Bernie Sanders: "Open borders? That's a Koch brothers proposal"

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[@deplorablepiratecaptaingunberd]

Totally surprised that this video hasn't been memory holed off KZbin.

[@heterolayman9402]

Deplorable Pirate Captain Gunbeard What if we set up a system where the average American shared in the profits of the increased prosperity of open borders? And it’s of course an extremely humanitarian thing to do for the immigrants themselves. I made a video discussing this topic. If you have criticism feel free to drop a comment

[@messiahofdoom]

@@@heterolayman9402 *_"What if we set up a system where the average American shared in the profits of the increased prosperity of open borders"_* This has to be a joke. The last thing open borders would bring the U.S. would be profits and prosperity. You people need to live in reality.

[@1201smokey]

For real would of been my first thought

[@DEEPSTATE000]

Same, surprised it's on Vox as well

[@1201smokey]

Realizing they can t hide it cuz they might need it to take the running from him

[@rios9000]

If Bernie had stuck to his guns on this he would have won

[@x-man9473]

Ironic catchphrase considering he changed his stance on gun rights as well. Lol

[@muzzer3726]

The Democratic establishment career politicians will never let him win.

[@meMe-qi1tp]

Based Nazbol Bernie

[@paramountofpuns6913]

when did he change his position?

[@taylorkohls5268]

But he DID. Tulsi Gabbard let Dave Rubin lie about it without push back, but Marianne Williamson put Dave Rubin in his place.

[@belowaverageluke1369]

I wish we still had this Bernie.

[@DigitalNomadOnFIRE]

@cringe2win146There's no such thing as 'democratic' socialism, it's all communism, which is basically identical to noozism.

[@NewTide-cr6qp]

He sold out

[@theyabib3323]

@@DigitalNomadOnFIRE 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@buildingabout3505]

Year is 2024, how's it going?

[@wabakoen5548]

This Bernie is dead :(

[@JamesOnen]

Trump should tweet this video out 😂😂😂😂

[@migalorsdarwin1930]

if it is time he will

[@Bike_Lion]

@@NeightrixPrime - I'm sure they've downloaded the footage - in case Vox deletes it.

[@user-hv7cj3yb7u]

He will lose supporters to Bernie if he does.

[@thegreatestquest8358]

Oh just wait.

[@danule2935]

@@user-hv7cj3yb7u No he wont. Bernie now SUPPORTS Open Borders. This shows what a flip flopper he is.

[@jepkofficial]

I have NEVER heard this from Bernie. How is this not advertised more? Isn't he saying exactly what every Trump supporter voted for Trump for?

[@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath]

Yes.

[@mto354]

Which is ironic because what Bernie is saying, workers rights and improving lives of the majority of citizens in the name of democracy, is traditionally a Democrat ideal. Hence, Trump’s policies are more focused on socialism and thus Democrat-like in nature, and the Democratic base looks more like capitalists - being against workers rights and against improving the lives of their own country. Now if you support workers rights or if you’re a socialist you’re now a nationalist? But those are Democrat platforms... so traditional Democrats are now nationalists and those who are new ‘woke’ Democrats are in the pocket of capitalists? Lol where is the critical thought people?

[@chriswatson3464]

No

[@akzebraminer]

His solutions are different from Trump’s, that’s why they won’t support him. Now, they along with other dems are lying about many of his positions, but that won’t change many minds if it suddenly stops.

[@RazgrizWing]

He only said we shouldn't have open borders, he didn't say that we shouldn't have immigrants or accept refugees and migrants.

[@KobyBrennero]

I would’ve voted for THIS man.

[@magnumlifestyle6327]

Sadly he has changed his position. He now supports open borders (and calls it open migration)

[@Evili555]

@@magnumlifestyle6327 that part lost me to Bernie. I will not support a person who support open borders

[@CovidVirgin]

@@Evili555 yeah, sadly he should’ve remained more conservative on guns, immigration, woke politics, would’ve done very well with economic progressives/social moderates like myself which make up a good chunk of the country

[@yaboikillermemestar5665]

@@magnumlifestyle6327 citation needed

[@bhg123ful]

Yep, me too. So sad he caved in.

[@TrilliumUO]

I wasn't convinced that Ezra believes we should be a nation-state.

[@notthisprickagain8499]

His kind hate nations having any sense of self identity and pride

[@DailyNugget]

Bingo.

[@paramountofpuns6913]

@@notthisprickagain8499 I'm against open borders but that's a terrible reason to be against open borders

[@antiracistbaby1085]

@@paramountofpuns6913 Nope we are all aware they are trying 5heir best to make white people go extinct

[@aggressive9999]

@@antiracistbaby1085 wow

[@IvanRandomDude]

HE IS WHITE NATIONALIST.... based on 2019 standards.

[@bryanzarate2602]

Ivan Radenkovic no he isn’t, the entire progressive movement in America is for Bernie and against white nationalism (aka Trump)

[@snippletrap]

@@bryanzarate2602 You missed the point. Think about it.

[@torkelsvenson6411]

No, then he would want to expel all non-whites from the US which he doesn't. I don't think there are many people who consider this White Nationalism. Nationalism, sure, but that's a different thing.

[@TheDunestyler]

indeed.

[@TheDunestyler]

@@torkelsvenson6411 you also missed the point.

[@ParagonChumba]

Bearnie was right and look where we are now open borders and were all suffering!

[@ibeetellingya5683]

we don't have open borders, we have a law enforcement and processing manpower shortage for political reasons. Most claims of Americans"suffering" from immigrants of any kind are lies. Illegal aliens do more to help the economy, but right wing hate lie about that. Suffer the facts if you want.

[@vladimirlenin2714]

He's arguing against open borders, not for completely closed borders.

[@chadgriffith9583]

Right? haha

[@anthonym9130]

No has argued for completely close borders the purpose is to have immigration coincide with supply and demand so that wages and job opportunities for domestic workers especially in the African-American Community are not affected

[@multirampage1]

No. He was for completely closed borders, but flip flopped because the democratic party establishment that he wanted to be a part of is in favor of open borders.

[@tito_zz9217]

ok lenin

[@thatleftyjames2893]

Who has argued for completely closing borders?

[@eruno_]

he is economic protectionist, of course he is against open borders

[@DrLimbic]

What do you suggest? Hand your economy over to another nation?

[@skeleton2082]

Sadly, not anymore.

[@multirampage1]

@@libertarianheretic412 "Perhaps you mean available jobs are shared among a larger labor pool so less jobs are available" That's what Bernie meant. "Well luckily there isn't a hard limit on the total number of jobs that can be created" There is. Low skilled immigrants, in general, aren't going to create new jobs. So, if the amount of US born citizens remains constant, but the amount of low skilled immigrants increases, then there will be more people competing for the same amount of job, which means lower wages for everyone. There are also certain industries in which you cannot create new jobs indefinitely. Mining is an example, if you already have the required amount of miners in every mine in the country, then you don't need to hire more.

[@8brahmanas8]

Open👏Borders👏For👏Israel👏Down👏With👏The👏Juice

[@ashuu3]

@Jano van Pelt maybe he is listening or reading traditional economic Books for BA program

[@MentalParadox]

No one is going to comment on how Bernie did a 180 in recent years? No one? Okay.

[@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath]

He bowed to the "progessive" mob, like every other democrat.

[@ZolaniZweni]

Can you post a video of him flipping on this?

[@Michael-mh2tw]

Link to him flipping?

[@MentalParadox]

@@Michael-mh2tw The "link" would be his entire 2020 campaign, in which he defended open borders and echoed the far-left idea that borders and walls are racist. Quite the opposite from what he's saying here.

[@ZolaniZweni]

@@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath not even one video?

[@sirkayda7205]

Sanders: "The Right Wing wants open borders." Take that Pelosi!!

[@abram730]

Pelosi is very far right of center.

[@notayoutuber1856]

Abram Carroll no she’s not.

[@abram730]

@@notayoutuber1856 Yes she is.

[@strike-up]

@@abram730 Fiscally or socially?

[@mybldyvlntn]

@@abram730 No, no she is not.

[@fathertedczynski]

I don't usually agree with Bernie, but he is spot on with regards to immigration

[@sterlingprice5963]

@Father Ted, Most people think they don't agree with Bernie Sanders, until they finally actually listen to what he's saying. Most people who usually don't agree with Sanders have had what he says translated to them by the MSM, instead of getting it straight from the horse's mouth.

[@ParadoxBoxx]

@@sterlingprice5963 Your comment has aged particularly well with the Sanders Joe Rogan Interview, people in the comments express the same sentiment.

[@jdkantorowicz]

So xenophobia is the right position?

[@fatneckbeard3415]

@@jdkantorowicz Yes, "Xenophobia" is just a word used to demonize people who care about their nation, heritage, and culture.

[@jdkantorowicz]

@Andrew Bennett I would like to, but if I do I hate Jews or something

[@KG-ck9hb]

This is the best version of Bernie

[@jash6105]

This is just Bernie sanders. There is not versions.

[@yaboy1809]

This was Bernie at his most based

[@RaisonDetre96]

This is one of the few times I agree with Bernie Sanders. I'm glad he would favor American teenagers getting jobs over importing low-wage workers.

[@TheseBitchesWantNikes]

Azer Simple Make no mistake. He doesn’t believe this anymore. He fell in line with the crooked Dems.

[@fialan7308]

bernie sanders hates america #

[@latenightlogic]

You guys are kidding aren’t you? One of the few times you agree? So you’re not a fan of free health care?

[@valireklaam]

As a European its strange to see Americans complaining all over internet that they cant afford anything any more - rent, groceries etc. compared to the salaries. If you open the borders to millions of low wage workers - guess what happens ?

[@arkerstater8856]

@@latenightlogicit’s not free, and paid for in stolen taxes

[@Stikibits]

“We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can’t have both.” -Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1856-1941)

[@SackBoySnake]

Stikibits Well, that's a black and white view of the world if I ever saw one...

[@TheBardPlays]

Maybe, but people who have a job shouldn't be living in poverty.

[@SackBoySnake]

Stikibits Let's change that, shall we? Let's start by having you explain to all of us, how you define "Democracy", and why that is needed in order to achieve economic equality.

[@SackBoySnake]

Erick Bravo So just having a job, no matter what it is, despite how many hours you work, you're entitled to whatever you deem is not low enough to live in a poor neighborhood. Don't you see the flaw with that thinking?

[@dmoneytron]

Chigau Pop the bottle People are entitled to a good standard of living for the work that they provide. Policies that stand in the way of that are bad policies and people have a right to change them. This includes making sure that profits are given to the people who produce them.

[@yjk5737]

This is why I voted for Sanders in the primary. I support him on single-payer universal healthcare, but people who think you can have open borders and universal healthcare are out of their minds. It's not about racism. It's how the world is structured into nation states at the present. Open borders might be an ideal to achieve down the road, but it should not be unilateral. It would have to be a fully reciprocal arrangement between states with which we share economic parity. Until then we continue to have closed borders with controlled immigration and invest in our neighbors to help them reach that level of parity.

[@irocss85]

I agree but there no way to invest in Mexico. Only investing in a corrupt government that's in the pocket of the the cartel.

[@zipity2782]

Only 4% of the world is American, how can you possibly sit here and say that Americans, who even at their most destitute and poor are more wealthy than billions of people, need to be the forefront of our society? Why does inequality only matter for your country? This idea is underlying an unsubstantiated fear of immigrants, for a 2nd generation immigrant has just as much ability to be a productive American as any human being.

[@stp479]

So true. I sent Bernie cash largely on the stand he took in this old video. That Bernie is is gone. Racist Biden/democrats are now burying black and brown communities in unvetted, unvaccinated peoples from the world over. It's true systemic supremacy.

[@latenightlogic]

Australia has universal healthcare. You’re deluded if you think the US can’t have it too

[@yjk5737]

@@latenightlogic You misunderstand. I support the idea of universal healthcare, but I don't think you can have it AND open borders too.

[@realhermit4397]

What happened to this Bernie? This was before he sold out!

[@harrisonfackrell]

Sold out to who?

[@stp479]

@@harrisonfackrell Open borders inc. He's powerless to prevent it from our left.

[@strike-up]

@@harrisonfackrell Jews

[@ChristianRoland7]

He didn't sell out, decriminalizing crossing the border and open borders are two different things.

[@floki5605]

@@ChristianRoland7 How so? Decriminalization essentially means ZERO CONSEQUENCE of coming into the country, what's to stop someone from coming here then?

[@Auto_Learning]

Back before Bernie sold out.

[@horacioelconserjeopina3956]

Explian

[@morphkogan8627]

Sold out to what? After 50 years he sold out? Grow up

[@chief0129]

Open borders would be catastrophic during a pandemic like corona virus.

[@luckduck5961]

don't vote Sanders then! He 180'ed on this and calls everyone racist who doesn't want open borders now. Hes a fraud

[@QDibieYT]

Luckyduck absolute lies stop

[@LAKEVILLEMA]

it would be catastrophic, period. if you want to live in Central America just move there.

[@zoodles]

Bruh they still want it

[@ticotechhouston4917]

Nobody wants open borders. this is a republican rhetoric

[@theadamfriedlandshow4668]

I’ve always assumed that if people were liberal they believed in open borders because it would be racist not to believe so.. This opened my mind very much

[@bellacarlyle1017]

Aidan C in 2020 the Dems want to decriminalize illegal boarder crossing, so ur right now they think it’s racist about 10 years ago they didn’t 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@lovinmclovin5290]

Go back 20 years ago before Bush and Republicans were pro immigration and Democrats against it, against open borders. That's the reality.

[@aspieresearchmom]

Most liberals were against Open Borders for decades because only businesses wanted them for cheap illegal foreign labor

[@gmarefan]

Bernie's overlap with Democrats is only really that they are more big government.

[@Nick15632]

Wow nationalism from a socialist? This isn't a right-wing issue. It's a globalism / corruption issue. This is why both Trump and Sanders are popular.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

+Nick39891 People including the establishment just don't seem to understand it.

[@urielm774]

It's called Civic Nationalism.

[@alexkocian690]

It's not a globalism / corruption issue. It's a compassion / being selfish issue. And by the looks of it, neither Trump nor Sanders gives a rat's ass about the truly impoverished living in less developed countries.

[@urielm774]

Maybe Sanders would, he seems to be among the most righteous politicians. But, tbh this is a dilemma that is hard to solve without a price, to open the border or to close it have their own respective pros and cons. What he mentioned is a rational truth, not an irrational phobia against foreigners. I am an immigrant myself, but I see that the age of open-border immigration is coming to an end, this might make many of us hyper-emotional, the left might find this unjust and the right might find this a green light, but we as society must make the most rational yet empathetic decision to both save our future and reduce pain and misery on earth. Automation and outsourcing is killing jobs, especially low-skilled jobs, when more immigrants come in they reduce wages, big firms like that, but this negatively affects lives of the working class and the middle class.

[@jaywest3734]

@@alexkocian690 What makes you think America can have socialism and open borders at the same time lol?

[@eugeneimbangyorteza]

If Bernie said this in 2020, woke elitists would say he's a xenophobe.

[@danielhyman3396]

He's using the same right wing arguments we always here. "Dont bring in more immigrants, give jobs To the unepmloyed youth here ". Sounds pretty right wing To me. Open borders should be a part of any socialists program and bernie obviously is not a socialist.

[@jimwest7107]

@@danielhyman3396 EU freedom of movement is very much right-wing. Oddly it's left-wingers who support it as they see any resistance to it as an excuse to call someone racist or xenophobic.

[@danielhyman3396]

@Grand Rabbi Moshesteinbergshekelwitz if people wanna work or need opportunity let them come. Its one planet, we're all people. We should be allowed to go wherever we want to or need to.

[@achyuththouta6957]

@Grand Rabbi Moshesteinbergshekelwitz Because it's better for a company to have someone who can do the job instead of having someone who is unskilled for that job.

[@joelww2501]

@@danielhyman3396 Absolute waffle, Daniel. Open borders is a right-libertarian/anarchist policy.

[@paynefanbro]

I love this guy! He doesn't speak around questions like most politicians do. He also has a clear gameplan that he speaks about very often. Where other politicians will tell you the goal, he explains how he plans on achieving that goal.

[@Tyler2534]

+Bryce C He completely avoided the initial question, which was about the moral and philosophical problem of denying desperately poor people entry into a country merely because they were born on the other side of an arbitrary political border. He immediately made that question about the Koch brothers and the "right wing" wanting a lot of low-skilled, low-wage workers and how he is opposed to that because he doesn't like that people are poor and unemployed. That is an impressive political spin, but it is absolutely speaking around the question, just like all politicians do. I mean, this section of the interview is about "global poverty" and Bernie does a great job of saying absolutely nothing about global poverty until the last sentence (although he might have said more in the full interview - I haven't seen the uncut version) where he offers absolutely NO solutions whatsoever. All he offers are utopian goals, devoid of any viable "plans of achieving that goal"--again, just like all politicians. So he is an impressive politician, but he responds with political spin and talking points just like every other candidate.

[@delona6485]

He answered the point completely! The moral obligation of our government is to our citizens and the world!

[@Tyler2534]

delon a sarcasm? I hope?

[@Tyler2534]

Alex M The many economic fallacies and moral problems inherent in that policy aside, I wasn't addressing any policy specifically. I was merely commenting in opposition to the OP's idea that he actually answered the interviewers' question here. He did not. He said absolutely nothing substantive about global poverty or open borders. He instead spun the question, as you would expect from any skilled politician, so that he could talk about what he wanted to talk about. I'm not saying that is a good or bad thing, just that he absolutely spoke like any politician would.

[@TrevorAllenTech]

Tyler H Respectfully I disagree, I believe he did answer the question correctly to the philosophical intent of the question. The question was on the philosophical level how do you weight it (Foreign Aid, Poverty.. etc) He weighs it on the fact that his first obligation is to first serve the citizens of the united states before others. He already established that he wanted a nation state, so being America, however on a philosophical level he stated that he will serve the united states citizens before anyone else. Philosophically thats his intent, to serve Americans first because we live in America and being the president of the U.S. you should represent your citizens. Now down below me I see a comment stating that pathway to citizenship and open borders are 2 different things which is entirely true. With a pathway to citizenship, that would allow the immigrants he was talking about to become citizens, pay taxes, and then they would get those same rights as other Americans because they're an American. I see here now that Bernie did vote Yes on the DREAM act which is fast track to citizenship. I think the problem was in the questions asked in the video which paints an unclear picture of his actual intent. The question was making America open borders, which is a very extreme proposal which Bernie then stated is not his intent. Then they jumped into the philosophical question; however the more moderate approach (pathway to citizenship) wasn't mentioned trailing the extreme proposal of open borders. So it didn't really address his views very well. He supports a pathway to citizenship proposal, which would then help these immigrants become naturalized citizens. Citizens is the priority to Bernie. Also the question was how he weighs foreign aid and poverty etc. now this question wasn't statistical and addressing the actual global poverty now just how he weighs his policies. He stated that the top 1% in the global economy own more than the 99% below, and that making jobs in foreign countries is a must. Thats how he weighs his foreign aid policies and in the global poverty rates. In the end I believe his statement was a direct assessment of the open borders policy which would degrade the american workers by giving off our jobs too easily to others. That's the philosophical weighing system he is using, and he realizes that an open border would be disastrous to American jobs which he has denounced before, letting American jobs go to other countries where they can pay less than here, only in this situation an open border would allow those jobs to take place here for cheap.

[@Krypttor]

Thank you Bernie! I'm ashamed of the left today

[@stp479]

Racist Biden/democrats are burying black and brown communities in unvetted, unvaccinated peoples from the world over. It's true systemic supremacy.

[@AnticomPhysicalRemover10]

I’m ashamed of the left in general.

[@chuckprichard3691]

Vox has spent the past 5 years calling Trump a "racist" for saying the same thing. The entire MSM has spent the past 5 years calling Trump a racist for saying the exact same thing.

[@_bob9740]

Fast forward 4 years and he completely flip flopped on this issue.

[@ShieldAre]

Really? Point to me where he says he wants open borders.

[@_bob9740]

@@ShieldAre he wants to abolish ICE and demolish the border wall, you doesn't need to be a genius to figure out where his policy leads.

[@LakeAndBake]

@@_bob9740 He voted against ICE under George Bush so it's not surprising that he would want to abolish it. He was also against the Patriot act that let the NSA steal our data and spy on us. He doesn't want a wall he wants efficient border control

[@Arun-MM]

@@_bob9740 He wants more illegal immigration/refugees. He has never said anything about increasing legal immigration.

[@QDibieYT]

_ Bob because the wall isn’t effective...

[@skeleton2082]

Ah, the old Bernie. The Bernie that didn’t support mass immigration and woke nonsense. I miss the old Bernie Sanders.

[@biboebbs624]

the crusader bernie is still against open borders

[@iyoutubeperson4336]

If bernie had kept this policy and had not gone woke he would have won the nomination

[@hnys7976]

Still the same. He believes that the illegal immigrants already here should have citizenship then and now. Besides his popularity has been increasing in the past couple of years.

[@iyoutubeperson4336]

@@hnys7976 he got 43 percent in the 2016 primary, in 2020 he got 23 percent. In 2016 he focused way more on economics and barely touched social issues, this time he tried to pick up minorities by focusing on social issues but ultimately did worse in working class areas he won last time such as michigan and west virginia

[@hnys7976]

@@iyoutubeperson4336 He still talks way more about economic issues.

[@iyoutubeperson4336]

@@hnys7976 except that he touched on it less in 2020 than on 2016

[@parsatayebi7652]

He didn't go woke, and that's why he lost the nomination; because every single Demorat was working against him

[@austinballard3818]

My god.. first of all.. kinda funny that most Bernie supporters would outright deny that Bernie ever said this.. but second.. I finally found something i agree with Bernie on.

[@bellacarlyle1017]

I would love to know if this interviewer would still be for open boarders if most immigrants coming here had skills in journalism to compete with him and his friends 🤔

[@pebblepod30]

@Elias Håkansson No it isn't because children in school in the US will have the opportunity to go in almost any job given their work & ability. Someone Forcing Entry & Settlement into the US is far more likely to seek a low wage job and push the wages down for the US workers. That disproportionately effects PoC. Automation does it even more. But even with Yang's proposal for the Freedom Dividend, he is against Open Borders because otherwise millions & millions of poor would come to the US seeking money, and you would be overwhelmed.

[@insaneone4369]

I ve grown up around Mexicans my whole life. Some actually put in the work and become citizens abd and learn the language. They adapt. But theres groups of them who don't want citizenships and rather ride the system and remain illegal. Facts.

[@insaneone4369]

@@libertarianheretic412 I went to college and they rather hire a bilingual with no college education over me. Explain that one.

[@ohiostate129078]

​@@insaneone4369DEI it's been around for a little while now.

[@ArcherNoble]

yup he changed his tune real fast when the money got to him.

[@robertostapenzki549]

When the left still had a brain.

[@lonely_meistersinger2794]

as a r/stupidpol redditor I aprove

[@GerNiels]

As a Trump supporter, i must say i'm impressed by this. More common sense to the man than i gave him credit for.

[@garshtoshteles]

That tends to happen when you actually listen to him speak lol

[@NewTide-cr6qp]

​@@garshtoshteleshe's sold out in order to fit in with neoliberals.

[@arandomzoomer4837]

>That's a right wing proposal which say essentially there is no United States Yes.

[@krissjames7276]

So much for Bernie being honest and principled - dude supports open borders even though he KNOWS that it hurts the working poor.

[@meteoricpotato8541]

he is weighing options tbw

[@CantoniaCustoms]

I support open borders.... In China and Israel.

[@L333gok]

Another interpretation is that he knows he’ll never win while being so far outside the Overton window. He has to compromise on a few issues

[@mikedolphgren6243]

Hey remember when Bernie was cool and didn't sound like a koch brother himself? I remember.

[@peddazz2365]

he was never cool and I also didn't expect much integrity from someone who has not worked an honest job in his life and preaches socialism and fight the power while owning 3 houses and what but remember kids "FIGHT THE POWER" (does not include government power)

[@peddazz2365]

@Digitalcatcher "senator honest job" the delusion

[@deidaraer]

Love the arguments, Bernie! Open borders “make the nation poorer,” because big business can pay undocumented migrant workers far less than American ones, hurting both American and migrant workers. You couldn’t be more correct! I’ll take your advice from four years ago and vote for Trump!

[@hunderslash]

r/yesyesyesno

[@deidaraer]

coolgamer87 3 Well, he sure doesn’t believe that any more with “medicare for illegal immigrants”

[@UnwaveringBackBone]

Exactly 😂

[@dukekenny9340]

Americans are not for illegal immigration

[@Gr8gg787]

Funny how times have changed lol. I like this version of Bernie Sanders unfortunately he changed his tune once Trump said the same thing he was saying.

[@warofnoise5394]

well, he wants to put a moratorium on deportations, abolish ICE, and decriminalize border crossings..... sooooo........... does that not amount to open borders?

[@Bike_Lion]

Unfortunately he's flip-flopped. Bernie Panders!

[@Anon-md5ep]

That doesn’t mean the border opens. You still will need to go through customs to get to America, and you are able to face deportation if you commit a crime.

[@petereberle]

Bernie was smart before he got all woke

[@Evili555]

He too old he got woke and now he support open borders.

[@hnys7976]

Hes been woke his entire career you fool.

[@RollerBear123]

@@Evili555 there isn’t one politician in DC who supports open borders

[@RollerBear123]

He holds the same position to this day

[@thatleftyjames2893]

@@RollerBear123 No he doesn't though, he would never say what he did here today.

[@paulyou4629]

Anybody with an ounce of knowledge in immigration of the US should oppose open border.

[@Arkiasis]

Sad how even Bernie has abandoned this and now even this view is considered "racist".

[@muzzer3726]

💯👌🏾

[@Michael-mh2tw]

When did he abandon it? Link?

[@jb5508]

Nobody can deny this

[@pretendamnesia]

No open borders? Sounds a lot like President Trump!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TheseBitchesWantNikes]

jgonzalez Don’t fall for his Jew tricks.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Immigration isn't a binary issue. Sanders has a sensible, moderate position on it. Like most of the population.

[@user-hs4dm9xq5e]

actually, if you raise minimum wage to 15$ an hour,you will end corporate welfare scheme called cheap immigrant labour. people in US are themselves willing to work fot 15$ an hour, it is hispanics that are willing to slave for less and rely on welfare.

[@oldfashionrealamerican7458]

@@user-hs4dm9xq5e lol no you won't people will still come here illegally, our government is a joke on that issue

[@yucansuckadee8930]

What happened?

[@thenotoriousgigachad3455]

This was Bernie what used to be before he sold out to Wokeness!

[@MichaelShulski]

We should lock up those Marxists and woke people. Stick em in jail like Joe McCarthy did. Bring back the Red Scare, COINTELPRO, and Operation Mockingbird. Freedumb.

[@johnthomas1422]

Bernie believes in strong borders. KEK.

[@dgeo8939]

if he does why did he raise his hand during the last debate when all the candidates were asked if they support open borders and free healthcare to illegal immigrants

[@DrLimbic]

And that's why the Dems are going to lose the election. Not just because of this one issue, but because they have embraced the far left platform as a United front and left majority of the voters behind. Shame.

[@rburp123]

@@DrLimbic Bet.

[@thatleftyjames2893]

If Bernie was still like this I would vote for him without question

[@Dash277]

I forgot how annoying Ezra Klein is.

[@XavierXonora]

He's right, we need to help the countries these economic refugees are coming from, not simply tell everyone they can go live somewhere that (sorta) has it figured out. That's just unsustainable

[@georgetoscano1432]

Right! Because we have infinite resources! So much that we can't even help our own homeless, our own Vets, and our OWN struggling minorities!

[@LEFT4BASS]

Open borders a right-wing idea? Really? And then he goes on to say that mass immigration would make Americans poorer, like exactly what republicans have been saying for years. I’m not even taking a side on the issue, I just think it’s amazing that he somehow construed the right-wing as being in favor of open borders.

[@bernkbestgirl]

The Koch brothers and numerous people on the libertarian "right" (if you consider capitalist right wing) are for open borders, and have been for a while. This is why Trump and Bannon use the word "globalist", because it's not just leftists pushing for open borders. The Koch brothers are globalists, and on the issue of immigration they are no different from Soros.

[@pgood7266]

The Koch brothers aren’t right wing, they support any side that benefits them

[@LEFT4BASS]

@@bernkbestgirl Actually, there's an important difference between globalism and globalization. Libertarians support globalization, the tearing down of barriers that stifle trade and immigration and free movement. Globalism on the other hand is a movement toward planning the economy and laws on a global basis instead of a country by country basis (if I understand right). Even libertarians mix the terms up sometimes. And libertarians, despite what some people try to claim aren't really right or left wing. I don't know much about the Koch brothers.

[@V-Smith]

@@bernkbestgirlSoros is LEFT wing

[@JasminLeblanc]

So how is Bernie and Trump views on jobs and immigration different?

[@suckswithpivot]

Bernie doesnt mind who immigrates, as long as there is some kind of limit on the amount and how easy it is. Trump doesnt want Muslims to immigrate and wants to build a border wall.

[@suckswithpivot]

***** Well theyve stopped because net mexican immigration is down. More people are moving back out than are moving in

[@darthvader7888]

They aren't. Both are freedom hating statists.

[@jimmorrison3657]

How? When did Bernie Sanders ever propose an idea that disregards civil liberties? If you actually do your background research on him, you'll know he never did, and he always been a vocal opponent of spying and the PATRIOT Act. Bernie just believes in everyone working together and a pro-people government. Hillary and Trump disregard the first amendment and believe in mass surveillance. Trump also believes the government can seize property at any time and believes in opening libel laws.

[@angelusvastator1297]

Umm didn't Trump speak out against political correctness, the driving force that is destroying the 1st Amendment?

[@therealestg9]

SO WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAYS THE SAME THING, HE'S CALLED RACIST. WHEN DEMOCRAT BERNIE SANDERS SAYS IT, HE'S CALLED SMART AND INSPIRING? GIVE ME A BREAK

[@mattm.3409]

What? Donald trump said that people coming across the border were rapists and criminals It has nothing to do with what Bernie said

[@cristian-si1gb]

Donald Trump is an idiot that has no idea what he's talking about.

[@seananthony7494]

***** I didn't know any idiot can be a billionaire

[@cristian-si1gb]

Sean Anthony Ha ha ha!

[@therealestg9]

Matt M. His words got taken out of context by the liberal media, he was saying that the Mexican government has an unemployment problem and that they encourage their unemployed people and people who are in jails there to move to the US since we give them so many free benefits. That is 100% correct. It's a serious problem and if you choose to ignore it you're part of the problem. Our country doesn't have the money to support an open border unfortunately. Remember that Trump the next day himself said that he has no hate toward Latino individuals, he was just making a point about the policies of the Mexican government. But of course, you're never going to hear that reported in the liberal news.

[@mybldyvlntn]

I never though I'd be able to get Bernie Sanders to make my immigration argument on my behalf lol

[@YEC999]

BUT he competely flipped on this..

[@mybldyvlntn]

@@YEC999 That's the whole point.

[@danceonyourtoes]

@@mybldyvlntn uh no, he did not. he is completely consistent with this and every other issue.

[@mybldyvlntn]

@@danceonyourtoes lol, good one.

[@Evili555]

@@danceonyourtoes he legit said open borders now

[@wilhelmh7777]

Very reasonable man to listen to. Even though I lean to the right, it's clear to both sides that the nation state is the most optimal structure of society for it to work.

[@christophekeating21]

He's completely flip-flopped on this issue. Now he's for open borders! Someone needs to confront him on this.

[@amineaboutalib]

@@christophekeating21 no he's NOT

[@sawlovesyou52]

It would have to not be a corrupt leadership to work. They never ask what the public wants as to how to do things the right way. What ever happened to of the people, by the people, and fro the people? The hole that is being created by our corrupt leaders will be impossible to climb out to any kind of livable ways for the common people.

[@burtonkephart6239]

Of course the nation state is. Just to question that is nearly treasonable idea in itself!!!

[@thetrollwhisperer]

So, a national..... socialist..?

[@PhilipJFry-qh2jg]

A Jewish NatSoc. 😂

[@TheseBitchesWantNikes]

This is exactly what I was thinking.

[@TheseBitchesWantNikes]

Don’t believe his Jewish lies though. He doesn’t want to abolish ICE to keep people out. He wants ICE to keep people IN.

[@leerman22]

@@actanonverba3041 Real national socialism has never been tried.

[@perperson199]

no, a left liberal nationalist. The sort of people who built Denmark.

[@tylert4827]

Why is the US responsible for poor people in Malaysia?

[@CoreyStudios2000]

Soulnds like he has some Donald Trump in him.

[@jamesline5103]

+CoreyStudios2000 Is that a bad thing? Only neoliberal businessmen want open borders and high levels of immigration. You cannot support mass immigration and a welfare state and increasing wages at the same time.

[@deyvissonbruno9997]

+James Line Oh no, not the welfare, we need to protect it. Fuck those who just want to work and get a better life.

[@jamesline5103]

Deyvisson Bruno It hurts working people as well which is what i said. All civilized countries have some sort of welfare state. Only primitive third world countries have no welfare state. People will not be able to work and get a better life if we have open borders.

[@jamesline5103]

Deyvisson Bruno Furthermore the economy is not separated into those who want to work and those who don't.

[@deyvissonbruno9997]

+James Line If you eliminate or shrink the welfare state, individuals who don't want to work won't be a problem and why would people be unable to get a job and improve their lifes? If they leave their countries and their families to come to USA it's because America offers better conditions to them. It's an axiom.

[@atlsooner85]

Bernie making sense before he sold out. What a shame.

[@gurdywolosz5245]

This was Bernie before he gave in to cowardice and self interest.

[@davonfryar-frazier435]

After*

[@southernman5839]

Can we trade the ones that hate everything about America for the ones that want to be here for the love of our country?

[@1201smokey]

I know quite a few USA hating people they can take. Hahahaha. Please come get them now !!!!!

[@TheStapleGunKid]

Surprising wisdom from Bernie here. I maybe disagree with his socialism, but I do give him credit for his willingness to acknowledge that America does indeed exist as a nation and has the right to preserve itself. That's more than one can say about any other Democrat in the primaries this year.

[@notayoutuber1856]

He changed his position on immigration, he’s pretty much open borders now too

[@TheStapleGunKid]

@@notayoutuber1856 Figures. I suppose I shouldn't have expected this stance to last.

[@user-lu5og5uf5v]

@@notayoutuber1856 no he's not lol

[@chucklloris8355]

This is what seperates Bernie from Alexandria cortez

[@toshiyaar7885]

We seemed to have given up on global mutual aid and use accelerated immigration as a band aid fix for everything. You can't have a healthy social service system with open borders

[@ozeald.7586]

exactly bernie, NOW BUILD A WALL!!!!

[@condew6103]

Much simpler, enforce the law. If you don't at least have a green card, you cannot work in the U.S., period. You can be a tourist, you can't take a job. The IRS knows who is working illegally in the U.S. by the duplicate and phony social security numbers. Heavy fines for those who employ illegals would work much better than a wall; most illegal immigrants arrive legally on a tourist visa and then just stick around after it expires.

[@christianweibrecht6555]

ozeal D. Bernie opposes the wall

[@spuriouseffect]

Christian Welbrecht And that is why Bernie in not President. His logic is flawed.

[@salt27dogg]

Spurious Effect If we build a wall, daca people will BECOME LEGAL. If I was a dreamer I would be FOR THE WALL

[@pikapika3015]

How many time do we have to say this most people just fly to the US and overstay their visa's.

[@Cyttorack_]

Back before Bernie sold out :/

[@XXSomeDudeXX]

Dear Ezra Klein, Yes or no: Should Israel repatriate all 1.5 million Palestinian refugees to their ancestral homes? Inquiring minds want to know!

[@Terf1988]

"oy vey"

[@jaewok5G]

this gets funnier everytime I watch it.

[@americanpride5127]

Thank you Bernie. We can barely compete with them. At the moment I get paid 6 dollars an hour. And I work 70 hours every week. And still have to compete against immigrants who accept 5 dollars. There are so many unemployed. Its not that we are against Mexicans or immigrants. We just can't compete for wages anymore.

[@kmeccat]

What happened to THIS Bernie!?!!? Who got to him?!

[@Cod4Wii]

What he's trying to say is "Why make poor people poorer by allowing more poor people to come to America, without proper citizenship of course, and allowing rich people to get richer to the already corrupted wealth inequality of the nation?." In other words "You're making rich people richer if America is just one big sweatshop of poor workers." He's not saying, "Immigrants should stay the F out of America because we don't want you here." Whatever the case, I think he came off sounding like a far right nationalist instead of left wing socialist by the wording of his argument and I guess he so far changed his views about this matter. Either way, he really thinks outside the box, something most politicians are afraid to do.

[@cspan1993]

Bernie is a white supremacist. He literally wanted to send nuclear waste from his white state to a poor brown texas town.

[@ohiostate129078]

Tell that Dementia Joe

[@reallynobodybutme]

As a staunch conservative, I agree with Sanders on this issue! (it is actually the only sane view regarding immigration)

[@tylerdipietro4201]

Really liked what Bernie Sanders had to say in this clip!

[@Day-dreamer488]

lol 4 years ago

[@JackCoxLoveNotFear]

We need borders so national governments can pass laws that suit the culture and traditions of their own countries. I would be great to be able to travel freely and settle anywhere we choose but first we would need to learn how to respect the people who are already there.

[@brianm7921]

Lol this one didn’t hold up well.

[@sorcelord65]

Bernie: The right is who want open boarders. Texas: don’t come here Florida: don’t come here Trump: Build the wall Biden: OPEN THE FLOOD GATES!!! Lol this is my first time listening to this dude and he lost me in 20 sec

[@zm1786]

the big businesses all love immigrants, especially one thats wont ask for raises under threat of deportation

[@jbhrs]

Bernie’s so right in this. I disagree with his a bit excessive tax rate but I admire his populism

[@mikeg4247]

i admire his senility, quite prominent in america these days

[@jbhrs]

Mike G that’s unfortunately true 😕

[@Anita.Cox.]

I feel like people forget that hes not far left or even left hes really really center left.

[@user-rr8io7gk1b]

He’s a flip flop.

[@Mark-zk3gu]

How?

[@ItsMcDude]

If you raise the minimum wage to $15, companies will just cut their staff and give those left the responsibility of all the workers they cut. All those unemployed workers will then try to get another minimum wage job, but they'll find it is now much harder to do, and it will only get even harder as automation slowly steals more jobs. Lots of major companies are already doing this without the wage increase. While people like Bernie will follow their moral compass, corporations won't. They'll follow the dollar, like they always have, and it will lead to more unemployment and cut hours. They will not sacrifice their profits for the good of the country. It's not in their nature.

[@ritavng]

Strange how there are always billions and billions of dollars to spend on war, no problem AT ALL, but stuff like health care, education, infrastructure, a OMG!!!!! HALP, HALP, THE US WILL GO BANKRUPT!!! And even more strange that there is NEVER a problem with CEOs getting millions of dollars in raises and bonuses, but giving the workers just a couple of dollars more an hour will OMG!!!! BANKRUPT EVERY BUSINESS, BANKRUPT US ALL, HALP, HALP!!! Hahaha.-

[@hashaborgonja]

When you raise the wage of workers, what do you think they will do with that money, horde it in their matresses or go out and spend it creating more jobs?

[@ohiostate129078]

​@@hashaborgonjathey'll price gouge us because the wages are up. Until they find a way to replace us with robots. That's pretty easy to understand.

[@bossbullyboy195]

It would be nice if be still thought this about immigration, but he cant cuz then hed sound like Trump 😅

[@mrmeener625]

two jews whose tribe has destroyed the US trying to figure out what is wrong???? hahahahah

[@georgemather9082]

You see I’m someone who is socially conservative but more to the left economically and this is the Bernie I thought had intelligence and wisdom, if he stuck to his guns, especially on this, he’d have been president easily. Sadly, he sold out to the neoliberal establishment.

[@JohnSmith-xq6cv]

I bet he doesn't say this in 2019

[@MrVandj1]

Just did bud. Bernie 2020

[@mialovely7864]

He just came out against open borders this week. He basically said the same thing he said here. Now he's got all the regressive left and corporate democrats calling him racists simply because he wants to protect the American peoples wages and labor laws first.

[@MrVandj1]

Mia Lovely thank you Mia.

[@TheseBitchesWantNikes]

Mia Lovely Where was this? Gotta link? I can’t find it

[@kaddogmad8327]

You were right.

[@nufanFE]

"Black youth unemployment is over 50%, we need to get these kids jobs" - "I want to raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour." The same guy just said these two things and wasn't joking.

[@aspieresearchmom]

#TheHippiesWereRight I used to not trust anyone over 30, now I don't trust anyone under 30. Young people today are so dumbed-down by corporate mainstream media

[@erica.antisell8886]

What a general comment. You are writing off millions of marginalized young individuals.

[@aspieresearchmom]

@@erica.antisell8886 I am going by experience online, being name-called "Boomer" and worse by young people who have no clue about the intricacies of politics even though they have the Super Information Highway at their fingertips. Perfect example is this young man interviewing Bernie, he is clueless about the real world, in fact he represents what we called "the establishment" back in the day, smh

[@davidkast3587]

Play this clip for anyone who says "Bernie is consistent."

[@OhNoFroBro]

He still doesn't believe in open borders

[@pajarazul]

He is consistent. Literally nobody anywhere is asking for open borders, and if you listen to his explanation it makes a lot of sense. No border = no nation-state.

[@pajarazul]

@The Life Analyst 1. Decriminalizing is not the same as "whoops there's no border anymore" 2. He wants everyone to have free healthcare 3. He's trying to reform immigration policy to make it easier for people to be processed into the country instead of putting children seeking a better life in border camps

[@jeramiekochlefl-bodner5965]

@The Life Analyst he's been pandering lately. its such a turnoff. it seems like he doesn't want to say he's against open borders as if it were to hurt his votes. he's costing himself more votes in the process. he keeps making emotional statements. "tearing babys from arms". but when watching this video, his theory is phenom. if he were to address sanctuary cities while proposing pathway to citizenship like he should be doing imo he'd get allot more support. because imo that is moderate

[@jeramiekochlefl-bodner5965]

@The Life Analyst im gonna put it simple what should be done. papers for everyone already here. police enforced immigration. end to all sanctuary cities.

[@anthonym9130]

The other big issue is that you can't have the kind of welfare state that Bernie wants and open borders

[@ohiostate129078]

Medicaid is expanding. Our border is wide open. Serious problems on the horizon

[@TedKidd]

Before he sold out?

[@gerard1657]

he never sold you, you're just immature

[@Terf1988]

@@gerard1657 - when was the last time he spoke out against open borders?

[@oo7moses]

This is the issue Sweden got wrong. And they are paying dearly for it.

[@jack_evoniuk]

This is a very unsound criticism. You can't say "the Koch brothers want open borders so they have a cheap labor force", and then cite unemployment numbers in your argument against admitting that cheap labor force in. That's quite a contradiction to make. Open borders is hardly a conservative thing. It's hardly even a liberal thing. It's... an economist thing. Sanders seems to just be blaming "the rich" for all the problems. His complaints are legitimate in many instances, but this isn't one of them.

[@condew6103]

+Jack Evoniuk Yes, yes you can say ""the Koch brothers want open borders so they have a cheap labor force", and then cite unemployment numbers in your argument against admitting that cheap labor force in." It's totally consistent. A glut of labor means nobody can demand a decent income. The contractor who cast my basement went out of business because of the competition from another company that did the same work with cheap, illegal immigrant labor. I'm happy to have a basement that wasn't built with slave labor, but now it's not an option; and men who were gainfully employed are now unemployed.

[@aneonrat]

Welcome to populism. Right-wing or left-wing, they're both disgusting dimwits.

[@johnnyriley6094]

Disgusting dimwits are offended that they were compared to the lying, tricky, demonic, and evil pigs known as populists.

[@alexkocian690]

You're right. Those that actually study economics are generally in favour of open borders.

[@Parasmunt]

Well said condew. And you framed it in economic terms too.

[@TheJoecardiff]

As a European I feel connected to these words

[@oldfashionrealamerican7458]

but sadly Euorpean union has open borders, and doesn't understand immigration

[@Yha1000itz]

@@oldfashionrealamerican7458 The European Union actually only allow open borders inside Europe. Not from outside to the Inside. When I came from the UK to Europe, I needed to show my Passport. And they asked me questions. Is the same if you come from Africa or Asia and try to enter to the Schengen Area in Europe. Europe have no open borders, at least not towards Africa and Asia. Not even with the UK and Russia.

[@spaghettiking7312]

Bernie is a true patriot.

[@Agelim]

I miss this Bernie

[@NewTide-cr6qp]

Unfortunately he sold out

[@forrestgump6065]

Bernie rocked the interviewers world view lol.