Expensive vs. Cheap Yamaha Acoustic Guitars | FGX5 vs. FG800

[@robertdavis1255]

Thanks for sharing... Yes I can hear the difference as you commented....I still play my FG470 SA & love it ...maybe I should upgrade but I am 77 yes old and just enjoy playing & 'singing" to myself....cheers..

[@northshorenick]

I love my fg470SA more than anything

[@moshemorgenstern9636]

I bought the FGX5 based on Chris' video a year or so ago. I'd saved up 4 thousand for either a Gibson or Martin. I realized I didn't have 4K worth of talent. So, after listening to his video I bought the FGX5. I've never looked back. That guitar sounds sweeter every day.

[@patmcdonagh748]

Good point.

[@clawhammer704]

What I did too.

[@Thegingerwolff]

Superb guitar. I also have the fs3 which is phenomenal in general. Had it a year now and it's matured amazingly. Still got the stock strings and it sounds so nice and mellow. Proper folk Machine. Cant wait for the FG5 to do the same

[@NytronX]

Save up for a Gibson SJ-200. Life is too short.

[@v2807]

Oh poop. You’re supposed to have talent to justify owning a nice guitar? Oops!

[@allisonholmesmusic97]

I can hear a difference, but I don’t know if that difference is worth $1,000. The FG800 sounds phenomenal for a $200 guitar

[@robertjannauta2638]

Precisely, although when I hooked up a pair of decent headphones the sound difference became bigger. Nevertheless, the price difference isn’t equal to the sound difference. The FG800 is simply a bargain! Besides that, I think the FG5 will remain his value better?

[@banjo1434]

The money is also in the playability of the neck, frets, weight, ergonomics, long term ownership, opening up of solid woods etc. The current sound is just part of the equation.

[@allisonholmesmusic97]

@@banjo1434 yeah I know, that’s why I play a Martin. I was really impressed with the Yamaha for that price point though.

[@jaysontejada3085]

You have to consider the pickup system on fgx5

[@dougbeale4847]

Will you play a guitar that sounds better, looks better, feels better more.....:-)

[@ToddMelanson]

While there is definitely a difference, the 5 being a bit smoother sounding overall, it is amazing how close the FG800 comes to matching it. Yamaha are the kings of consistency.

[@kj22697]

Fg-800 was my first guitar and it rocks. Great sound, and surprisingly durable

[@DemiHavok420]

About to go with a buddy to pick him out one. He was wanting a Taylor, but his last guitar got broke by his kids, so he is now thinking about going cheaper.

[@animechild1060]

I just got the Fg-800 as my first guitar, and I’m excited to actually try it out

[@RockNRoll__]

no one is asking

[@cleangoblin2021]

@@RockNRoll__ no one needed you saying that

[@HmongMWCyclists]

Does the guitar stay in tune?

[@hwanhee6896]

Japanese craftsmen are in a class of their own. Whether its instrumental, computers or automobiles. Hats off to Japanese craftsmen n women.

[@rosscampbell1173]

True, they’re great at improving other people’s ideas.

[@hwanhee6896]

@@rosscampbell1173 One of my Toyota SUV 18 yrs old and rides almost as new. Not a bad investment at their improving Henry Ford's idea.

[@eriksvensson2098]

@@hwanhee6896 *Karl Benz's idea.

[@briwood6328]

Is the fg800 model made in China or Japan

[@marcgallant5270]

@@briwood6328 china, BUT yamaha owns/operates the factory it is not outsourced. QC is spot on!

[@paulkline3011]

I have an FG800, FG3, and a 1972 FG200. All 3 are phenomenal guitars. My favorite is the FG200 mostly because it was my dad's guitar. He is battling cancer and just gave me his guitar. 😥.

[@tinkeringinthailand8147]

I bought a FG800 a few weeks ago and man, it is so much better than my old $50 guitar. my guitaring has improved so much over the past month or so and I put it down to the engaging sound from this guitar, I love it and this will be my last guitar. Great vid 🙏

[@chryzmagboo5362]

Yes i noticed that too.. it seems he easily played the fgx than the other feels like less effort on playing but it still sounds good, the other less but not that far in sound quality they both have unique sound and i like both of them

[@leodileodileo]

egraziearcazzo!

[@stvhwrd]

I’ve had my FGX5 for over a year now and I notice how awesome it sounds and feels every single time I pick it up. I returned a Martin D18 to get this thing and it was absolutely worth it. These are heirloom quality guitars that are bound to appreciate.

[@Rjhs001]

I had a mate who preferred his top-end Yam to a much pricier Martin. I have a basic Yam and I love it. Thanks for the vid.

[@estellaurelin]

14:02 I'm hoping u r not just laying in ur bed late at night watching this on ur cellphone. Me: *Click PAUSE and gets up from bed to sit on chair in living room*

[@NewDisciple]

Hahaha!

[@xmrcal2147]

You read my mind lol

[@peterdeboer9620]

I purchased an FG830 and an FGx3 at the same time so I could get to know them well. Money was not an issue. After playing them together at home for a week, I sent the FGX3 back. I have not tried the FGX5 yet. The 830 does not have a pickup, but I did not need one. I did like the FGX3 a lot, but the FG830 had finer clarity and resonance.

[@guanweihe7614]

@Zach fg830 owner here, the yamaha's 800 are mental. went to a music store near me to try out some more expensive guitars, and the only ones that sounded better than the yamaha were 2.5k or above priced guitars, its honestly mind blowing how yamaha are able to do this

[@JohnShalamskas]

@Zach Make sure you try the mahogany GS mini.

[@ciarancosgrave]

Hats off to this man for his presentation / communication skills.... aswell as his playing skills...

[@jumpngeorge]

I have never met a Yamaha I didn’t like. I stayed a hostel on the AT that had one and I played for days

[@RogerThat902]

Me either. I always look for an excuse to buy one even though I have much more expensive guitars that I love. They really make great stuff.

[@timdinwiddie770]

LOL, I bet I've played that same exact one you played at the office on Mt Leconte in Tennessee. That's the first Yamaha I'd ever played and it sounded great dead strings and all..

[@xmrcal2147]

I’ve been using FG800 for about 4 years now and I still use it everyday with no problems

[@StevenBrener]

The FGX5 had a richer, fuller sound and I had a feeling it projects better, but the FG800 was incredible considering the price point.

[@chrisb9740]

I recently picked up an FG800 brand new for $187. It is the best guitar I have ever heard for under 200 bucks. It has scalloped bracing just like my $3,000 Martin, and this Yamaha holds its own against it. I am stunned by how good it is.

[@ajwspjs2]

I liked the sound of the more expensive guitar. It seemed like it had a richer sound, more full, seemed like less buzz as well.

[@adamsacousticarsenal6573]

You’re videos have been good from the start, but as you’ve made many more over the years, your comfort level and the quality just gets better and better. Miss my time shopping at Alamo in my lunch breaks!

[@iDubElwood]

Absolutely love my FGX5, it wasn't on my radar until I came across Chris' review of it and the FSX5 from last year, one of the best purchasing decisions I've ever made.

[@banjo1434]

I like the way Yamaha are leaving out the name and letting the tuning fork icon on the headstock speak for itself. Alvarez are doing the same for their new master built acoustics and it's a nice touch.

[@sptster1200]

Have the FG730, a great sounding guitar. Just received the FSX5 and it definitely is a high-end guitar. The fit/finish and sound are remarkable. Much better guitar than I'm as a guitarist.

[@edwardbelcher8612]

I recently bought a Yamaha FS830 to use a travel guitar and to just keep handy for plinking on when I get the notion. From the factory, it was flawless but I changed out the strings from 12's to 10's and lowered the action on it and it plays as easy as an electric. It has been my go to guitar ever since.

[@SukalyanDas]

I thought Yamaha Guitars come with a sweet low action. No?

[@JohnShalamskas]

@@SukalyanDas Almost all mass produced guitars are shipped with a high action to mask a multitude of possible problems with the guitar. Dealers are supposed to set up the guitar for their customers but they often do not, and it's up to the customer to rectify setup issues.

[@iagobroxado]

@@SukalyanDas I just recently got one like the cheaper model on this video - action was super high from factory. The frets are perfectly fine though (but still needed polishing).

[@lylebonney3081]

Bought a Yamaha F335 guitar a few years ago on sale at guitar center for $99. Put some high end strings on it and I’m amazed by how good it sounds, especially for $100

[@robertpilavjian1091]

Just bought a F335 yesterday! Say, what kind of high end strings did you replace it with? Brand? Guages? Thanks!

[@lylebonney3081]

@@robertpilavjian1091 I like the Elixir phosphor bronze

[@lylebonney3081]

@@robertpilavjian1091 mine are .13/.056 gauge

[@lhvent]

My FG830 is a very nice guitar in its price range. The FG5X is an amazing guitar in its class. it all depends on one's budget and needs and wants. Amazing value on each.

[@davidhamlin7932]

I have the FG 830 myself I love it I decided to go with the tobacco Burst!

[@billdivine9501]

I’m considering buying the FG830 on sale at Sweetwater for $349.seems like a nice guitar for the price.

[@3cardmonty602]

The FG800 sounds fantastic for a $200 guitar. Ideal guitar for beginners, along with Orangewood guitars, some of the Washburn, & the Seagull S6 Original guitars.

[@sculptureshard377]

I have two Seagulls and the S6's tone is far syoerior to the more expensive Yamaha

[@Nicolaione]

@@sculptureshard377s6 is way more expensive than the fg800?

[@pepe3675]

@@NicolaioneFg830 is the best

[@70selvisfan]

I own a Martin DC-13E, and recently bought an FG 800 for a friend who wanted to get back into playing. I liked it so much, that I'm getting another one for myself to have around the house. It's no Martin, but it's got a great sound, at least to my ear. Great video!

[@tomrobinson987]

To my ears (and they’re old ears mind you), the FGX5 definitely sounds mo’ betta. But damn that FG800 is a winner for anyone who just doesn’t have the dough. Thanks for these straight-ahead reviews. They are incredibly helpful and very much appreciated, and brilliant, Chris.

[@RReg1388]

Got my FG-800 coming in this week. Man I’m so glad I came across this video.

[@dionst.michael1482]

Ewww! Too much information dooood! Too much information 🍆💦 #Prevert 😂 Just joshin’ ya, friend. Nah but seriously ;)

[@frankklive3921]

Bought an FG800 to be my campfire/couch/travel guitar and it does the trick and then some!

[@kucingtigers]

Same. It'll sound even better in 10 years!

[@seanhallahan14]

Another great video on a terrific topic! 3 times I've gone out and played 50 guitars and many Yamaha's. I can tell you that the sound of the Yamaha Red Label 5 is AWESOME. Just pluck the low E and your knees will bend, your heart starts racing. FGX Red Label 5s stand up to any factory anything at any price, depending upon your preferences. Through this sampling I bought an FS800 because I wanted to cut and finish my own multiple sound ports. It worked out great. Had I known more, I might have chosen the Yamaha FS830R to do that. C'est la vie. FG800s are in fact great $199 value, perhaps the greatest, but over time at home you'll start hearing the difference in comparison to your other guitars. BTW the FS800 set up was pretty good. Yamaha also has a full spectrum line above FG800's, above Red Label 1, 3, 5's, above their similar A1, A3, A5 Series and that's their L Series. I'd really love to know how various Yamaha L series, particularly the more accessible models, stand up to FG800 and FGX5's, or their A's. I go on record saying that Yamaha layered Rosewood in their A Series outplayed all the other solid non-Yamaha Rosewoods I'd sampled. I bought the Yamaha AC1R.

[@danhigginbotham9245]

Yes, I could hear the difference. Over the internet it is subtle. For us players that just play for therapy, I would have to ask myself, is that X5 ten times better? My answer would be no, so maybe I could spend extra couple hundred and upgrade the 800. Now if I had "to much $" and wanted a Yamaha, why not just get the X5? Great review 👍.

[@KB6YAF]

In 1967 or '68, my dad brought home a brand new Yamaha FG-180 Red Label acoustic guitar. I still have that guitar in my collection. I find myself going back to that guitar as it just gets better and better with age, even over my Gibson SJ-200. .....Russell D.

[@dionst.michael1482]

Crazy. My father also purchased an FG-180 red label guitar back in the late 60’s except he played that guitar almost every single day and gigged with it almost every single weekend for 40 years until the fretboard was simply to worn to play easily any longer. That was about 25 years ago now but I still have it packed away in a safe place. But when I saw the new FG line it literally brought tears to my eyes. Brought back so many warm memories from my childhood growing up that I knew I had to have one. About a year ago I even drove 6 hours round trip to the Province next to ours to try out an actual physical copy of one but didn’t pull the trigger because I get laid off in the winter time and was afraid to spend all that money. Then I spent this last year regretting it and then just this past Christmas my father ultimately passed away at the ripe old age of 75 years old. So recently I decided to see if I could find one in stock somewhere near my hometown when I saw that one came available at a store almost 31/2 hours away from where I live. I literally just paid for it and ordered it today, about 2 hours ago…and I can hardly frikkin wait. You’re the first person I’ve told! Lol! Take care friend 😢❤

[@shaynme8560]

I had the same question in my head as i saw the fg800 on sale in a store near home whilst searching for a fg5/fgx5... it was almost a times ten price difference Nonetheless, i think it’s not just about hearing the sound but the playability, the feel for the guitar, for the vibrations, connecting to it, growing with it, loving it and mostly it will make you come back to play again and again and again for hours/months/years to come... It’s not like buying a toothbrush, or a shampoo... buying a guitar is like a bond you create with your creativity, your soul and it connects via your heart so your heart has to approve to get you going through art and emotions... To put in a nutshell : never ever trust a youtube video to make a solid statement on a guitar (or any product really)... many of the youtube world have sponsorship and pretend a thing to be bad (but it’s not) and vice versa... My comment isn’t pointing on Alamo music particularly, but to avoid misunderstanding and say that one is bad and the other is good... no, they’re both good but one is better... which one? Go try and figure it our for yourselves (budgetwise and soundwise) So take your lazy a$s off your chair and go try stuff before buying... except if it’s Amajon guitar, you already know what to expect 🤣🤣 Btw, Alamo music, Chris McKee, keep up the good work, you amaze me every video and i enjoy watching them! Congrats from Paris, France Shayn

[@theocorfiatis8456]

Everything you've mentioned about the issues with the FG800 is the same as the issues with the FS800 which I have. I've just modded the FS800 by changing the tuners to Gotoh 301s ($30 for a set), shaped a new TUSQ saddle ($10 for compensated saddle blank), increased the string break angle at the bridge, changed the neck profile so it feels more sleek between the nut and 3rd frets and stained and urethaned it. Made sure frets had no sharp edges, and there were no high frets, so every fret is perfect after evening them out and re-crowning. After a week I played it with D'addario 11-52 nickel bronze strings, and it beat a $1300 similar sized guitar in terms of sound and playability. I already had all the tools necessary to do the fretwork, but all up with tuners, hand wiped urethane satin finish and stain the entire upgrade cost around $65. I ended up selling the $1300 guitar. I've had the FS800 for 6 years and played it a lot, so the top had opened up nicely. With the upgrade, it's sound improved considerably, becoming a lot less boxy sounding, louder and more resonant, with a lot more sustain. I'm going to add a bone nut eventually, and expect some more improvement in the sound. But all up, these less expensive Yamahas are fantastic guitars for the money and if you want to learn to do work on guitars, or just play them, very satisfying to work on or play. For the price, some of the best made guitars I've seen anywhere. The FGX5 sounds fantastic, and yes it is a much higher quality instrument, both construction and sound wise, and would need no modifications to sound great. Like all Yamahas it punches well above its price point, and competes well with some more expensive and iconic US made guitars, some of which I own. I agree that the FG800 is amazing value for the money.

[@DaveHuber1]

Love this

[@rickdavis2235]

I had always avoided the newer entry level Yamaha acoustics but I kept seeing great reviews on the 800 series so when an FG830 came up on Facebook Marketplace for $200 with a fitted hard case, I jumped on it. I questioned the seller because it was way too cheap. He told me that he had taken it in trade for some electronics and wasn't a player so he didn't really know what he had. When I met him, the guitar was in "like new" condition and still had the plastic on the pick guard. There wasn't a blemish on it. The action was a little but I assumed it had ever been set up. I took it to my luthier friend and had him do a set up on it, checking everything out and replacing the plastic nut and saddle with bone and plastic pins with ebony to warm it up a bit. He topped it off with a new set of D'Addario EJ16's (12's). The set up and bone cost me $175 so I had $375 in the guitar with a hard shell case. The sustain and tone is incredible. I put my Yamaha AC1M back in its case and play the fg830 all the time now. The fit and finish is better than a Gibson Hummingbird I almost 8 years ago. I'd put this Yamaha up against anything 4 times the $349 price tag of a new FG830.

[@colejohnston8031]

Yamaha Red Labels deserve some love, thanks for giving it to them!

[@allarson2918]

I love these videos Chris puts out. I bought the top of the line FG850 based on Chris’s FG800 Series Demos and others. To answer the question can I hear the difference? Yes. The FGX5 sounds more balanced and a richer sound with the all solid wood construction. I had to play this back a few times with headphones on as it didn’t stand out as much as I thought it would when I ran across this video. If you really want to hear the FGX5 shine watch and listen to Chris’s full review of the FGX5 and FSX5. I don’t know if the setup was better or what but you can really hear the sound quality ring out in that video you’d swear it was a cross between a high end Martin and Taylor. After watching that video I immediately wanted one. After watching this one, I went back downstairs and played my FG850 but I’d still love to have the FGX5.

[@Wobbz9413]

FGX5 is top of the line......for FGs. There is also an L series line, with the LL16, 26, 36, and 56 all featuring all solid construction, A.R.E. treatment Scalloped bracing, and the higher numbers are hand made in Japan!

[@allarson2918]

@@Wobbz9413 when I say top of the line I meant for the FG 800 series. For a laminate guitar, the craftsmanship and sound is fantastic. I did wind up trading it about a year later for the FSX5. I got a really good deal on a used one that was brand new during the pandemic that still had the protective wrap on it. The Atmosfeel pickup system is superb.

[@Wobbz9413]

@@allarson2918 yes. I love the FGs. I have an FG820 and would love an FG850. Also have two LL16s. Cheers.

[@texhaines9957]

The FGX5 sounds deeper, fuller through headphones. I have donated FSXC800 for beginners. What does the FG800 sound like compared to an Orangewood guitar?

[@piper3813]

I have fg830, fg850 and Orangewood Echo. I personally prefer either Yamaha over the Orangewood because of the way they feel in my hands while playing. Orangewood is very nice sounding also. I just prefer the feel of the Yamaha fg. I did have my luthier setup and put bone to replace plastic nut/saddle on both Yamaha. I couldn’t be happier with the outcome.

[@ToddMelanson]

There's a little tiny bit more low end response in the FGX, but otherwise they sound virtually identical. Amazing! Having owned three Yamaha guitars, I can say I've never been disappointed. They are incredibly consistent.

[@socalsp3]

playing this through studio monitors. yes there is a difference in sound and tone. X5 has more clarity and fullness.

[@michaelhotten752]

Love my FG800. Did have to lower the action (twice) and experiment with strings (EB lights) but am really happy with it. The tuners are -- as Chris said -- have a little slop but the guitar stays in tune for days so no biggie. I have sat in a big box's guitar room trying all manner of acoustics at its price and up to three times as much and really have hard time finding anything that matches the quality. That said, would love to have a red label of today or the 60s.

[@brettrichardson4881]

I have my eye on an FG5, but availability seems limited in the states. I'd jump on this in a heartbeat to buy if it was about 10-15% off it's current list price. I want the FG5 vs the FG3 just to support the japan factoriy, as a long time red label owner. Also props to the video here for the detail. didn't just read specs, i like the discussion on bracing and wood choices. good job

[@tunedime]

And now ur selling it?

[@brettrichardson4881]

@@tunedime have been thinking about it. It's an amazing guitar

[@axel.lessio]

Yamaha's guitars have these incredibly focused and projected tone, they are wonderful... unfortunately, not every great guitar can suit every guitarist, because when I tried a good Yamaha it was so focused and projected it competed too much with my voice, especially when recorded together. It's almost like I need a guitar with worse projection so my voice doesn't suck in comparison.

[@lebe220]

Ha, same problem here. I have a Takamine top model. I love it for recording (fingerpicking) and live on stage, but I will write my songs on a cheap small beginner´s guitar from Framus (1964). It has less sustain and sounds like from LOLA by the Kinks. A guitar shop owner told me that middle size mahagony guitars are more suitable because they sound woodier and warmer. Greetings from Germany.

[@freddunavant5584]

Very good presentation! I'm a guitar lover and have been playing for about 40 years. Even though I listened to this over my phone I could tell a difference. The red label has a deeper, richer tone. I may listen to this tomorrow using my headphones. But, the difference is there and is solid.

[@JohnRotonto-ql9ds]

If you want a 800 series for more bang for your buck. Get the FG830 with Rosewood b&s. Abalone rosette. And all around binding including the headstock. Nice die cast tuners. All for a mere $350. I had mine for a couple of weeks now and the sitka spruce top paired with the rosewood back and sides is a hell of a combo. Nice bass, rich overtones, high end sparkle and clarity. You can't go wrong with this axe! Plus it's aesthetically pleasing to look at. 👍👍

[@paulschneider6202]

Good advice, thanks man!

[@1er584]

if you make a living out of it, I think that the difference in the price will be recovered in a couple of days. I am just playing for my dog at home and the FG800 is absolutely phenomenal !

[@dionst.michael1482]

How much has your dog paid you so far? 😂

[@dalecauthen9086]

Just bought an FS800 that was in a local pawnshop when I went in to pick up something else, for the one reason that it sounded so good ... also felt nice, well dressed fret ends, thin finish doesn't mute the wood's natural resonance and it just feels like a lot more expensive instrument ... at the price, it was a crazy good buy and I love hanging it on my wall between guitars that cost a lot more but don't sound as good.

[@lllazarrr]

You guys put out great videos, well done! I learned a lot from you about acoustics.

[@vs_830]

First time I listened to the contest as background, I several times check which one is which. Then did two more times to find out the difference. And I would say there is no moment of waterline when hair goes up due to the rich sound of the expensive guitar. It does not mean the expensive one is not so good. It means the cheaper 🎸 sounds very well due to modern technology. And if it would be blind test without story how Japan prime minister kissed every inch of the late I never say the cost has so dramatic gap. Both guitar are perfect. Yamaha is a great company and player is superb. Thank you again! I bought my Yamaha fg830 thanked to your love to Yamaha guitars.

[@eddiemoore8468]

I own a FG-335 made about 1977. A 1970 FG-180 and a 1970 FG-230 12 string. All these guitars are very good guitars. About every Yamaha guitar I’ve played or tried out has very good sound and plays well. Whether it’s a lower priced Yamaha or higher up the line model, they are great guitars. In my personal opinion, you can’t really go wrong with a Yamaha guitar.

[@hwanhee6896]

So true.

[@steveanthony4695]

I have the FG830 with rosewood lam back and sides.... love this guitar for about 3 years now. Hearing the FGX5 really makes me want one. I was looking at an entry martin but just changed my mind.

[@ShowseeTravels]

I own a AC5R and it is Amazing, I have love it as much as I do my Martin D16e. You strum it and the sound just goes and goes. Also the build quality of these Japanese guitars is super high quality. Yamaha guitars are as good as many many guitars that are far greater priced.

[@twinklesirola909]

but I can only buy one 16r or AC5r which one should it be?

[@ShowseeTravels]

Twinkle Sirola They are both super good, and both have great electronics as well. If I could only buy one, I’d buy the Martin 16e Rosewood. Why? Resale value. Not that you are planning to sell or trade, but Martin is the more sought after name. I’d go touch them if you can

[@ShowseeTravels]

Twinkle Sirola but I should also add that I always have my AC5r with me... so... I’d probably choose it. 😬

[@twinklesirola909]

The Martin name man, it's that dam name....🤤

[@ShowseeTravels]

Twinkle Sirola it is a really good name lol

[@brianjohnston4124]

This is a great video, but my math says you can get 7 Yamaha FG800s to one FGX5. Still a valid point and you do GREAT job laying out the real differences between the two models. Thank you.

[@JohnShalamskas]

Thanks for doing this video! The FGX5 has a lot more mids than the FG800 in this comparison. You can add more mids to the FG800 by using bone or TUSQ for the nut, saddle, and bridge pins. I recently bought a second-hand FG800 for a nice price, then immediately changed the strings to D'Addario EJ16 phosphor bronze, and changed the nut to TUSQ, which also lowered the action at the nut to a smidge above the perfect height without any action height fitting by me (maybe I fitted it to another guitar in the past? It was in my junk box :-). I also changed the bridge pins to buffalo bone, added a strap nut on the heel, and lowered the saddle for lower action at the higher frets. Now the intonation is greatly improved since the strings aren't so high, and it's a lot easier to fret the strings across the whole fretboard. The mids are stronger too, thanks to the bone parts. I plan to try a TUSQ bridge soon, but as it stands I am flabbergasted at how good this very affordable guitar sounds and plays with a little effort on my part to set it up. I also own a Blue Ridge BR-40, Taylor 814CE, and a Martin HD35, so I have high standards for how a guitar should feel and sound. The FG800 is a mahogany and spruce sound cannon, but it also responds very well to soft fingerpicking. It doesn't take much to get that top moving, thanks to the scalloped bracing. All of my acoustics have scalloped bracing to various degrees. Funny how that worked out!

[@cugir321]

My FG710-S sounds better then a 800 series taylor. How do I know? I did a sound test at guitar center with everyone turning their back. Every person picked the Yamaha as the Taylor.

[@spacetygrss]

I can definitely hear the difference. I just ordered the FGX5. I can’t wait for it to get here. Always been a Gibson girl, but branching out and excited about!

[@fredsmith3001]

I could really hear the difference, especially in the finger picked example. I have an FG-700S and I love it. It sounds great and I don't have to baby it. I'm happy taking it camping for example. But I also have an FG-180 50th which has similar specs to the FGX5 only without the electronics and it's definitely an order of magnitude superior to the 700. But guess which gets played (and enjoyed) more often...

[@RadioFreeJoe]

I bought an FS3. Such an amazing instrument, and beautiful to play. Great price and for only an additional $110 you can get ebony bridge pins, bone nut and saddle. At that point it's closer to an FS5... just built in China (Taiwan)

[@Ezemdi]

I never really was a fan of the Yamaha sound, but this video has changed my mind. The FG800 sounds pretty good for the price

[@curtsingleton4383]

I've played quite a few FG 800 series and they are a phenomenal value (!) but the FGX5 just sounds so much more rich with sonorous mids and nice warm bass. Well worth the extra bucks for me but the 800 series can sure take a player a long long way.

[@ThomasDoubting5]

ive just brought a FG 800m the sound is inspirational with rotosound Super bronze 11 gauge , id have no issue getting on stage with it.

[@Saint696Anger]

@@ThomasDoubting5 how is it holding up? I'm looking at learning and getting one

[@dovan4092]

You can definitely hear the difference but not $1000 difference. FG800 is very nice for the price. To be honest, if I had it to do over I would have bought the FG800 over my Taylor simply because of how much more affordable it is and the sound difference isn't big enough to matter to me.

[@DerekSmyth]

I’ve got a Taylor 522CE and my mate just got a Yamaha LS6ARE. I would swap them if it wasn’t for my damn pride (and I got my taylor at 1/2 price)

[@lhvent]

I agree. I can not feel bad buying a guitar in my budget. My FG830 is a fabulous value.

[@brfam1977]

I have a 10 year old fg700 and it is a canon. I put a bone nut and saddle in it and had it refretted last year along with Grover tuners. People are shocked that what I paid for it.

[@Nappa74]

Great video, thank you. I found it really informative and helpful. I could hear the difference clearly, especially on the top notes, they just had more clarity. But that said when you started on the fg800 I thought it sounded great. Thank you.

[@IndigoJo]

Is Japan considered an 'inferior' source for guitars compared to the US or somewhere like Australia or the UK? Yamaha has master luthiers in Japan (see JP Cormier's videos on Yamaha master-built guitars) and some of its instruments retail for $7,000 and others for $3-4,000. I've seen reviewers say that the FG/FS5s are easily a match for a Martin D18 or 000-18. Professional musicians have been using Yamaha and Ibanez guitars for decades (George Benson, Pat Metheny, Joni Mitchell and Steve Vai among others) and in the 70s they were found to be better quality than US ones. Japan is a first-world country, not somewhere noted for cheap labour. If anything it's perhaps because of instruments like the FG800 that Yamaha has put its name on over the years that perhaps makes people associate it with cheapness. People assume it's a motorcycle manufacturer that also makes cheap starter guitars.

[@Crashcat]

Some people think because it’s cheap it will not have good quality and sound nice. Others are all in on the name brand recognition. A lot don’t know that Yamaha started out as a music company. Their logo is literally three tuning forks. It’s a combination of those aspects, like you stated.

[@RogerThat902]

I wouldn't say cheap, but really it's just "Not made in America" vs. "Made in America." There used to be quality issues back in the day with guitars made overseas. This added to the thinking that American guitars were better (though ask some Gibson buyers about the junk they put out in America). Also, I think the real "destination" premium brands have a cachet to them for whatever reason (history?) and that starts w/ their American factories. That being said, you are 100 percent right that it's silly. The Japanese put out some incredible guitars and it's not really a serious thing. It's one of those things that every just kind of accepts because everyone else accepts it. Probably because almost all the old guitars people rave about are old Gibsons and Martins made in the USA. Personally, Yamaha is in there with Larrivee as far as the best value for guitars. Yamaha's "issue" if you can even call it that is they are known for beginner value so people wrongly don't think that extends upwards to their more expensive lines.

[@TheSoulsandRevive]

Just my opinion and happen to concur - I think it's because of the MIJ copy guitars (Martin/Strats/LP etc.) that were made back in the 70's/80's (maybe earlier) that got the impression of 'cheap'. Japanese luthiers are amongst the best in the world (I was fortunate to see some at work) and in no way are the MIJ guitars or the luthiers 'inferior' to the west. Of course you do get your different levels of quality but the high end made models can really hold up to the big names like Martin/Gibson/Taylor etc. 'HEADWAY GUITARS' is a perfect example of Japanese high end quality guitars/luthiers. If you have time have a look at the link. Cheers. www.deviser.co.jp/en/headway

[@liquidlogic7426]

Japan is considered the best among best in the world. From Janes Taylor to Glen Frey to millions of people. The Eagles chose Takamine for their @Hell Freezes Over Tour. “

[@IndigoJo]

@@liquidlogic7426 I thought James Taylor played Olson, an American boutique brand.

[@hvacguy8362]

I just got the FG800 last night and I'm blown away by the sound. For 200 dollars it's a steal and very well worth the money.

[@JohnShalamskas]

Even more so if you can find a used one for even less money.

[@morna45]

Price comparison saw me shrug my shoulders at a 1200 price difference. 1400 would get me a good Taylor, too. I'm not a hot-shot player, and from what I could hear, the FG800 would suit me just fine. However, tbh, I've grown accustomed to the grand auditorium size instruments because of my small-ish frame. But I did enjoy the comparison, so thanks.

[@AlsanPine]

i hear the improved sound as more focused. sounds as if you put it on a spectrum analyzer, the sound would be less leaky and more direct. sort of like what happens with my sight when i take off my glasses, i can still see things but they are a little fuzzy on the edges. for most people the cheap one would be just fine to begin with. once you have shown dedication to the instrument, it would be a treat to step up to the better instrument. thanks for the demo. it was very helpful 🙂

[@Sean_Plays_Guitar]

The biggest difference was not in the tone. It was in the clarity of which you played. It seemed as though you were able to execute more easily and cleanly on the second guitar. It seemed more intangible than literal.

[@Wobbz9413]

The guy sells guitars man! Hes always gonna make the more affordable one sound just a little less desirable. Only way to make truly informed decisions is to play them yourself in a good shop, that will leave you to make the decision! Having said that, these guys do very good review vids which do help in the early part of research.

[@scottbecker3485]

As an owner and lover of a Yamaha FG-TA (TransAcoustic, with built-in reverb and chorus), I totally agree with you on the value for money on Yamaha guitars! In fact, I love the tone and playability of the FG-TA so much that I find myself reaching to it almost exclusively, and not my otherwise glorious (old, nicely aged) Martin D-35, my Lowden 0-10, my Yairi, my solid-wood Voyage Air dread (travel guitar), etc. Why? Well, it‘s not as loud or as punchy and deep as my Martin, for example, but has plenty of warm and full bass and a very beautiful tonal balance all the way up the scale. Nothing bites, but everything is responsive and sparkles. I play a lot of fingerstyle, but also strum hard when rocking. The FG-TA takes it all. The only thing I don‘t like about it as that the pickup, when amplified with my HK Audio Polar 10, reveals a bit too much hiss for my liking. And of course it‘s just a standard piezo. So guess what? I‘m going to buy the SAME GUITAR without a pickup, just so I can install a great pickup in it - maybe even one costing nearly as much as the guitar, itself! Crazy? Not for me. The Yamaha FG820 is the identical twin of the FG-TA except that the FG820 will be lighter in color, and not in the beautiful Vintage Tint I love about my FT-TA. But for the sound, I‘m going for it. And it only costs about €319, as apposed to the FG-TA, which costs around €630 (with the effects built in, and I highly recommend this guitar for playing without amplification!). The very slightly narrower necks on these two (compared with the Martin, which is maybe 1 mm wider?) do make a difference in playing some otherwise tough chord shapes stretched over 4 frets, and the string spacing is still perfect for fingerpicking. The sound of the FG-TA is not as deep or as throaty as a Martin or even as the other Yamaha models with longer scale lengths and slightly wider necks. But it‘s not deep & throaty I now want out of a guitar. I want beautiful throughout, and adaptable to many different kinds of songs I play. The Yamaha offers a more versatile sound than the Martin. When rocking at a campfire, the Martin would put out a lot more volume and foundation, but the Yamaha does everything else kinda better. Sure, it lacks the solid wood back and sides, but that also seems to make it less prone to feedback. And like I said: It has plenty of bass! Get this: I play ALL my guitars tuned down. I keep one in Eb, one in D and the Yamaha even in C#! And I can even drop-D on the Yamaha - starting from the C# tuning - and it works without sounding muffled or dead. None of my other guitars can handle that gracefully. (And yes, I do use heavier Elixier NanoWeb phosphor bronze strings on it.) Even in C#, there is enough string tension so things don‘t feel too „wobbly“. This makes it easy to sing songs requiring certain chord shapes that would otherwise put the song out of my vocal range, such as Angels by Robbie Williams. So after decades of ignoring Yamaha, I‘m a huge fan, now! And my duo partner just got himself the smaller TransAcoustic and loves it like crazy, too. By the way: Forget the LAG with built-in effects. Tried it and hated it. It‘s a gimmick. Yamaha only installed 2 effects, but they are far superior and don‘t end up getting on your nerves.

[@trevorgwelch7412]

I recently bought a Yamaha CG-TA Classical Guitar ... $899.99 in Canada no case . Excellent Quality . I plug it into my 1965 Fender Deluxe Reverb ... I play some Flamenco songs .

[@bearblackhawk9362]

Thats grrat! How much do you like the transacoustic? I have it as well. I enjoy using the chorus and reverb on full. Sounds like a 12 string in my opinion.

[@dvanolya]

@@bearblackhawk9362 Yeah, I have the LLTA model.I thought the novelty of the onboard reverb and chorus might wear off but it did not. The effects are great when playing solo but get lost in a jam. A great guitar with or without the effects on.

[@trevorgwelch7412]

@@bearblackhawk9362 Over all Excellent guitar . Can't play any Guitar because my Wife is doing work at home

[@deboxmojave6541]

Fantastic video. Very professional and pleasant!

[@jimleininger8963]

I happened to be looking away when you switched and the FG sounds much more rich, like a Martin.

[@petermoonband7181]

FGX 800 C with cutaway for easier access to upper frets the pickup added are an GREAT VALUE and have been my go to guitar for gigs for years. They sound great and they are affordable enough that you can buy an extra one to have as a stage backup in case you break a string. I LOVE 'EM!

[@nicolen.9642]

Sometimes it's hard to perceive the difference between 2 or more sounds. Ears abilities are pretty subtle. Thanks Chris for your lively reviews 🎶🎶🎶

[@terryshrives8322]

To me $1400 is a expensive guitar lol. I'm lucky to pickup a $300 Yamaha. I got ahold of a Yamaha electric and acoustic as a kid...I never looked back. Would love to have that guitar, I tried it at our music store and fell in love. Amazing. Yamaha fan forever

[@edmundchoy2992]

In the grand scheme of things when you enjoy playing music, it really doesn't matter. Getting the prestigious and expensive guitar is more of a self-actualisation goal rather than a musical goal. Just like a digital watch is more accurate and durable than a Rolex but the latter is due to inner desire and not the need to tell the time.

[@Joe-mz6dc]

It's absolutely amazing that Yamaha can build the same type of guitar but at such an affordable price and still with such high quality. At the same time their higher end models compete with some guitar makers who simply can't compete in that lower budget space to the same level. You have to give themm massive kudos for that.

[@bikashth8539]

Disclaimer :- if you aren't skilled(like me), you'll make the most expensive guitar in the world sound like crap. Saying from experience.

[@mickball543]

dont be so hard on yourself,remember however bad you are, there will still be millions of people even worse

[@LaPriest]

Lol 😂 the amount humor in this comment

[@petemitchum3198]

Showwave T I'm in the same boat...I own several "high end" guitars, still play like crap. This is why I call myself a "guitar collector" instead of a guitarist.

[@woodybatter3896]

A better guitar might help. I’m kinda crap player but I can squeak out some things on my Guild that I can’t on my cheaper ones.

[@Henry-yg1yc]

I’m pretty sure every guitar player initially sounded like crap

[@transmissionggb2820]

Well I just got the $200 one with a case yesterday and it sounds great.

[@willz2303]

I play a FG800 and although the thought of upgrading always lingers around, I guess I might need to at least try to make my FG800 sound as good as this guy does before making any moves..

[@bobross3172]

Im only 2 min in, and I'll be straight. For years, I've bought guitars no more than $600. Mostly Washburn Dreadnaught body styles. My most expensive til now was a Yamaha APX 500. Great little guitar. A month ago I sent away for a guitar all the way in Morgantown West Virginia. Im Toronto Ontario. $1150, that was after a $300 initial discount, then a $200 discount that I won. I paid $1400 after exchange rate, and customs fees. I bought a Freja 100 BV from Andrew White. It's the best guitar I've ever held. I've held many. Nothing I've played sounded this amazing. Beautiful tone, beautiful sustain... absolutely, more money gets a better sound, feel, and emotion.

[@samkujumcu5032]

Thank You for that comparison! But it's a little bit unfair - with all the extras on the FGX5, like pick-up and case. You should have compared the FG800 to the FG3, which is the same guitar without the extras for just about 800 Euro. It's still 4 times as much, - but only 4 times!

[@jamesbarr448]

I bought an FG800, nothing to do with this video, I was looking for a decent but cheap acoustic simply for practice. A long time a go I discovered when I was learning something new if I practiced on an acoustic when I played my electric guitar it was like my fingers were possessed. Anyhow I digress. What surprised me was that it felt and sounded better than what I expected, but also sounded better than some of the other more expensive guitars I tried.

[@gins8781]

I think I’d like a comparison between the FSX5 and the AC5R. BTW, I had a Yamaha FG350 that I bought in the early 80’s that is still a great guitar. I gave it to my daughter recently. Yamaha makes quality instruments.

[@TheSingingDoctor325]

I've had my FG345 since the early 80s, dragged it thorugh college, beach trips, etc and I love playing it.

[@shouldireviewguitars7908]

I love just watching your content, super relaxing and comfortable. Inspires me to pactice haha Comparing guitars of the same brand is the best way to do this test

[@johnkennedy6690]

The FG5 ships with 80/20 elixers, one the brightest strings on the planet, and still sounds as warm as the 800.

[@Chricão-05]

So I liked the FG800 more

[@hoangnguyennguyen1032]

I think one of the main advantages of solid back and sides is that you can further refine the tone of the guitar to your liking since many regard the back and sides wood as the EQ for the tone. With solid woods, their effects on the tone's EQ may become more pronounced.

[@harryebbeson]

My question is this: does Alamo check the guitars before putting out or shipping them to customers and can one purchase a set-up at sale for a reasonable price?

[@Jamzocd]

I have the Yamaha FS5 all solid wood and made in Japan. The wood choice and build are top notch. It’s the best acoustic guitar I’ve ever had with tone to rival Martin. It’s a keeper and will never let it go.

[@renealarcon3970]

Subtle sound difference, (Realtec DAC, Klipsch Promedia 2.1). For a home musician , beginner, non professional, to be used acoustically, as per demo, hard to justify the price of the FGX5. However if you are a professional musician or aspiring to be one, I cannot see not getting the FGX5. Both guitars sounded wonderful, in my opinion.

[@RogerThat902]

Yes, I always tell beginners to get a cheaper model when first starting out (at least) because odds are your ears won't even really hear the difference for a year or 2. Plus, even if you buy nice guitars you're still going to want a beater to keep out around the house that you don't care about. First time someone asks to play one of my guitars you better belive I'm not handing them one of my expensive ones hah. I thought the more expensive Yamaha had a warmed that the other didn't, but personally, that's why I love all mahogany guitars, so even there it's a preference probably.

[@NunyaB1s]

What I'm noticing in the more expensive guitars (at least the ones I listen to in my studio headphones on KZbin lol) is that the more expensive acoustics have a richer and warmer resonance on the string decay. The wood vibrates with the strings in ways where the chords "blend" more, but while being sonically more "sharp." (This is all coming from someone with an audio engineering/synthesis background. Studio nerd.)

[@DavidHBurkart]

"Overseas" is relative to where overseas. The Red Label is made in Japan, by Yamaha's premier luthiers, which is the equivalent to USA Custom-Shop quality IMO.

[@RogerThat902]

"Overseas" here basically means just not made in the U.S. People call Mexico overseas hah. "Not made in the US" is probably the much better way of describing what people mean. It's funny because it really shouldn't be a thing anymore considering what you said. Japenese guitars have been loved and highly sought after for years. Seem the premium for Japanese Fenders.

[@jamesfyffe2610]

@@RogerThat902 yes I used to think Japanese, meant cheap.... oh Countryaire.. Plus the electronics are second to none. I’ve got four Yamaha’s in my collection.... and a new one from 2020.....Japan .... I got the torrified sitka spruce, with east Indian Rosewood back and sides 🙂

[@IndigoJo]

Red Label is Yamaha's equivalent of production standard Martins, like the 00-18. The custom shop is the top end of the L-series like the L56 which is made by their master luthier and the L36 which is made by him and his team.

[@brucebearrentine2684]

Thanks for the comparison. I bought an FG 800 (2-3-2021) because I couldn't hear $1,000+ difference. In fact, I like the sound of the FG 800 a bit better. Yes indeed, the FG 800 is a best seller, because it took a lot of searching to find a dealer within driving distance that had one in stock, and when I did find a dealer, they had only one in stock. I ordered a JLD Bridge Doctor (to insure against string tension pulling a belly in the top over time), TUSQ saddle, nut and bridge pins from GraphTech to replace the plastic pieces, and a set of Ernie Ball Earthwood Extra Light strings (.010-.050) to replace the light gauge (.012-.053) strings that came on the guitar. I really like the sound, but the playability can be improved because the factory setup is less than ideal; high nut action and action overall, and very little neck relief. The last of my parts came in yesterday, so I'm going to start on my setup today.

[@steby123]

Given the build quality of Yamaha guitars, both are great buys. Th more expensive one sounds more like my high end guitars and so appeals more to my ear.

[@TheKempaz]

I also bought FSX5 and I was heavily influenced by your videos. I think the quality of your videos is very good! Greetings from Finland!

[@SukalyanDas]

How do you like the action? is it really nice and low? or a nightmare like the Martins?

[@TheKempaz]

@@SukalyanDas Action was bit high, had to be adjusted

[@SukalyanDas]

@@TheKempaz Thanks for replying. I have had so many issues with Martin action; all bought online.

[@Bradnick930]

So, before you started playing, I closed my eyes. I'm listening through pretty good JBL speakers not a high-end stereo. In the first piece, with the pick, the 1st guitar sounded like it had better separation of notes. But finger picking goes to the FGX5 for sure. As a side note, they both look huge, pushing your right upper arm almost out straight. Great video. You are a pro and I am a campfire hack but we have similar hands. Do you find 1 11/16" nuts constricting or will I get over it as I get better?

[@SleeplessInDallas]

these are dreadnaught bodies, give booming sound, but not comfortable to play, I have one, the raised arm and shoulder cause neck pain :-( My next guitar will be an auditorium body.

[@jimmitchell8768]

@TownesVanZandt The 800 series has the 1 11/16 nut, I'm 99% sure.

[@Bradnick930]

@TownesVanZandt Thanks! Sweetwater lists the FG 800 at 1.69". I guess that I didn't look at the FGX5 because it's out of my current budget. My bad.

[@thomashall9641]

Chris you make the FG800 sing but the FGX5 hands down for me. I am a FS5 owner looking to add FGX5 in the future. Great videos Alamo, thanks!

[@Alfredel2]

This is another wonderful video. I really like the sound of the Yamaha guitars. I like the inexpensive model, however; it has a lot more brightness and it is not as together as it's more expensive counterpart. That said, the more expensive Yamaha guitar is hands-down to me much more warm and interesting guitar with a lot of subtle characters and textures as I listen to the examples through my electrostatic headphones. I agree with you that I would put them up against any of the American guitars and they would compete quite favorably at their price points. Thank you so much for giving us this side by side comparison

[@DavSom-i8d]

I got one and I am done. About 10 years ago I went from guitar shop to guitar shop and strummed many many guitars. All of them sounded empty and hollow until I found my 'Honey' As soon as I played a Martin DRS2 I was sold. Not a solid wood body and top like a red label Yamaha, but I bought with my ears not my attitude. It was a financial hit to get her, no regrets. I support your conclusion get a good quality guitar and love it. I am never disappointed with my tone (My wife's jealousy, my technique and skill ... another matter)

[@charlottesimonin2551]

Despite my aging 75 year old ears I can hear that the FGX5 is produces a fuller richer sound.

[@RobBennell]

Hey Chris....You and Lee from Dawsons have influenced my choices yet it is always necessary to spend time with each instrument. Your demo and others brought me to acquire some very fine instruments and some disappointing ones. The Yamaha A5R was returned in favor of an A3R. The A5R made in Japan to my surprise was full of structural flaws and had poor intonation. The A3R is exquisite both in tone and build. I find that the Chinese are excellent craftsman. The A3M was perfect from the start in every way. Both guitars have both sides top and bottom perfectly matched. The Mahogany on the A3R is iridescent and the Rosewood on the A3R reflects the light like a prism. That is called chatoyance as I am a woodturner and I always look for that in the woods I turn. J.P. Cormier and you are very enthusiastic about the FGX5. So I acquired one. As we know a Model may may exhibit itself differently guitar from guitar. I returned the FGX5. Lee at Dawson demos a FGX800c and I was impressed. I searched and found a new Black Limited Edition FGX800c which has been discontinued for quite a while. There was only one online and I am so pleased with the clarity, playability, intonation, perfect build and that glorious black finish. I now know why the FG series is the one of the Worlds most popular. Let's get congress to fund putting one in the hands of all Americans. That would keep the peace and make the World a better place to live in. The FG series particularly the FG800 are truly the peoples guitar.

[@RobBennell]

0ops....I meant the Mahogany on the A3M is iridescent...

[@jc7636]

The FGX5 definitely sounds a lot better, it seems easier to play as well.

[@kixcanyonmarvinbrethaney8277]

If you're buying a batch of guitars to use for casual or introductory students in a classroom scenario, buy a batch of FG800s (or the APXT2 if they are elementary school age students). But if you are buying to use for recording, performing for audiences... or even just flat out developing and advancing your skills & abilities, then the FGX5 would be the pick (out of these two choices). Intended use is a big part of it. That's my take.