Bernardo Kastrup and The Search for Meaning

[@DavidTizzard]

Having just finished reading Bernardo's book More than Allegory, these are my observations. Despite listening to many podcasts when preparing for my conversation with Bernardo, none of them provided as deep an insight as reading one of his books... Like Borges’ Circular Ruins, Asimov’s Last Question, and Weir’s The Egg, Kastrup’s vision suggests that the end is the beginning. Life is always there as potential but only begins when the loop is complete. When, as in the symbol of Ouroboros, the snake eats its own tail. When the Flower of Life completes its circle. But now we are lost in that loop, in constructs of space and time, of culture and narrative; unable to see the full circle. Our present models of reality exile us from transcendence; plunge us into existential despair. Modern mythology is materialist. We count but do not value. We measure but never enjoy. And our ideology creates the world we see around us. Individualism is not just about the rise of the self, it’s about the untangling of reality into a series of unconnected visions. Soon, we begin to mistake the illusion for reality. And yet, by the same token, it is a necessary illusion. For it is only from a position of detached observance that we can understand the wider reality. Only from our individual island of perception can we comprehend, if we dare to look out, that an ocean exists. The ocean cannot be aware of itself without the existence of islands. We therefore give rise to the existence of the ocean by making it aware of its potentiality. So life is about the depth of experience. How deeply we can penetrate our layers of existence, and ultimately ourselves. The world, the mountains, the trees, the birds, and the lakes are all a symbol of something. A book waiting to be read. We require poets, artists, and mystics to provide hermeneutical interpretations and codes for us. Not ones that are literally real, but ones that instead show us a truth beyond. The beginning of creation is happening right now. Our mind isn’t inside our head. Our head is inside our mind. And in the dream of the one that dreamed, the dreamed one can awake.

[@Mr00000111]

It is hard to express in words how the modern world needs Bernardo's ideas. Thanks for sharing your wisdom so accessibly and consistently.

[@DavidTizzard]

Rather than the world, perhaps there are many individuals who, like us, can benefit from Bernardo's ideas. And it's great that many seem to be finding it.

[@phantomhawk01]

I agree

[@ARTNETWORKTV]

In Kabbalah the will (desire) is the basic emotion of humanity as well as living a life of service. This is the ageless wisdom . Bernardo is being of service to nature by expressing the ageless wisdom to modern man.

[@figure8analogy677]

I couldn’t agree more!💫🩵💫!

[@johnelbare8237]

This is real gem. One of the best interviews with Bernardo I’ve seen. Thanks.

[@DavidTizzard]

Thank you, I very much appreciate the kind words. It was actually quite a mental challenge to say little and, instead, focus entirely on what Bernardo was saying and then not only understand it but also provide an appropriate follow-up question that would allow him to explore the ideas more deeply. Of course all credit goes to Bernardo but I am happy to know that the efforts to create the conversation are acknowledged. There is a line in the movie Pulp Fiction that has always stayed with me: "Do you wait to talk? Or do you listen?" I attempted the latter...

[@colquest]

Agree - this one is special

[@DavidTizzard]

@@colquest Thank you for the positive message.

[@jenmdawg]

For years and years I struggled with “self love” on all levels - noting it only came forth with loss of self. Then I realized I can love the LIFE inside of me - the impersonal, universal life all around me. Better yet, I stumbled upon BK and his conceptualization of our Reality saved me from my painful contradictory ideas of materialism v my experience. I wish more people knew what I mean. Thank you for this wonderful interview.

[@DavidTizzard]

So very glad to hear you're doing better now!

[@calculusmetal]

I know exactly what you mean.

[@gloriamartinez3666]

Bernardo has became the voice of my daily existence. I heard every video, podcast, program I can find of him. Each time that I hear what he is trying to “explain” something inside of me not only reverberates but also heals me in such a way that I have never experienced before. Regardless if his ideas are correct or true, at the end it doesnt matter. It is not about having the truth rather than experimenting it which it seems can’t be understood in its entirety or even reducing it to words. The interviewer was also amazing. He had the necessary pace to let the apples blossom, as well.

[@DavidTizzard]

Lovely description of the human experience here. One that recognizes the fact that we are alive and conscious. I know that many people listen and watch Bernardo intently so I was very nervous about how to approach this conversation. Instead of trying to demonstrate my own knowledge or ideas, I decided to just try to understand Bernardo as deeply as I could and ask questions that would make him shine. Not an easy task but I'm glad that you found some value in the efforts. Thank you.

[@janwag6856]

It’s all about the apple blossom. Life is about service. It’s about nature. It’s not about me. Such a profound conversation. Thanks.

[@DavidTizzard]

Beautiful description. Thank you

[@janwag6856]

@@DavidTizzard Your words. ❤️

[@LesliePhillips-x9t]

I’ve listened to many conversations between Bernardo Kastrup and a variety of different people. For some reason, this one was particularly enjoyable. I have listened to it 3 times all the way through.

[@DavidTizzard]

That's marvelous! Thank you for taking the time to share the positivity.

[@_WeDontKnow_]

Agreed! I love when Bernardo is clearly enjoying himself with a unique, passionate interview.

[@noellecuisine8912]

❤ one of the best conversation I’ve heard lately thank you so much for this!!!

[@Metanoia99]

I believe Bernardo has gradually leaned toward non-dual Vedantic ideas. If he hasn't studied Vedanta, it's incredible how these concepts seem so intrinsic to us that, sooner or later, they naturally emerge from within. The way he articulates these ideas for skeptics and those who analyze and reason is truly remarkable.

[@_WeDontKnow_]

It's tough to find a bad Bernardo talk, but you brought a level of passion out of him I've only seen in a couple other interviews! Great work my friend!

[@n2the1]

David, this is wonderful. Your conversation abundantly contributes to the quest to return to the world of meaning and the gaining of a perch on the threshold of entery into a life of service. May your journey continue to shed light on the path of others as we each find our way through the darkness.

[@DavidTizzard]

Thank you for the positivity. All credit here goes to Bernardo. I was merely a conduit for his insight, but still very happy to have played that role and been in such proximity to these ideas.

[@n2the1]

I really appreciate the movie song book recommendations at the end. That was a cool way to conclude the talk. 😊

[@nsc2443]

Awesome. Bernado is one of my key mentors.

[@a13xdunlop]

Good choice of song, she has a beautiful voice, she comes from near my hometown here in Scotland.

[@MountainDharma]

This is the pinnacle of Bernardo’s evolution since he began explaining analytic idealism. His philosophy has evolved to a complete view and way of life.

[@DavidTizzard]

Yes, really happy to have listened to him here. Dude was on fire.

[@jenmdawg]

I’ve been following Kastrup for a year now (how much I wish my late fiancé was still here bc our very relationship was founded on email debates on this topic) and you’ve given us a brilliant interview of this marvelously articulate human. Bravo!

[@behnaz5097]

I have been following Bernardo for years and i have seen so many brilliant interviews, and he is the most fascinating person alive in my mind ,but i have to congratulate you on your absolutely wonderful interview with all those perfect images and your own beautiful characters,this time ,thank you🙏💙

[@DavidTizzard]

Thank you. I tried to take a back seat but, at the same time, remain alive and open. I wanted to learn from Bernardo and, in doing so, I think it produced a beautiful result.

[@tzmythos]

I think that many are made mighty uncomfortable with what Bernard says about our relationship to nature and our purpose because it make most of what society tells us is important and real insignificant. Yet I find it incredibly liberating and also deeply reassuring because it simply makes sense to me. What he says is not new, not at all, but he says it so clearly and convincingly. And I very much appreciate that he speaks so widely about this, to help us wake up.

[@susannaemmerich1166]

Can listen to this interview another 100 times. Thank you!!!🙃🙏💕

[@grahamtrave1709]

For me Bernardo Kastrup has it. The clearest knowing mind of all time.Everything happens in accordance with Cosmic law. Thy will be done, not my will Lord. His concepts are an evolution of the human mind which brings us to a kind of conclusion that the Universe is just one great happening in which we play our part without knowing what part we are playing. Thou art the Doer and Thou art the Experiencer. The Upanishads Thanks

[@youtubecanal]

Great guest, great mind. Top! Thank you for this interview.

[@DavidTizzard]

Great comment, great vibes. Thank you for listening.

[@bhuvana-skandarossi8511]

Thanks!

[@DavidTizzard]

정말 감사합니다~ (thank you so very much)

[@tracedinspace]

Kastrup has such a great grasp on the language around describing the underlying truth, the life. I'd love to hear him comment on the Sapolsky's of the world.

[@DavidTizzard]

Yes, Bernardo's language is beautiful. And even more impressive when one considers he's not doing it in his native tongue. Having spoken to both Kastrup and Sapolsky, I would love for them to be present in the same conversation. I get the feeling that they would respect each other but ultimately disagree with each other's world view....?

[@tracedinspace]

@DavidTizzard Yes, I don't think Sapolsky would be able to accept Kastrup's ideas. Free will is self evident imo because if nature was just a force acting on everything then suffering would be impossible to perceive (which is the "correct" way to live). The response would be that it's our nature (mind's evolutionary adaptation) to suffer and therefore free will is never verifiable, it's all mind games. If the mind/body adapts to outside conditions, then the mind doesn't make the world, the world makes the mind/body. The inversion of this idea *is* the "human experience", the ego based world. But perhaps Sapolsky has a compelling response.

[@BrG-g5g]

Great interview. I found supplemental graphics distracting from content of interview

[@Grief2Growth]

One of the greatest minds of our time. I’ve listened to many interviews with him and even guested him on my show. I love watching where his thinking is going.

[@phantomhawk01]

I agree, I remember your show with Bernardo , it was a good one. 👍🏼

[@omatty]

As a follower of both Kastrup and Korea, I'm happy to see this, yet wondering....if he came to a Korean-focused podcast to talk about "fermentation" and yet never once was Korea or kimchi mentioned, it would be thought weird, because Korea has a deep history with fermentation. Yet, that's kind of what happened here. He came to talk about analytical idealism and never once did anybody mention Korean philosophy and Korean Buddhism in particular, which is rooted very deeply in "mind-only" teachings and practices which are very close cousin to analytical idealism, and more, they have a whole millennia of practicing these teachings. Just in the past 50 years, Beopjeong (Nothing is Possessable!) and Seongcheol (Mind is Buddha!) were very publicly addressing many of the aspects Bernardo is grappling with here, in both theoretical and practical depth. It's a sad testament to how far Korean Buddhism has fallen from our consciousness, that their ancient and innovative teachings of "One Mind" or "Mind only" are now expressed as brand new, rather than as being re-discovered on the margins of Western philosophy with modern empirical rigor. An opportunity missed, alas.

[@DavidTizzard]

While I very much appreciate your concerns, this was a very selfish podcast on my part. There was not the goal to speak about Korea. I just wanted to listen to Bernardo, hear his thoughts, and ask him some questions. I agree with you that much of what he says resonates with ideas of not only Buddhism, but also Taoism and Hinduism. However, Bernardo doesn't really go down that route or explain the world in such a way. That's not his perspective. However, he is aware of them. There are quite a few podcasts out there where he speaks with spiritual thinkers and they explain the concepts of their religion and he outlines his views on idealism. They overlap but the language is different. So, I don't think this conversation is a testament to how far Buddhism has fallen. Buddhism still plays a role and young Koreans have told me about the positive influence it can have on their mental health when stripped of the religious proselytizing (something it thankfully has little of). For a more Korean-centered view of Buddhism, I would recommend my conversations with David Mason, Anton Scholz, and 서늘함 여름밤. We explore the ideas more deeply there. I also plan to continue exploring Buddhism and Shamanism going forward. Thank you for being part of the conversation, however. I hope my comment doesn't come across as too combative. It's not intended to be~~

[@elemental9578]

To experience synchronicity, one has to be receptive to it. The synchronicities I've experienced cannot be explained, but that doesn't matter. One could see them as crossroads between the self and a wider actuality.

[@spiralsun1]

This is a completely awesome comment, thank you!!! And you should know I have a history with synchronicity 😊 I invented a methodology for studying it, which Gary Schwartz used in “Supersynchronicity” his book on it. My book uses synchronicity as just that. A “lens” to see a universal and primary force at work -my first book in 2003. I wrote another book and several articles during lockdown developing the larger-mind aspect more fully from the ideas in the first book “The Textbook of the Universe the Genetic Ascent to God” if you are interested. Whenever I don’t put the title people ask. 😂🤷‍♀️ not selling or anything just preempting 😊 Wider actuality YES!!! I have a chapter, my Donald Hoffman chapter, about going beyond our evolutionarily-limited world view. 😂 I actually was talking to Dr Hoffman making plans to meet before his book came out and before lockdown 😢 when he became almost unreachable and unmeetable. I had a bunch of ideas for his simulation programs and stuff. ❤

[@angelotuteao6758]

Always riveting to listen to Bernardo - at a time of dissonance and polarisation Kastrup illuminates in a quiet yet revolutionary way

[@DavidTizzard]

Beautifully said

[@laika5757]

BK is Fantastic..👍

[@stephengee4182]

See yourself in others and everything to transform will.

[@marcgilis8319]

Fascinating, eye and mind opening. I am gratefull having found this it makes me feel hole, all t

[@amartinakis]

Xtremely beautiful conversation! Thank you Sirs, my warmest regards!

[@DavidTizzard]

Our pleasure!

[@sepo3451]

Eventually all philosophers and scientists will come to the same final conclusion, namely that we never will be able to understand, find, know or derive the meaning of life. We aren´t even able to answer the question whether or not there is one at all. We don´t know what we are, where we come from and where we go and we never will. 6000 years of known civilization with far better minds than live today haven´t lead us one inch closer to the answer of these questions. So the meaning of life, if you must insist that there is one, is this: live and look for it but don´t find it and then die.

[@loganscott4396]

If life has meaning then it is also meaningless

[@loganscott4396]

So literally the meaning of life is that it is meaningless

[@thegeordierambler4373]

Wonderful Bernardo!! Back in the Saddle!👍

[@gireeshneroth7127]

Mind is nature. Living is exclusively a mind's activity. And consciousness is living a mind wake.

[@shawnewaltonify]

Bravo, before I die, I have always already wanted to understand exactly what you are providing here in the answers to these questions. Learning from this video content feels like I am fulfilling my life's goals. Huge thanks!

[@bretta7057]

Found this channel through this video, just because I listen to any Kastrup interview I can find, and regularly search for them. Incidentally, I am also interested in Korean culture and history (especially Son, which is one of my favorite sects of Buddhism). Gotta say though: I was a little confused as to why Kastrup is on a podcast called “Korea Deconstructed”? Am I missing a connection there somehow?😅 Not complaining though, because I’m glad I found this channel!

[@DavidTizzard]

I just really wanted to speak to Bernardo haha. And I learned so much from listening to him. There is no real Korea connection but I'm probably going to write about how his ideas might be explain a lot of modern society here in my column this week. If you are interested in Korean history and Buddhism, the conversations on this channel with David Mason, Anton Scholz, and Mark Peterson all come highly recommended. Let me know what you think. And thank you for finding us. 감사합니다~

[@leandrosilvagoncalves1939]

Wow! The images & vídeos shown during the interview give so much liveness to it. They give this artistic aura to the interview. I really liked it

[@DavidTizzard]

Thank you. I tried to just follow my instincts and not think too deeply about things. Just allow the images to choose themselves and hopefully speak to the viewers in some way. Very glad to hear that you enjoyed the final combination.

[@rogerproctor9987]

Agreed, what a great interview! Where did you find those incredible images??

[@DavidTizzard]

​@@rogerproctor9987 Thank you for the positive message. I used a website called Pexels and put the "license" setting as "free". This allowed me to then search a whole variety of categories and images and put them in the video without KZbin taking them down for copyright infringement. I didn't always get the images I wanted, but I really like the work of filmmaker Adam Curtis and find images alongside narration can often prompt thoughts and ideas in our minds that wouldn't arise otherwise.

[@rogerproctor9987]

Thanks so much. And thanks again for creating this wonderful video!

[@fpalisse]

I feel like this maybe my fav interview of Bernardo. Do you have the transcript?

[@DavidTizzard]

Thank you for the kind words. I don't have a transcript but it may be possible to use AI or some software to generate one. Let me know if I can help in any way.

[@VeronicaThompson-k7t]

Last comment! “Art is to understand what we don’t know yet” “The double life of Veronique” : along with “White, Red & Blue.” Mozart’s Clarinet Concerto which was commented by a contemporary philosopher: “he knew too much”… Mozart may not had perished in plaque, at the time his wife wasn’t present and we don’t have his grave! Mozart could have escaped to Prague. He lived in Prague before… Mozart’s Requiem was unfinished for a very different reason, - a message to the future generations! With respect to your lucid mind, Véronique

[@DavidTizzard]

I have listened to Bernardo's song recommendation a few times now but have yet to watch the film. Hopefully this weekend when I get some time to properly engage.

[@waen606]

Haa ,at 71 cycles around the sun, the apparent coincidences for me, can no longer be regarded as mere coincidence..and synchronicity can no longer be denied .

[@DavidTizzard]

Congratulations on the cycles. (In a genuine moment of beautiful synchronicity, yesterday I taught my students about the construction of time and asked them what a day and a year was in real terms. I explained the rotation of the earth and the cycle around the sun. I then came online and saw your comment. True story!)

[@waen606]

@DavidTizzard thank you they've had there ups and downs ,.. it is an amazing thing though ,I pinch myself sometimes to see if I'm dreaming..two years ago I was a normal sceptical man ..lol..but it had been around three years, (at that stage) ,of the craziest 'connections'.. Thanks for your reply ..I value that greatly .

[@martingorren5217]

What a wonderful song : Song to the Siren. It does call to me somewhere on a deeper level. On a side note…to me the effect is bigger when sang by Brian Ferry...

[@DavidTizzard]

I grew up listening to Bryan Ferry in the car. Seeing his name mentioned here like this is really something... haha

[@martingorren5217]

Well, listening to Bryan growing up... that could be worse... I just simply loves Bryan's voice.

[@RighteousMonk-m1m]

Super valuable wisdom! 🙌

[@raniahafez136]

Brilliant interview offering an explanation of Nietzsche's philosophy as it pertains to making sense of where humanity is at. It also harks to Platonic conceptions of the constraints of our intellect. Love your questions David, as they elicit pragmatic replies that help us understand the current human condition and reflect on how we can all bring more meaning into our lives. You're an excellent interviewer 👏🏼 Rania

[@DavidTizzard]

Thank you, Rania. I actually spent a few days before this interview speaking with my friends and saying how nervous/apprehensive I was so to hear that eventually things worked out well is very pleasing. And yes, I couldn't help but keep thinking of Plato throughout this conversation - thus my use of the word shadows at various points. I appreciate you being part of the conversation.

[@laisa.]

If we are like Bernardo says, a product of nature and are "being done" by nature then the thoughts about "my life being about me" is also nature's doing. Or else there's separation. And how would that work.

[@goran586]

38:00 When BK tells the metaphor of the violin, a song by Bob Dylan comes to mind: "Lay down your weary tune, lay down Lay down the song you strum And rest yourself 'neath the strength of strings No voice can hope to hum"

[@DavidTizzard]

Love Dylan. Saw him live in Seoul in 2010. Also watched No Direction Home recently. Marvelous stuff.

[@realcygnus]

BK on point as usual.

[@burtonsschool9532]

Play, pause, play, pause, play, pause, go deep in thoughts. I’ll be back. Wow.

[@DavidTizzard]

Let us know your thoughts!

[@phantomhawk01]

You know it's deep when you gotta keep pausing.

[@jaroslawnoworyta3626]

Haha... Exactly the same by me... 😂.. It's like mentally eating a fantastic meal, you have to stop for a while to swallow it down, enjoying every piece of it 😊

[@TL-rh1lf]

thanks.. great discussion

[@shawnewaltonify]

I have not heard anyone answer questions about ontology using reference to the history of philosophy better than Bernardo Kastrup does. Several decades ago Universities first began to build the infrastructure for multi-disciplinary studies to address the accelerated demand for polymaths to help synthesize a century old discovery in physics that still has not reached common sense experience, and Bernardo Kastrup is an example of exactly what they were hoping for when they did so. For example, did you you hear him say that ontology is like nature entering into a process of dissociation, or did you hear him identify that fluid transference is involved in much of current affairs.

[@DavidTizzard]

Thank you for being part of the conversation.

[@magiccarpetmusic5977]

Synchronicity is exactly what quantum phase entanglements and associated correlation is all about

[@human5715]

very interesting as always, i have a question maybe someone can answer this - so im basically not very smart when it comes to trying to understand the technical side of science related stuff but i still love watching videos like these for example and try to understand them as best as i can so my question is this: is it actually possible for someone like me who will never understand the technical background of any theories (im kind of very bad in logical thinking and it never changed no matter how much i tried in life), to still get a deeper understanding of reality or is it futile? im always sad because of my inability in relation to this and this drives me a little away from diving in and reading more books and increasing my "knowledge" about these things because i have this worry in my mind that i will never "actually" understand what im dealing with. thanks for any answers

[@CALCANEUS3535]

I think Kastrup plainly says here, logic and reason are merely one way to arrive a bit closer to reality. Introspection into ourselves is another, perhaps superior way to come closer to “knowing” what reality is. Because whatever it is, includes who you truly are.

[@DavidTizzard]

As the other person who replied said, according to Bernardo, there are three paths to knowledge: rational thought, empirical evidence, and introspection. So, if you believe you struggle with technical theories, there are still two paths available to you: experience and introspection. For introspection, which Bernardo says is the royal path to knowledge, we just have to know ourselves. We have to find out what it is inside of us that resonates. What is it inside us, beneath the culture, beneath the society, and beneath our ego, that comes only from us. That thing. That is what you should seek.

[@aaphantasiaa]

No, you don’t need to be some super genius with a highly detailed, technical framework of reality to find understanding in it. You can know the inherent beauty of an orchestra’s music without knowing how to play an instrument.

[@DavidTizzard]

@@aaphantasiaa Beautiful way of describing it. Bravo!

[@moyeonkim]

Much needed reminder ❤

[@DavidTizzard]

Great to hear from you, Moyeon! Hope your service to the board is going well!!

[@rossmcleod7983]

BK is the bees knees, many thanks.

[@DavidTizzard]

Glad to have provided something and been of.....service. Haha

[@kgrandchamp]

I am not convinced life is not about the individual. Every living creature has this fundamental urge to live that shows the importance of every individual life. I am convinced that living one's life is fundamentally important! Bernardo even says it in his description of the first phase of life. After expressing one's being and reproducing I understand that one can be of service. To one's descendents and then to others. Nature does not know what it is doing. It just does. Supreme beauty and evil coexist in a maelstrom. It has no morals. Should one allow this immorality to flow throw our beings without filtering? Without choosing? I don't think so! We have to embrace the potentiality of our being because that is a condition for sanity! But once we know it's scope, we have to choose and direct the flow of being and it's actions. I think the problem of combination of minds has to be addressed when we speak of biology. Eukaryotic cells are an aggregate of two separate organisms, a bacteria that gave the mitochondria and it's own plasmid, and an amoeba like cell that engulfed it. So if the original cell has a unifed mind, it has to have combined the minds of at least two separate organisms. Thanks so much for this fascinating talk David and Bernardo!

[@DavidTizzard]

Thank you for joining the conversation. I'm not sure I have a perfect response to your comment but I enjoyed reading it nonetheless and it gave me pause to consider both individuality and biology. Much obliged, sir.

[@maddywilcox9012]

Bernardo materialism is baloney but can you do some short on the world is mental, along with everyone in it... Lol if you could manage one in Spanish it would be muchly appreciated... Bless you Bernardo for all your time and enjoy, very happy to see you looking happy and well, was getting a bit worried about you a wee while back... David. A professor of woman in a Korean university, far out of what? Bless you too for bringing Bernardo to us he's one of our planets very very best people... ❤❤❤

[@DavidTizzard]

Thank you for the positive vibes. The pleasure was all mine.

[@VeronicaThompson-k7t]

The example of us missing the point: the trend to wipe out all eatable dandelions from lawns ended up in tons of white daisies useless to us and Pollinators!

[@keith9033]

There's a Zen koan this reminds me of. Two monks were observing a temple flag waving in the wind. One monk said, "The flag is moving." The other monk argued, "No, it's the wind that is moving." They continued to debate back and forth, unable to agree. At this point, the Sixth Patriarch Hui-neng (also known as Eno Daikan) overheard their argument and intervened. He said to them, "It is neither the flag that moves, nor the wind that moves. It is your minds that are moving."

[@DavidTizzard]

Yes, I love this particular story and use it often in my lectures on Buddhism. A version of it also features in the first Matrix movie when Neo visits the Oracle and speaks with a young boy bending spoons. For a localized Korean version, search for the story of Monk Wonhyo and the skull water.

[@Inneropus]

Simple, Brilliant!

[@DavidTizzard]

Many thanks!

[@Gdad-20]

It has nothing to do with "Allowing" nature to play us. There really is no choice.

[@Kastled5]

I don't know why, but I am verklempt by your exiting remarks and "the apple blossoms." What video does Kastrup talk about music? I cant find an obviously correlated title.

[@DavidTizzard]

This is the song Bernardo talked about: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6XWdmmZfsiFqK8

[@Kastled5]

I had to listen to that song right after the episode :)... but I meant what episode from Essentia you had recently watched that had to do with music?

[@DavidTizzard]

@@Kastled5 That's a really good question. I can remember where I was and when I watched it. I can remember writing the idea down and, sheepishly, trying to explain it to my wife. Unfortunately, because of the large amounts of wine, I can't remember which video it was. Or whether it actually happened. I'll have a look at their channel and see if any ring a bell. I don't think, however, it was one in which Bernardo was prominent - more of a minor guest.

[@Kastled5]

Lmao! Sounds like a great time... and that you have a very patient wife :p ​@@DavidTizzard

[@DavidTizzard]

@@Kastled5 Absolutely! haha

[@mirrorsarewater]

Great interview! I also appreciated the shout out to John Frusciante. The lyrics found on his solo records are a great representation of the ideas found in Jung, and Schopenhauer, and by extension Bernardo. How familiar are you with Frusciante's music?

[@DavidTizzard]

Nice to hear someone pick up on that reference. Yes, I'm incredibly familiar with Frusciante's music and have spent a lifetime trying to open myself to his influence. After this conversation, I listened to The Empyrean from start to finish and was blown away all over again in a way I wasn't a decade ago.

[@mirrorsarewater]

​@@DavidTizzard Very cool, I love that album. His music is one of my major inspirations. I've recently released a video that compares the concept of the Jungian "Self" and Frusciante's "Personification of the Creative Force" (Bernardo would call it his Daemon). I'm still learning on how to make a polished video, but you may enjoy the ideas! Thanks again. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpTRnquEj5ihatEsi=Nmi7tn6MKY1FTY7o

[@Kastled5]

Bernardo and Vervaeke... thats the convo I cant wait for

[@DavidTizzard]

They've already done it. You can find it on KZbin...

[@Kastled5]

@@DavidTizzardomg! You're right! I must not have been ready for it. Ty!

[@justinamos9223]

You are a great interviewer! I don't think that the stock video clips add much to the discussion and would rather see the participants talking. Just my opinion!

[@DavidTizzard]

Thank you for the kind words. It's a great challenge to keep up with Bernardo's speed and depth of thought, but I did my best. Honestly, it was a pleasure to speak with him so directly. Some here very much enjoyed the videos. Others did not. Hopefully, irrespective of our own personal taste, the meaning comes through.

[@justinamos9223]

​@@DavidTizzardyou kept up with Bernardo great, but also stayed in touch with a layman like myself and ask questions that were on my mind. Thank you

[@human5715]

and one more question, im sorry if this is a stupid one but maybe someone could clarify - in the video it was said that the universe at large seems to have similarities to a brain but if thats the case wouldnt that mean that this "brain" would have a beginning and end to it just like a human brain for example, wouldnt this mean that the universe is therefore limited and not infinite? do we know for sure that there isnt anything beyond the universe and it just keeps going on forever no matter how far you "look" out?

[@CALCANEUS3535]

I think what the essence of what he’s saying is that the universe presents its self in a “physical” form to us (disassociated parts of the one mind) as the image of a neuronal-network much like our own internal internal experience presents itself as the image of our fleshy folded brain, and FMRIs. The images and presentations may correlate to our inner personal experiences but they do not fully capture who/what we are.

[@DavidTizzard]

None of your questions are stupid. They are perfectly reasonable and asking them helps everyone else learn. Thank you! xx

[@kevinbyrne3012]

It blows my mind how Bernardo thinks. He seems to be able to articulate deep rooted truths of mind and bring them to light.

[@Smeegheed1963]

Bernard has reawakened my Intelligence.

[@VeronicaThompson-k7t]

When Bernardo talks about Universe at Large that looks like a super brain is explored in a book/film “Solaris” (1970’s) the meaning behind existence and “karma” like re-experience and “correcting” the perceived “problem” interactions and situations.

[@DavidTizzard]

I've heard of the book, but not read it. I'll try to keep it in my mind going forward. Thank you for sharing.

[@springlilly9672]

My blossoms are in full bloom ad I listen

[@DeeKay1301]

It is easy to be played by life if you have health, security and a save comfortable home with an apple tree in your backyard.

[@arlinegeorge6967]

Beautiful conversation and as explained. We humans are here to serve with love. As the plants do for us, We humans who are not ready to obey then the universe will.make us do it with lots of suffering, In india experienced it Tashi Namgyal Academy school motto was learn to serve with love. The great leader Dalia lama' his wisdom is training teacher and student,, even politicians hopefully a pandemic of loving compassion will be spread among us humans. Indian values culture traditions and integrity will be spread and accepted to the present universe now, Thank you, love and peace to all

[@DavidTizzard]

Love this message. Thank you for sharing the positivity.

[@CatastrophicDisease]

Wonderful discussion but the stock footage is so distracting and unnecessary. Had to turn my phone down during those parts.

[@katherineburdette605]

Could Bernardo please comment and clarify the reference to the Heisenberg principle used for over 30 years by qualitative researchers and anthropologists to support their contention that by observing individuals or cultures we cause change when observing them . I would understand the injunction not to interfere but I do not understand their claim that the Heisenberg principle applies to humans observing humans. I thought the principle only applied to subatomic particles so perhaps I am a blockhead. Thank you!

[@pietwandelaar1743]

To better follow the discussion just close your eyes whenever the distracting extraneous video segments appear on the screen. Better yet, just turn off the video completely and only listen to the audio.

[@DavidTizzard]

Everyone learns through a different method. There are those who have spoken very positively of the video. And, for those who simply prefer the voice, the content is also available as a podcast and audio only. It's good, isn't it, that people have the option to choose which best fits them...?

[@jamesstaggs4160]

I'll respond to the statement in the thumbnail the same way I respond to any statement regarding killing the ego. I have free will, so what good is it if I don't use it? Is it vestigial? Is it an error or a mistake? Ego death and allowing nature to "play you" are very similar and I've always thought that being an individual was a good thing. It's something I've always cherished. Sure you get to make a decision if you decide to turn your will over to nature but after that if I just become a vessel for some other will ot intelligence that sounds an awful lot like being part of a hive mind. I do realize that everything has to have come from the same source at some point. The "Tao, the way, God, nature" is all encompassing. Nothing can truly separate from it because there's I'd no "outside". Wouldn't exercising my personal will be exercising the will of nature anyways since I'm part of it? I'm not saying he's wrong or that ego death is a bad thing. I don't know either way which is the better choice, but I never take anything as it's given. If there's another angle to view something from I'm going to explore it even if I agree with it. I hope everyone does the same, not how a contarian would but just to make sure what's being said has been thoroughly examined.

[@DM100]

The word “sin” in Hebrew means to “miss the mark”. We miss the mark constantly, every day.

[@jjjccc728]

## Service to Nature: Finding Meaning in a Meaningless World Source one is a conversation between Bernardo Kastrup and David Tizzard about finding meaning in life. **Kastrup argues that the meaning of life is not about pursuing individual happiness, but about serving nature.** He suggests that this idea is not new, but rather a return to a more "authentic, original, primordial source of meaning" that humans have always understood. Kastrup outlines a few key points in the conversation: * **We are all part of nature:** Just like the apple blossom that must wither and die to make space for the next generation of apple trees, humans are also part of a larger natural order. Our lives are not solely about individual pursuits but about serving the needs of this larger system. * **The pursuit of individual happiness is a cultural misconception:** Kastrup argues that the idea that life is about individual happiness is a relatively recent cultural construct, particularly prevalent in Western societies. He links this misconception to the rise of scientific materialism, which he believes has eroded traditional sources of meaning rooted in transcendence. * **We have lost sight of transcendent meaning:** According to Kastrup, the pursuit of individual happiness often leads to a focus on accumulating wealth, power, or status, ultimately resulting in a sense of meaninglessness. He attributes this to the loss of a connection to something larger than ourselves, a "transcendent source of meaning" that he believes has historically given human life purpose. * **Introspection is key to rediscovering meaning:** Kastrup suggests that introspection is the "royal path to knowledge," a way to connect with the "impersonal will" that underlies all of existence. By looking inward, he argues, we can move beyond our individual egos and tap into the deeper meaning and purpose that come from aligning ourselves with the flow of nature. * **Synchronicity as evidence of a meaningful universe:** Kastrup sees synchronicity, or meaningful coincidences, as evidence that the universe is not merely a random collection of particles, but rather a system organized by meaning. These synchronicities, he suggests, occur because both our minds and the external world operate according to the same "archetypal templates." Kastrup's ideas challenge conventional notions of individualism and the pursuit of happiness, suggesting that true meaning lies in recognizing our interconnectedness with nature and surrendering to a purpose larger than ourselves.

[@maxbaniwas7970]

Im a big fan

[@mathieuraetz2041]

Life wants to recycle itself. That’all. Everything else are thoughts wandering in inheritated cultural realms. Forgotten rules of the modern heterotroph.

[@midi510]

I've believed there's only one mind for nearly 50 years.

[@megacancer3426]

The human usefulness could not expand exponentially until resilient information like DNA was prevalent, like after the invention of the printing press. Humans are RNA at a larger scale and both created and work upon the information to create tools and structural elements. We do our metabolism mostly inside tech cells. See James at Megacancer.

[@CGMaat]

Thank you Bernardo- helping towards to a more collective transcendence . We turn off the news and find great comfort in these tertulias ….socrates for our flat screen agora .

[@midi510]

Is God not the initial disassociation? Would not the mind of God be the father, the first disassociation be the son, and the impetus for the mind to disassociate be the spirit?

[@lawrence_of_osaka]

Why would you think that “positive self image” = “thinking you’re better than other people“??? What??

[@spiralsun1]

It’s not me. The last thing I want is the mundane and comfort ❤ I live in my car in no particular place 😊 I’ll see you soon. 😂 My first book: The Textbook of the Universe: the Genetic Ascent to God… my book I just finished focuses on the hid part. Not a guy in the clouds. Not back yet. That’s my Apple-blossom role. lol, I was in the Cupertino Library today writing by Apple headquarters. You said “ Apple Blossom” 😂 I gathered mental tools. Something works with/through my brain. Creates stuff with it. But I understand what it is and why. It took a longtime to make me. My understanding is part of how I work. I can see and feel it working. It’s admittedly part of how I predict things and predicted so much I. My first book. Sometimes you do need to know. That’s another tenet. Everyone is different. Very important ❤

[@amanuel.m4575]

when I feel empty and desperate there he is....

[@bertusvooijs469]

Bernardo, Would you consider reproduction a (general) form of meaning?

[@thegeordierambler4373]

So ..Bernardo..can we dance ???? ‘ Is it possible…that we can move an individual?? This is about me!!!! I will move your wife! I will push you on!!!!!

[@thegeordierambler4373]

INXS….Original sin!! You might..know of….an original sin.,

[@rhb30001]

Universe which is impersonal creates dissociative personalities? Sounds so stupid … the universe has to be personal first

[@youngiansorted1255]

Can any of you fine folks tell me why this is called Korea Deconstructed?

[@DavidTizzard]

It was during the pandemic and I was simply playing with words, looking for something that felt good to me at that time. The podcast is generally focused on Korea but I occasionally speak with people beyond that field (like Kastrup and Sapolsky) out of personal curiosity and a desire to learn.

[@RighteousMonk-m1m]

In my perception, Bernardo is the reincarnation of Buddha ! 😊 🫂 🙏

[@cordera9543]

Volledig betekenis = volledige verstrengeling = volledig bewustzijn (wetenschap).

[@rhb30001]

The universal will is personal as will pertain to personhood… I don’t agree with Bernardo that the universal will is not personal

[@tracedinspace]

Agreed. It is deeply personal

[@observer2333]

Satya sai baba said, LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

[@jeronimobeta]

In Nietzsche's philosophy, the Übermensch represents a higher form of humanity that has overcome traditional moral values and created their own meaning in life. The concept of the eternal return, also known as "eternal recurrence," suggests that life and existence repeat in a never-ending cycle, with each event and moment occurring again and again, exactly as it has happened before. Nietzsche proposed that by embracing the eternal return, we as humans can craft our own meaning and take responsibility for our lives. This is connected to his idea of amor fati, which means "love of fate." It encourages us to love our lives, regardless of the circumstances, and to embrace the idea that we are living the same life eternally. It would have been interesting if Nietzsche had delved deeper into the Übermensch's role in the eternal return. He suggested that humans, as Übermenschen, have the power to create new meaning and shape our own destinies, even within the constraints of the eternal return. This concept challenges us to live authentically and to embrace the responsibility of crafting our own purpose in life.

[@DavidTizzard]

Thank you for joining the conversation and providing this perspective on Nietzsche

[@tzmythos]

Jung was one who declared that God is indeed alive - not the bearded man in heaven but God as the divine Principle deep within the human psyche. "Vocatus atque non vocatus, Deus aderit. Called or uncalled, God is present," Jung wrote. And It can be felt within.

[@maddywilcox9012]

❤❤❤❤❤ ❤ beautiful boys....

[@deborahhebblethwaite1865]

🙏🙏🙏🇨🇦

[@VeblenGrover-d9d]

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[@bjarterundereim3038]

Why choose an apple blossom to symbolize human social development? An apple blossom is by nature destined to die and develop into an apple, which is the next biological step for the apple tree. A human is the apple of the apple tree, not the blossom. This small fact not only ruins your storytelling, but also much of your logic. Human nature could also be compared to a predatorial animal, like a lion. The lion's goal in life is to preserve its own life, then procreate, then fulfil its life as near as possible to being a perfect lion. That's all. A human's goal in life is not that simple. Very few are really in the search for life long happiness. Most of us know all to well, (as opposed to the Founding Fathers of the US of A) that happiness is a transient thing, it passes very quickly, and many are satisfied to experience it in short bursts, if any. Many spend their whole life chasing this ghost, without ever getting there. To hold hppiness up, like a tentaive goal for your viewers, as a premise for your logic, seems to me rather misplaced and maybe even misunderstood.

[@EvanArlen-v4g]

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