Best Cockpit Or Wheel Stand For New Sim Racers?

With so many people receiving their first wheel and pedals for Christmas I thought we'd take a look at the different cockpit and wheel stand options for new sim racers! 😃
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[@LeoDavidson]

"Buy the best you can afford" Yes! I wish I had done this. I wasted money on a wheel stand, then upgraded it to a "cheap" (but several hundred quid) full cockpit because the stand was basically unusable, and then within a few weeks upgraded that to an alu profile one as I wanted more rigidity and to attach things to it. I would have saved money by buying the alu profile one in the first place. And the spare cockpit and wheelstand are wasting space in my house. :)

[@16gero95]

was it the gt omega classic by any chance?

[@LeoDavidson]

@@16gero95 No, those were hard to get where I am at the time, I think due to Brexit. I got a Next Level stand. It's fine as far as stands go but I quickly realised stands don't work very well for racing with a normal chair, desk and monitor setup.

[@voongnz]

Yeah this is ideal. I went from a computer desk I already had straight to 4080 aluminum extrusion. Bought 5 meters of 4080 and 2 meters of 4040, cut it to my dimensions and bolted it up with a ton of brackets. Saved more additionally by not getting a company branded one, which is basically the same design anyway. Buy once, cry once is the saying, but I didn't get hit that bad.

[@KarlGosling]

Leo this is the same route I went, but started on my desk before even getting a wheel stand! lol

[@LeoDavidson]

@@KarlGosling I used my desk back on the Xbox 360, and before that an ironing board for GT3 on the PS2, haha. That worked surprisingly well for what it was. TV screens are big and FOV is all wrong on console games anyway so I guess desks or ironing boards in front of the TV are fine for them, but on PC I want the monitor(s) closer. And the pedals or seat would always move. Depends on your floor a bit but I never got it perfect, even in houses where it was OK and with light pedals, it'd still end up moving and having to adjust mid-race, which isn't ideal.

[@AKCobra1120]

One other thing I think you should mention is a folding option for people like me who are space challenged. I bought a Playseat Challenge last year and I'm very satisfied with it. Now I'm far from a hard core racer so it's more than enough for me, but I think it's an excellent first purchase even for somebody who plans to go on to more serious setups. It's not only foldable for storage, but it's also pretty cheap (Not sure what they're going for now but I got mine for

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah foldable's take up about as much space as a wheel stand and are IMO a better choice.

[@Vortechtral]

I currently only have a Next Level Racing wheel stand. I went with them however because they also have a wheel trough for your office chair's casters. Two casters can go in this trough allowing you to basically stay planted under high braking etc without placing sandals or something to stop you from moving. There is an upgrade rear section if you so wish to get at a later date as well. It's a good stand, there is adjustability, however the wheel moves up/down and forward backward in a diagonal path. Down is away and down, up is forward and closer to you. Not the best but it's also not terrible. It is very sturdy, all metal, square tube, can be folded however it isn't the easiest to do so. Rather heavy as well, but that is a good thing.

[@rikone01]

Hey Karl, great info for those undecided. I wanted to mention I bought an Extreme Simracing VE 3.0 rig and extremely happy with it. I am using a CSL Elite wheelbase, but have no concerns that it could easily handle a direct drive wheel. It came with a bunch of accessories including the seat, but I also upgraded to the triple screen setup. Just another option for your viewers. I also bought a GT Omega Titan for my son and he loves it as well. He is very accomplished and has won a number of broadcasted races this past year. Happy New Year and keep the great content coming!

[@KarlGosling]

So many choices these days which is great! Sounds like he's doing really well! :)

[@Ricky-fs4tw]

Ooh

[@lovelaugh7299]

I bought the cute playseat foldable seat at the time where u did the review as my starter pack. I wasn't sure if simracing was for me but now I know. My 1st upgrade was a high end pc. My 2nd was monitor, VR. My next will be cockpit and then a DD wheel (have the logitech atm)

[@Steve30x]

I have a T300 with GTOmega wheel stand. I bought the wheel stand about five or six years ago. Its now known as the Wheel stand classic but the pedal base is better in the newer version. Also the wheel stand is a bit wobbly.

[@richardhall1243]

New to sim racing worked within my budget. I got a gt omega classic wheel stand off a mate for £40 then bought the back end now looking for a seat for it, got a t300 and really enjoying acc, great vids mate 👍🏻

[@KarlGosling]

A perfectly decent entry level setup mate! :)

[@chaseshadow]

Best advice for 2022 'Live to your means & expectations' : ) On point! Great work K! May your year be successful, full of better times & nicer memories. Keep it strong bro! Be in contact.

[@woodcote7617]

It was your review videos for the ART that convinced me to get a full sized rig.... whilst it does the job really well and does a good job with the CSL DD, now 1 year later and fully immersed into Sim racing I am thinking about the Prime..... but first I needed to know whether I was going to keep at simracing... so once again great advice Karl loving the channel

[@KarlGosling]

Prime is great value for money and it will be the last rig you ever buy, still way more money than the ART though of course.

[@corentco]

Another great video Karl! And Happy New Year. This past year I moved to the GT Omega Titan and initially was a little discouraged with trying to get a comfortable position (seat, pedals, wheel deck all), but after weeks of fussing with it I've been able to get into a comfortable position and am now very happy with it. It was a little frustrating though at first. I run a DD CSL and clubsport V3s with the performance kit and the titan handles them well. Great rig for my needs and setup.

[@KarlGosling]

For me ditching the pedal tray got everything where I wanted it. But we're all different shapes and sizes! lol

[@dwahnaslowdown8887]

I started with the GT-Ω classic wheel stand and a folding chair. I then upgraded to the Titan / RS9 combo, relegating the Classic to flight sim duty. I agree that the Titan seat-to-pedal relationship wasn't very comfortable. My solution was to make a wooden riser for the seat; about 3" in front and 2" in back. I sit that much higher, plus the tilt brings the seat cushion under my thighs better. Both are relatively inexpensive and I'm reasonably satisfied. I'd like to mention also that the support team at GT-Omega have been very responsive and helpful. One of my packages was damaged in shipping and a part went missing. They shipped a replacement out the same day I contacted them. On my titan order, they were out of seats the day I placed the order, so I just ordered the chassis. The two days later the seats were listed. I wrote to ask that if I now purchased a seat separately, could I have the combo discount? The person immediately responded with a "yes," and we arranged the sale and discount. The only problem I've had is that I never did figure out how to apply Karl's discount code.

[@KarlGosling]

My experience with them has always been good too. The discount is automatically applied if you just click through using my link, it's shown right at the very end when you pay.

[@randyiron2]

As a console user, I absolutely love my Gt Omega Art cockpit. Being as my Logitech g920 isn’t direct drive, it’s a perfect cost effective option. It’s also what I can responsibly afford in the hobby. Happy New Year Karl. Ive been a subscriber for about a year now and I still love watching your content. The best on youtube for sure!

[@KarlGosling]

Agreed mate, a good balance of price vs performance! :) Thanks mate, as always doing my best! :)

[@bauleycivic]

Agreed! I have a T300 and it’s perfect. Karl and Danny Lee sold me on it lol

[@DerekMoore82]

@@bauleycivic Too bad it's sold out. I'd buy one if I could..

[@bauleycivic]

@@DerekMoore82 I had to wait a while when I bought one before they came in stock. On their webpage you can put your email in and they'll notify you once they're back in stock.

[@DerekMoore82]

@@bauleycivic I ended up purchasing the only one they had listed as available, the Prime. So after a seat and taxes that was close to $900. It's been a week and they still haven't even shipped it yet though.

[@Mrl3oneco]

I preordered my GT Omega Art with the RS6 seat a couple weeks ago after watching some of your videos, when it arrives I'll be using the G29 I have on my desk. Eventually I want to upgrade to a CSL DD (8 Nm) and the ClubSport Pedals V3, then I'll use your Flex Removal video to have a more stable rig. Thank you for making this kind of content and for the GT Omega discount code, with the Christmas sale and your code I saved 30€ ! Cheers Karl !

[@KarlGosling]

Sounds like a great setup in the making mate, enjoy! :)

[@haraldjohansen1867]

I got a ts-ps racer on an Playseat Challenge and it works fine. Only real problem I have with it is the flex on the wheel plate. I'm considering aluminum profile but it's damn expensive.

[@Itsatarp1337]

Thank you for all your videos. allways very informative and well made, cheers!

[@adamalmqvist1789]

I’ve done everything within my power and budget to come down with. The playseat challenger (found one for 200€) and the thrust master t248. The only thing in my mind is the GT DDCSL for ps5. It’s ….Damn seems so much better

[@itsowen2113]

I’d highly recommend the gt omega art. It’s really sturdy with my t300 and comfortable too. Lots of adjustability. If you get the monitor stand, I’d recommend getting the art floor monitor stand because you can bring the monitor the best part of a foot closer to you rather than if you got the art monitor mount that fits directly to the art cockpit.

[@dean7273]

I've ordered exactly this (with separate wheel stand) for same reason. Will be arriving in a few days, super excited.

[@KarlGosling]

The comment about the monitor stand is great advice mate, as the closer you can get that to you the better! :)

[@jamesbaker9810]

I’m torn between the GT omega ART and the NLR F-GT cockpit. I’ve heard that the ART is more sturdy than the F-GT, but the The F-GT cockpit has the option to move between the 2 positions. Great video Karl :)

[@KarlGosling]

I think you would be happy with either if thats your budget mate, pro's and cons to both.

[@Thatlocomango_392]

i got a trak racer tr80, two reasons, i wanted something really adjustable, since im tall, and the other reason i wanted to upgrade to a dd1, knowing a 8020 cockpit will hold up to that force

[@blizzardmx-5]

Started with the Apex wheel stand paired with G29. Eventually added the seat base and upgraded to CSL DD and V3 pedals. Great solid cockpit in my opinion. All I did was added a coin in the gap between the end of frame under the seat base, that greatly reduced the bowing affect on braking. Not sure if you know where I am talking about. I can send you a photo if needed. 👍🏻

[@AleCM1998]

Could you show how you did it? Gonna buy the seat base soon

[@RockyMountain947]

Hi I just bought the csl dd with the 8nm power pack, is there a lot of flex with the Apex wheel stand or almost none? If it feels great I don't mind spending the money but also bought the table clamp and haven't tried out the table clamp yet.

[@AleCM1998]

@@RockyMountain947 i wouldnt buy it imo. I feel it is barely enough for my T300, althought I only have the wheel stand, not the seat rear (which would add extra stiffness). I would go for the Titan cockpit if I were u (or something at that lvl)

[@blizzardmx-5]

@@RockyMountain947 I don’t feel any flex at all while driving.

[@ProKush97]

Hi Karl, I'm a few months into sim racing now and I think its time to move from the desk to a rig. I could comfortably get the NLR GT-Lite or push the budget and get the GT Omega Art. One of my biggest questions is the whole monitor situation, I ideally want to go with a triple monitor setup but cannot find many great solutions for either rig. GT Omega do the triple monitor stand which I think would be great with the Art but is OOS. Any tips/advice?

[@danthomas7909]

Happy New Year! I new I loved racing on my Xbox and PlayStation. However, when I moved over to pc sim racing is when I decided to get a cockpit. I started out on a mid level setup, witch I used for about six months before I made the move to I top of the line unit. If you know you love sim racing and you committed to the hobby, get ready to join the dedicated group of us how never stop looking to upgrade to the next best thing.

[@KarlGosling]

This is indeed exactly how it is mate! :) lol

[@ricky-shay]

I use a t300 setup on a Wheel Stand Pro. Very budget yes but due to space constraints, I can fold it away so ticks a necessary box. If I had a big room though, things would be different

[@timmypunt3565]

I started with the same setup as you. Due to space constrains I upgraded to a NLR Wheel Stand DD for the CSW 2.5 and now CSL DD. I do miss the portability of that lil' foldable Wheel Stand Pro (H8A shifter on a horizontal bar, not stands the shifter add-on). The Next Level Racing wheel stand DD is a lot stiffer, but it still vibrates a lot with the wheel. Nice to feel road effects on the pedals. As it's stiff enough not to just flex where the wheel base is, but not so nice for the downstairs neighbors (very poorly isolated apartment / stand on 2 thick rubber anti vibration pads made for washing machines/dryers)

[@b9bot148]

I bought a wheel stand with a built-in chair holder. I don't have the room for a full-blown cockpit unfortunately. It's not a name brand but I've bolted a Moza R5 bundle to it and it is holding up nicely. It's more like the Apex wheel stand but also has the chair holder so you are not flying backwards when you hit the brakes.

[@huntersmith4079]

Just ordered the classic wheel stand. Thank you for the vids

[@KarlGosling]

Have fun!

[@eisa313]

Glad you did this video mate, just got into sim racing and im looking at potential wheel stand because my pedals keep moving back under my table. Currently looking at GT Omega, NLT and the basic stand from simlabs (WS-Pro) dont suppose you plan to review that any time soon?

[@KarlGosling]

I don't mate sorry.

[@louis-8225]

This guy makes only good & honest reviews, good video!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks Louis, appreciate that mate :)

[@TagmatonDomestikon]

As someone who is limited on space and needs something foldable and portable, I had originally bought a cheap wheel stand which I used with my desk chair. Was super uncomfortable, my arms would get super tired from being extended too far out to the wheel and my legs would get even more tired from also being extended and having no support. When not using a pedal, I had to have my feet just floating on the pedal which was really tiring for my left leg especially. I couldn't use it for more than 30 minutes at a time and because I was never comfortable, my lap times were not good. Because of this, I wasn't enjoying sim racing and stopped playing altogether. Recently I bought a playseat challenge and am super happy and now play multiple times a week. It is very comfortable and supportive, and I can happily stay in it for several hours at a time. Moral of the story is you need to get something that's purpose-built and comfortable. These cheap stands are really quite terrible and I don't know anybody who has ever been happy with one.

[@KarlGosling]

Good advice mate, I also think a foldable setup like the PSC is better than a wheel stand.

[@DG3GT]

Hard to go wrong with any GT omega cockpit. The art is more than good for any of the entry level wheels, CSL DD included. I have the GT Omega Titan with a DD1 and it's really solid

[@KarlGosling]

Agreed mate, value for money is good.

[@Flynth17]

I planned to get Playseat evolution for my CSL DD, but ended up ordering Trakracer TR80 lite + GT Omega Seats :) Buy nice or buy twice :) keep up the good content

[@KarlGosling]

A much better choice IMO mate yes! :)

[@thespegs]

I bought the Art based on your review video and the fact that you had been using it yourself!

[@KarlGosling]

Decent for the money i think mate.

[@Dean33774]

Looking at getting myself a rig, this has been a huge help

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate, glad it was helpful! :)

[@Jdmjunkie001]

What I would like to find is a cockpit that can be upgraded over time but uses the same basic structure, starting with a aluminum profile rig and going to a full motion eventually.

[@KarlGosling]

Any profile rig can be used in this manor, that's exactly what I've done with my GT Omega Prime for example... but all profile rigs of this size and shape are exactly the same from an upgrade point of view.

[@rickdubbink]

Recently bought myself the GT Omega Titan, can't wait for it to come in. I think for me it's perfect as it's not big but very riggid (?). Eitherway, I don't think I'll be going to any high level DD wheel any time soon, maybe a CSL DD, and a pair of V3 Pedals. Also I can mount a shifter if I'd like. Also bought the standard ART monitor stand, as I'll probably be running a single screen for a looooong long time, but I already got it and as it is a minimum spec, it works wonders.

[@KarlGosling]

That will be a great setup for year to come mate, the Titan is very solid

[@slyeb9367]

I ordered a Art Omega [ only one available ] and i will mount my CSL DD, Pedals and Fornula One V2.5. Will it be strong enough without mounting the extra bars you mentioned in the video? Great video btw again. Happy newyear!

[@KarlGosling]

It will, but your experience will be better if you stiffen it up a bit, see how you get on mate :)

[@wwjnz9263]

I have a GT Omega Apex, and I plan on going with a full cockpit. I was considering getting the tail end of the Apex, but for just $200 more I can get an aluminum profile rig, but that rig is bottom of the barrel. Thinking about it over the course of the year, I'm just going to take the jump to a good quality aluminum extrusion rig. Seeing that I will be spending over $200 for an upgrade. I may as well go all out.

[@KarlGosling]

Agreed mate, the Prime is only £679 (less with my discount) or there's the smaller profile rigs for around £300-£350 from the likes of Sim Hound or Sim Labs (those both would also need a seat added to the price).

[@TWLpontus]

Sound advice but some really expensive rigs will severely limit how you play and can add attachment like some very expensive F1 art simrigs. Stay away from those unless that is what you want of course. Do research and watch multiple reviews before buying. Happy new year everyone!

[@thomasquinn7199]

Just bought the CSL DD pro. I use the Playseat challenge (which I also used with my T150), very happy with my purchase and the playseat challenge won't be going anywhere anytime soon. There is flex but you really don't notice it when you're racing, still the best budget full cockpit from what I can see. And it folds away in 30 seconds! Love the vids @karl

[@KarlGosling]

Agreed mate, if you need a foldable it's great! :)

[@jessejames1999]

I bought the playseat to try using my logitech , found that I wanted to get more into it and just received my omega prime with rs6 seat . Absolutely loving it . Just waiting for fanatec to get some stock In as sold out . Is there any equivalent wheels and pedals roughly same price dd combos you would recommend?

[@welshtony1]

Thanks for this video. Not im more confused what I want to do. I was looking at getting a folding cockpit after watching some of your videos. Originally I was looking at getting something like a GT Omega Classic. Now after watching this I am thinking maybe the GT Omega Apex is my best option with the ability to add the rear end in the future if I continue in sim racing for some time.

[@KarlGosling]

It's certainly a good option mate.

[@jonathanehlers6855]

I went with the Next Level Racing GT Lite last year thinking I needed the portability but wish I went with something more rigid. The GT Lite isn't terrible with my G923 but if I wanted to upgrade to a DD I'd have to buy a more rigid rig.

[@KarlGosling]

I agree mate, a foldable cockpit is only really for people who must have one.

[@jonfrank4675]

Great video Karl. Really helpful. Any thought on Next Level Racings F-GT compared to the Art Cockpit? Similar sort of price point.

[@KarlGosling]

I'd say there's pro's and con's to both mate, but I don't think you would be unhappy with either if that is your budget.

[@elvish4432]

Hey Karl , what’s ya do??? Ya got a scrape!!! Hope all is well mate, Happy New Years

[@brendandoherty9379]

I just bought an rseat p1, it's expensive there's no doubt about it, but I only want to buy the cockpit once and I don't like the look of 8020, I went through weeks of back and forward trying to decide what I want or need, it's a hard decision but I agree fully with Karl, buy what you can afford

[@KarlGosling]

I also prefer the look of tubular rigs over profile, much nicer on the eyes! :)

[@sb50d]

I recently got an Omega Classic stand after watching your review, it suited me the best due to my lack of room to work with. You mentioned in a video that you made the frame more sturdy, I can’t seem to find that clip? Any links. And also loving your honest reviews, keep up the good work 👍🏼

[@KarlGosling]

The ART cockpit I stiffened up, search on my channel for "GT Omega ART"

[@sb50d]

@@KarlGosling Thanks Karl. It only took KZbin 2 weeks to tell me you replied. Just watched the video, stiffened up mods here we come. Thanks again Karl

[@Skinketern]

Sooo happy with my next level racing f-gt

[@wulliebhoy5015]

Ive just bought my 1st wheel ( G29) and went for the xr racing rig, not sure if its shit or not but im only playing ETS2 so im hoping its ok for me. I just wanted something that holds everything nice and tight and doesnt slide about. Also somewhere for the shifter to sit

[@rustycool1444]

Hello Karl, great as always! How do I know what seat fits my body type? Have you posted something about it? Also, I plan to buy the p1x and in the future I would like to buy the dbox motion system but I heard this cockpit is too heavy for it, what do you think?

[@KarlGosling]

Seat choice is 100% personal mate, not something I can help with really other than to say if you're a bigger guy buy a big seat! lol DBOX Should be able to lift any cockpit.

[@rynosraceroom66]

Do you hear of other sim-racing enthusiast finding a manufacturer near by & ordering aluminum profile cut to their specifications often ? There's a lot of engineers , & know it alls , who could build it . I'm curious whether or not it's worth the hassle . Thx for the content & education 🤘🏼🏁

[@KarlGosling]

A few have definitely done it, but I don't think it's super common.

[@eagletrippin]

I dipped my toes in with the $200 Playseat Challenge that I would move up & down the stairs every day to my living room, and within 4 months realized I was really into this sim racing shit, and upgraded to the $500 F-GT that stays in a corner of a bedroom. The F-GT is as rigid as I need, and I use a 20nm Podium DD now -- absolutely no movement. Takes some yoga to get in & out of, but I'm extremely happy with it.👍

[@DerekMoore82]

Will the F-GT work for a 6ft. tall, 260lb fat guy?

[@eagletrippin]

@@DerekMoore82 I would check out The Sim Pit's review of the F-GT. You can play around with the height & angle of the pedal base -- as well as raise the wheelbase plate -- to give your legs both a little more clearance & room to stretch your legs. I think at 6'0" tall you should be fine...

[@DerekMoore82]

@@eagletrippin I ended up ordering a GTOMEGA Prime with their fat guy xl seat. Hopefully that'll work out. But now I'm sitting here thinking "$850 for a cockpit.. I feel guilty.. should I cancel that order?" That's a lot of money.

[@eagletrippin]

@@DerekMoore82 Absolutely not! As long as you can afford it. I love my F-GT...but you should see the number of cuts on my legs & knees banging them against my rig getting in & out! Your rig is what I wanted, but I preferred to cut on some costs...

[@gregwootton]

Bought an RSeat P1 as a first rig, didn’t want to buy cheap and upgrade later on. Just wanted to buy something once that’ll last for years to come.

[@KarlGosling]

Perfect!

[@SidVish]

The GT Omega stands are great for anything other than DD drives. I have the GT Omega Apex. Its fucking great - no movement at with my Fanatec V2.5 base.

[@paullomas4620]

After 2 G25's and 2 G920's over the years, I treated myself to the ts-pc. World of difference!

[@KarlGosling]

Thats a massive upgrade, so much better! :)

[@ulugbek1995]

Hey man. What do you think of the NLR F-GT, especially compared to the GT Omega/Art or Playseat Evolution? I'm looking to upgrade and have those three options right now. I made the big mistake of buying the ADX seat almost two years ago as I was a bit excited to get started and your review wasn't out on it by then 🤦🏻‍♂️ It's ruining the experience for me

[@fad2679]

Haven't watched the video yet but I hope you mention the GT Omega Apex wheel stand. Not too expensive and super sturdy.

[@fad2679]

Yep, 4 mins in. Man knows his stuff.

[@stephenadams7596]

Would recommend ART with the 2 mods to stiffen it up as you have the flexibility to get thing in the correct place first. I moved stuff up down back n forward for a couple of weeks and then spent about £30 at B&Q for the flat bar an aluminium 20x20 channel for the bracing . I use a fanatec csw v2.5 wheel base ffb max out belive that about 9-10 nm club sport inverted load cell peddles as stiff as possible and have no flex . See the man man's vid about how to mod .lol you'll find whatever you buy you'll mod it from pc to game and hardware.

[@KarlGosling]

Sounds spot on Stephen, a decent cockpit that can handle a fair bit, I even had a motion platform on mine! :)

[@chrismccombe6961]

I have had wheel for years hardly used it and I bit the built and bought a 600 next level racing cockpit and genuinely it's transformed the experience I had like play set thing before and could never get things sit properly now everything is rock soild and it takes like 5min get racing don't buy cheap it will either put you of sim racing or you up grade it in years or so anyway so you just spend the money you think you're saving anyway I would actually tell someone to spend more on a rig than the wheel at the start if only starting

[@KarlGosling]

I agree Chris, I'm doing a video soon on what to upgrade first and a cockpit will be number one if you don't have something solid already! It even improves the experience with lower end wheels like the Logitech series.

[@chrismccombe6961]

@Karl Gosling could I ask your advice I have a fanatec csl elite wheel atm do you you think buying the new csl dd with 8n power pack would be a big upgrade that would do me long term or would I need to get something more to see the jump

[@azamat19]

The art cockpit is more rigid then the apex with rearframe because you have moded it or out of the box? I have started with a cheap ebay stand, than nlr wheel stand lite, than nlr fgt lite, than gt omega apex which much much better then the fgt lite. And now i have an aluminum rig.... I would suggest to everyone to start with the apex as its very rigid and the other options in that pricerange just can compete.

[@kilroy987]

I need a no or low flex rig that allows wheel height and tilt, seat distance, pedal distance and tilt, and either seat or pedal height. I don't need a monitor mount since I'll be playing in VR. I was considering the GT Omega ART, but it doesn't allow the pedal height adjust, and seems to favor the average-shorter build (I'm 5'10), since those with long legs would have to pull the wheel closer, which puts it higher because of the diagonal displacement - usually too high. I guess I'll keep looking. I'd prefer not to spend more than $500-600 for the rig and seat.

[@KarlGosling]

Really only ally profile cockpits will allow for all that adjustment, I'd get a GT Omega Prime (as they are the lowest price full size profile rig), it may just go over budget but not by much if you use my discount code too.

[@kilroy987]

@@KarlGosling Adding the seat puts the price over what I'm willing to pay. I'll keep my eyes open though!

[@MegaIronica]

My brother was lucky to find a Next level Racing F-GT (not light) new in the box for $CA 200. That is less than US$160. It was a bankruptcy sale that I recommended to him because I already had my DIY cockpit. However, my brother was never too serious about sim racing, so I confiscated it and bought him a Next Level wheel stand as an exchange 🤣. Now my DIY cockpit is a permanent flight sim cockpit and the F-GT has a CSL DD on it.

[@KarlGosling]

hahaha thats an excellent story! Turned out nicely for you! ;)

[@Birdman686]

Hey Karl thanks for the videos mate. Do you know if you can mount a gt omega chair to the ART cockpit or do you have to buy one of the racing seats? Don't mind doing abit of modding.

[@KarlGosling]

I don't think the bolt patterns are the same so no mate, you could make a custom bracket though.

[@Birdman686]

@@KarlGosling cheers Karl appreciate the advice I might have to save up a little longer in that case. Keep up the good work and hope 2022 brings plenty of success with the KZbin channel. 👍

[@LeMamour]

For me, it will be GT Omega wheel stand. I dont have a lot of Space. Maybe in the future add the seat

[@Inpreesme]

Thank you

[@phillupson8561]

Great review, to any new simracers welcome to the hobby, you're gonna love it! I use the Titan and would agree totally with Karl, great price, really sturdy but lack of adjustability, so if you don't think you'll want tactiles/wind/an HB mounted at the same time as the shifter it's a good buy, if those things do appeal however, go profile which is what i'll be doing next.

[@KarlGosling]

Great advice Phil mate.

[@minischindz4673]

Thanks for the tip phill. I am looking to get my first cockpit as I don’t have anything to put my csl dd on. I mainly want it to play f1. SO do you think the titan is good enough for that? I’m not looking to attach much on it

[@mdre83]

Another great video Karl. HNY to you 🥂 Anyone have any experience with the GT Omega Prime AND PSR1?

[@KarlGosling]

The only real difference is the pedal tray on the PSR1 is basically just more ally profile so is more solid than the Prime, but the prime will have less (or no) flex in the wheel deck uprights as they are secured using large plates not just four corner brackets.

[@mdre83]

@@KarlGosling perfect! Thanks for the info and reply mate, appreciate it. Take care and have a good one 👍🏻

[@vinnymoody9674]

The GT Omega Kit is a great first step into Sim Racing, I would always recommend their kit based on my experience, great value and look the part.

[@randyiron2]

I agree!!

[@KarlGosling]

Agreed Vinny :)

[@DerekMoore82]

Sold out, sold out, sold out.. it's like trying to find a retail RTX 3080. 😥

[@randyiron2]

@@DerekMoore82 oh man, that blows

[@DerekMoore82]

@@randyiron2 I went ahead and ordered the GTOMEGA Prime as it was their only product that wasn't sold out. But I feel bad because I shouldn't be spending $850 on a cockpit. My wife is gonna *kill* me.

[@MobileMrManiac]

Some great content. If only you had made this video 2 weeks ago, but I just got my first wheel and stand. I couldn't get anything to big because don't have the space and I need something I could store when not in use. I went with Boost Industries RC-GTSWS2 Foldable Racing Wheel Stand with Gear Shifter Mount. Cost $160 shipped. I got to say I wasn't expecting anything special, or solid. This is great, I don't have any problems at all. Takes 10 seconds to put away. Wheel/Peddle mounts are all adjustable also. I recommend it.

[@WondaYears]

I'm in the United States and need a stand for a wide body. Also, something that I can anchor with my gaming chair like a Next Level 2.0 but is not going to take forever to get here because its shipping from a different country. Any suggestions?

[@KarlGosling]

Sorry mate only the NLR 2.0 that I know of.

[@DanRuddick96]

Hi Karl, I love your content! I'm in the market for my first Sim Rig and have been saving for a while to get the best rig possible. I'm interested in the GT Omega Prime cockpit to go with a Moza R9 and Moza CRP pedal set. i would prefer the added realism of inverting the pedal set so that the pedals pivot from the top as opposed to pivoting from the bottom, As its a topic that isn't covered very often on reviews or videos, im curious if you can see a way in which this would work without major modification of the rig? Also, would you say the Prime cockpit with the RS12 seat is the best value for money (currently £720) or would you say for a similar value there is better on the market? Thanks in advance.

[@KarlGosling]

Hi Dan! Prime and RS12 will be the last rig and seat you ever buy mate, nice choice, job done! I'm not a fan of Moza stuff, everything they sent me and that I bought in was poorly made... but others seem to like so each to their own. I've never tried to invert any pedals that are not already intended to fit that way (Fantac V3's for example) so I have no idea mate sorry!

[@DanRuddick96]

@@KarlGosling thanks for your response, glad to hear i've made the right choice with the rig, i'll have a second look into the wheel and pedal sets to see what inverted options are on the market. thanks again.

[@themadnes5413]

i could buy a 1000+€ cockpit, but i just started simracing and dont see me spending that much money. So im now in between an alu rig (designed myself) for about 320€ or DIY from wood for around 150€. (using a moza r9 and crp pedals, but dont race atm just have no option to mount it proper right now)

[@nyallbrindley5014]

Hi Karl looking at getting the prime lite cockpit can I just ask out of the logitech wheel or thrustmaster alternative wich would you buy

[@nyallbrindley5014]

Logitech g923

[@KarlGosling]

If it has to be one of those two, probably the logiteh.. But I would look at the Asetek stuff unless you're on console? 𝗔𝘀𝗲𝘁𝗲𝗸 - www.asetek.com/simsports/?aff=Karl+Gosling

[@nyallbrindley5014]

@KarlGosling thanks for getting back to me Karl appreciate it and yes mate I'm on console xbox series x is there any other wheel options that stand out to you for console please

[@KuSQ3N]

Playseat challange if you want to move it, simlabs GT1 if you live in EU, p1 if you have to much monney 😁

[@kilartist1thedreamweaverga3]

I have a question, i am trying to decide between the Gt omega art or the playseat trophy logitech edition for my t248 thrustmaster. Any thoughts

[@KarlGosling]

Two very different cockpits mate, thats really up to you.

[@kilartist1thedreamweaverga3]

@@KarlGosling i think they are both solid bit just noticed the gt omega art is on sale for 479.00 so i may have to go with that..

[@kalkydra]

Is there a better alternative than the Playseat Trophy at that 500 usd price point? Cheers

[@KarlGosling]

GT Omega Prime Lite - www.gtomega.com/discount/GTO5?rfsn=4405211.88b36&Karl

[@spencertalan2563]

Newish to sim racing but have the dd pro 8nm plus the load cell coming in March, don’t have a lot of space but probably going to bite the bullet and order the nlr gt track soon

[@KarlGosling]

Thats far too much money for what it is IMO mate (£700!), you can buy a full ally profile rig like the GT Omega Prime with RS6 seat for £20 less, even cheaper if you use my discounted link.

[@spencertalan2563]

@@KarlGosling I know u might not have a full gt track to compare but would you say that the ally profile is reasonably similar in size? I guess size isn’t my main concern but I like that the track also comes with wheels standard, can you fit wheels to the full aluminum profile? I may be moving soon so size and portability between rooms is something I’m thinking about. Thanks for the reply!

[@SpasticSpud]

The playseat evolution was ok when it was sub £200 but now it's nudging £300 it's way too expensive considering its many flaws and the GT omega ART is a far better choice for not much extra cash. With foldaway cockpits I have tried both the playseat challenge and NLR F-GT lite. The latter is less compact when folded and quite a faff to set up and put away but much better in use and it's the one I would go for if I wanted a foldaway. I got very lucky and recently bought a NLR GT Track used for just £350 and the upgrade from my evolution was enormous. It's a very stable cockpit with no movement or flex worthy of mention. I'd strongly recommend looking for a used cockpit if you're starting out, some stuff is stupidly priced as is the way with a lot of things now but I've seen a good number of bargains too. Another cockpit I really like the look of and would like Karl to cast his eye over is the rock solid rigs RSR21. Made of ply and the reviews I've seen of it suggest it's a beast of a cockpit.

[@KarlGosling]

Agreed mate, thats a stupid price for a poor cockpit. Looking second hand will save loads of money, I bought most of my original stuff second hand when I first got into sim racing.

[@davidcupra4913]

Omega titan vs play seat trophy can’t decide for my living room that I can move to one side when need too.

[@KarlGosling]

Trophy is much lighter.

[@davidcupra4913]

@@KarlGosling which is the better in ur opinion.say with a gt dd pro.

[@kenbarthSimAV8tor]

I have a Playseat Evolution; and a Playseat F1 for driving and a F-GT for sim flying all in my game room eh :)

[@kenshinesca]

I bought a gt Omega Apex sturdier and more compact than something like the playseat challenge.

[@rossharper1983]

Which would you recommend for me, 6'3 height and due to a motorcycle crash I have to have my legs as straight as possible.

[@KarlGosling]

Without knowing you budget I can't really say mate, but you will need something that allows for good wheel deck front/back adjustment as having your legs out straight will put your seat very far back and you'll need to bring the wheel deck with you or you;d be struggling to reach it! lol An ally profile rig would be the best, whether it be a smaller one from say Sim Hound, or a full size one from GT Omega or Sim Labs etc.

[@rossharper1983]

@@KarlGosling budget is unlimited but space isn't. Something that can fold up and slide under a computer desk would be best solution

[@advanceddarkness3]

Here's the thing and its a tough pill to swallow. Its cheaper to buy expensive first, no point in throwing money away to "upgrade later".

[@KarlGosling]

Agreed... if you know you're going to stay in the hobby.

[@PrezziePrez]

Long shot I know but are these discount codes still valid as I am trying to buy the apex wheel stand and the discount isn't being applied. Cheers buddy

[@KarlGosling]

Yes mate, it's applied at checkout as you pay if you use my link or code KG5 I think.

[@thomaslaw1603]

I just ordered the NLR FGT, but I just came across this rig for the first time in this video. This is $320 cheaper. Any opinions on which is better???

[@KarlGosling]

You do't say which rig you're referring to mate?

[@thomaslaw1603]

@@KarlGosling my bad, referring the gt omega art compared to the NLR fgt!

[@VaticanTop]

Problem is more about space than money for me. I just dont have the space, and i play racing games maybe like once or twice a week at the very most...hard to justify when I have to put away a wheel stand or something in a closet and bring it back out to setup just to play for a few hours.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah thats definitely a pain, if you don't have space there's nothing you can do :(

[@puteraslayer]

Hye my name is Putra from Malaysia and is Logitech G 32 is a good steering wheel? For beginners?

[@Primo420]

Hey Karl, can you ask your man at Gt omega when the prime will be back in stock - the £££ is burning a hole in my pocket :)

[@KarlGosling]

I'll drop them an email, keep an eye on my community feed for the answer! :)

[@cstephen98]

I found that, for me with a 3060 ti, I can run it full resolution at either 80hz(high quality 79-81fps) or 70hz (ultra 68-71 fps). At 90hz you definitely need to crank down the resolution anywhere between 1.2 /1.4 to get into the 80's fps. It's surprising how much performance is impacted by the refresh rate. Very much a two edged sword. I find that I don't really notice much of a difference above 70fps. However, I prefer free roam cruising to racing. I'm sure when I get into racing I'll want to crank up the fps and crank down any unnecessary eye candy :) (It also makes me want to plug in my old quest and see how it does with these settings given that it has an OLED display vs LCD) It'll be interesting to see what the next couple of years bring. Right now the real bottleneck seems to be GPU processing for VR. They're adding VR extensions to GPU's but I wonder how long before a VR-Specific GPU is created? FidelityFX and DLSS seem a step in that direction.

[@funnyanimalworld7579]

buy chair , table and thustmaster t300 will be around 500euros probably cheapest option with decent starter wheel. I went for abit more expensive option and bought a car for 950 euros :D

[@antoine2814]

What is the Best wheel stand between : Next level racing 2.0 Next level racing DD Omega GT apex ??

[@KarlGosling]

DD Doesn't fold away but is the most solid. 2.0 VS Apex I'd say there's not much in it, maybe the 2.0 has the edge with it's pedal tray.

[@antoine2814]

@@KarlGosling thanks

[@cjcammy1238]

hey can you lift the ART Simulator Cockpit higher up seat and wheel hope you understand what i means not the best to English

[@ienaridens7979]

some time is not even the money but the foldability... so I got the playseat challenge that with very few mod can be as sturdy as this one but can be stored out of my wife eyes when not in use 😉

[@KarlGosling]

Definitely mate! :)

[@yubos98]

I wish I saw this video before I made my purchases. I ended up buying the NLR Wheelstand DD and bolting my own seat to it and honestly, I feel like I overpaid. GT Omega ART looks a lot more bang for the buck and I feel like it's wouldn't be too flimsy either. I mean, I can hear some creaking with my Moza R9 on my Wheelstand DD and even though it doesn't flex under load, I can't say like that thing is rocksolid either.

[@KarlGosling]

It is strong money for a wheel stand mate.

[@eelomaa]

I’ve got a bigger problem than being cheap, I don’t have room for a cockpit and work desk so the work desk wins for now.

[@KarlGosling]

You're not alone there mate.

[@bestopinion9257]

What's so cool with aluminium?

[@colinmcleod1828]

My gt omega titan is a game changer

[@MobileDecay]

$20. Folding dinner table is what all the pros use! 👌

[@CaptainDomestic]

I have no idea why anybody would choose a wheelstand over a Playseat Challenge. Having the seat bolted to pedals is great. Planning to upgrade eventually but I got a ton of value out of the Challenge over the last year.

[@KarlGosling]

I agree mate.

[@bestopinion9257]

It has seat included and you can't be sure if it fits for you. It doesn't look durable. Neither pedals nor steering wheel are strong into position. No room for shifter. If you buy it you have to modify it to be more reliable and sturdy.

[@phil920]

Simple : Simlab GT1 Evo : sturdy, excellent Q/P ratio

[@KarlGosling]

Decent midrange cockpit, not as solid as a full size ally profile option.

[@doggieboy773a]

I like your cat!

[@KarlGosling]

She's great! :)

[@bobk4438]

I need a cockpit with a cup holder.