BEST Budget Fat Tyre Folding Ebike? Engine Pro vs PVY Z20 PLUS 1000

[@e-VRC]

Engine Pro REGEN: If you want to know more about the Engine Pro's Battery Regen watch this video to see what happens at 0%: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXmniHydrNV7ndk However I thought new ones didn't have it so I didn't mention it. Get the PVY Z20 Plus 1000 here: pvybike.myshoplaza.com/?ref=yiglydhc Use the Code EVRC100 to get an extra 100 euros off Z20 Plus Review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6eqe3Sabrqro9E Get the Engine Pro here: shrsl.com/3tcqq (US) shrsl.com/44qgq (UK) shrsl.com/44qh0 (EU) Engine Pro Review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4OviJJtjLJgqs0 The AMAZING Hover X1 autonomous drone that follows us around: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bX6Wm313octjqsU

[@toydigger]

Concerning foldable E-bikes… Why is portability never tested? Especially for people using only public transport it would be nice to know if you can carry it up the stairs of a station, in the train and bus

[@alsaini9270]

Thanks for your video and good job, I was hesitating between these two models for a long time and I decided to buy a PVY Z20 PLUS, it looks really good.

[@e-VRC]

I was shocked how good it was.

[@trooperthatsall5250]

@alsain I ordered mine back in October and its just turned up, there is a delay to shipping, but PVY are rather quiet with the status and updates, that fact also I was promised a cover and disk lock to be thrown in for the wait sweetened the pot, but it never turned up.. ~Trooper

[@pvyebike]

@@trooperthatsall5250 Hi，Sorry to keep you waiting, The gifts were issued separately, and the staff did not give any additional notice because they were worried about disturbing customers. I just checked and all the gifts have been sent out, please wait patiently for a few days.

[@neodraig]

I first had ordered the PVY Z20 Plus (1000w), but the bike I received didn't have the same colour screen (a blue & white screen) and not the same motor as you Brits (I'm in France). Also it was missing a lot of options and I couldn't barely do any adjustments in the settings and I couldn't even use the accelerator when the bike was at full stop for instance (though they might have fixed that after many of us got really angry about that). As a result I send it back and got the Engine Pro instead and I'm really happy with it. It feels nicer : better screen, better grips, more convenient rear rack with more anchors points, better shifter, more convenient thumb accelerator, battery regen which also acts as a motor brake in steep downhills and save the pads of the brakes, mag wheels, sturdier folding system of the handlebar. The best thing is how customizable it is in the settings, you can even adjust the threshold of each speed level assist if you want. And because of the sale of the Black Friday, it cost me less than the PVY.

[@SamuelSegat6314]

I also encountered the same situation as you. After communication, it turned out that it was a temporary change due to insufficient display supply (they told me that the display in the picture will be restored in November), and then PVY quickly sent me the same information as in the video Same display and controller, I got all the settings back. I have to say that PVY deserves recognition. They have been optimizing quality and service. There may be shortcomings, but they have worked very hard to solve them. My friend owns an Engine Pro, and we went camping together. He also liked my PLUS very much. Its functions are not inferior, and it is even better in some details. It supports 5 levels of pedal assistance, and can also set a 6km/h walking mode in throttle mode, and the settings can also be customized. The package also comes with a grip without accelerator, which can be replaced as needed. It gives me more options and flexibility. I am very satisfied with my PVY Z20 PLUS.

[@pvyebike]

On behalf of PVY, I apologize for the bad shopping experience I have brought you. The issue with the display you mentioned has been resolved and customers will receive the same display as in the video and will be allowed to set it up themselves. PVY will continue to optimize product quality and customer service, Thank you again for your support.🤝

[@MauricioPlaza]

how did you and your friend encounter the torque power between them? in aesthetics i really like the Engine pro paint job and display and the e-regen, but the pvy torque is what maybe because my city is very hilly @@SamuelSegat6314

[@MauricioPlaza]

please consider a darker color like metallic blue or darker grey @@pvyebike

[@e-VRC]

@@SamuelSegat6314 pvy should give you a job 😉😂

[@akeelyaqub2538]

I dont understand why everyone prefers the engine over the pvy considering it won almost every comparison point. Am I missing something here?

[@Coolerthenjou1]

I think it is because PVY is a rather unknown brand end that Engine is more known and more people have the engine

[@burakarc698]

pvy z20 plus 500 vs engine ep2 pro which one is your prefer

[@Coolerthenjou1]

@@burakarc698 I prefer PVY bc it’s a not very well know brand so it’s kind of rare/special and it goes faster for the same price, (engwe EP2 Pro goed 30km/h for 999 euros, PVY 500plus goes 40kmh (when unlocked) for 1000 euros)

[@keyboardpatriot]

People lack the ability to think for themselves and question things hence following the crowd.

[@DeathCab4Cutie]

I was considering both of these brands, however, the PVY ebikes get my vote

[@PavloGamesYT7]

I bought the Engwe engine pro because of you last year so thank you

[@nul1fe]

yer likewise

[@e-VRC]

Hope it's served you well!

[@CleveStarke]

Thanks for the review mate. I have ordered my PVY and used your code thank you mate £86 saved 👍

[@davon8561]

Can't decide between these two . The 8 Altus gears on the Engine pro are better , should this be deciding factor ? . Also is the rear brake on Engine pro on the RHS ? ( if so this is just wrong !! )

[@silastutu4014]

Just received the pvy 1000 a couple days ago. Picked it because of your review. However my pvy came without a proper UK plug for some reason. Hopefully pvy can send me one. Other than that the pvy looks amazing in person. Thanks for the referral discount 👍🏿.

[@e-VRC]

Nice glad you like it! It's a fantastic bike. Hope they send one. They often don't come with a UK plug but I thought PVY's did. If you need an adapter all supermarkets have them but Sainsbury's do the best one I've seen.

[@pvyebike]

Please contact the after-sales support email and we will provide you with a solution, please don't worry.

[@MauricioPlaza]

i didnt understand the Torque part on the engwe, on their site it says 50nm but you say 80nm depending where you read... This is the most important thing for me

[@SamuelSegat6314]

I also have questions about the torque, and the engine pro has a motor power of 750W, not 1000W.

[@e-VRC]

The site says 55nm but in the past the ep2 pro said 80nm. I asked them about it and they said they got it the wrong way round but they haven't changed it. I think you have to take manufacturers torque numbers with a pinch of salt though. Going by their hill climb times the pvy definitely isn't double the engine pro.

[@e-VRC]

The motors are rated at 750 (engine) and 1000 (pvy). But the power going through them both from the battery/ controller is about 1000.

[@wwiinnggmmaann]

for a heavy rider (130kg) would PVY z20 1000 still good choice? regarding to its 100Nm torque, fat tires etc, looks legit but still a bit confused about of its power, how would it be to use over some hills (not very high), and also what should I look for a less effort needed brand?

[@SamuelSegat6314]

I bought PVY Z20 PLUS in December last year and I am very satisfied so far. Last month I lost a part while riding, and PVY was very responsible in helping me solve the problem. In fact, it can climb slopes of about 25 degrees, and can support a maximum weight of 150kg. If your weight is 130KG, the climbing speed may be affected, but overall it is within the tolerance range. Hope this can help relieve your doubts

[@daztastic147]

Would have been good to see a test of how rideable they both are without any power or when on Zero assist

[@e-VRC]

Pvy is easier to ride without power. Both not the best but the engine pro motor seems to have more resistance probably due to the regen

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

My friend has an engine pro and it's not something you should buy if you want something you can ride with no motor assist. Very heavy bike which weighs 38kg. My 1500w conversion is below 30kg and that can only really be pedaled comfortably on completely flat ground and not very quick mind you.

[@LivingALife4Me]

Which would you suggest being the best for the shorter rider? Found seat height not a dependable way to pick a bike. I am 5ft 1. Thanks

[@e-VRC]

They're about the same. I think Meg is about 5'5 ish.and she rode both fine.

[@LivingALife4Me]

Thanks. Not confident on a bike. Need to get there though as have a Campervan and I prefer to park up and go exploring @@e-VRC

[@mikequinlan9031]

how is it as a push pedal bike, lets say battery flat could you easily cycle home if you had say 3-5 miles to go?please

[@tandrewl1]

1000w motor illegal on roads in UK is it not?

[@andrzejkwiatek1617]

Where can you buy a saddle for the trunk?

[@카라반아웃렛]

PVY Z20 Plus is legal in UK public road?

[@Fugayzy]

I'm also confused about this.

[@leemizrahi5977]

Late reply as only come across the post. The pvy is legal as its 250 watt from factory thats how they bypass this and also throttle needs to be removed then the rider if he so wishes can unlock to 1000 watt and speed is over 33mph as seen on other videos . There are 2 pvy z220 plus editions the 500 and the 1000 both 250 watt out the box but both have different software.

[@garymurray5361]

Mr e bike guru, how do you get the PVY z20 to start from throttle only? 1 week of head scratching so far.😂

[@e-VRC]

Which z20?

[@garymurray5361]

@@e-VRC oops sorry, z20 plus 1000. I'm a old idiot 😉

[@e-VRC]

@garymurray5361 haha no problem. I was hoping you'd say the pro because I did that one on the video... mine was already unlocked so I didn't have to do it but sometimes to unlock throttle you do some stuff when you turn it on. Try holding a break then turn on the bike and keep holding it for 10 seconds. If it doesn't work try the other brake, try a brake with the throttle held. Try different combinations. Remember to move out of pas level 0 to test the throttle.

[@garymurray5361]

@@e-VRC excellent, thanks. Tomorrow I will play. 😉

[@garymurray5361]

@@e-VRC life and idiot mode 😉 Thanks for your help.

[@deanspeller6074]

Why didnt you unlock the PVY. You can get 30mph plus

[@nunderwood3685]

So just to clarify if it was your own money you would buy the PVY? Or would the better gears sway you to the Engwe? I’m so undecided 🤪

[@e-VRC]

Yeah I'd choose the pvy over the engwe. Cheaper and generally better. I like the engine gears but they're a luxury really.

[@nunderwood3685]

@@e-VRC thanks for your reply They are very closely matched but getting the opinion from someone who has ridden both has really helped. Thanks again.

[@e-VRC]

@nunderwood3685 no worries. As i said in the video they're both great. The pvy is punchier but the engwe has better gears and slightly higher top speed. But pvy is cheaper which means it wins for me.

[@Gad8Coner]

I been thinking buying one of them but I hear there both have bad build quality and customer support it bad too? Just like if that is true or not..

[@pvyebike]

PVY's customer service attitude is positive, we take every supporter seriously, please rest assured.🤝

[@rauldelaosa3727]

Muchas gracias esque la veo más completa en todo y encima con la certificación de legal y encima vale menos dinero también gracias

[@columlynch4229]

Goof humour. One big plus that wasn't mentioned is that the engwe engine pro has energy recuperation and the pvy doesn't. I live in very hilly countryside and i love it because it basically gives me enough free electricity to go half way up the same hill that I came down on.

[@Christopher-cq1s]

I purchased the Engine Pro in September, unfortunately the energy recuperation barely works, I think it may be a false publicity gimmick. (Maybe it will work in the mountains, but it didn't work for me)😂

[@columlynch4229]

@@Christopher-cq1s hello and good morning to @Black-. It works for me when I have it in level 0 or 1 mode eco, normal or sport. I live in DRUMLIN country which are mostly 300mts elevation and 20 to 30% inclines. In fairness I wish it had better torque . 55nm isn't enough as I have to use my own power to make it up . Apart from that I'm very happy with it.

[@MauricioPlaza]

hey i live in Lisbon and is super hilly, kinda same inclines, my current ebike is like 30nm and has leave me on some places due incline, when you use pedal assist, you feel like have to put a lot of effort?@@columlynch4229

[@shahan1465]

@@columlynch4229 pvy goes 30 mph an hour fam

[@JulianArthurs]

Thanks for this. For years Ive thought about getting Engwe Eng Pro but worried over a copper crushing it. Then I saw Pvy and its price. Still in terms of PPOOOOWWWEEERRR Eng Pro still wins for me plus Eng Pro has the kers regen, peddle hard enough to trickle charge the battery.

[@nul1fe]

the regen on it aint all that good, only works in assit level 1 and going over 12-14 miles an hour but if u remember about it when going down hill it helps a lil, wish it was brake regen

[@JulianArthurs]

@@nul1fe Unlike you and your blessed canal life, we have hills + canals hey by the way your partner is more photo than you. We have canals too, shopping trolleys. But the kers would work here. I havent cycle since i broke a foot but the power needed through bottom bracket and crank was way more than 250W used to watch Tour de France struggle up Alp D'Heus think poofs, do that on me paper run. Hence British French Tour north of Venice of Birminghamland we need more than 250w to deliver the hovis bread

[@Christopher-cq1s]

@@nul1fe You're lucky, mine barely works and I've given up😮‍💨

[@nul1fe]

yer na it hardly works also i just dont get why they never made it brake regen.

[@JulianArthurs]

@@nul1fe (we doin accents?) Are we doing accent nah cos I like it, dont like price. I reckon a poorly educated wipper snapper could nick one wi is bird on a black suron at 4am. Coppers will be at 24h maccies

[@dermotsheehan6331]

Egnww has regen ?

[@drewheffero9672]

You really know how to show a girl a good time... Get her to throw drink all over herself...your a genius 😂

[@andrzejkwiatek1617]

If you didn't pay attention to their price, which one would you choose? And why

[@e-VRC]

I may still go engine pro just because I love Altus gear levers. But pretty much everything else is better on the Pvy.

[@andrzejkwiatek1617]

I wonder if the parts in PVY will wear out faster than in Engine Pro?

[@e-VRC]

@@andrzejkwiatek1617 Quality wise they seem about the same.

[@andrzejkwiatek1617]

​@@e-VRCWill a larger amount of Nm result in faster wear of Pvy parts?

[@farjamh3756]

engine pro absolutely is a better choice. i have it for 2 month and it is great.

[@Trista.dailyvlog]

I chose PVY PLUS after comparison. It has a better price and better performance. It has taken me to further places.

[@andrzejkwiatek1617]

Does the PVY bike have its power unlocked in the movie?

[@e-VRC]

Yeah it does 👍

[@andrzejkwiatek1617]

​@@e-VRC Is there a video of him driving without unlocking the additional power?

[@rauldelaosa3727]

Soy de España resumiendo un poco por el idioma no entiendo bien cuál delas dos os parece mejor o son muy similares

[@sylhettv8602]

price

[@rauldelaosa3727]

Soy de apaña al final cual bicleta os parece más completa a mi me gustan las dos pero me decantó pvyz20

[@SiaBlade]

A mi me gusta mas la PVY, por 2 cosas, el motor es de "250w" o almenos es como te lo venden, aunque pille pico de 1000w y eso lo hace legal, almenos aquí en Barcelona, además de que te dan el certificado de la UE, por lo que si te paran, tienes papeles de la bici en regla. La otra es que la parte de atrás aguanta 50kg, puedo llevar a la novia en viajes cortos!

[@eBoard3R]

*Haha, the overpriced Prime drink test!* 😂 ⚡🤙🏼🤙🏼⚡ ps tried prime, not for me, tasted betrer when I added lots of water 🤣 Great ebike comparison 🤙🏼

[@e-VRC]

Cheers! I was surprised how much I liked the 2 flavours we got 🤣

[@Bob-bo8ik]

Tyres?

[@nul1fe]

whats pvy support like tho, engwes is pretty decent, they get back to you within a couple days unless chinese holidays which they let you know, and generally they will replace/send out a new part, only you have to fix it which is pretty obvious tbh

[@neodraig]

I had a dented mudguard when I received my PVY Z20 Plus so after an exchange of emails they send me a new one (at first they offered me small refund) . Also as the bike I received had a different display, controller and motor as the one in the KZbin reviews (including e-VCR), I asked for a return and they fully refunded me the bike, which was really nice of them (I believe they now have sent a new controller and display to the people who had a similar problem as me). Except during holidays period, they are quite fast to answer.

[@SamuelSegat6314]

PVY's customer support does a great job, they resolved my issues and always got back to me quickly.

[@nul1fe]

thats cool, yer i think my battery is a bit damaged as when it goes below 100% it drops so fast its proper anxiety attacking lol, but i need to recorded it for proof for them to do something if i want them too

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

​@@nul1femore than likely it's just showing 100% for longer than it should to make you believe the range will be longer than it is, then it finally catches up once you've run the battery down a bit. iPhones do the same thing.

[@davidraynorsnow]

Know which one I'd like to ride😊

[@Erik-LehnsherrX]

Cheeky 🤣😝

[@nul1fe]

Good thing about bikes, you can upgrade there power :D

[@e-VRC]

Very true!

[@nul1fe]

u can upgrade all parts of the system, and as long as ur within parameters all should be ok

[@HansomEden-o1g]

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[@ChildMonica-b1z]

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[@nul1fe]

Well my Engine pro came with a uk plug :P

[@e-VRC]

Engwe have never given me a uk plus so that's good to hear.

[@lawrencesantos3724]

My Engine pro came in this afternoon and with a uk plug. Bike seems solid and I am happy with it. I initially wanted the Pvy but due to unforeseen issues I ended up going for the engine pro. Plus Black Friday offers also played a factor.

[@nul1fe]

a tip put locktite on your bolts they get loose and fall out, had lots of problems untill i got locktite , ended up loosing bolts lol. you will thank me later for it :D

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

They finally listened after like 2 years of complaints regarding that

[@e-VRC]

@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe 😂🥳

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[@OrpiAktar-g1y]

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[@stevehegarty5394]

Engine pro every time its the real deal,the other bike is just a poor copy

[@HolmesElla-n4g]

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[@Puretea4711]

DO NOT BUY THIS BIKE. It's of very poor quality. It may look nice and work well for the first few months, but then you'll start seeing problems. I've had mine for over 6 months. After the first time I folded it, the handlebar folding pin came off in my hand. The battery no longer charges fully, and with the little charge it does hold, I can't go more than a couple of kilometers. The charger doesn't work properly anymore either. To top it off, the customer service is awful and slow. They take weeks to respond. I'm still waiting to hear what I should do now that the bike is unusable. Spend a few hundred euros more on another product because it will definitely be worth it.

[@pvyebike]

This may be a misunderstanding. PVY values every user. Please continue to contact the after-sales support email. I believe the staff will give you a satisfactory answer.

[@karimbentley]

Wich of the 2 bike you talking about?

[@Puretea4711]

@@karimbentley PVY

[@AndrewAdolph-n7n]

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[@TheAegisClaw]

100nm torque, such BS

[@e-VRC]

I'm unsure where the numbers come from. But that's why I do the hill climb leaderboard.

[@petee074496648]

the woman didn't seem to know anything she just seemed to be playing trump cards and new nothing without her phone !!

[@Jahad_Pakistan_ka_ilaj]

No climbing test 🧐

[@e-VRC]

Yeah there is