Best FWD Car Ever? 2008 Honda Civic Mugen Si - Hot Lap

[@erniebrown4235]

I'm a proud owner of a Volkswagen GTI and i still have my 06 civic si honda still has my respect bcuz it was my first car & it was extremely reliable

[@matthewjackson64]

Gti, is already your second car, as it will self destruct rapidly.

[@justin0185]

i always liked how this car looked

[@bennyspaghetti8578]

The music killed it

[@abolfazlg8667]

Unfortunately that's a usual thing for that area

[@ZLITES101]

Finally someone that knows about Hondas and the differences of power displacements of AWD, FR and FF.

[@RastaRider]

That kip kit is to DIE for.. Especially that rear diffuser. :drooling: Same goes for the Mugen Quick Shifter :thumb:

[@bone737373]

it also looks better than the new evo's and sti's, so who really cares that they are faster. and i got muegen too, i paid 29000 for it which is not tha bad of a deal considering, a maxed out 4 door si (without navi) cost around 27000 and i would definitely rather have mugen than a regular si.

[@Kurruptedmindz]

@c4r3on The "FWD" they used as it relates to this video is for "front wheel drive" as apposed to "four wheel drive" which is usually shortened by using AWD.

[@em1b20vtec89]

these cars are so rare, i cant find one no where!!!

[@Ace_Xiong]

Best FWD ever? Kinda. I personally think the Acura Integra Type R is the BEST FWD drive to hit the States.

[@jaypalo]

BboiSpiritRyu my thoughts exactly

[@thaik56]

BboiSpiritRyu "in America" would have been more accurate indeed, but still that's all we have.

[@michaelhuebner6843]

a 2001 vehicle vs a 2008 vehicle. at this point I'd rather buy the 2008 Civic Mugen Si.

[@cbremer83]

I would like to see a head to head with the Cobalt SS Turbo. Currently the SS has the fastest front drive time in the Nurburgering. And since they only boosted the HP by a few horsepower, you will still be well below the 260hp of the SS. The Civic might be a tad lighter though. Would be interesting to see.

[@acuradc5boy]

someone mind telling me how a muffler adds 4 hp when a whole exhaust system for this thing adds 4 hp. a muffler goes on the tip so how does it make hp when its their for sound ??

[@belizetj]

I have one, and it's by far the best handling car that i have ever owned or driven.

[@valentin21485]

This car looks good. I would definitely take it for a test drive if I get a chance.

[@emeraldages]

OMG SPHERICAL SHIFTING NOB? 200hp right there nice work as usual Honda.

[@umbc91]

I agree, the mugen is a little pricey, but really its just an si with better suspension. I got my regular SI for a little under 16, and with a couple thousand put under the hood, it could easily keep up with an EVO or and STI. Go look at the CUT KIT made by Swift Racing Technology. The SI's they mod are putting out 350-400 whp. And its still about 10,000 dollars cheeper than a off the lot STI

[@MrMadABOUTsound]

I like the look, the sound is amazing in all Honda's. If i could get enough cash together i would definately take one of these, because here in South Africa where i live, there is none. The colour is great though, all round i think it's a Honda enthusiasts choice. Good job Honda and Mugen

[@xitup1]

yup....my Si is currently at 67000 kms and I have driven the shit out of it for pretty much all of that.....have gone through 3 sets of brakes and like 3 sets of tires....absolutely no issues or complaints..the thing runs just as solid as day 1.

[@Leeka702]

driven a civic for a long time, the day i could, i switched to an 05 g35 coupe. have goals in life..personally i dont want to drive a honda civic for life. they're great cars, great for the economy but for the most part its a kids car. my next car is the evo x.

[@dcin1]

yes they do sell it here in the us

[@rukkee22]

The SS/NA and SS/SC have different suspensions , the SS/NA has a FE3 and the SS/SC the FE5 . The SS/TC had an updated FE5 with new shocks, struts, and springs...... along with an Updated front knuckle.

[@Alexsered]

I lost faith in motor trend when they send the GTI was the best buy in its price range.

[@belizetj]

2006+ Si redlines @ 8k rpm. Rev Limter @ 8300rpm.

[@ADD8oi]

@mucura1 actually the minuscule torque from the NSX's 290hp engine makes it a very poor car stock, but with an engine swap with more cylinders it becomes a beast, heck ive beaten a bunch of factory stock nsx's in my bullitt

[@Whyyyyyy]

Cobalt SS is a good competitor to the Civic Si overall. For performance for the money the Chevrolet Corvette Z06 is still one of the best buys in the world. Chevrolet LS series engine is one of the best. Plenty of Japanese cars have had them swapped in by tuners even. Aluminum block pushrod has it's advantages for making a huge engine lightweight and compact.

[@drfizzi]

@NissanTy 08 mugens can bought in the lower 20s now with really low miles. Z cars depreciate very fast as well. The mugen is a more exclusive car so resale is going to be higher. But theres nothing like RWD :)

[@wildfishingadventures]

Also Integra Type R, SRT-4, Focus RS, Megane R26!!! But I love my Celica TS and 2zz :D

[@falcon2160]

Excellent report.

[@zeroflat24]

im not talking about a modded integra. im talking about stock. any car can be made to go fast with mods. minis handle exceptionally well from the factory. the lack of power they have they make up for in handling. integras from the factory handle like a honda pilot.

[@BulletproofMonk]

The reason I asked is because you threw in 0-60 performance and Slalom. I would definitely toss out the 0-60 performance, but the Slalom I would be iffy about, because the turbo also helps to get the car up to the speed. I'd be wondering what the SS (non-super or turbocharged) would run in the Slalom.

[@preventer333]

gawd I want that suspension.... ah well.... stock Si suspension is at least bit more forgiving than Mugen's on daily drivers' concerns... Si stock was actually the most comfortable manual car with sporty touch i've driven so far.

[@jerjerjason]

i just like the look of the car

[@awhohol4]

Hey Bruno, If i was going to race i would use my red 85 C4 vette (all vettes are factory fiber glass, and always has been and the latest gen vettes switching to carbon) with a 5.7 V8 with a 4+3 manual because if you remember the germans lost as did mexico, but you will meet the right guy just keep driving the beetle, and remember safety happens.

[@mucura1]

i saw one of these the other day. The guy had it very clean. Like showroom clean, however i was riding in my show room clean ap2 s2000. Based on his inability to stop staring at my car to say i think he felt a little foolish that he paid 30,000 dollars for a mugen bodykit civic si with little to no performance upgrades vs base civic si, when he could have gotten a nice superior s2000 for so much less.

[@gambrazzio6989]

he wasnt taking the exhaust into account when he said that because its the only "performance" part mugen added. the suspension is the most important part.

[@NAKAKATAKOTAKO]

It's not all about power but overall performance.

[@supaman8686]

you seen the 2010..... beautiful peice of machinery

[@agentgfh]

That's true and its a good point But personally I think the 370 looks way better which would be one reason why I would consider getting it However I KNOW the Honda is almost bulletproof (we had one with like 430k miles only got rid of it when a truck backed into it in a parking lot)

[@SenorMoofer]

Correct this engine is not built by mugen, however the body kit was completely designed to be fully functional, the suspension was completely built for the car. It does not have rear drum brakes so iam not sure where you have gotten that misinformation and 30k seems high considering i picked mine up for 24.5k two months after released. Overall its not a bad deal for what you get. Would have been better with a RR motor in it though.

[@LostChildOfTime]

I think the saddest thing about this car is that... no one really mentioned that the value of this car is actually more than the FD2 Civic Type R. And that car is probably the best Type R on a Civic chassis - ever.

[@HighBoOsT100]

Was there only 5000 made or something just for North America? I reme seeing a add for this car when it came out...

[@ADD8oi]

@mucura1 oh yeah no, i was merely stating that if you were going for purely performance, but yeah, im personally a ford guy and i have a factory lease on a 2011 GT, let me tell you, that thing is a rocket, especially with the 6 spd, 4s to 60 with rollout...but i do respect quite a few japanese supercars, the R34 Skyline, 2jz-gte supra, etc, and the occasional civic, s2k or nsx if done right, this coming from a hardcore muscle guy haha

[@ramentasty8]

@randomdude5640 exactly what i'm thinking about. I could be getting a 350z or 370z. but do u know if i can install mugen parts to a civic si?

[@adamY2K]

Yeah but the thing is no matter how hard you drive it it'll still start up the same way and drive the same way forever. I have a 92 Eg Civic Sedan. Never ever ever failed on me.

[@rogerscorp]

I'm gonna get one of these real soon nice car

[@michaelhuebner6843]

Doubt it as only 1,000 were ever made and many have been riced out or crashed up.

[@CUM4SX]

Beautiful car! honda the power of dreams! Dc2R Best Care ever!

[@Whyyyyyy]

Oh and the Dodge Viper ACR does deserve a special place here as it pretty much blew away every other production car ever on the Nurburgring.

[@Niteguy705]

this and the type-r hatchback are the only fwds i would ever consider buying... other than that its subies for me all the way

[@mark6020cc]

That's TRUE MAN, if this was the MUGEN RR maybe i will get it.

[@HaHaEntertainmentR]

Love the body kit.

[@mikeylee2001]

I wish they did a time comparison with the regular si.

[@DiEGO2DaBAY]

Do all the Mugen Si's come in BLUE?? havent seen any other color Mugen Si.. Nice car..

[@intrepid_wandering]

You can do all the mods they did for under their retail price. What did he say, muffler, suspension and body kit. muffler or even a full exhaust under a grand, suspension no more than 3 grand, and body kit same.

[@robertico7]

i'm gonna get the SI coupe 2007 real soon

[@slurp812]

@brenticus83 yea, but how many of those 2008's are left now?

[@Aggdrivclub]

its only available in uk later on it will be available here

[@Nebraskahusker23]

@fifafan1 I'm aware of that. But I was replying to a post that was comparing them stock to stock.

[@chrisj164]

and besides the track, how's this car on the road?

[@mtooshort20]

exactly! The cobalt SS turbo coupe is the greatest fwd car ever, it handles like u wouldnt believe, its the one of the most powerful, the quickest, and its one of the cheapest to top it all off. Who in there right mind would go from a $22k Civic Si to a $30k Civic Si w/ when all ur paying $8k for is a body kit and and catback?? and plus...$30k and Civic should not be in the same sentence lol...they didnt even touch the engine!! lol. 08 Cobalt SS turbo or Mazdaspeed 6 for under $30k hands down!!!

[@0SpyderScope]

Im 16 and im bout to get a car nd i was thinking of a honda civic Si coupe nd i was wondering if 1. Is it fast. 2. Is tourque steer a problem? If so how bad is it. thank you,

[@ADD8oi]

i nearly got one, but im thinking about importing the RR instead, costs more but i hope its worth it

[@LostChildOfTime]

The only thing rare about it is the fact that.... it's a $30k Civic SI which has warranted suspension upgrades and... a shiny muffler. If Honda manages to sell one, then they have probably stimulated their pockets more than the owner can stimulate their senses. The best FWD car ever will always be the DC2R.

[@viktord1]

yupp, i stand corrected. :D But what's to stop people doing exactly that. If I were in the market for a civic such as this I'd probably end up getting an Si and spicing it up a bit, and so will most people as well :D

[@bone737373]

i got one and it will void the warranty on a lot of parts. drive train is another thing but there are so many other parts that are related to springs and shocks that it will void the warranty on a lot of parts on a car. and getting the warranty on aftermarket parts only covers those parts, not the ones related to it.

[@mark6020cc]

and where did you get that? i didnt know that. can you tell me where did you read it. coz i dont believe rumors man

[@xitup1]

yah AJP's shop civic is up close to 500 whp....i would like to see them do all that with the SRT-4...in my opinion, the k20 series is bullet proof, they can be tuned to give insane numbers, while still lasting.

[@deka1987PL]

I have diven once Civic V gen. Vti (160 PS) and in my opinion this car is good in straight road but in corners it's very weak so what's the pleasure in going straight ? Sorry for my english, byt i think that everybody understood me ;)

[@hangguy209]

very true, for it price, there are some cars out there that can outperform it and still cost less. but there aren't much cars out there that can outperform the Mugen Civic Si for what it is as in a N/A I4, the only N/A I4 car i can think of that can give the same performance or better than the Mugen Civic Si is the Lotus Elise, the 08+ Sentra SER Spec V and the 9th Gen Corolla XRS are close somehow, but not better.

[@nicolasdesola3332]

A CAR YOU CAN TRUST!

[@kidblinkbizkit]

so if that mugen exhaust gives it "4 to 5hp" then how come its got as much hp as the civic si with out all that mugen parts?

[@lbm323]

That motor that honda has sounds awsome. that is the best sounding 4 cylinder. at high revs it sounds like a 430 v8 or a gallardo v10

[@fifafan1]

@Nebraskahusker23 the si is N/A engine while ss and srt4 are not

[@viktord1]

Yea I agree with you. You can get the Si and upgrade it yourself with pretty much the same parts for $3000.

[@donna2cool]

i like my 92 accord with jdm h22a swap that would be my best fwd car

[@originaldelta]

Fahsa1,Honda builds s2000's and Nsx's also,I would love to know what you drive.

[@rukkee22]

The only problem with that is the SS/NA (Naturally Aspirated ) Comes with a different suspension then the SS/SC or ss/TC . Actually all three are different .

[@mark6020cc]

Ok. what AMERICAN CAR with INLINE 4 engine that makes 200+ HP NA. ANSWER PLS.

[@madzraymund]

@mucura1 the NSX doesn't really weighs less than a ton, it's a bit over a ton actually, but it's still is a lot lighter.. mustang needs big engine to gain power but still has a very poor hp/L output.. it's like a race heavy weight boxer vs a track runner..

[@kageryu311]

one correction about the cobalt SS it was the fastest FWD car around the nurburuguring.

[@bigp8715]

is there a torque button for this car?

[@viktord1]

Well you are not really messing with the drivetrain so it probably won't void you warranty if you were to change springs and shocks. besides you'd be getting warranty with the aftermarket parts anyway...

[@BulletproofMonk]

You're certain about that? I was under the impression the engine's compression is too high to put FI on the car (supercharger or turbo).

[@ADD8oi]

@azn069 that is true, and me personally, i respect any car with the proper numbers to back it up, and i absolutely hate people who knock cars just cause of name, respect it or ignore it is my belief

[@ricky041878]

@WootKenny where can you buy an evo for 27k? maybe a ralliart, not an evo, brand new evo's go for 34k+ i think

[@TheHm3]

Okay shouldn't you be braking late and on the brakes mid corner? The guy in the vid is driving it kinda like a regular rwd car hence the understeer.

[@rkjpsn]

@WestheLegend agreed. this isnt "completely transformed". he even said it only had 4-5 more hp.

[@rkjpsn]

@Sandeep9201 its worth taking one of the new si out for a spin. it makes a lot more sense when you drive it than it does on paper. its hands down the most fun car i have ever driven. not the fastest mind you, but the most fun.

[@CarOnTheWall]

that engine does sound nice.

[@Drewwberry]

they made a t/c rsx type s? might want to check up on that. NSRT-4 was IMO best FWD car considering the price, (20k brand new) and underrated HP/TQ numbers. it would destroy an Si in a straight line, and probably on a course too. shame they stopped making them :(

[@ADD8oi]

which is true around the bends but the stang will catch up in time to make it either a tie or a close win...but the mugen rr would kill on the turns

[@madzraymund]

I wouldn't say that this is the best fwd, since it's like a modified vehicle already, and I believe that every car when modified and tuned properly will always do great.. But for fwd NA vehicles, I like honda with its small high revving engine and good power output per displacement.. I think honda specializes on fwd compact cars..

[@viktord1]

agreed. you cut on acceleration times but loose power and gain weight. if you have super sticky tires you don't need awd. The fastest drag cars are RWD.

[@Sandeep9201]

@bbgun4081 AGREED!! i gotta by a new car soon and im thinking STI. but idk yet. current car is 02 civic si hatch. any suggestions any one. looking for sporty car but 35 g budget. also thinking nismo 350 but i dont want a 2 seater.

[@BulletproofMonk]

well I figured the ss/SC and ss/TC were different since they revised the car someone, but I was pretty sure I recalled reading that the ss/NA and the ss/SC are the same aside from the engine.

[@Sqeener]

my friend has this thing, it's nice.

[@musicISlyf1]

they sell that in the states??????????

[@MaksimSF]

@intelsilver Body kit, muffler and some drop with 18" wheels can't make Honda collector's item...its still a Honda!

[@chrisj164]

so would you say this car is good for someone buying a car for the first time?

[@HimmelWeint]

Should I also get a 1990 BMW 750i for 8k too with the spare change? That is a new car and will not have any major problems for at least 10 years. While you are comparing it to a 22 year old car which isn't 30K. For a well maintained, completely stock and serviced NSX from dealership it costs well over 50K. And will most likely give out on you in around 2-3 more years.

[@loveskating3]

"A family car with a bit of sporting potential" is not correct here. If you look up the FD2 (civic type r), it laps Suzuka faster than an NSX. The NSX has more potential, but for the same amount of money, the civic can be made faster.

[@viktord1]

What would you do for $10,000 if you had a regular Si Civic? Put a turbo and nitrous?