Best Acoustic Guitars Under $300

[@frob24]

Don't listen to the folks saying you talk too much. This is all great info for a newer player like myself. I really appreciate the video. It has been very helpful.

[@anthonymazzone980]

frob24 I have played for a decade these are the preferred kind of videos for people like me who care about specs and not wanting to read 20 pages

[@ravenjames3873]

he doesn't talk too much, besides your not gonna know anything if he stays quiet.

[@sabrinacordell6290]

Yes listen to the folks and learn how to make a presentation.

[@JonnyBoss83]

He should ONLY talk. His ham fisted playing and noise pollution is very upsetting. I'm glad I live in Leeds England. Far far away from this chump clown.

[@joelkasen8442]

sorry to be so off topic but does any of you know of a tool to get back into an Instagram account?? I somehow lost the account password. I love any tips you can offer me.

[@edwarddefreitas8916]

1. (2:13) Yamaha JR1 2. (6:23) Yamaha C40 classical guitar (package) 3. (8:17) Cordoba C1 classical guitar 4. (11:00) Fender DG-8S 5. (13:46) Fender CD-140S 6. (16:41) Ibanez AW54 7. (19:03) Yamaha FS800 8. (21:13) Yamaha FG820 9. (23:02) Ibanez AC240 10. (25:05) Yamaha FSX800C

[@drifty2271]

"Mission Failed"

[@dylan_vandy]

Thank you

[@chumpapii]

Mvp

[@Invictus13666]

But Chris put the time stamp in the description

[@sever427]

Which one is the best bro

[@michellebowen1194]

Sound Timestamps Yamaha FG-JR: 5:58 Yamaha C40: 7:51 Cordoba C1: 10:20 Fender DG-8S: 13:09 Fender CD-140S: 16:13 Ibanez AW54: 18:34 Yamaha FS800: 20:45 Yamaha FG820: 22:31 Ibanez AC240: 24:36 Yamaha FSX800C: 26:53

[@peterpanassow7814]

Thanks Michelle! 👍

[@Joy-up1eg]

Thanks man

[@horiyosi3309]

Hero

[@dpauls15243]

if you put a list of the guitars in the description it would help a lot

[@r.t.7925]

look up he did :)

[@christopherkrause3255]

I'd he included the price it'd be nice

[@clintcurtis9630]

Just bought a yamaha fg820 from Alamo Music. Can't wait to get it and learn some chords

[@tower_studios_dave]

I'm a pro musician, and have owned a top flight studio over here in England for the last 25 years. In my opinion, if you're looking for a budget to mid priced guitar you should consider Yamaha, Yamaha, or, possibly, Yamaha. The Ibanez is really good, but in my experience, nothing is as good as a Yamaha for price vs quality. Although I find the older Korean made ones to be better

[@HRG1402]

Dave Massey how is fender sir?

[@dougregula8497]

Absolutely agree 1000%. I’ve played for 29 years, Owned 50+ Guitar’s, played hundreds more. My Yamaha fg730 sounds/plays just as nice as my Taylor 214, but cost (used) about 900 less

[@oakleybrantley1319]

l play guitar to

[@devoltic8672]

john neilson was it?

[@mrhyde2484]

Agreed. I tried out many Martins and Taylors because I wanted the status I guess, but I kept coming back to the Yamaha's because they sounded great and were less than half the cost.

[@dianesmith3118]

I have several guitars over $500 and I always go back to an Ibanez that is from the 90s. It's the lightest guitar I've ever picked up...plays great and has sch an awesome clean bright tone

[@NealCaen]

which one is it exactly ?

[@joestriker2100]

Appreciated the honesty about the quality of guitars today because of the advancements in technology and manufacturing. You see a lot of hating from luthiers and others who constantly frown on manufactured machine made guitars.

[@ToddMelanson]

The Yamaha FG800 is a remarkable value at 199.99 or 229.99 - I've seen it listed new at both prices at different retailers. Great sound, playability, durability and aethstetics.

[@futuretechnology1344]

I do have Yamaha, FSX800C, for me is the best guitar that I never had, sound of this guitar is just perfect, I will recommend it for everyone who wants to buy new guitar I bought it year ago with 300$ and I checked it yesterday in guitar center the price still the same but I did see many other models the price went down. Thank you !!!

[@travishoover5224]

I have the Ibanez Artwood 340 electric acoustic and just love it. I have smaller hands and very easy to play. I get many compliments on how it sounds and looks.

[@clintwilson6380]

Those are nice and sound great.

[@system331]

Sooo happy I was able to find a Ibanez 240 for $170 dollars at my local guitar shop. Such a steal and so much fun to play

[@christopherbazzelle8122]

Danehh en tot

[@neilmartin99]

Yamaha FSX 800C is a winner. I also own a Ibanez AW54CE. Slightly over $300 but beautiful warm tone with strong low tones. I guess it's all subjective but I prefer warm as opposed to bright. If you have a larger budget than $300, the Yamaha AC1R is really tough to beat. They run around $649. I'll put that guitar against pretty much any sub $1500 guitar I have played.

[@PlenumGaming]

How does the AW54 compare to the Yamaha? I just ordered an Orangewood Morgan but am still tossing around slightly cheaper guitars to try.

[@ibwilliamt]

Great video, I agree that higher end Yamaha's are of quality construction and startlingly good sound. I'd throw the Yamaha FG840 in the best under $300 category though. I went to the music store to look at a vintage Guild OM, and picked up Yamaha 840 before going into the high end guitar room just because it was pretty. It had a solid top scalloped bracing abalone inlay and most of all, flamed maple back and sides (bright and loud). I played it for a bit and was amazed, then played a series of new and vintage Gibsons, Martins, Guilds and Taylors. I ended up leaving the store with a 300.00 Yamaha that has since become my daily player. It continues to open up as I play it and holds a tune better than any guitar I've ever owned. My only complaint is that they should have used a bone saddle and nut that would yellow with age if they are using ivory (not white) binding

[@ibwilliamt]

Disregard my last post, I just went on line and see that this model is 4-500 now

[@AlamoMusic]

Thanks for sharing! It’s a great feeling when you find a great guitar at an affordable price!

[@Fourchette22]

Great vid man!! I have a Yamaha FSX serie since 2004 and it sounds and plays better than many more expensive guitars... paid less than 400 for it with a stock pickup system. Yamaha rocks for the value. I really loved the Ibanez artwood 3/4 you played. Sounds great in this scale range.

[@MrCoffeekelly]

That's not a 3/4 guitar.

[@roflmows]

i just keep watching the tags flipping around like WHOOAAA...hypnotizing o.0

[@nataliaduran5196]

😂😂

[@captshoe69]

I didn't notice until I read this. Now I can't see anything else!

[@brianna6295]

What have you done ??? I cant stop now

[@andrewison4728]

I went expecting to buy a high dollar Taylor or Martin, and after trying all the guitars of my interest, I walked out with a Yamaha FGX800c similar to the last guitar in this video. I could see the quality in the neck and warmth right away. When you listen with your ears and not the price tag it's funny what really is the best guitar for the money. Had the money ready to expecting to pay $800-$1200 for the sound I wanted, but with the yamaha I paid $299. Sounded much better than the Taylor 214ce and fender 140ce. Yamaha had caught up with the other names for sure.

[@rebeltugFPS]

I usually hate videos like this - boring, long, and uninformative - however you really did a good job. You were very informative, played more than just 4 chords, and showed every guitars best qualities. Thank you.

[@kendall280z]

Finally a review where the reviewer plays a classical guitar the way it's meant to be played

[@matthewedwardhall]

thank you! you just inspired me to switch to a folk guitar. ive been searching for a warm acoustic,and it never dawned on me into now to go with a classical guitar because theyre playing style makes it sound different. you just played that classical guitar my way, and opened my eyes to the tone ive been searching for. good karma to you!

[@tryagainli]

Its great to be scrolling through videos to find a video from the shop that i bought my first guitar from

[@emilbaker7508]

I just watched this video, I like the price range that you offer. Especially like the Yamaha FG JR. We live in Corpus Christi, and our only decent place for guitars is Guitar Center. Like your Yamaha FG Jr they have the same package for $35.00 dollars more. We have a young son, and interested in playing. Bought a cheap Rougue just to get him starter, and it still a little too big for him. Our son really likes playing, and we are very interested in purchasing the 3/4 scale guitar from Yamaha. Thank you for the input.

[@kevincozens6837]

Thanks for the video and the comparisons of the 10 different guitars. A few of those guitars are available at a music store not too far from me. The only problem for me is that all these guitars are for right-handed players. I play left-handed. Your store only lists four guitars for left-handed players and none of them are amongst the 10 featured in this video. The music store not too far from me has about 1100 guitars for right-handed players and 150 for left-handed players and most of them are special order (ie. they are not normally in stock). For under $300 (US) I picked up an Alvarez RD26L acoustic (as a special order) and I'm considering getting a Takamine GC1LH classical (also not normally in stock). I also have to pay just a little more for the left-handed model vs. a right-handed version of the same guitar. I'm not sure why as I would think there is little difference between a left-handed and right-handed guitar other than volume of sales.

[@AlamoMusic]

Yeah it is never a fair shake for south paws. However, some builders like Taylor offer lefty models for no up charge. -Chris

[@charliedillon1400]

I feel your pain my lefty brother.

[@jonnywishbone2182]

Alamo Music Center Harley benton

[@jonnywishbone2182]

Charlie Dillon Harley Benton do good left handed checkout black and gold SC custom series£180bucks or something

[@burpeat8925]

Kevin Cozens the good news you can get second hand lefty guitars especially electric for less money

[@MustangGuru]

I have a Talent subsidiary to Gibson. Acoustic $119 Plays nice. Upgrading this year to a Les Paul.

[@jasecola]

Gotta agree about the FS800 being one of the best values in the entire world of guitars (electric included). I love mine and it ain't going anywhere. I'm actually thinking about picking up an Ibanez AC240 tomorrow to go along with the FS800.

[@kai.H]

J-Rod26 which one is better despite different material?

[@67ratsrule]

Dang it! Now I want one of those Ibanez art wood series! Plus an Ibanez hollow body electric that is at the store down the street from me. I love your reviews, and even though they give me a serious case of GAS, I will continue to watch. Thanks for posting.

[@petercalma1714]

Very knowledgable and informative. After viewing, I see that I want a guitar with a rounded arm rest bevel (Taylor). Frets closer together (Taylor). Rounded fret board (Fender)- Struggling to get my fingers around to the frets, I am brand new to guitars - and cut away for closer fret access toward the body as I improve. Is there a guitar with all of these features?

[@davidtalarico127]

Hey guys I love your channel. It would really be awesome if you could do a video about 12 strings. !!! I'm looking to buy one and wanted more information about them! Thanks

[@AlamoMusic]

Hey David, thanks for watching. We just received some killer 12 strings. We should be uploading that this week. Be looking for it. - Chris

[@ngzcaz]

I keep reaching for the Artwood AW54 mahogany single cutaway with the onboard tuner when at the LGS. I have a D15M Martin and I'm still thinking of getting the Ibanez..

[@ngzcaz]

Well, its a year later and the Artwood AW54 ... waited for a 15 percent coupon and the right frame of mind and it's now mine. The 45 day trial period from GC makes buyers remorse a thing of the past..

[@kathygifford1920]

Fantastic video loaded with really interesting and useful information! I learn so much by watching your videos and appreciate that you explain everything simply enough for newbies like me to understand. Any chance you'll do a top 10 hollow body guitars under $1000?"

[@jessiemurray9421]

for us that are looking to learn guitar and you do a list like this i wish you would play the same thing on all the guitars

[@garyheaton4791]

I really do as well..and always have. Be it these lower end models, or $4000-9000 ones. The SAME song on both acustic as well as electric would be a HUGE help to everyone!! You do great videos bro..keep it up.😉

[@alansturgess1324]

Ibanez 3/4 surprisingly good when compared to the others.

[@ME-ru4hv]

Both art woods have deeper tone than the others. the small sounds "small" but still has more body than the others. surprising.

[@rainerivera3830]

I had a Yamaha once and it was so bad it left me traumatized 😅 but i love the ibanez ac240 artwood I've had it for 2 years and have yet to be able to put it down

[@ridekrisride]

Thank you so much for this video! It’s exactly the information I was looking for!

[@perfectnumber7783]

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. For this very inforative Video. I have been playing for for fun for years and really learned from you. Thanks... Great Video.

[@neilmartin99]

Just a word of caution. Some of the Yamaha FSX800C guitars come prestrung with D'Addario EXP 11 strings. Those are not the best for this guitar. Way too tinny sounding. Most come with Yamaha FS50BT strings from the factory. These are much better but are a bit costly to replace (around $15 a set). To save some cost, I have switched to D'Addario EJ16 Phosphor Bronze. It's a great compromise and run around $7 a set. I'll still occasionally throw on a set of the Yamaha strings.

[@alis.1490]

I will be getting the Yamaha fs800! Thx so much for this video. ☺️

[@barbies4you758]

Thank you so much for your video. I had gone through many of videos here on youtube, but seemed to like your presentation. I went to a Music store to help buy a guitar for a friend. I have been playing the guitar for some time and pretty much knew what to look for and what sound I wanted to hear. We both agreed out of all the guitars the Ibanez sounded the best, He ended up buying the Ibanez 3/4 guitar. I liked the guitar because of the sound, but in short the narrow neck is great for a beginner. I also liked the way the strings were close to the frets, something to consider for a beginner. We also went with the intentions of buying the guitar you like out of the display section, NOT lets ge you a brand new one from the back. You buy that guitar, the very one you played with fingerprints and all. The sound? Described as a 'Vintage Vibe', and a 'Nice Deep Tone to it' but I have to describe it as a very rich warm tone to it. When we got back to my place I gave it a quick tune and started with a finger picking arpeggio and my friend stopped me played and asked if I was humming along with the melody? I answered 'No' and he replied that it sounded like I was humming along with the tune. It happened again, and he stopped me, I answered it must be the way the guitar is made. Recap; For a beginner... Best guitar for the price and sound. A very warm sound, not that 'twang' or string sound but a rich and warm sound to it. Easy to play with a narrow neck and strings close to the frets. Buy the guitar you played not a new one from the back. Out of all the stores in the Denver area I could only find one store that carried the Ibanez and that was 'Guitar Center in Aurora CO. There is also a 'Guitar Center' in Fountain Valley CA. Maybe a store near you. Thanks again great video! Great Guitar!

[@Altazmuth]

Thank you for this information. It's helpful. Any suggestion for those of us smaller hands people?

[@alanhamel3577]

Awesome stuff! Thank you!

[@allstuff971]

Any chance you could list them with price in the information section?

[@sowhatitsjustme]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

[@InsideTheStadium]

Amen Amen Amen ❤️ 🙏🏽 Thank you Jesus ❤️ You saved my life and soul and I finally know peace. Thanks for the encouragement jiri, ❤️

[@InsideTheStadium]

Amen Amen Amen ❤️ 🙏🏽 Thank you Jesus ❤️ You saved my life and soul and I finally know peace. Thanks for the encouragement jiri, ❤️

[@Craigjordan121]

Spend a few more minutes tuning. High e was out on more than one guitar. That said, very helpful. Thanks

[@dancolley4208]

Listening to these budget-line guitars that sound surprisingly good reminds me that it's not so much the instrument, rather the player. One can tell the difference but they are not hard to listen to, like some cheapoid guitars. There is a difference between inexpensive instruments and cheap ones.

[@linconemartinez2651]

This! Shop so Cool Hope i buy Fender DG-8s My country Phillippines.

[@theknights8155]

I had a $89 guitar and it sounded decent to me 😂 it was unnamed but i want to upgrade

[@peecmkr45]

I wish you would have played a Yamaha FG830 and commented on it compared to the others at the $299 price point. I just bought one.

[@jimmoulton9878]

Hi, I believe your FG830 would be better than the ones listed at 299Jim

[@peecmkr45]

Jim Moulton Yamaha FG830 $299 at Guitar Center.

[@diesel1586]

how is it?

[@dannydunn2772]

@@diesel1586 I can answer this... excellent, and forget about"beginner level" label. It's right there with Taylor, Martin imo.

[@arechj]

Thanks -- very educational! Appreciate your expertise!

[@chanigon]

Very informative, thanks so much.

[@reetwarriors2072]

Hi.I am confused between yamaha fs 800 and FS 830 and yamaha fs 820..which would be bet..thanks

[@ahighernote]

Fantastic reviews. Thank you.

[@nelsonvega2919]

Thank you for the information on the guitars

[@kodiebutter6632]

Idk. I am a Yamaha fan as well but it recent years, they don't seem to dominate the cheaper market anymore. Even small bodies, you have Ibanez Alvarez, Mitchell, Washburn and great ones like Bristol, some recording king's, etc that tbh in many ways surpass Yamaha. There are so many more companies that make really good guitars in this range, I will say that Yamaha are probably more consistent than many. Bristol tho, I am amazed at what they do with laminate woods and plastic components. They get slept on alot

[@Ultraz1999]

Hello! I'm planning on acquiring a new guitar for future gigs and covers and I was wondering if you have any guitars to recommend! I'm looking for smaller guitars (15/16 or 3/4) which have decent/good electronics and balanced tone. Budget-wise, preferably below 700USD :) Thanks for the great content and keep it coming! 😁👍🏻

[@nickaclaus]

What about the Yamaha FG 830? Hard to beat that guy for under 300.

[@RichardChau]

Great review very informative and nice presentation, thank you

[@brianmorris8045]

I bought a Yammy A3R, and sadly it wasn't under the 300 bucks, nevertheless it is a beautiful guitar to play...well it should be given it is a tad over 1200AU bucks. I did play a lot of cheaper Yammys around the 300 mark, but on looking for new acoustics, there was something missing, which I couldn't figure it out, even for putting all those guitars through the best acoustic amp available in the respective instrument shops.Then one day I decided to go to a local store near me...and funnily enough, picked up a guitar i am sure I saw before there, picked it up, the store assistant put it through front of house on the shop PA sytem and I was sold on it...it is the sound I didn't notice before when I did that...only problem with this beautiful guitar, it and the guitar case together is very heavy to carry around. But I will put up with that for any good sound...but now on the lookout for a travel guitar with a similar sound for busking...still looking for that...some have come close to the sound of my guitar and not too bad a price either...the travel guitar will go through my busker's amp, a Roland Cube Street, and leave the A3R for all the gigs...

[@TatianaBalashova]

Thank you for the video!

[@gracegrace4116]

Thank you very much, nice playing also!

[@elamorro]

great informative video . I just learn how to buy a guitar

[@larrypeterson4945]

Thank you for doing a great job explaining features and differences in guitars. Would you assist me to find a guitar that looks and sounds like the old 62' "Martin drednaught"? I can not afford the "real deal" but would be satisfied with a knock off.

[@garyheaton4791]

Well..how about it?😀 I would like a 1962 Martin knockoff too..think you can get one for say...ohh..under $500?? Ok...even a grand?? What about it?? We WILL be waiting...😬

[@eddieduke6799]

i just got a new Epiphone pr150 jan 7 2018 i love its a dam good guitar ...got it guitar center in dallas texas 99'00$ 108.00 set up 100% perfect .. i bouth the guitar off the wall ....not a new one in a box

[@tanmay91patil]

I find Nubone nut and saddle on both Fender DG-8S and Fender CD-140S have which is contradictory what you said.

[@rohitgaikwad496]

Hello Sir My budget is around 💲150 Kindly suggest me model for buy Cort, Yamaha or fender and which model

[@garymbond007]

Who ever was dogging Yamaha guitars obviously never played one. Yamaha make guitars as good as dirt bikes. Thanks for the video I'm torn between the Yamaha and the Fender.... lol

[@steveharris2589]

Good video!!!)))🎸🎸🎸👍🏼😊

[@JayPypeVox]

I have a question for you guys at Alamo Music. Which is the better quality electroacoustic guitar: Fender Sonoran or Ibanez Talman? I'm actually surprised that the Ibanez Talman didn't make your list which is why I'm curious on which of the abovementioned two guitars is better overall. Thanks, guys!!

[@des.perado]

I just can't decide, should I get the Ibanez AC240 OPN or the Yamaha FG800/FS800, please help?

[@tpmemato7504]

what about the cort acoustic guitar? I think that may be the best beginner/budget guitar out there!

[@randallbowman7899]

Bought a Epiphone ft 100 to learn to play on. For the money it's pretty good. Paid $165 for it.

[@mattlott8766]

that strumming with the melodies was nice could you do a tutorial on it? if not then where can i find one

[@footfungus191]

got the ibenez dreadnaught when this vid came out got me started in guitar now im playing a les paul thanks man for helping me start guitar

[@DougHinVA]

a classical guitar lesson get you to stretch your fingers, recognize guitar music (not tablature), and play music that is different from strumming pop tunes and teaches you to play bass and treble lines together with both hands... and at 'open mic' nearly no one can play a nylon string guitar at all...

[@Hortense812]

I think the Alvarez Artist Series AD60 is a better guitar than all these on his list. It has a solid top, bone nut and saddle and sounds very nice.

[@stanwarner8700]

Could you do a video on the Chinese acoustic guitars ... I recently bought a Blueridge acoustic (by Saga) as a camp fire guitar, and it sounds amazing and the construction is unbelievable.... love your videos you say it the way you think it Thank You for that !!!

[@phillipholt6005]

There are plenty 🇨🇳 Chinese guitars but its good to play a Japanese guitar.

[@sherlenspankyhorn4680]

I like Yamaha guitars, although I have a Sigma , Fender , Luna , Bentley, and Washburn!

[@andrewray45]

I thought you had an eye patch over your right eye for 15 minutes. Turns out it’s just the bill of your hat lol

[@AlamoMusic]

LOLOL

[@powerwegy]

Oh that Ibanez artwood ac240 is just b, e, a, utiful!

[@luisbarillas7768]

I love the yamaha's. They sound great!

[@SpaceHaze1]

Mayson guitars are great too in low budget!

[@kaivrock]

Wow. That first one sounds awfully good. It could be the great Blue mic your using though.

[@martinet1985]

very good video!

[@sabintimsina5130]

Fender CD 60 CE all mahogany Acoustic electric guitar?

[@fawazalhoqail4846]

yes

[@Ataeginaa]

Yamaha FG800 vs Fender CD-140S mahogany, which one would you say it's the best ? Or maybe the ibanez ?

[@tomi210210210]

Raquel hi. I'D say go with Fender. In videos it doesnt really show, but if you hold them, the Fender feels and sounds so much better.

[@stratbastard]

thanks

[@xeloren]

Thanks for the great video! Would you recommend the FG820 or the FS820 for recording? I would mostly use it to record songs at home so i won't need the loudness of the bigger body, still i would be interested to hear your thoughts on this as i dont have a chance to try them and compare them at a local store.

[@AlamoMusic]

Ben Mornin the FS body will be more focused and will likely record better.

[@xeloren]

alright thanks a lot!

[@bb38313]

Find Alvarez. Best budget guitar out there and I've tried them all over 50 years. Retired my martin for my Alvarez. 300 bucks

[@kamerondutton2922]

I personly have had awful experience with Alvarez, it being my current and first guitar, I'm dying to replace it

[@jimmoulton9878]

Which model Alvarez did you get?Jim

[@darkcaliber9632]

What kind of song were you playing at 7:52 - 8:18?

[@souravchoudhury1106]

Hi, which one would you recommend - yamaha fs800 or yamaha fs820? I am looking for small body guitar, as I feel comfortable with those. Is there any other beutifyl (tone and playability) 000size guitar for under $300 you can recommend?

[@chuckHart70]

And stop giving great free advice and being so informative. Also, please stop teaching people what you know! (kidding) Thanks for the great vid! Haters die.

[@HipocratesR]

THanks for sharing

[@someoneonyoutube1993]

I'm looking for an allrounder as I am on my 1st year of self study. To be honest I can"t even strumming nicely yet. I am thinking of Ibanez ac240/ac340 or aw54 due to the low action. I own a Yamaha FG401a but the action is a bitt to high so maybe should I go with another Yamaha? How is the action on the FSX800C?

[@bobalooie12000]

nice playing ;-)

[@adrians119]

I didn’t like the aw54 I was at guitar center and it just sounded horrible compared to the yamaha fgx800.. I started to play six months ago with a 12 string Ibanez pf1512 .

[@rodstoakes1691]

Mitchell guitars should be among these. They're not just because your store doesn't sell them.

[@blendi3825]

That Ibanez ac240 is amazing 😉

[@justice1322]

I'm confused what to buy between fgx800c and fsx800c. I mostly do strumming tho.

[@stevensallaz3772]

HOW DOES MY 1972 VALENCIA CG-150 STACK UP AGAINST THESE?

[@grammyd8361]

What do you think of 70's Epiphone?

[@Jonathan-gx3jm]

Will you do a video on under 1000?