Best for Drift? (Hobbywing XR10 Pro G2S vs XR10 Stock Spec)

[@readeracingRC]

Excellent. I'm not a drifter but it's always good to see other aspects of RC Rigs. Thanks again. Have fun

[@RoadsideRC]

Thanks for the nice comment!

[@alexcherewyk4412]

Something to keep in mind that you did not mention is that the xd10 is capable of much higher PWM drive frequency. This helps smoth out power delivery emencly. Great for running on smoth concrete.

[@RoadsideRC]

Interesting! You made me go back and look at the specs. The XR10 Pro G2S can modify the PWM from 1k-32k. The XD10 extends it to 48k Not sure that difference is really noticeable for most folks, but it is a slight difference.

[@Luke-en2tk]

​@@RoadsideRC in mod TC racing I can never really feel much difference with drive Freq, too high will start to get quite hot as well

[@NFEzantiszar]

Ive had all 3 😅 XD10 is keeper for me overall smoother, better cap bank (stock), turbo settings can go lower than the other 2 so you can get a very nice slow ramp up, havent seen any lack of power stock xd10 drift settings are very decent from get go and has a drift 10.5t and drift 13.5t profiles already ore programmed also the BEC on the XD10 is bigger 👀

[@RoadsideRC]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@Jorge-ze9to]

You should do a direct comparison on the xd10. Maybe ask a buddy that owns one if he’ll let you test it. Awesome vid as always Troy!

[@RoadsideRC]

Thanks for the idea!

[@FijianCarGuy]

Not sure if this was mentioned in any previous comments, but if you don’t need reverse rotation, and just want more power and a little more tuning options you can get the XR 10 pro legacy edition for 150 and 160 bucks

[@RoadsideRC]

Good point!

[@LegendsPizzaCo]

This is excellent. I use the XR10 stock spec in my 2wd buggy for racing. I wanted to upgrade my buggy esc and im glad to know the XR10 Pro stock spec can work.

[@theAessaya]

Outside of what you mentioned of XD10 pro vs XR10 pro, and the PWM frequencies that others have mentioned as well, XD10 also comes with more drift-specific profiles pre-loaded. But that's about it indeed. Oh, also, XD10 pro has a combo deal with their D10 motors for drift, so that may be enough to convince some folks to go with the XD10, as that results in better deal than the ESC and motor separately. But, if you already have a motor, or don't want the HW drift motor, then there really isn't muc difference between the two.

[@RoadsideRC]

Thanks for the insight!

[@spencertidd]

I went XR10 over the XD10 because it seems the XR10 does pretty much everything the XD can do (slightly lower highest PWM frequency is the only thing I can find in the XD10) but the XR with it's higher power rating seems more usable for other forms of RC if I want to use it in another vehicle at some point. Great video!

[@RoadsideRC]

You and I were thinking exactly the same!

[@idealautofactory]

The XD10 has the flashy look at my chassis flare to it where as the Xr10 pro is all about them specs

[@RoadsideRC]

That is right!

[@joserifaie]

For me the pro felt smoother and more powerful than svd2 sanwa esc its my favorite esc and even boost and turbo activation is gradual and tunable loved that about it

[@RoadsideRC]

Glad to hear it! Thanks for the feedback.

[@blesseddrifting7238]

I was gonna ask was it a rx10 pro or a dx10 pro???

[@lowtus7]

One thing to keep in mind with esc power... The motor 'demands' power from the esc, having a more powerful esc won't make the car faster, all else being equal. As long as the esc has enough current capability. I would be surprised if you would pull more than 30 amps with low grip. Have you ever measured current draw? Like your vids.

[@RoadsideRC]

Thanks! I have not measured p draw through an independent system.

[@Jacobp_RC]

I paid 300 cad for the xr10 pro and i can tell you its well worth it. Way better then the stock xr10 i have.

[@RoadsideRC]

Glad to hear it!

[@MX-CO]

What's better about it? I'm trying to decide what to get thanks

[@LegendsPizzaCo]

Hi again lol. Im about to pull the trigger on the G2S for my race buggie and moving my XR10 Pro Stock is going in the drift car. My question is in regards to the 2 different G2S models. I like the framelsss fan one (stealth) but my concern is that the stealth version can only take the frameless fan. I cant find any videos taking the G2S stealth apart. Does the fan frame coke off the esc chassis? From pics it looks like the frame for the fan is apart of the chassis now. The elite version just has a normal 30mm fan on top. I've asked around and can't get an answer on the G2S stealth. Between tbe 2 G2S models do you have a preference. As you can tell I have a hard time making decisions haha. Thank you for all your kindness and help

[@RoadsideRC]

Hi there! All of the escs I have had needed the fan bolted on. I would be surprised if the elite was actually different.

[@LegendsPizzaCo]

@RoadsideRC just running in stock classes nobody needs fans. I was just curious if this fan comes off for multiple applications. Thanks

[@mika_models]

Hello Troy! I’m going to ask also from you. I have annoyng issue with my HW XR10 pro drift ESC in my drift car. Now I lost brake and drag brake. It’s not braking at all and drag break isn’t work. All adjustments in my radio are fine. I have 40% drag brake in my ESC and I also tried to raise it, no results. Also my brake rate and everything should be okey. Is there some adjustments which will make braking and drag breaking impossible? Do you have any clue what’s happening with my ESC? End poists are adjusted couple of times now also.

[@RoadsideRC]

Hmm. That is odd. My guess - ESC is not seeing the signals correctly from the controller. Maybe the controller is bad...maybe the ESC. (1) Do you have a spare controller or ESC to test it? (2) You can do a full reset of either ESC or controller.

[@mika_models]

@@RoadsideRC Thanks. I don’t have spares. But next I try to reset my controller and ESC. Thanks!

[@ock105]

Good timing with this video...Im starting to outgrow the cheap amazon set up but it definitely got my foot in the door so to speak....My RDS thanks you for all of the great information 👍🏽👌🏽

[@RoadsideRC]

Happy to help!!!

[@thomasblair7996]

Not much experience on the hobbywing equipment, but seems it comes to driver preferences, beginning one may be better than other,always nice to have more than one choice

[@RoadsideRC]

You got that right!

[@johnjohncrisostomo6152]

Awesome Troy. Keep the knowledge coming.

[@RoadsideRC]

Thanks! Will do!

[@TheAusherGuy]

Ive been wanting to upgrade my 10bl120 to the xr10 pro. Will it be worth it?

[@RoadsideRC]

If you are wanting to get really serious about drifting, then yes. Although, for $100 less, the XR10 Stock Spec still gives you turbo and boost. Not sure it is really worth stepping up to the Pro unless you really think you need the power.

[@mihaiserbanescu8676]

I have a burning question. I have a skyrc combo, toro 160A competition and Ares 2.1 10.5t. I notice that on my FMX the motor gets super hot after about half an hour of hard drifting. If I were to switch to another setup, which one to choose? Hobbywing or acuvance? And why does everyone have 10.5t and not 8.5 or lower? I'm fairly new to this, so I need some captain to explain to me some stuff. Thank you!

[@RoadsideRC]

For your motor temp: try gearing down to reducing timing a few degrees. That should help out a lot. The Acuvance stuff seems a little overpriced for me. It is nice, but has been hard for me to justify the price tag. Drift competitions typically limit the motors to no lower than 10.5T - so that is why most folks run that spec.

[@BangForYourBuckRc]

Seems to me there is less throttle feathering with the higher amp esc. It’s much torquier and smoother power wise. I’m with you though Troy, I don’t think I’d spend the extra $100+ on it. Really good comparison though! Nice work!👊🏼💯😎

[@Jacobp_RC]

The pro is so much better

[@RoadsideRC]

Thanks! I think most folks are better off saving the $100...but there are those who would enjoy the Pro better. Good to have options!

[@Jacobp_RC]

@RoadsideRC get what ya pay for i guess. Esc is a good thing to go top of the line with.

[@deriklarsen]

@@Jacobp_RC Which pro?

[@idealautofactory]

Did you watch the video on reversing the motor rotation on esc that are not capable? Its a sensor wire de-pin/re-pin and a A and C swap.

[@RoadsideRC]

That sounds like me about to make a very expensive mistake...

[@idealautofactory]

@@RoadsideRC fair dnough

[@jimmorrison5574]

Would you recommend the stock spec xr10 over the onisiki? The onisiki seems like an older xerun 120a hobbywing with less settings

[@RoadsideRC]

I have not personally used the Onisiki. It appears you are correct - that it is a rebranded Hobbywing. When I look at AMain right now, the Hobbywing is also cheaper....so I would probably go that route unless you really wanted the fancy Onisiki case.

[@donnienicholson180]

Hi do you know which has the lowest internal resistance?

[@RoadsideRC]

I do not. IR on an ESC is not something I hear folks talk about frequently - more on the battery side.

[@artofboost]

Awesome video man I was looking at one of those for the rds did my first comp in it didn’t go so well 😂 need more practice but I’m in between this esc and the omg one

[@RoadsideRC]

Great - glad the video helped!

[@areadierc2803]

I run the stock spec 80 but i have driven the xd 10 and it is a lot smoother to drive .

[@RoadsideRC]

Thanks for the feedback! I wonder how much of that difference was in settings vs capability of the esc...

[@areadierc2803]

@@RoadsideRC its mainly down to the very high pwm frequency so i was told by the owner. Think the d10 motor also helped aswell

[@cecropiamatt8522]

I have the hobbywing xd10 and d10 combo with the bluetooth connector and when i enabled turbo and was realtime logging i noticed my motor will not push past 38k rpm where i see some people with turbo enabled they go all the way up to 96k rpm. what might be the problem?

[@RoadsideRC]

RPM is a factor of voltage (I assume you are running 2S) and timing. Either 1) the total timing is very low, 2) something is broken, or 3) turbo/boost is not actually triggering for some reason.

[@yzs4life]

Hey I’m having the same issue with my xr10 pro g2, im running a Bluetooth connector too, I’m curious if you’ve found any solutions thanks!

[@cecropiamatt8522]

@@yzs4life I didn’t have the sensor wire from esc to motor plugged in all the way

[@yzs4life]

@@cecropiamatt8522 Yupp that was my issue too, can’t wait to get to the track now lol

[@autofctrl]

Have you ever compared the Hobbywing Xerun Xr10 Pro? It should be right in the middle of these two..

[@RoadsideRC]

The "Pro" is just the older version. The "Pro G2" is the next generation of that ESC. That is my understanding anyway.

[@autofctrl]

@@RoadsideRC I see... but although being odler it doesn't seem to be a bad choice either. Hm... Let's see which one I end up with. There're just too many to choose from.

[@basherz_den]

Hey Troy.. love your videos.. I have a great one for you to do.. how bout servo chatter?!! That's one that is barely ever covered and I'm guessing you experienced it.. im experiencing it right now with my RS-ST servo.. great videos man!

[@RoadsideRC]

Hi there! Yes, the RS-ST certainly has some servo chatter in it. Honestly - as long as it doesn't impact how the car drives, I just ignore it.

[@basherz_den]

@RoadsideRC good info.. thank you.. .. and thank you again for the great entertainment.. appreciate you.

[@mikeprater7888]

I do have both esc's now as for the weight in competition u must make weight. Light is not alway good also where weight is placed.. also for some reson im a fan destroyer the stock spec has a 20mm fan witch is not common.. and im also a firm believer in not letting my electronics getting hot so a better fan option on the g2.. but i do agree with the budget option for the average drift car.. great vid buddy see u soon

[@RoadsideRC]

Thanks Mike! See you soon!

[@sscobrapride]

Those stock HW fans are hit or miss. Some last forever others die in a month. id recommend 3d printer fans. a 5 pack is about the same money, they drop right in, usually the wires are a little long, but the fans are much better quality.

[@mikeprater7888]

I rock the surpass rocket fans when needed

[@LegendsPizzaCo]

Couldn't you have adjusted the timing and boost on the stock spec? I guess running in reverse the stock spec didnt allow you to run boost and timing. If i can run my motor in the normal direction and then add that boost and timing would the stock spec have ran better?

[@RoadsideRC]

Yes! It 100% will work that way. The XR10 stock spec is a great esc - it only doesn't allow reverse rotation.

[@LegendsPizzaCo]

@RoadsideRC thank you so much for a reply I appreciate it. I didn't realize how many xr10 models they have lol, I have the XR10 Pro Srock Spec V4 version. I run this in my B6.4 with a 17.5 motor. As previously mentioned I'm building a reved drift car and couldn't justify spending more on the drift esc than my buggy esc that I race alot. So my plan was to put the XR10 Pro Stock Spec V4 in the drift car and then upgrade the race buggy esc but I don't see a better esc for the money out there. The XR10 Pro is tiny and weighs only 28 grams. It is only 80 amps but again I'm running blink mode 17.5 so im not pulling many amps either. Is there a better 2s esc out there for my buggy?

[@spinworkxroy]

Why not XD10 since its made for Drift? I'm running the xd10 and d1p combo and it's fantastic..granted the price isn't attractive

[@RoadsideRC]

I talk about exactly why in the video!

[@Miktro1]

It looks to me they both have motor rotation ccw or cw or cant you just switch the wires on the motor?

[@RoadsideRC]

With a sensored setup, you can not just swap two wires.

[@despacitoRC]

Good video! Earned a subscriber!

[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you!

[@PhilMillerJustice]

Troy, do you have a video where you show the tuning spec process on the xr10 stock for boost and turbo? I admit I didn't do an exhaustive search but I did do a quick search trying to find one and didn't. Any help or suggestion would be appreciated. As your time allows of course.

[@RoadsideRC]

Hi Phil! Pretty straightforward actually. Typical settings revolve around 30* on the motor, plus 15* turbo and 15* boost. Start there, then turn the up and down in 5* increments to see how the car feels. Just don't go much higher than that 60* total timing. Watch your heat.

[@PhilMillerJustice]

@@RoadsideRC Thanks, I see my silly mistake... I got the Justock, not the XR10 stock... Thanks, and sorry for my derp! D'Oh!

[@RoadsideRC]

@Phil Miller It is confusing!!! They have like 5 variants and the names only slightly help differentiate.

[@PhilMillerJustice]

@@RoadsideRC Yep, it is. At the same time, it is my fault for not digging deeper into the specifics. Oh well, I am fine with the Justock for now, just wanted to try my hand at boost and turbo. It will just have to wait. Thank you for the awesome videos, and helping me see my mistake.

[@barolecaskin8673]

Sorry but what exactly does the esc do?

[@RoadsideRC]

The esc controls the speed and power of the motor.

[@jeryjohn]

Also does the stock spec have rpm limiter?

[@RoadsideRC]

Good question - taking a look at both manuals, I don't see it as a feature in either. Honestly, I've never had a need for an rpm limiter. What would you use it for?

[@billyb5057]

interesting comparisons double the money wow good review for people to make the best decision *full view😎Au👍thumbs up💯*

[@RoadsideRC]

Thanks Billy!

[@robertkilpatrick8361]

Hay mate not into Drifting but still love all your vids but dont know how big or if it can be done know nothing about it but I had a train about 30 years ago that spat out smoke and back then that beeznezz i would think it would be better tech now and i know this vid is not about but can you look into it as i think it would look cool to see smoke coming from tyers it might be already done just saying keep vids coming mate love it......

[@RoadsideRC]

Hey Robert - thanks for the idea! I appreciate it!

[@jeryjohn]

The higher the amp rating the less efficient the esc will be so you are really o ly getting less runtime with a higher rated esc than a vetter matched one, you will only see like 30-40a max on a drifter even on carpet

[@RoadsideRC]

Interesting! Where do you get the 30-40A number from?

[@SpAcE-gAdGeT]

Is that the gear mesh I'm hearing going grgrggrrgrgrggr

[@RoadsideRC]

That is the body still rubbing a little. Need to find out where it is!

[@ocdriftil3269]

👌👌👌

[@Maxuto43]

I got the XD10 because it looks baaadass

[@RoadsideRC]

Ha! Yes it does!

[@SpAcE-gAdGeT]

Can really hear it at 850 and on

[@RoadsideRC]

Yeah, when it hits, you can really tell!

[@FPVDiverBomber]

Accuvance is only 25$ more

[@RoadsideRC]

Except you then have to buy their VERY expensive program card.

[@FPVDiverBomber]

@@RoadsideRC With 7pxr and 60$ sbus adapter I will do all adjustments from the radio,,, tbh is is insane $ but I’m still gonna do it

[@StartsWithALetter]

@@FPVDiverBomberprove it 🤣👍🏻