's not about openness to the other but acceptance and mutual respect of the other that should be sought. Dugin was right, the West doesn't sufficiently know the other and even increasingly doesn't know itself.

[@wila1969]

Can you be democratic and tolerant if your contry is plotted by your extern ennemy ? Question for mister Lévy.

[@BeverlySchnett]

if Russia has adopted the concept of an open society it would be strong

[@alecdunn7755]

Dugin is a mature and deep thinker meanwhile Levy sells some air, a hope.

[@kakistocracyusa]

Never have I heard Levy represent a sublime or unique observation - only the most standard and unoriginal cultural interpretations. The most original of his utterances are based on a strictly vague embellishment.

[@jozbluts8868]

International laws? Which one?

[@victoriahawes7118]

Too bad the west doesn't live up to the values that the French guy listed.

[@nikola2georgiev]

Victoria Hawes. You are right, and Russia is even way behind.

[@JohmScriv]

All our standards are double standards.

[@rickkase6438]

Such a shame you judge the west through the collectivist lens. Ironic too. The whole may not but many parts do. And you can choose every day to let the values live on or contribute to their murder and death. We've all got the choice

[@Darkknight-qe5ls]

@@nikola2georgiev No the west are crushing under American colonism

[@JoseLuisLopezB]

Excellent Video!! We ❤TheNexusInstitute

[@robertocalvo934]

Good lord, it took Henry Levi less than ten minutes to talk about the Nazis. Surely a record in the Godwin Olympics. 😅😅

[@mynameismynameis666]

so you think what they did has no effect on your world today? f.e. who advised the US about the russians during the cold war?

[@tragicomix4242]

To be fair, there is true similarities between Douguine vision and some aspects of the nazi movement, like Volkish or the Strasser brothers political ideas.

[@CulturedThugPoster]

Having a tough time defending your position ? call them an anti-semite .. easy wins.

[@VoloBonja]

It took russia with putin less than 20 years to become fascist state, who just want to return Soviet Union and kill all neighbors. This was all done based on Dugin ideas

[@kalmansovari6878]

You obviously sent the last 6 months under a rock- you idiot. Who is gaslighting the world with this absurd denazification rhetoric? It is bolshevik Russia.

[@MichaelKennedy-tr1xc]

Levy sounds like a WEF soundbite. Dugins arguments are refreshing. 2 years on Dugins explanation of Ukraine is very helpful. This western obsession with involving itself completely lacks sense .. Mr Levys own side has destroyed most of his words.by their abuse of Ukraine over the last decade. The US Liberal foreign policy involves military intervention and exploitation.

[@caveman1334]

Dugin goes above and beyond...... Not understood only by those who dont want to😊😊😊

[@mohamedsalimbouchaib8565]

Levi defended the interests of the west. He had the speech of a politician not of a Philosopher. unlike Dugin.

[@xirucio5724]

Nope, the interests of the West are the closest interests applicable to the entire human specie, ex: freedom (see where people tend to migrate). You prolly understand reality in a flawed manner, ex by associating universaly applicable human needs as been invented values by the west, case in which you are stuck in a binary / tribal thinking like Dugin. Not taking the individual as the primary scope of an ideology in the century of free floating information will not work, Dugin is 200 years+ in the past and if the Russia Gov. will continue to advertise his ideeas, the country will simply implode.

[@XanarchistBlogspot]

Mohamed you are right my friend it is sad to me as an American that my country is a corrupt empire that is apologized for by propagandists like Levi.

[@user-df5bm4sy7u]

Both use stamps but Dugin is more logical in my opinion.

[@waypastbedtime]

It sometimes feels like we never really got out of the late 1800s.

[@sebastiancovac7879]

theres levels to this... dugin is an actual philosopher while that levy guy is just parroting empty leftist talking points.

[@VoloBonja]

Dugin is definitely not a philosopher, but a propagandist of putin. Name at least one new philosophical idea by Dugin? His latest words are "kill kill kill Ukrainians", is that philosophical position?

[@alhashmy1310]

We Muslims support dugin , well done alexander you understand what's diversity really mean .

[@WattisWatts]

Levy sounds like some silly life coach.

[@Uol777]

The idea that in the western World Libéralism still exist on the grounds of freely exchanging ideas belongs to the past : « plus de salut hors de la pensée unique »

[@djolivierastro]

Can BHL at least stop swinging like a yoyo

[@officialdazer]

Levy just waffled on a load of sentimental and passive aggresive garbage. My first time searching Dugins name and I end up with this, someone clearly very offended and hurt, but I'm still waiting for properly constructed arguments and anything resembling a debate. Dugin just stood there getting attacked most of the time

[@shahinnaini8305]

Bernad-Henery needs to go back to class room ,he doesn’t know what is happening to the world today .I wish he learns a little and listen more to Mr Dugin .

[@VoloBonja]

So, what happens in the world? War in Ukraine that russia started and which Dugin supports. He recently said "kill kill kill" (ukrainians).

[@Xestra37490]

Thank you 🙏🏼 for helping us to think. I appreciate both. It’s not who hold your ideology with its just purely intellectual wealth this two great men sharing with us. I just love both Thank You 🙏🏼

[@carolevachon2575]

loll

[@d.d.6045]

not sure I can agree - Levy was like a propagandist, not a thinker! he certainly did not inspire me to think!

[@rauldelvillar374]

Poor Dugin, an honest and well-intentioned intellectual articulating a real philosophy but in some ways so naive. He typifies the Russia of his generation which is respectful and open to the 'other' and interacts with it with true sincerity, even as it spits in her face and shanks her in the back. He's not a debater, he shouldn't lower himself to sharing a stage with such a duplicitous snake as Levy and open himself to an endless string of personal insults. Every statement that French popinjay made was a complete inversion of reality yet Dugin didn't call him on it, probably out of good manners. What gall to smear Dugin with his fork-tongue distortions of his writings while literally having been a cheerleader and agitator for barbaric violence in Libya, Syria and Ukraine. Chaos and death are all that Levy has brought to the world, true nihilism.

[@pipelui989]

I have only watched 24 min and I have my first comments: 1. I would love to hear Levy’s comments about the greatness of globalization, the interaction of cultures, import/exports. He sounds like a great sales man: dude globalization is the best way for the lazy rich to dominate other countries/culture to produce cheap and increase their profit. He forgot that this is a short lived state. Once the poor master production techniques, increase their wealth and doesn’t want to play ball on the same terms, the rich is in deep shit. Not only the rich doesn’t know how to produce things, it has shipped all relevant production capacity elsewhere. Look what happened to the production capacity of the US. 2. Now that globalization is coming to an end, levy’s patron (the us) will try to get their production capacity back, by breaking german industry and trying to move companies, know how and qualifies workers to the us. The US needs to bankrupt Germany and it’s making a good work with their Trojan horses( Green Party and weak SPD) 3. Why the global south doesn’t buy this theory that globalization is the panacea?

[@joebowl8315]

Good points

[@olegc.7877]

>levy’s patron (the US) His loyalty is obviously belongs to Israel and Israel owns the US

[@americanka555]

Dugin - full respect!!!!!

[@pepecherin2341]

No hay cosa Más Falsa Dicha y Puesta en boca de Bernard Henri Lévy que con las que ha Cerrado El Debate y además sin dejar a su Oponente Alexander Dugin La Posibilidad de Replica. ¡ Arriba y Fuerza a La Cuarta Teoria Politica de Alexander Dugin ¡

[@doinadenghel7840]

I just listen very carefully , to you both, I respect you both ! I liked what Dugin sad about bridges not to be built, before understanding the cultures we want to bridge! A good example is the transhumanism, that the west trying so hard to impose on everyone! You can be part of the same country, same religion, same nation, same family and not to agree with that! Can you like an human being not agree with this? The answer is NO, you can’t, because you get in trouble with the officials! Can you say in the west: this is my sun, when the school system is calling him-THEM? No you get in trouble! Sooo I’m always going with what I FEEL RIGHT IN MY HEART, with what I call- moral! THE COMMON SENSE IS STILL ALIVE and WILL ALWAYS BE: ( don’t know how to swim, don’t throw yourself in deep water) FOR ME AT LEAST! Why do I like Dugin more? His non aggressive nature, and his words were just completing my thoughts! I WISH WITH ALL MY HEART, PEACE, PROSPERITY AND HAPPINESS FOR EVERY HUMAN BEING! IF ONE OF US SUFFER, WE ALL FEEL THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE ALL- ONE

[@lenaschamberger506]

Levi here has shown himself as a cheep demagogist, what a shame

[@YannickLaTechnique]

Sophism level 33

[@simpinainteasy680]

Two years old and only three comments??.

[@neovxr]

matrix correction. probably, the old comments would contradict the recycling of this show.

[@nikko1984]

KZbin algorithms changed a lot within the last 2 years. Censorship has become a key feature of this platform.

[@windoftime131]

They are was closed back then, as I can remember. It seems like, they are opened comments only a little time back.

[@jennyhirschowitz1999]

Can barely listen to Levy’s hackneyed ideological rhetoric without the feeling of intellectual nausea…… kudos to Alexandr Dugin for even agreeing to this encounter…….In matters of philosophical thinking, truly Alexandr could be considered a man for all seasons. Wonder if there’s a Dugin/ Chomsky/ Prashad conversation out there?

[@Mr2119rb]

Dugin's call for all-out war on Ukraine reflects his anti-humanitarianism. He is reaping what he has sown.

[@mynameismynameis666]

Levi as just another offensive red herring salesman

[@meshzzizk]

I guarantee Chomsky and Prashad would not associate with a guy who “demands Putin be more authoritarian” and to be a “Russian monarch”

[@miloshojman5473]

Is it so hard to understand that human rights are a good thing for mankind?

[@Texocracy]

@@miloshojman5473 Is it so hard to understand your concept of what is good should not be universalized to the entire planet?

[@andr_sh]

Weird that Levi's word was last. Dugin literally smashed him on every aspect

[@andrewphilip3308]

Does the West recognise international law?

[@nothinggetscrossedout]

This is a fascinating debate.

[@ShahinAmerian]

it's post-modern madness that some body says "I'm against human rights" because it's a western value . it looks like saying "behave me like an animal"

[@hn.313]

لقد كان فيديو قيم جدا شكرا الكساندر

[@andreilukyanov4286]

What did you say, please?

[@youssefdirani]

he said it was a truly valuable video Thanks Alexander 😊

[@amychanin6788]

How do we cite this in Chicago?

[@lolalucas-valjean5731]

I can't believe people are biased here, too….

[@ntpspb]

20:25 probably he hasn't read "Two Hundred Years Together" yet )

[@harryprice3065]

What a boomerang! Oyvey.

[@erikkeereweer1315]

Utopian vs realistic

[@connordavey4422]

French guy; I don’t like your system, why are you doing it. Russian guy; because your system is broken and dying. French guy; I don’t like it. Russian guy; I don’t like yours either.

[@diegommf]

Me parece muy simpático, cómico e interesante, pero también contundente y decidor, que un ruso y un francés se estén comunicando en inglés. :)

[@souhailzine6632]

the Russian guy is better, Levi try with every single comment beginning with attack and tries to make Dugin looks like a child

[@totopolo4486]

Dugin amazing, the other guy is laughable.

[@olgac2930]

Dugin Is the best!

[@beliceernesto]

Mr Levy was more a west cheerleader than a real philosopher. Very naive to idealise the western media, largely discredited.

[@GlobeHackers]

[Both are descendent of the same ancestry, which I'll refer to as Old Russia (but would have been known simply as Russia and Rus.) Neither is older, per se. Now, Russia bears the older name, as the Ukraine switched it's name. Previously, present day Russia was known as Great Russia, and the Ukraine was known as Little Russia. These were terms given by the Greeks, which eventually took root domestically. Think Great Britain and Brittany. Now, eventually the Little in Little Russia became seen as Implying '’less than", and the Great in Great Russia became simply redundant and unnecessary. The oldest known Russian states were Khaganates, but names for these states are not clear. These were followed by a new state, helmed first in Novgorod, then in Kiev. Historians refer to this as Kievan Rus. Transliteration from Old Russian would render Kiev Kiev, tho the pronunciation would be different from modern Russian and Ukrainian both. The people would refer to themselves simply as the Rus, and later stylised this as Russia with the version Russia eventually becoming far more popular. But Rus' is still recognised as an archaic variant. One could argue however, that Moscow's line of descent in power is older. As Moscow has been the principle capital in Eurasian civilisation since circa the Mongol era. Kiev was central before that, but the status of modern Kiev's authority is based on relatively recent history, and was branched off from Moscow in recent times. But, Kiev could also be argued as just fully the older centre in Russian civilisation, if continuity and descent of power and authority is not important. This all depends on the logic used, which for most will be based on what they are aiming at politically, thus being self-fulfilling.] Xuanzi Zerene (Еремей Сенько)

[@andreilukyanov4286]

There was neither Russia 🇷🇺 nor Ukraine 🇺🇦 in the time of Kyevan Rus. Do not look in the past something which did not exist there. IT WAS NOT THERE.

[@starozytnawiarasw.onufrego8727]

Why did you cut Mr Dugin short in the video? Free media?

[@michelbingen7801]

My first commentary has been removed ! In the name of what ?

[@michelbingen7801]

This commentary has been found in a Anthony Sutton’s book ! Why removing this commentary ? I want a answer !

[@meshzzizk]

BHL’s shirt is quite wrinkled

[@MR2SHY]

THESE PEOPLE HAVE BRAINSSS........👍👍👍👍♕♕♕♛♛♛♛👍👍👍👍👍✌✌✌

[@richardmakiya7188]

Why is there so much confusion? Why is so much of the discussion about agreeing on what the words mean? Definitely, I think the problem is that everyone carries an ideological burden on their shoulders that doesn't allow them to see further and they need to accommodate their interpretations. And a key word is the term FASCISM. Fascism is a dictatorship of the business class and that the petty bourgeoisie can become its armed wing when it has no class consciousness. When the dictatorship is exercised by wage earners, IT IS NOT CALLED fascism, but PROLETARIAN DICTATORSHIP. The other word is DEMOCRACY and we must note that when speaking of democracies we must ALWAYS COMPLETE IT by referring to which social class benefits said democracy. That is, if said democracy belongs to slave owners, land owners, or business owners or wage earners. Understanding these, we can realize that today the petty bourgeoisie is the most important social class, not business owners or unionized workers, but a petty bourgeoisie that influences politics, the economy and culture. And the political party that represents it is the Jacobin Left of the French Revolution (not to be confused with the socialists of the salaried workers), and that its democratic expression is the dictatorship of the majority. With the internet it is now possible.

[@riccardodeltorre2493]

No trust, no love, why is it so hard for human beings to live together...

[@twisterwep]

high-calorie content for my mind.

[@bikingviking3984]

Nihilism, why Seinfeld struck such a chord, non???

[@laniakea777]

Ha!

[@bodee591]

Conflict between le monde et Le Figaro. Ils appartiennent à des groupes financiers et les loups ne se mangent pas entre eux. Et il appelle ça la pluralité avec son accent very French.

[@ExxylcrothEagle]

Neither of these guys are saying things they can't say on youtube

[@ebrelus7687]

6:15 I want democracy (how great western democracy looks now... look at huge french protests and the same president, look at German great coalitions, look at last American election and dominion machines counting votes in US and in Venezuela 😁), freedom - freedom from historical identities, atomised, deconstructed and reconstructed into one blend of global no Identity, no uniqueness, no bonding, what would you want such freedom for when you get censored, forbidden to get your vote visible and counted, your space invaded by foreign global politics, transhumanism, corpocitizenship. Freedom to move anywhere in world where everything starts resembling one unitarian thing you never voted to shape like this. In such world you start missing old nationalist enemies & struggles for survival. Because you at least had something real, organic, important to safekeep, improve, be proud of, fight for, gift to children & die for if needed leaving an ages lasting heroic poem about yourself & chain of descendants bound with common idea/ideal.

[@leebarry5686]

If a system cannot even respect and protect individuals, how can itdo good for the collective, for all citizens?

[@paulorobertopetersenloreto2060]

Lobo em pele de cordeiro ou é usado como bucha de canhão.

[@laurencewainwright]

Neither national socialism nor fascism are nihilistic in any way. Why did neither of the speakers explain this point?

[@ExxylcrothEagle]

I wanna hear Alekz read from the book of the lawz

[@thomass6757]

America doesn't destabilize? Ask Viktor Yanukovych

[@BeverlySchnett]

i strongly disagree with Mr. Dugin, but to watch him and thinking on the death of his daughter mades me sad

[@MrJameschance]

think of the millions of victims from Russian totalitarism and feel even sadder

[@andrewtate5252]

Think of the fact that he is Putin's inspiration for the war in Ukraine where someone's kid gets killed every day.

[@tubotecnica6472]

@@MrJameschance think of the millions of victims from western totalitarism and feel even sadder lol also fits its all BS

[@Texocracy]

With what do you disagree? Just disagreeing with him in general, is of course merely a moral requisite for any ideological westerner. But is there some substantive disagreement you can articulate?

[@m.4667]

Disappointing debate for at least 3 reasons: 1. It's right win 1 vs. right wing 2, Modern vs. Pre-Modern thinking. No left-wing and/or postmodern thinker. Biased. 2. Dugin's criticism to the West is reasonable in many respects, but his ideological alternative is absolutely scary. Levi's cheap liberalism is preferable, but too cheap and naive (the media belong to their readers and journalists? seriously?). 3. The debate has nothing to do whatsoever with 'The Magic Mountain'. This was cultural clickbaiting.

[@Texocracy]

Scary?? His alternative is not universally scary. It is scary to you. That’s the point. The west can not universalize what they believe to be scary. It is merely one opinion.