BEST EDC LIGHT? Tactical Light Comparison - Cloud Defensive MCH

What's the best handheld light for a tactical Every Day Carry? We break down what we believe are the 4 popular options on the market right now based on a few criteria, including self defensive applications and more. After the release of the Cloud Defensive MCH, we decided to pit it against the Modlite 18650 OKW, the Surefire Fury Tactical, and the Streamlight Protac HL-X. Which one comes out on top? Which is best for Lumens or Candela? Let's find out.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:20 Specs
5:58 Lumen Test
9:47 Consistency Test
10:45 Candela Test
14:25 Color Temperature
16:16 CRI
18:30 Practical Tests
22:41 Buttons & Switches
25:53 Thyrm Switchback compatibility
28:05 Updated Test results
30:49 Summary

[@MixBetterNowTV]

Always makes me laugh that a HOLSTER company (not a gun/gear review channel) is making THE BEST WML/EDC LIGHT VIDEOS on KZbin. Period. Major props to you guys and thank you!!! Keep them coming! 👊🏼🗽⚔️🇺🇸

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks for the positive feedback! I am honored to have so many positive responses such as yours. And am glad that we can provide something valuable to the firearms community.

[@nebraskahealthcarestaffing4200]

You guys are absolutely KILLING it with this comparative analysis. Thank you for your work on this.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks much! It's fun for me to try things out and to see which ones perform best for me. There are a -ton- of lights out there and it's tough to review them all, but we're going to keep working on it!

[@jerdog333]

I got the CD MCH with the EDC head, and I love it! I was sick of burning holes in my pocket and needed a light that had an ND protector. I've carried this one for 8 months without a single ND. Also, it's bright as heck, and feels solid as a rock. As a civilian, this is more light than I'll ever need...I hope! haha. Great review! Thanks!

[@The_Arid_Apostate]

First video I’ve ever watched from this channel. And I have to say I am seriously impressed!!! You guys put some serious time and research into this video. Phenomenal information and incredibly helpful!!! Thank you for putting in the hard work to share this information with everyone!

[@Agnos7692]

always impressed to see CRI discussions on WML brands, where it really hasn't taken a hold of users yet. Not the most important spec in a tactical scenario, but super important to some of us in an edc light. great vid!

[@lcusatis]

Amazing work! Werks is doing the best work in defensive light breakdowns and reviews. Incredible and very much appreciated.

[@WerkzHolsters]

My pleasure! It's fun for me as well to see which light is really the best!

[@gebeme11]

Once again, this is the best channel on youtube. Once again, I see no reason to buy anything other than a Streamlight. Looking forward to the destructive testing.

[@dalestark3343]

Excellent and in-depth reviews as always Sham

[@fin_jan]

Really stellar review! For a holster company, this is above and beyond. I just completed a 2-day Low Light course at the Sig Sauer Academy, and your checklist of light requirements is just what I'm looking for

[@1robertcourtney]

You do awesome work with your reviews, so thank you for the excellent and informative feedback!

[@darren3589]

What an absolutely fantastic video... I have been seriously considering purchasing the CD MCH (whenever they replenish their stock that is) and this has definitely given me some food for thought. I was torn between the EDC and HC heads, but after seeing how far short both fall in terms of both candela and lumen output, the HC definitely seems to be the way to go. I like the beam/spill pattern better on the CD than the modlight and thus it is still my favorite of the bunch as of now. I am eagerly looking forward to your torture testing of these lights. Thanks for all you do; you've broadened my level of knowledge about lights tremendously from your videos in ways I didn't know I needed to learn. Cheers and keep up the great work!!

[@subaruforester5062]

New drop of mchs today dual fuel and you can program for different outposts

[@youreright7534]

The cloud MCH is amazing. I went for a clear ano(strongest coating), high candela(more blue white, better battery life) and I've ran it for nearly a year now with 0 issues

[@alexpham4501]

You have been so helpful in my concealed journey. Thank you! I just ordered a holster for my Hellcat with a tlr7 sub. Can’t wait!!

[@WerkzHolsters]

I'm glad we could come along side you to inform!

[@vp2747]

As always, amazing video. Thank you!

[@coffeeandlifting]

This channel is doing the best work on this topic by far. The higher resolution runtime for the first five minutes is outstanding. This is the programming that matters for most real-life use. It's so interesting to see the different strategies between brands. It looks like the Surefire is being driven extremely hard for the first minute (greater than rated output)! I think this is common programming for SF as I see this pattern in my P3X as well as my EDCL1-T when testing relative output with a simple solar-cell. In contrast, the Modlite drives at 100% for three minutes which is probably only possible/safe due to the lower total output. These new lights are crazy. It was just a few years ago when LED handhelds weren't even powerful enough to require step-down programming for thermal. I still have a 320 lumen G2X and even a couple 500 Lumen P2X's that run at 100% drive for the entire regulated runtime.

[@WerkzHolsters]

I appreciate your observations on the data. There is so much that can be said. That's why I like to provide the raw data for you to dissect, as I cannot speak to all the things that can be derived from it.

[@jlappin6277]

First time finding this channel my friend.great job on this content I signed myself up to your channel as I enjoyed listening to you educate great job.🔦

[@ucanon2662]

Also, keep in mind, Streamlight has an exceptional warranty!

[@badgerkitteh]

they have been fantastic when I've had to send lights in a couple times. Of course I've never had to send in a surefire or modlite.

[@boomstickman71]

I carried a PolyStinger for 6 years as an LEO, and when I got out I sent it in to Streamlight and they sent me back my light with a new switch, looking like brand new. All I had to pay was shipping and $11 for a new rechargeable battery, and it was like having a brand new light.

[@rightushook8700]

Need a new edc light and just like when I was looking for wml I look for werkz hoping for a video and you guys again save the day.

[@WerkzHolsters]

I'm glad we could help out! We are built a decent library of test results and comparison videos; hopefully it's helping out lots of folks in the firearms community.

[@jamescook9833]

Why are Elzetta bravo lights always excluded from your tests?

[@readyup1809]

Freaking amazing! Great work. What a great way objectively to hold these companies accountable.

[@WerkzHolsters]

That's part of my purpose with these vids. Thanks!

[@AffordableArmory]

Great video! I’m probably a little biased because I already carry one, but I’m going with the Streamlight. But you did sell me on the Thyrm Switchback. Definitely getting one now.

[@lcusatis]

As a defensive light, Modlites are in my pocket and on all of my rifles. In my experience I have found the OKW to be great if you have a magnified optic, PLHv2 is great for more flood and better situational awareness compared to the OKW head. Both are awesome but if I could only pick one it wold be the PLHv2.

[@fuzze321]

what a great video, thank you!

[@yourfilipinotv6477]

Excellent video. High Candela + Thyrm Switchback = Rock and roll. With Thyrm Switchback you can use it for striking as well, knuckle dusting, aside from striking with the flashlight itself. Because the 2.0 version of Switchback is more sturdier that it can withstand impacts compare to the first version of it.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks for sharing your feedback!

[@mcmlxv9827]

I have the CD MCH EDC Dual light. It is my favorite light thus far. I like the dual; it is very functional, both modes have their use and simple to adapt to. I've never tried the Modlite, a single mode didn't interest me and it's $100 more, although if they offer a two mode I'll probably buy one. I own and have used multiple mode lights; Olight, Thrunite, etc. Ultimately the simplicity of the MCH is awesome; one button, no side button to fumble for, and the two modes are all that I really need indoors and out.

[@azngoldflame]

Awesome video! I still love my modlite okw. I bought one for my rifle during launch and have upgraded to okw dual fuel heads for more versatility in case I run out of 18650s.

[@george5120]

I returned my Modlite OKW for a refund. Seems to have been a manufacturing defect. The spill was awful.

[@mattjay6633]

I love my cloud mch18650 single output HC.. have carried everyday since they launched

[@Sprice93USAF]

This was really good 👍

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks much!

[@danielstevenson1250]

The candela numbers are staggering awesome!!!!

[@fin_jan]

Great info. Just to be picky, I would love to see the same stats on the CD EDC head. That's the one I am considering carrying, too. Thanks!

[@IsraelMagalit]

Great job

[@TipTop_171]

thanks for the video

[@KrisCox]

Thanks for noting the usefulness of the flood area.

[@WerkzHolsters]

My pleasure!

[@fixedfocusmediaofficial]

The Elzetta Bravo B331 with a Thyrm Switchback 2.0 is the most durable light ever made and has a proper rotary tailcap for self defense. It is waterproof inside and out, has fully potted electronics, and a 1 inch thick solid acrylic optical lens. It is also modular and 100% American made, significantly more durable than the lights in this video. I like my Surefire lights and Streamlights but they are toys compared to my Bravo. Surefire is definitely a step up from Streamlight though.

[@e7tegt503]

I’m sure you know this but some flashlight manufacturers offer multiple switch boot options to select your preferred switch resistance. It would be nice if this feature was available on defensive type lights.

[@anthonyortiz4538]

Y’all do an amazing job with these videos, I have the cloud rein 2.0 on my rifle and an mch edc as my daily light and I’ve been blown away by them, sometimes I’ll take the HC head off rifle light and throw on my handheld

[@Markyymark662]

Lol same here! I can’t decide which I like better for pocket and which I like better for my home defense 12.5in bcm, if I could only have one I guess I prolly would go with the HC their both good tho! And also if you have the HC head on your ar15 it is really nice to use as a point of aim, I shot mine awhile back right after I got my rein 2.0 and it really well inside of 15yds with my light beam, close up in a house that’s honestly prolly all I would use it light em up with that tight beam and shoot lol, which is really nice, not to have to worry if the eotech has auto shut off yet!

[@onedirection3510]

Second time watching this video. For me hands down the HL-X is the best light for the non-LEO average person. Regarding the slight water absorption failure, at the end of the video, I still see that the stream light took a massive beating, and was still functional, even compared to the others. For the average person, there’s almost no way any flashlight you carry regularly or semi-regularly is going to have to withstand even 1/4 of the abuse received in this video. The stream light didn’t quite shine through the car headlights as well but again, I think that would only come in to play in a law-enforcement situation.

[@jpmartinez961]

Would have like to have seen the Surefire E2D in this.

[@freneticfanatic]

Cloud MCH HC user, here. I find the Cloud beam profile to be more useful than the Modlite okw. I think the Modlite plhv2 is a better overall light for most purposes, especially EDC. That said, Cloud recently released the REIN 3 head which is 100k candela and even more lumens than the HC(2.0) head and without the drop-off in power.

[@e7tegt503]

Your reviews are amazing. I like my modlites. This confirms what I’ve seen from beam shot comparisons. Cloud defensive is great but the modlite outperforms it.

[@Osprey1994]

It's unfortunate that the person in charge of Modlite makes it impossible to support their company.

[@thesickening0169]

@@Osprey1994 Interesting in hearing more about this. Could you elaborate? I don't know anything about the owner of Modlite, and want to make sure my money goes to the right place.

[@Kross8761]

Im very interested to see if Cloud Defensive's new MCH (they don't seem to really market them as "Gen2" but moreso just a refinement or re-invisioned MCH) Performs better. I was super interested in getting my hands on an MCH, but after seeing their lights didnt meet spec i was put off. I have no doubt that the quality of the light is excellent, but at this price bracket the specs are EVERYTHING. I think for my candela monster I'm going to end up putting together a Modlite body and HRT AWLS head after seeing how well the AWLS performed as a rifle light. I like the increased lumen output while still putting up excellent candela figures as well. HRT I think is missing out by not offering a more easily accessible AWLS handheld option. The AWLS head on a modlite body also gives me Thyrm compatibility to use either a switchback or LPC, and gives me more lumens than a PLH-V2 and more candela than an OKW, it's better than the best parts of both modlite heads in my opinion. We have so many companies pushing the envelope and what can be achieved in this size of light that I'm constantly amazed. My current EDC light is a Fenix PD32 V2 which has a max of 1200lumens and about 39000candela, and the switching is good but not perfect for a "defensive" EDC light. It has a mode memory and will always momentary in the last mode you used it and can only change modes once you've turned it to constant on so it's workable (and very comfortable to carry) but I comfortably carried a much larger light for years and wouldn't mind getting a slightly larger light for the extra output that the AWLS would give me.

[@bigshoe84]

I’ll take the less candela more floody lights for my use, not sure what I need to see at 400 yards away. But I also understand people prefer different things.

[@ThePimpinluigi]

Great job on the review. I myself will be using the Cloud defense. This for for a couple reasons. CD is $100 dollars cheaper (even more if you can get the professional program discount). They may not have met their specs but still better then the other two. It will be interesting once the Surefire turbos are available and test those out.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks for the feedback! I think the CD light is a great one. I'm thankful for CD looking for ways to solve the ND problem, and think this advances the handheld light market.

[@kingpin3919]

When do the turbos come out?

[@ThePimpinluigi]

@@kingpin3919 I believe there are some in the wild. They are on websites but sold out everywhere. I have an x300u. And from what Surefire has said, it will be the same size. So in theory you should not need a new holster.

[@WerkzHolsters]

@@kingpin3919 Ask Surefire! I am anxious to get my hands on them myself!

[@josephsantana3094]

On principle this is wrong of them so be so far off of their specs and they should be expected to answer for it regardless of their pricing. Your standards should be higher. This kind of mindset is why so many companies across all industries get away with ripping people off.

[@tylerreis7627]

Did you swap batteries or test them? Also, what body is on the modlite? If it’s older it may not support the newer head

[@Gieszkanne]

I think the Nextorch TA30 has the best UI.Two stage tail switch. First stage turbo second (deeper push after some resistance) strobe. You have an additional switch ring at the tail so you can also use it as edc with smaller outputs. But if you have it turned on on a smaller output you still have direct access to turbo or strobe via the tail switch.

[@douglasshouganai2516]

This content is amazing! I'm sure it's pretty time consuming to produce as well. I'll be sure to support the company with some orders soon! ;)

[@Rich_EDC]

The time the effort and the quality of this video made me a sub 4 life. ... or until the end of civilization?

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks much for the sub and the positive feedback!

[@onedirection3510]

Nice Werk! No consideration for Fenix? I’m considering the PD32V2 and the PD35v3. Thanks.

[@WerkzHolsters]

So many lights, so little time... not sure when we would get to those...

[@MrTnn26]

For situation awareness and a defensive flashlight i always carry E2D Defender ultra.

[@scottdanadavis5762]

Plan to get the Cloud Defensive eventually. American made, and seems like the best. Might consider the Modlite, just too expensive.

[@bradleyj365]

What did you end up getting? I just bought a MCH HC and so far I love it.

[@Markyymark662]

Yeah the mod lite plhv2 shines very similar to the mch of not a tiny bit further throw so I knew the okw would for sure be more candela than the mch. Me and my brother hve compared all of our lights and we both said either mch is overrating their stuff or modlite is underrating their stuff!

[@bjornegan6421]

I have done a bit of research and ended up with a Malkoff devices light. It is unmatched in robustness (perhaps a con for some as it is very weighty), has excellent reliability, a good amount of throw and spill, and has a very reliable high/low switch. screw the head all the way tight and you get max output. no programming. loosen it a bit, which is not something that would happen accidentally, and it has a nice 5 lumen output. this is as close to my ideal light as I've found as I have an industry-leading, reliable light with good output and the ability to use it more usefully with the low output for most situations a light is needed. if i am somewhere with only that light and the power goes out, a natural disaster, getting lost, anything that would need more than 2-5 hours of annoying bright light, i'm good. i have a couple days of constant light at my disposal.

[@eg7381]

Malkoff is fantastic.

[@bjornegan6421]

@@eg7381 Glad to see that. The light is great, and the family and rest of the company seems to be excellent as well.

[@andrewm6393]

Anyone know if the high nd protector on cloud allows you to stand the light on the tail cap?

[@easton_grant]

Would be really nice if you guys made a Owb holster for the P365Xl with the Tlr 6 I can’t find one anywhere in the market

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks for the feedback! We do have a form on the website that helps us gather data on what people are looking for, and that helps inform our decisions on designs. werkz.com/new-holster-notification

[@samfletcher93]

Dammit. Was keen to get a CD. Now I'm not so sure...

[@Tony-sy7ed]

Thrunite tn12 pro. Also would like to see testing done in single cell sized compact form modlite okw 18350 vs cloud hc 18350

[@WerkzHolsters]

Agree! I'm going to do more "quick lab tests" on lights so that I can get through more of the lights your guys want to see tested!

[@Markyymark662]

Good video. I like the mod lite quality the best, but I’m carrying the mch only because it pairs with the thrym better as far as using the momentary while using a pistol, also don’t like how hot my mch gets when using it, it’s very hot here in Mississippi right now tho. And also I like that the mod lite takes regular 18650 protected batteries. I don’t really like how the mch only takes flat top 18650s. That’s why the mch is a hair shorter than the mod lite

[@WerkzHolsters]

Mark, I appreciate your insightful comments. Yes, the MCH gets HOT. Look for upcoming torture testing for us to measure. And agree on the Thyrm usage of the MCH, though I find I can use the Modlite fairly well with the Thyrm too. Excellent feedback!

[@Markyymark662]

@@WerkzHolsters im definitely looking forward to the torture video, I love your videos and so glad people like you put good content out there on stuff that we use and are always curious about how they hold up under extreme abuse!

[@tonyd9799]

I just bought two Fenix PD32 V2.0’s for my daughters, 1,200 lumens and 39,000 candela. May be getting a couple more. Not going to give $300 lights to middle schoolers and getting good throw with only a 1” bezel makes them actually pocketable. Would like to see how they’d compare in your test.

[@WerkzHolsters]

I'm working hard to test as many lights as possible. Maybe I'll do more "raw in the lab" testing which doesn't take as much time as these in depth comparisons.

[@vp2747]

Bravo! Finally someone who mentions the PD32 V2.0. I has been my favorite flashlight for more than a year now, is it perfect? No, but, I'm really happy with it. It is the best bang for your buck/candela tactical flashlight on the market right now.

[@tonyd9799]

@@vp2747 yeah it’s pretty amazing that such a normal sized, pocketable light is in the same performance ballpark. The Surefire and Streamlight with their huge bezels and only 20k candela simply don’t make sense for an EDC tactical light. Worn in a light holster a duty belt, the extra mass gives longer runtimes so if they matched the higher candela lights they’d make sense for a uniformed officer or guard. But unlike those two, the Fenix actually is competitive with the cloud & modlite for the purpose we presumably are focusing on.

[@cincinladohio]

please do Malkoff Devices. Great made in the USA product

[@SAlley01]

Pro tac 2l-x. I carried one for 9 years before the head went out. Streamlight replaced it without question. I still carry the new one every day. Plus, it's under $70.

[@weaponeer8582]

Modlite PLHV2 all day long. I carry it and a Surefire Stiletto Pro everyday.

[@subaruforester5062]

Hope you test the new mch they dropped today. Dual fuel and programable

[@WerkzHolsters]

We will!

[@subaruforester5062]

@@WerkzHolsters I've been told by them the light dims differently and run time Is cut in half

[@focusonthefocus]

What I'm seeing is CD and Mod seem to assist in the intention of defense, regardless of specs... Something to consider when looking at numbers verse real world execution.

[@mr.anderson910]

Cloud has some explaining to do regarding candela output

[@Highgear145]

Still got my 2D Maglite from 20+ years ago....now its just a head basher 😁

[@WooSungShim]

Please try to test Malkoff lights. I think their output ratings are accurate and I think adding a Malkoff light to your durability testing videos will help us a lot. I think they’re very underrated and very reliable!

[@WerkzHolsters]

No video review, and no article yet, but I have a couple Malkoff heads and they've performed quite well. We'll get them in in the future!

[@WooSungShim]

@@WerkzHolsters thanks keep up the great work

[@thesickening0169]

@@WerkzHolsters I have a E1HT head that I'd be willing to send to you for testing if you're interested.

[@jameshalfhill9919]

I run the streamlight ProTac 2l-X great light, durable and reliable and doesn’t break the bank. So, I’m not crying if I lost it.

[@joshuautley8415]

I’m torn between a modlite, or cloud defensive handheld light for work. Any recommendations? I’m a first responder, and I qualify for both companies discounts.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Do you want the light to have various brightness settings? That would be one reason for the new Cloud light, as they've added programmable settings.

[@Osprey1994]

I would be interested to see some Malkoff heads tested.

[@WerkzHolsters]

I have 3 heads sitting on my desk...

[@APhan26]

As a active LEO, I carry Modlite for duty, Cloud for edc. The my old Streamlight will stay in my duty bag as a backup since you will be surprised how many time you get to the scene and one of your partner be like "i left my flash light home".

[@shoreamaze177]

Review the Fenix GL19r

[@WerkzHolsters]

Working on it...

[@callofduty60]

Modlite is doing it the best in this space right now. They are expensive but worth every cent. Also their cs and warranty can’t be beaten

[@ryanhall5784]

I have a huge flashlight fetish. So I really enjoy your vids. 🙂

[@WerkzHolsters]

I'm glad they fuel your desire. And kinda weirded out at the same time.

[@ryanhall5784]

@@WerkzHolsters haha!! My wife gets a little jealous once in awhile but its not that weird. 🙂

[@tomquirin4231]

hey bro, got anything to trade/swap perhaps ? , i e.d.c. a klarus g15/4000 lumens light as my main light , thanks > tom !

[@michaeljnewton]

I would’ve liked to see the Malkoff M61HOT thrown in the mix as another affordable option. Awesome job with the reviews

[@WerkzHolsters]

i have some Malkoff heads I'll be taking a closer look at soon. Thanks for the feedback!

[@ahmadcampbell2626]

Well can't seem to get around $200+ for a good light. The output @ 6+hr runtime is what decided it for me.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Help me understand Ahmad... you have a use case for 6 hour runtime? I like to hear how people are using lights so I can craft appropriate tests. Thanks!

[@FinFunnel68]

for a second there based on the intro music i thought o was watching crime channel “That Chapter”

[@buckconnolly1820]

Which light should I buy? I have about $350 saved up and want the best EDC light I can buy? This will be my first high end flashlight.

[@Gieszkanne]

Nextorch TA30! Much cheaper but still high quality and the best UI.

[@highspeed9518]

Love my olight mini warrior 2 1750 lumens and magnetic base and charging, $300+ for handheld light is absolutely absurd and I'm not passed if I lose it. The days of replacing batteries and getting a quality light for less than $250 are here modlight and surefire are just for bragging and look at me lights

[@WerkzHolsters]

We have a more thorough lab look at the Olight Warrior 3S coming soon!

[@highspeed9518]

I definitely will! thank you keep it up guys you are literally the only people doing these kinds of tests on this caliber, you are giving us EXACTLY what we want to know.I think i can speak for everyone watching you videos we are looking forward to many more tests and we highly appreciate it👏👏👏

[@WerkzHolsters]

@@highspeed9518 Thanks for the positive and encouraging feedback!

[@lumengod]

Cool white has more blue, which is more damaging to the eye. I don’t think it appears brighter but maybe stings a bit more 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@maxboost4042]

👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@tristenweems5734]

Rifles lights next please

[@WerkzHolsters]

In the mix! We have all the hot new lights in the shop.

[@Moetown1986]

Cloud for me. My rifles and pocket wear them. My pistols probably will too once they release.

[@WerkzHolsters]

I'm anxious to get my hands on their pistol lights for sure! Look for part 2 (our torture test) soon... it's in editing. I was shocked at the results.

[@christopherrobin8134]

This would be a hard test, and the test design might have to be done “from scratch,” but I would be interested to see what is “enough” candela/lumens. Much how many of us don’t care that .45 has more muzzle energy than 9mm, because 9mm is more than adequate for self defense. I’d be interested to see how you could test a light for minimum acceptable performance for self defense.

[@davidgonzalesii276]

I just want you to know I fall asleep to your videos. I mean that in the best way possible. 😂

[@FlowBaka]

I wish modlite or cloud would make a gas pedal switch, I don’t need all the light for small task.

[@MrSteveb1]

Cloud has a duel power output head , I have the HC-D and love it . Full power all the time is overkill

[@FlowBaka]

@@MrSteveb1 is it light press for low and hard press for high?

[@jlc3867]

I run the Surefire Fury. WHY ? Because they are a american made company as well as the other 2, I know streamlight is made in China. SF has super customer service plus I have for the past 35 years ran notihng but them. They were the first high quality light out there for LE. I just feel that they suit my needs and have NEVER had any problems with the dozens that I have.

[@vp2747]

I have some "intel" for you, Surefire is going to release their new Turbo series weapon lights at the end of this month, and the handheld lights 1-3 months after that.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Hey thanks for that! I'm sure the Turbo will be popular... will be interesting to get one in house!

[@brandonsimons543]

I keep saying this but show more weltool. I'd love to them compared using your equipment.

[@WerkzHolsters]

How about for a rifle light comparison?

[@brandonsimons543]

@@WerkzHolsters absolutely! I have a weltool lh1 and LH8 if you need test subjects 😆

[@LarrysLibrary]

The sucktacularly LOW CRI on all these tactical lights have me staying away. The Chinese Side-Switch lights have PLENTY of High CRI (95-98) models available. My favorite are the Emisar D4v2 with a SST20 4000k High CRI LED. It's NOT a rear switch tactical light but it is high output, takes the excellent 18650 and fits in your pocket all for about 50 bucks.

[@WerkzHolsters]

That's why I'm taking measurements... so you can make good decisions. I would also like to see some better CRI tactical lights, but in the lumen / candela race, it seems no one has been paying attention to CRI... glad to hear you are!

[@sneak916]

CRI is the last thing we think about when it comes to tactical lights. It just doesn't matter that much

[@LarrysLibrary]

@@sneak916 You don't THINK it matters that much...until it DOES

[@racer89gt]

Why didn’t you send the Cloud back when they requested it?

[@WerkzHolsters]

It was already shipped to UL. Since then I've provided more data to CD, plus the UL test results. The lights have been returned from UL. But I've not heard anything else from CD. If they want it, might be polite of them to acknowledge the sets of results I've provided, and then ask for the light.

[@joshmajor8662]

I'm just gonna say it..... The thought of losing a $200 dollar pocket light is absolutely frustrating Haha I freak out when I misplace my $80 dollar light, i couldn't imagine the panic attack that would ensue after misplacing a couple hundred-dollar toy Lol 😢

[@DinnerForkTongue]

You may need a second, more budget non-defensive light to toss around then 😉 Look for Convoy or Wurkkos/Sofirn and see what you like

[@Honezjr]

Worth mentioning that flashlights often provoke/aggravate criminals to attack. So if you shine a light in someone's face, be prepared for the response.

[@pmedic523]

Kinda surprised that the mch’s candela was so off of their rating…

[@WerkzHolsters]

It's always possible I was doing something wrong, and I'm happy to improve the testing if someone can show me where I was wrong.

[@Jake-mg8rk]

A fenix pd36 tac is way better than those at $100.

[@markanthony6638]

So what did cloud ever have to say about this

[@brized]

30:32 so the Cloud Defensive MCH EDC head has 784 lumens vs. the HC's 773 lumens? That is not even close to what's advertised.

[@WerkzHolsters]

We have shared all our data including the UL report with Sean @ Cloud Defensive, weeks before this video was released. Either our samples are bad, CD's methodology or calibration is different, or both our testing and UL's testing is incorrect. I think it's probably methodology. Our testing and UL's testing follow ANSI PLATO FL-1.

[@brized]

@@WerkzHolsters It was a smart move, checking with UL. I trust you and them over Cloud Defensive. Thank you so much for the high quality testing!

[@racer89gt]

Cloud asked him to send the light back so they could see if anything was wrong with it, but he refused.

[@WerkzHolsters]

​@@racer89gt Not quite. I didn't refuse. Light is back from UL. I sent Sean the results from UL. I've not heard from Cloud since we reran the tests, and I provided the results from UL. I'm happy to send it back if asked.

[@WerkzHolsters]

@@brized I don't want to publish anything that isn't fair. Thanks for your feedback!

[@gerridhodges4084]

I have no doubt that modlite is an outstanding light but their customer service leaves much to be desired.. When you purchase a light your buying into the company/system and in my opinion modlite is failing in that department just something to think about.

[@mattlwyatt]

No need to spend all that time and money testing your equipment if the other lights came very close to matching there specs. Cloud is still very very good stuff, there specs are just off. I personally like my PLHv2!!

[@WerkzHolsters]

I want to be thorough and independent, and that's why I won't hesitate to use an outside lab when I think it's called for.

[@markanthony6638]

Cloud defense let me down with those false numbers

[@SteelCityIceBirds]

And their constant out of stock and vaporware products (pistol light).

[@joshuakern1274]

Tacticool bois always want to pretend that they will be able to spin their light around like nunchuks when shit hits the fan, when adrenaline is pumping, when you're scrambling for cover. The thyrm is a fun fidget spinner but don't expect to get a consistent engagement when conditions are less than ideal. Put a light on your gun.