Best APFSDS vs. Top Tier

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[@Zenturion7]

*T-90M has slightly better armor than T-80BVM, which means it will also block. *Leclerc S.XXI on same spot was also penned, but it did not ammo-rack on the turret.

[@HabszStadT]

What about ZTZ99A? You only shot the driver hatch.

[@Genuinespaceman]

What is the music in this video?

[@Zenturion7]

@@HabszStadT 3:56

[@HabszStadT]

@@Zenturion7 I mean the hull.

[@nuckerball1259]

@@HabszStadT Ive tested it, it wont go through with era

[@niikuragen]

Ah yes, the dart will go through all of that but will get eaten by the fuel tank of a BMP-3.

[@burneracc2567]

*Oranges ammo in Wolfpack after perfect center mass shot through the rack*

[@alexstasko696]

On wolfpack you can't rely to shoot the center. Rather go for back ammo racj

[@12LoLproductions]

Always aim for the ring, if you only kill one crew at least the gun can’t aim effectively anymore

[@alexstasko696]

@@12LoLproductions if you are still talking about wolfpack, this is nonsense.

[@cabbageashthe1st594]

You joke about that bit for some unknown reason there are a good amount of clips that I can remember that content creators bouncing off the front plate of the 2a4 with the 292 somehow no weird angle or anything just straight on shot

[@csbr75]

How to counter Relikt: > Spawn in plane > Drop big bomb on the roof > Curse a bit in the chat > Exit match and uninstall game

[@LarryPigeon1]

Get perma chat banned like me

[@csbr75]

@@LarryPigeon1 "Gaijin is french-biased" *B A N*

[@cabbageashthe1st594]

@@LarryPigeon1I have said the worst thing imaginable in chat and I don't get chat banned ever basically, it's actually pretty funny

[@02suraditpengsaeng41]

> Drop big bomb on the roof > Gaijin said no and Relikt eat bomb > Rage quit and uninstall the damn game

[@buscadiamantes1232]

nah but for real Relikt can't be that good, if it tanks 152mm APFSDS I can't imagine how bad would M829A4 be modeled

[@ichimaru_holly3fst_all_box343]

4:52 Ariete at 1500 m range 5:13 "Did you expect something?" Me laughing dead and crying at the same time "It was my car!" Yet, I was thinking at the end of the video: "As planes became better with missile, which can knock down a dog fight, what's the point of continue to grind tank trees if all calibers or shells can penetrate your tank and one shot you?"

[@burneracc2567]

To be fair, only Germany, UK, China and France, as far as *I* know don't have any good top tier CAS, anything else that gets shot by Obj. 292 will instantly spawn a plane with at least 4 ATGMs and a dozen guided and unguided bombs, or, what those other nations do have are helicopters. 95% of my deaths in 292 were to cas.

[@maxrex280]

Literally all of those have good top tier cas....

[@Notan_5]

@@burneracc2567 Germany, Uk, China and France have good to op Cas like the Tornado, Jas 39c, Harrier, Tornado, JH 7A, Mirage 2000 and 4000, and all of the top tier heli's so

[@cabbageashthe1st594]

Well you can really say the same thing about aircraft: "why would you grind the air tech tree when it's going to eventually become a BVR hell hole where 10% of the time your launching a Fox 3 but the other 90% is you chaffing and notching as much as possible to not die instantly" We just have to hope that gaijin don't screw up the implementation of new technologies

[@cat_clan_leader]

​@@Notan_5Tornado is literally the worst of the top tier CAS, what are you on

[@dew0w045]

Without add-on armor or ERA M1A2 left turret : 🍷🗿

[@Luvs4CJ]

The Abrams would be the best if they gave it spall liners just like everyone else got

[@HabszStadT]

Abrams does not have spall liners irl lol look it up

[@Luvs4CJ]

@@HabszStadT youre totally right, but if they made the abrams as effective as it is irl itd be a really good tank. one of the best

[@Tanksnstuffs]

@@Luvs4CJ Well, abrams wont be fighting any of modren tanks then, it only would fight T-72As then

[@HDREal]

@@HabszStadTthe Abrams does not have interior liners in the crew compartment because spall protection wasn’t an afterthought in the design of the tank. Its armor packages provide spall protection. All this shit is still classified but spall protection isn’t just Kevlar liners there’s other spall mitigation technologies.

[@HusieK576]

In the next update they gonna add Leopard with 130mm gun but it won't be able to pen T-80BVM even without relikt.

[@_blackdeep_3518]

First of all it's not Leopard it's Panther , and it's too modern and "classified" to be added same as all most modern tanks. That's why instead of for example having obj195 we have obj292 (at least i think so)

[@atomev8]

I think he was thinking of the leo 2 140

[@aditd.n5105]

It's a 140 but yeah i hope we get it one day

[@xeon5334]

German mains got the best tank, and they still cope about bvm...

[@HusieK576]

@@_blackdeep_3518 As others said: Sorry I meant Leopard 2 with 140mm gun, my bad. And other thing is that we already have Type 10 which falls under "too modern and classified", same with VT-4 which at least in the terms of years is even more "modern" than Type 10. On the side note Challenger 1 armor is still classified to this day even though I think only Jordan is using them?

[@sv3106]

true Obj. 292 enjoyers know HE is the only round you need

[@derkaiser9881]

8kg of happiness.

[@razzypazzy09]

That is so true!

[@Kwisss]

5:16 It still probably would've penned but wouldn't it be better to test it with the Leclerc SXXI which has that area on the turret face reinforced?

[@Zenturion7]

the S.XXI was able to at least stop the round from triggering the ammo.

[@TheGrinXpedia]

​@@Zenturion7 sounds like small stuff, but its an incredibly huge difference

[@saucebosspl]

FFS, of course Relikt stops everything. Next thing you know it will cancel out a nuke...

[@sushacksxd]

no just proof russia tank best 😎

[@somerandomboibackup6086]

Reason 101 why M829A3 will never be added at its full extent

[@IlyaGuschin.]

​@@sushacksxdthe power of "Z" is so strong.

[@Owlzz_]

​@@sushacksxd dunno man i dont think relikt can stop that dart head on like that

[@sdgsrf2123]

what do you think era does lol? it destabilises apfsds... the round did pen, but hasnt gotten past armor, which gaijin doesnt model, why model something behind the era if its not gonna pen inside anyway?

[@HaiironoUma]

Did you know that there’s some funny overpressure spots on the 292 with HESH from British 120s? The little welds on either side of the gun towards the hull as well as commander’s cupola and gunner’s hatch can all cause overpressure death from certain angles. The wedge right above the breech can also be overpressured.

[@commiedoggo8367]

Im surprised you even gave Ariete a chance

[@Paronak]

I was with my heart in my mouth waiting to see if the best APFSDS round could penetrate the MBT that can die in 1 hit from a Pz. IV

[@codenamecrusade1083]

It went clean through the Maus, if you put an Ariete behind it I'm sure it would've still penned the poor thing with the residual penetration.

[@archangeltheexecutioner6816]

I hate that I'm pretty sure you are right. I own all of the ariete line, after they got rid of the "wet" ammo stowage glitch it had, its just..kinda a bad tank tbh. It's like taking the M3 lee up to 5.7. like..yes, you can do things with it, sure, but you have so much better you could be using

[@xxfalconarasxx5659]

I still don't know why Gaijin models the Ariete hull armour as just two layers of spaced armour, when literally every primary source quite clearly states it has composite armour in the hull.

[@codenamecrusade1083]

@@xxfalconarasxx5659 The Ariete armor revision has been acknowledged by Gaijin and will likely come some time after the Challenger rework is done.

[@archangeltheexecutioner6816]

@@codenamecrusade1083 they've had the ariete line in game so long already, and remarkably there are no internal changes from prototype at 10.3 to the amv at 11.7. when they don't seem to show a care about looking around for any of these things, I don't know if I can be happy for this to arrive, gaijin just doesn't seem to care much for Italy since nobody plays it. Well, nobody except psychopaths like me

[@archangeltheexecutioner6816]

@@xxfalconarasxx5659 I'ma cry when they do revise the armor and give it what it deserves, or just something better than what it has now, and they increase the weight *again* because of it

[@shadowconquer-yv5yd]

Me seeing the results against all top tier mbt: Yeah, well that's kinda expected. Me seeing the Maus get one shotted: well shit.

[@esooGrM]

I mean that's thick RHA with a heavy 155 shot

[@Invictus22656]

The Maus looks like a stick of butter against this 152 APFSDS

[@cakeadventure8412]

Leo 2a7 and Strv 122B both have the same hull armor, but if you look at the armor analysis, it says that the 122B will block ~100mm more of effective pen. Very very interesting...

[@mr.ballstone1914]

It has better composite screens

[@hahapoorguy]

Ah, yes, maus. My favourite top tier mbt

[@SimonGhostRiley.MW2]

I mean it was a super heavy tank soooo

[@UselessNekoGang]

I am not surprised that relikt magically stops it compared to everything else lmao

[@jintsuubest9331]

A glimpse into obj 195.

[@eliradinsky7088]

If it gets the same made up stats that the 292 has, I hope they never add it. And if they do it should be 15.0

[@Maverick966]

Object 195 has an even stronger 152mm gun, probably it would penetrate at least 800mm

[@worldoftancraft]

@@eliradinsky7088 so, fighting only with each other. Genius. Why not BR 1515.15?

[@elitecmb]

Wait untill they drop obj. 477. Same gun, but 4.3s reload, unmanned turret, insane armor and decent mobility. God won't save the lobbies even if they make this thing two times as hard to get as IS-7

[@Soviet_Stalker_Men]

wait until obj 490/A comes in.

[@02suraditpengsaeng41]

4:51 Here Russia main folk this is we call "Glass Cannon", Obj.292 ain't

[@worldoftancraft]

Ariette can, you know, AIM, react to appearance of an enemy. Also launch smokes. And it has a machinegun. And mobility. And, the least, it has thermal sight. Also when RNG happens, it can make the second shot.

[@02suraditpengsaeng41]

@@worldoftancraft "you know, AIM" literally can do with all tank except even more sad one Because Ariete is just sad ngl

[@worldoftancraft]

@@02suraditpengsaeng41 FCS of 292 is dogshit. That's what I've meant. all related to gun handling.

[@212thfives8]

@@worldoftancraft I really don't understand why so many people are talking badly about the object 292. I my oppinion this tanks is an absolute menace. Ive got a 4-5 K/D in this beast without any porblems/tryharding. I think most players just don't know how to play top tier tanks.

[@emilgirginov9848]

Literally both are glass cannons idk what you yappin about lmao

[@5gurus-bimiseveriz]

The fact that the strv 122 is better than leo 2a7v is just straight up criminal

[@genericamerican.]

One of the devs once said that he likes the Swedish tech tree. That's probably why the German leopards are heavily nerfed in terms of hull and turret armor.

[@specc_s1452]

Hopefully they add D-tech armour when more modern rounds are added

[@Julmust999]

The strv 122 is basically a leopard with extra armour, I wouldn’t say it’s better since it has less penetration

[@user-jc2in3cp3g]

They might as well buff it since 3bm60 can’t pen it regardless

[@8492nd]

Well, the sweden got the shitty leopard and made them better, so cope?

[@rabernod3022]

> Shoots a Ariete in the Hull > the projectile bounced > leave the free test vehicle

[@shocknaw]

Oh boy, so relikt can stop it. But the 2a7V, which in testing stopped DM73 no problem(estimated 1300-1400mm of pen). And people still say Russian bias isn’t real

[@raketny_hvost]

lmao 1400mm of pen? why not 3500? modern APFSDS can go through 700mm at best, because those funny booklets are made for lulz, not for something serious

[@remipast3347]

@@raketny_hvost Then explain why KE protection of all russian ERA is coming from those funny booklets?

[@shocknaw]

@@raketny_hvost Warthunder isn’t realistic when it comes to pen, the most modern APFSDS pens over a meter at 2km

[@raketny_hvost]

@@shocknaw they don't. read less coolstories from ISW and same shitsources

[@shocknaw]

@@raketny_hvost KMW, the manufacturer of the leopard 2a7V says they do

[@shotgun18]

Gajin: "oh it can pen top tier tanks? How cool, lets put it at 10.0!"

[@voler_1925]

no thermals and 10 second reload, it will get clapped at top tier easily

[@shotgun18]

@@voler_1925 I see it all the time at top tier and people using them get 1-3 kills. not to mention its put on a T-80 chassis.

[@user-pv4xl7rt3p]

​@shotgun18а я видел как челы на бт 5 абрамса убивают, и что?

[@musicheaven1679]

​@@voler_1925By your logic gaijin should put the kv1e at 3.3 since it has a 3.3 gun and shitty mobility.

[@voler_1925]

@@musicheaven1679 but it has armor to make up for it?... the 292 has mid armor, mid mobility, awful gun handling, awful reload, and no thermals all in exchange for a gun which overmatches most things(at a tier where filled with lightly armored vehicles) yeah, idk if that logic compares.

[@blob643]

Come on, we all know we use this thing as a HE slinger

[@t_k_o_l]

what is that camo on 122? looks absolutely amazing

[@frederickglobisch3242]

A little reminder that the 2a7v is not modified right, he has the c-tec armor but in reality it has the d-tec, it's actually its even published by the German government but gaijin say its still a secret

[@nuckerball1259]

I like how on the ztz99a they shot your drivers port while the t80 they didnt

[@Soviet_Stalker_Men]

now we all wait for the final boss. Obj 490/A

[@_xgreex_]

Poor type 10 doesn't survive any top tier darts anyway, i wonder what itll take for gaijin to buff its armor

[@iltuokebabbarodifiducia7328]

Bru looks at the Ariete armor, he doesn't have any for some gaijin reason

[@Paronak]

Bro, at least it has composite armor everywhere. The Ariete is in SERIOUS danger when even a Pz. IV is nearby

[@bogey_dope_ae]

Why it need armor buffed? It already king of toptier, it's just not that good at conventional head-ons.

[@_xgreex_]

@Paronak is it realistic? Don't know enough about the Ariete.

[@maggot4395]

bro the japs sacrificed armor for speed n mobility lol pretty well known

[@andym.s.5231]

Sweden getting the better leopards as usual

[@SonsOfLorgar]

That's just how it is irl too, better armor, old 120/L44 gun😊

[@edinonjunio]

@@SonsOfLorgar Leopard 2A7V is better than any Strv in real live, it has D tech armour and 120/L55

[@ThorSuzuki1]

@@edinonjunio What does that even mean?

[@sapiensiski]

​@@ThorSuzuki1you propably shouldnt argue if you dont anything about anything

[@ThorSuzuki1]

@@sapiensiski I asked what "D Tech armour" means. How on earth did i argue? It seems you dont understand the different types of conversations.

[@pilot_xoan]

What about the turrets of T-90 and T-80?

[@user-dp4io1np6d]

참고 바닐라 M1은 이놈 관통력에 거의 30%정도 되는 날탄이지만 0.3BR이 더 높다

[@InsertSomenickorsomethingOK]

M1 disadvanteges: -Huge disadvantage in firepower(Has to use stock heatfs, its 1st round has got 403mm less pen and the other one has 323mm less pen. -Worse armor (baseline m1 abrams is a glass cannon, only UFP can save your ass). Object 292 turret and ufp tanks everything at this br and below (You will get penned there if youll get an uptier to 11.0) -0.3br higher than object 292 -Object 292 has huge heat shell, able to pen everywhere except where composite armor is Abrams advantages: -Thermals (gen 1 so it really doesnt matter) -Much better reverse gear -No ammo in the hull, blow out panels -More crew -Faster reload

[@Optimusprime56241]

@@InsertSomenickorsomethingOK m1 loses its reload advantage when your loader gets knocked out so it doesn’t matter

[@cubanspy1231]

Gee i wonder why

[@Aniquilador_Z]

The nerf that the armor of the nato tanks has is impressive... especially the leopard A7V

[@spongegobler3449]

It probably wouldn’t stop a 150mm dart if they were correct anyways

[@Aniquilador_Z]

@@spongegobler3449 In the strong points I would do it without problem

[@ValadarishUR]

All leaks about 2a5 and 2a6 (thanks community for that) show us weak armor with improbable capacity to resist multiple shots like US made Abram's and UK made Challenger's.

[@Aniquilador_Z]

@@ValadarishUR I thought we were talking about the 2A7V xd...

[@ValadarishUR]

@@Aniquilador_Z we have nato tanks too in first line xD

[@AgentK-im8ke]

They need to add the leclerc with 140mm to balance

[@gelatinousturncoat]

Bruh we got the DOOM MIDI track bopping in this one!

[@Zosterias]

Alpha strike update nerfed the Challenger 3TD by using the Cr 2 damage model. You can see on the armour viewer, the model (slightly steeper cheeks) and damage model are not aligned. The pre-nerf CR3TD cheeks are able to stop the Obj 292 and Khrizanthema.

[@cezarysztolc6856]

could you test the super pershing and also if the armour stops working like the 2a7 wedges after a few shots?

[@BufferThunder]

How did you already get the skin for the strv122b+ ???

[@phoenixguild8375]

That discord disconnect sound actually made me jump wth

[@eduard-vdsl1984]

They really need to fix the type 10's armor

[@cubanspy1231]

Yeah its overestimated😊

[@NYX-06]

오늘의 교훈 렐릭트 만세(?)

[@City4090]

렐릭트를 찬양하라(?)

[@matato1]

If people consider the object 292 Op po Just because of the ammunition, so it was to place any strong explosive ammunition vehicle in the top tier."If you can kill, then it's Equivalent or stronger" - following this stupid logic.

[@acolbymyers]

mind you IRL this dart could pen somewhere around 1200mm at like 500m still also would still pen 900mm at 2000km range...... so yeah this is the watered down pen values FYI

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Comrade, i want a railgun on a tank! We have railgun in motherland. Railgun at home:

[@AjackLee4]

Jesus

[@meesamkhan4767]

literally every top tier dart in this game is underperforming. dm53 can go straight through the ufp of a t72b3 and t80u irl yet it can't in war thunder.

[@sturmgeschutze3070]

What is it with people pulling ridiculous numbers out of nowhere? It’s a 750mm long dart, you are not reasonably exceeding 750mm of penetration.

[@kaiderbrecher9642]

@@sturmgeschutze3070that’s what I thought … how can your dart penetrate more than it’s length that’s simply not possible.. 1200mm😂😂… if you just compare the length of the apfsds rounds, the penetration in WT is probably not that far of from its penetration irl, it’s ofc not exact but I think as close as you can get without having classified information

[@Nathan-hg2xc]

Just imagine the leapard 2 with a 140mm gun 💀

[@dutchdragon2472]

Gaijin: You see, this thing being at 10.0 is fair because it will go trough everything at 12.3 anyway!

[@christian9125abd]

have you played it? it is no overpowered tank unless you do not get shot at. anything can kill you and if you miss a shot or face more than 1 enemy you are dead. you have no smoke launchers and no machine guns.

[@pffpffovich2398]

@@christian9125abd By that logic the ATGM heli spam is not a problem unless they shoot you

[@christian9125abd]

@@pffpffovich2398 the problem is that heli's are way harder to kill than a 292. also at that br each tank can oneshot you easily.... nobody really has penetration issues. and the biggest enemy to that tanks are not the most uparmed ones, no the fast tanks that are shooting you before you can shoot them, like the TAM or leo1...

[@bakaneko6639]

Ah yes flat pen is everything in war thunder, who need gun handling or thermal or mg or smoke ?

[@Tanksnstuffs]

NATO players: You see, i cant just hull down and now i have to use my brain, thats clearly Russian bias!

[@Evil_Meller]

Try the LOSAT rocket against all top-tier

[@Gentleman-uh4zq]

and this is 10.0 nice balanc gaijin gg

[@12LoLproductions]

As far as I can tell they used the penetrator from a 3BM42, guess we’re lucky it wasn’t a 3BM46/60 instead

[@gegganzer1574]

It seems to me that the ztz99III is tougher than the other Chinese 11.7

[@BAKASYNUS]

Maus: What did I do to deserve all this?

[@Samyal..l]

Мне стало его жаль , просто навылет в лоб.

[@BAKASYNUS]

@@Samyal..l я где-то видел реплей, где Маус танканул лом объекта 292 O⁠_⁠o

[@Samyal..l]

@@BAKASYNUS это все тундра , там и бт5 штурм тигра танкует)

[@redly3420]

0:45 я заметил что если выстрелить leo2a7v чуть выше, буквально на десять сантиметров от центра верхнего защитного листа и немного правее, можно одним выстрелом убить 3 танкистов

[@lmao-skill-issue]

spaghetti armor model at it greatest

[@Crembaw]

In conclusion, always hit the hull

[@nKomsu]

역시 워썬더 최강의 전차 스트리스방

[@dragonspear4055]

ERA Armor in this Game is godly

[@_deqi.]

Could you do a video about the Chinese premium ztz59 a

[@aviationerd1730]

this whole thing is unbelievable, also strv 122 is leopard export version or Leopard 2a5EX, which should be weaker than even the 2a5. Maybe, so much so that they put add on armor into it.Export version should be lesser than the indigenous tank, like the Exported abram without DU, Leclerc and chally 1

[@SdKfz-gq8bh]

while the Strv 122 is technically an export, it is still their own design with their own upgrades. the addon armor for the hull sides and floor are all swedish designs. germany has those aswell but those are newer and better, though sweden has newer and imrpoved extended armor aswell

[@aviationerd1730]

@@SdKfz-gq8bh Look at the Leopard 2a5EX, it's german tank with german add-on armor, nothing is made on sweden since it is classified, especially sweden,at the time,, is some ways is friendly to russia, and was not a NATO member

[@aren306]

@@aviationerd1730 Gaijin made a dev blog about the armor of top mbts with officially released documents, you should look into it if you want answers.

[@allorfh2495]

@@aviationerd1730 dude stick with aviation. Sweeden is a minor weapon desginer and manufacturer, they can upgrade tanks on their own, like they have the best IFV series in the world right now, they probably know how to armor a vehicle while also keeping the weight to a minimum. Also the strv 122 B+ is a highly modified prototype made in 2010 (and probably a base for the strv 123 if the costs are okay), it will of course rival the a7

[@mehmetbozkurt3274]

Technically, Leopard 2A5 is a Strv 122 with removed features. They were both developed from the Leopard 2 Improved. And export Leopards are oftentimes better than Bundeswehr variants. 2A7V was only put in service in 2020.

[@weegeepootis430]

How’d you get that camo for the STRV 122B+?

[@laser986]

Russian bias isn't a thing > Russian bias

[@Gravitin]

실험 영상 보니까 소련제 MBT 전반이 슈퍼 오버스펙 고증오류이긴 하네...

[@ThedodgerKharkiv]

Усі вузькоокі народи - ось помилка історії

[@Andy-xn9zn]

Try with High Explosive?

[@Baguetteeeeee]

is this touhou music?

[@christian9125abd]

what about T-90M ?

[@yukomikoshiba1961]

No test against T-90M?

[@okakokakiev787]

Do the same with kornet atgm?

[@GORINCHO]

and definitely no damage at all

[@freedeoxide5179]

Ah yes The power or relikt

[@user-zu4nl7bm9e]

Burnd and Fired Baguette.

[@Eclipse-SSC]

Ofc the russian tanks get penetrated but take basically no damage because they've been artificially buffed and don't get spalled at all lmao.

[@rojevil2829]

i think you forgot to test in t90m

[@ThatGuy-fx9sq]

We all know the HE is the way to go

[@Nana-vg7od]

If it 1 hit kills a maus it needs a nerf

[@august4215]

Cry harder

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Its 152mm shell. Moving at speeds above 1000m/s. Even its WT representation is weaker then what real deal would be.

[@davidmazur1437]

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907i mean its nearly 2000m/s lmao, but yea its nerfed a good amount ingame (luckily)

[@doomskull7549]

I really hope we get that swiss leopard with the 140mm. It should outperform the 292 but will probably also be like 11.3 because its a leopard

[@eglicristian5625]

Nice,the abrams has almost 1000mm of armor in the turret but you can pen worh a round that has 700mm of pen what a good logic,gaijin is making the russians op but in reality they have the weakest tanks(or almost)

[@decold7768]

Bro dissed my ariete

[@DU-cu1yh]

292-Good railgun tank😂

[@tainlessolivine5782]

저게 10.0이란거부터 가이진 밸런스담당은 뇌에 우동사리가 들어있다는 뜻

[@MM10567]

imagine the strength of a modernized object 292

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Or just, y know, give it all stuff regular T-80 has (smokes and ERA, possibly even blowout panels that were implemented later on tanks of same ammo rack style in russia, a T-55 extreme modernization i believe).

[@hikong0517]

날탄보다 저 탱크들이 전부 다 있다는 사실이 더 부럽다

[@S28426]

but of course comrade 10.0, we counter russian bias with **more** russian bias.

[@TheGrinXpedia]

ACTUALLY the highest pen KE ammunition is LOSAT

[@davidmazur1437]

i think he meant of an actual tank

[@xxxinc3322]

you forgot T-90M?

[@Nahfam143]

But will relikt stop the HE round next to the roadwheels?

[@bonk9614]

relikt will eat the HE if you hit it directly from the side but the turret will definitely pop if you hit the wheels.

[@Nahfam143]

@@bonk9614 what if you wedge between the turret and the hull? Will relikt catch it there?

[@bonk9614]

@@Nahfam143 the 152mm HE is too big to fit in that small gap, the relikt will trigger the shell dealing no damage. the only way to till it from the side is by hitting the tracks or the optics or hitting the era in front of the turret or the back.

[@Jasiuc330]

There is video showing relict tanking direct 380mm sturm tiger rocket and leaving tank unharmed

[@Nahfam143]

@@Jasiuc330 goddamn.. how does the crew even survive that

[@evo3s75]

it's weird how the Strv122B+ performs better than the 2A7V despite the 2A7V being newer and having actually stronger (C+D tech) armour irl...

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Incorrect. The 122B actually has better armor IRL, the Leo2A7 has slightly improved armor tech shared from the Strv122A development 😊

[@evo3s75]

@@SonsOfLorgar *incorrect!* Strv122B is from the 1990's, it's armour is in fact older. The 2A7V was actually Germany's own initiative and I can nowhere find that it was based on the development of the Strv122's armour, let alone even that of the 122A which is a ridiculous claim. It is better (next to it being newer, so new and better materials are used and there was over 30 years of R&D time in between this) than that of the Strv122's and also better than that of the 122B's. Funny thing even, the Strv122's armour isn't even actually Swedish, it's MEXAS-H which is in fact German. The 2A7V's use brand new produced hulls which were also designed to have the latest D-tech incorperated in the front and thus upgrading the protection to the same level as the turret, which was one of the requirements. They even incorporated the knowledge of the use of their 2A7's and developed further on this. I can go on and on, but you're the one actually being *very* incorrect here and I sincerely implore you to seek it up, hell I will even help you a little and give you a link to the massive bugreport on the 2A7V's armour level which has a lot of official and very good sources link (bugreport on gaijin . net "Leopard 2A7V: hull armour."): community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/xLDgCgt0rWp0

[@WTCheatShaming]

Note to anyone looking at the 292 round. Its performance is entirely fictional based on speed and Gaijins calculator. Whats worse is that if gaijin ever adds the object 195 the round is even better than this. Yet gaijin thinks nato rounds are terrible….

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

292 is actually very severely nerfed. IRL it would pass trough the most modern armor of the best tanks there are. IRL armor, mind you, not whatever snail had made. This thing is one step away from just putting railgun and nuclear reactor on tank.

[@onecoin7665]

​@@alexturnbackthearmy1907292 Is failed prototipe

[@markus1351]

​@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 maybe, but still they just take the Numbers at face value and dump them in their calculator... MBT-70 and XM-803 also use a big gun... Their APFSDS doesn't even Break 300mm... 9.3 btw...

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@markus1351 Big gun. Not a big gun with power of railgun however, they are quite pathetic as regular cannons, cause they were intended to use missiles against everything, darts are afterthought after gun turned out to suck as missile launcher. Think of it same way as about steel darts. Yes, they are darts, and have all characteristics of one. Does it make them suck any less? Not in the slightest.

[@markus1351]

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 oh well, the M1 gun does about the same at the start,... still,... these vehicles fight the 292, which is the problem. it needs to be like 10.7 or 11.0 (I do have the 292 and run it as well ^^, it's waaaaaaaaaaaay too strong)

[@r1oma378]

BFG Soviet Bias

[@ry0usama511]

I'm always trying to be positive with Gaijin even when they added 23S8, but now this tank is really ridiculous, the fact that it has ammo better than 11.7 tanks, at 10.0. They didn't even try to hide the Russian bias this time.

[@bakaneko6639]

Ah yes, flat pen is everything in war thunder, who need gun handling, thermal, mg, smoke Am I right or Am I right

[@ry0usama511]

@@bakaneko6639 considering how small 80% of top tier maps are, yes.

[@bakaneko6639]

@@ry0usama511 then the sturmtiger should be 12.0

[@ry0usama511]

@@bakaneko6639 sure if it had at least half the reload time. On the other hand 292 only need extra 2 second to do the same if not more damage than a top tier mbt

[@bakaneko6639]

@@ry0usama511 hey who need gun handling ? Don't bring that up cuz it doesn't matter

[@pistol_sniper]

120/55 DM53으로는 비비지도 못하는 152mm 날탄ㄷㄷ

[@Fame_Levi]

try the ariete at 6km, it will maybe nonpen

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

These darts keep their pen VERY well on distance. Its joeover.

[@5375]

밥 못얻어먹은 레오 튼튼하네요

[@39phamlee.75]

Goes to show how weirdly thick relikts are

[@Maverick966]

Relikt is not that thick, below the Relikt there is some space to act as spaced armor

[@tomfahey2823]

Relikt isn't thick at all, it works by disrupting the penetrator as it passes through it, by exploding the sandwiched plates apart, resulting in a shear force on the penetrator that effectively breaks it up and/or skews its trajectory, before it hits the armour behind the ERA. It's a truly ingenious concept, replacing many tonnes of heavy and expensive composite armour with lightweight and cheap steel plates and a little explosive filler.

[@Sumi_S]

It’s just cus it’s a Russian game mate This isn’t real life

[@tomfahey2823]

@@Sumi_S There's many, many simulations online showing how insanely effective Relikt is (kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGXLmoyerb-qd68si=y7FCKGN-IAq-kgkF), in case the fact that NATO militaries have been constantly upgrading their APFSDS rounds and cannons in the last 30 years, wasn't evidence enough that it works.

[@tomfahey2823]

​@@Sumi_SThere's loads of FEM simulations on KZbin demonstrating just how insanely effective Relikt is (search Relikt ERA simulation). The fact that NATO militaries have been constantly upgrading their MBT APFSDS rounds and cannons over the last 30 years is pretty solid evidence that it does, in fact, work.

[@pelle2774]

ital ital

[@mab2187]

I also read a comment that its missing 100mm of extra pen, it should be around 770 or 800mm of pen!

[@chasethepup7676]

Hell

[@thewanderingstranger6638]

"There is no Russian bias here, move along" - Gaijin

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

Meanwhile Russian Bias: 5:21

[@xnopyt13]

Given how inconsistent the game is using HE only would be way better.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

HE meta is real.

[@xnopyt13]

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 makes sense, the current mechanic is literally called overpressure lol

[@romeovictor6223]

Welp its never gonna happen, but moving this thing up to 10.7 would probably suffice. Currently its: 1. armor is actually good (contrary to what appeared to be the popular belief that this was gonna be a 'glass cannon'), more than enough KP to deal with ~ 410 ~ 480 mm of pen which it regularly faces on average (especially at range), and if moved up to 10.7 will still be able to use this in downtiers, and in an uptier it will be at a disadvantage, as it should be, but only armor wise, its clearly got enough fire power to deal with 11.7 MBTs, and equivalent mobility to keep up with everyone. 2. Only facing downtiers right now (unless the player puts it in a higher BR lineup), because 10.3 lineups cant get to 11.7 and the 9.0~9.3 grinders are common, so its a downtier practically every match. 3. It _doesnt_ have HK or thermals, but neither do a lot of tanks at 9.7. So. It should be potent in a downtier, and "balanced" in an uptier at 11.7. I see no reason why it'll do poorly at 10.7, I absolutely see reason why 9.0 tank grinders are kicking themselves right now, because every time they hit the battle button, its an uptier with about 16 of these tanks rolling around. Its pretty bad. And 9.0 tanks are still using 1st or 2nd gen darts, so they have > 400 mm of pen very commonly, meaning they cant even reliably pen this this thing frontally. None of it matters tho! I'm reminded of a certain 8.7, quad-tracked, 130mm doom tank that rolled around at that BR for waaaay too long. So I doubt gaijin will move it currently, particularly with the amount of people playing it/creators praising how fun it is.

[@cubanspy1231]

Keep coping 😂

[@romeovictor6223]

@@cubanspy1231 They moved it to 10.3. So... I bet you feel kinda dumb rn lol. "keep coping" Mans hasnt had an original thought since 1965

[@somewagyuenjoyer]

now gaijin needs to add a troll vehicle, a custom polish tankette with a super long shell and a 1 mm cannon, or, well, gun it'll probably go like mach 30 and 1 shot anything

[@user-kv9uj9wx8r]

obj292 = M829A3 in Top Tier GB Test

[@o-hogameplay185]

btw, it lacks ~300mm of pen (it had ~1000mm pen irl)

[@qrew]

And so does DM53 aand DM63 ...

[@o-hogameplay185]

@@qrew 1000mm of pen? yeah dream more buddy

[@qrew]

@@o-hogameplay185 nah more like 750 mm's

[@polarpl247]

Leopard 2PL would tank it on the turret

[@Harbiytexnika]

Т-90М не пробился бы . Там и "Реликт" и корпус по крепче чем у Т-80.