Best Golden Demon EVER?! | S3E26

[@adammosedale5334]

Really enjoyed this episode. It's so helpful having photos on screen to reference what you're talking about. You should do that as much as possible in my opinion, it's more effort but makes the viewing experience much better.

[@TylerProvick]

Here's a thing about Albert Moreto Font: He's painting core shadows, something I've been trying. Core shadows is a shading concept from art where the darkest shadow that isn't an occlusion shadow is actually the part of the surface parallel with the light direction. This is where most people put their midtone. Then, as the surface curves away from this it gets lighter from the reflected light of the surroundings. This reflected light is not lighter than where the surface is lit facing the sun. Also, following Lambert's Curve the half-tones coming off of the core shadow quickly transition into almost the brightest highlight before slowly progressing. It's what makes his work stand out. I didn't realize anyone else was doing it, I got the idea from watching drawing tutorials on youtube.

[@JamieHutber]

Ye, having asked Albert whilst at Golden Demon this is actually exactly, almost sounds like a quote!! :O Most impressive man!

[@TylerProvick]

@@JamieHutber Dang, if only I painted as well as I commented on painting! Actually, I'm conceited as heck so I *think* I paint that well. Now I just need to convince other people to pay attention to me. Probably requires actually making youtube videos though, eh. lol.

[@adamtomlinson918]

Trapped Under Plastic: The podcast where Scott caves to social pressure and covers his legs.

[@rabidwhale]

They said it was snowing there. So I doubt this is the last time we see his ghostly, pearly flesh.

[@Zaphodox]

Do they have a PO Box we can send fake tan too? Orange-legs would make Scott look… oranger?

[@wolfsbanehobbies2686]

Did he upgrade to skinny jeans?

[@MentatOfDune]

It'd be cool to have something like a White Dwarf special that was 100% just the photos from all the top competition entries that made the cut. Seems like easy content to produce.

[@MrTurtleHut]

Trapped Under Plastic, of all the podcasts in the world, this is definitely one of them.

[@MaeseTrancos]

Trapped Under Plastic: The podcast with a TUP acronym, because everything in this hobby needs to fit in Tupperwares

[@RuffStuff420]

So true!

[@sebastianwei7721]

Triple UPvote

[@ROMANLAPPATMINIATUREART]

Notepad in my hands! Thanks, buddies! ;) - Roman

[@kylecruickshank6864]

Appreciate the comments concerning Mr Lee's Minis. Was part personal and part situational in why we closed in the end. But those were nice words you gave us, and especially the shout out of Oleksandr.. Cheers for that and the acknowledgement of what we did!

[@youtousim]

1:03:00 I feel like the black on the back is actually important to not clutter the model with visual information. It's like a small pause in Music or paragraph break in text. Negative spaces are important.

[@apaintersjourney]

Thanks for the kind words on my duel.

[@EarthenPanda]

Good job Scott! I have been pulling for you to finish something for years!

[@MisterTingles]

Only talking 33% outta my ass, but that black flat of the blade is actually sorta what forged metal looks like after it's quenched, the forging/shaping process leaves aggressive surface oxidation called forge scale and the grindstone cutting into the rough shape to create the actual blade edge is what reveals the shiny metal underneath. In mini painting terms it's also just a traditional shorthand to create a stark contrast, emphasizing the sharpness of the blade. To your point though, if a god-tier painter were to try and emulate that wrought iron look instead of flat black, they could easily show off some bonkers texture for those sections. Dunno if it would actually read well in that scale, but then again I also don't know how anyone can paint anything like any of these artists, soooo.... cue Vincey V saying "Here's why you're wrong."

[@MisterTingles]

In case anyone is looking for sprue nippers like Scott mentions, there's a guy here on YT called Barbatos Rex who does extensive hobby gear and paint reviews, and he has a vid just about comparing side cutters, from Tamiya to Godhands to cheap clippers, paying attention to those same criteria, slimness of the blade, actual cutting vs just crushing the plastic etc. Only caveat is that he mostly works on Gunpla, which is harder plastic than what we're used to with wargaming minis, but ostensibly the qualities he's assessing ought to work even better for us with our weak soft plastic crack...

[@paintfrenchy4735]

Did my best nmm painting work tonight by listening to the soothing voices and deep conversations of TUP. ❤️

[@PeterParker-sm7ff]

I’m eating. Sitting. And driving…. Stop that. 😂😂

[@em3sis]

For the 1st Nurgle Ork model, it was inspired by GW artwork. That might have been the deciding factor on which category it was eligible for.

[@nigelpearson9890]

Loved the little Disturbed reference when John said he had a sickness. It made me laugh. I wonder how many others got that little Nugget of a joke.

[@whyidontwant2723]

To be honest if I lived in your area, I think I really would be willing to come over and help you chop wood. There's not a lot of people I get along with and I think I would get along with you well enough that coming over to your place to Chop Wood would actually be fun.

[@Dylanquinn666]

I might be a little biased because I love gobbos but Albert Moreto Font's Night Goblin Shaman is my favourite from this year. Absolutely gorgeous work.

[@C3ns0rious]

My man Jon unlocking a memory of the ebaums world sound boards. Good times.

[@sudonickx]

I got sick just listening to jon. hope you're feeling better man.

[@graphicscvids]

with the talk of perspective I feel like if Scott looked into the architecture of DisneyLand/World would blow his mind

[@ralphschneider9652]

Man, I just listened to the slapchop-edition of Paint Bravely prior to your blog. I really felt okay with my own painting after that. Now I am depressed and want to chew up my brushes with my teeth. Should have listened to both the other way around. 😵

[@pianospawn1]

Please soundboard 1:28:30 "That Elron be poppin' bro" is hilarious.

[@DingoPaints]

1:03 time Scott, That black is it a reflection or shadow from his large hat. My thoughts

[@TheMiniMadCat]

The first UK GD since I got my finalist pin in 2019. When I got to hearing about it (because I'm not a fanboy and occasionally live under a rock), the tickets were already sold out. Then I remember seeing videos of big painters, previous winners who had missed the boat too. But with over 3 years of time since the last UK GD and the growth of the hobby, inevitably the quality of the paintworks are insane.

[@type6]

Those Albert Font entries look like they were made out of that modeling polymer clay stuff. It has that soft light absorbent look to it and that the pieces are all one color.

[@Cicapha]

For anyone interested in "baby tufts" - MiniNatur moss pads are an excellent choice!

[@TylerProvick]

I would love to see a rulebook with both styles. Introduce a rule with a conversational description, then have your point-form breakdown for actual adjudication. For example: Shooting rules These rules are for when one model shoots another model. After declaring the shooter and target check to see if the target is in range and what level of cover the target has. A bit of cover is a -1, heavy cover is -2, and wide open is a straight roll. - Active player announces shooting and target. - Inactive player declares response - Range is measured (see Range) - Cover is determined - Targets are either in the open, with no terrain between the attacker and target - In Light Cover, where half of the target is obstructed by cover - In Heavy Cover, where more than half of the target is obstructed by cover. etc, etc.

[@bobageoff]

Snow already? I'm in Iowa, and it's cold as balls this morning. But no snow... yet

[@Snicks65]

I’m excited to see you play Kill team I’m just getting into Warhammer and I have watched an unhealthy amount of your videos in a short period of time

[@beahootiful]

SCOTT! Show us the harlequins! They're my favorite, looks-wise.

[@Nissenov]

It might have changed. But! I disagree with the idea, that you cannot enter with models in full TMM, several models have won with TMM. I know it is old, but one that still stands out, is Jacob Rune Nielsens slayersword winning entry, the nurgle knights. I would argue they could still win.

[@flowgod524]

mr freeze is Batman and Robin. Batman Forever had two face and the riddler. both are equally movies.

[@S1RVicTOR]

Been going deep into Kill Team for a bit. It is so worth the time investment. I had so much fun playing it.

[@tommys_hobbies]

I doubt I'll ever be at the level where I have a chance in hell of winning a trophy at Golden Demon, but I'd love to be awarded a finalist pin or a commended entry. That would be a dream come true for me.

[@aroncheek5092]

I used to work for a company that used to deal in antique wood panelling 😂

[@tBauncer]

Yes bring it on!

[@Naosuke84]

'91 Halloween blizzard sends its regards

[@augie_az_dawg]

Trapped Under Plastic: The podcast that comes to you from the Siberia of US, Minnesota.

[@trappedunderplastic]

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[@augie_az_dawg]

@@trappedunderplastic You guys WERE complaining about snow in October, right? And I can't imagine February is pleasurable either. Cold? Siberia? Whoosh? What do I know, I live in Arizona.

[@sushimandaddi]

I absolutely want to see Jon enter that grave lord diorama for golden demon, but wouldn't be allowed because of 3d printing bits and stuff?

[@arnococlet6895]

the best show about minies and warhammer!

[@RumorsofWAAAGH]

David Soper still maintains a Blog, good for him, talk about old school.

[@matchstick-man]

The Kill Team rules are hard to read but easy to understand. There's a true line of sight step (Visibility) and then an abstracted rules step (Cover and Obscured). And yes there's a really dumb dead spot between cover and obscuring you have to pay attention to where you're too far for cover but too close for obscured. That's usually people's biggest hang up.

[@jamessmith-hf5tl]

Ugh don’t forget that they didn’t correspond the shapes to inches 🙄. Instead, we get square equals 3, pentagon equals 6…triangle equals 1

[@heresyforheretics]

For the love of God, can you put up the the Vincie V "here's why you're wrong" audio file? I need a new ringtone

[@billdefranza4927]

THIS

[@bittertentacles]

4 AM TUP post? Time to stay up for another three hours!

[@markgnepper5636]

Great stuff friends 👏 👍

[@dead_lantern_gamer]

Dang it, the MGS alert sound is my text/email sound on my phone, everytime you play that I'm going to have to check my notifications 😂

[@24fretsoffury]

NMM is without a doubt, incredible when done correctly. Personally, I think the metallic metals just look better. You can look at the models from any point and it will look correctly like metal. NMM has a habit of ruining the effect when looking at it from odd angles. But yes, any painter who can pull off NMM are way more talented than I will ever be, but it’s something I’ve never wanted to learn. Citadel metallic paints (leadbelcher, and retributor armor in particular) look amazing when applied, they’ve really nailed most of the metallic paints.

[@kiesminis]

I'll try to clarify the event days for you. There were 4 days, Thursday and Friday the event was open to hand-in entries and the venue was open to the regular public. Saturday and Sunday were purely ticketed events. They had hobby passes on those days which were for a building challenge. I can only speak for my time at the event; this was my first Golden Demon to enter so I can only talk about that. The level was crazy good in all categories.

[@kiesminis]

Mike Mcvey didn't place but he did take a finalist pin.

[@NonSleeper_Occasional_Thinker]

not all got tickets that wanted the (ie Midwinter Minis did not get one) so many painters that wanted to enter did not get in.

[@jens176]

Best episode ever!

[@noops9220]

You guys should get 4 warmaster models and compete with everyone at the next VinceyCon!!!

[@theezekarion164]

"NAILED THE! Vincey Vee"

[@thegiantratthatmakesallthe5055]

57:18 (silver) is a Demon of the Ruinstorm brute from forge world (Horus Heresy)

[@solidsentinel1285]

I think kill team is infinitely better if it’s house ruled to hell, no stupid little cards or scouting steps. Just a cool themed objective/s

[@philipstroud6327]

I don't know if we have a big adeptacon style event here in the uk, but i really think we need one

[@maxsmith6323]

All of these painters are better than i will ever be so take my 2 cents with a grain salt, but I think the highlights/lighting is off on the offset vampire knight. I think the composition would have worked better had the light source had been just as aggresive as the model's angle of attack. Nonetheless, great looking model.

[@robertthurman9866]

I'm the same way, I get a bad cold and I start channeling Barry White!

[@Gvaz]

Also, I saw the new ossiarch bonereaper models and got excited but it sounds like they're not super usable? I am starting an OBR army myself

[@Forthemachinegod]

Trapped under plastic: stay tuned to next episode where Scott is sick from jon coughing in general direction 😆

[@wylie4440]

Minimum Members To Constitute A Unit, A Geometric Proof - by Jon Ninas

[@Daggerleep]

Did anyone else get Denholm Reynhom vibes from Jon repeatedly saying "team"?

[@stoneglobe4879]

All I know is that I'm never going to even make the first cut at GD or any other major competition regardless of the hours I put in. I'd love to enter one, and do plan on entering a competition next year, and just making the first cut would be amazing. I think part of the problem is that I can't get so excited about a single piece that I can spend that many hours on it. I guess I've just never found the piece and maybe one day I will do.

[@adamtomlinson918]

Batman and Robin had Mr. Frieze.

[@mohastgridlock]

Only here to look at models, so thanks for the pictures

[@DaronSchmit]

Whaddup! Are you guys planning on going to the Renegade open? There's a ASOIAF tournament 👀

[@Dr_Disintegrator]

I'd be curious how you guys feel about One Page Rules Age of Fantasy (or Grimdark Future) after you play a few games with your painted armies. Ash Barker has a few nice games on his GMG channel. Since you have played Age of Sigmar, I'd be curious how you think OPR AoF is in comparison. You can use the free OPR online army builder tool to quickly put together some army lists for your existing forces.

[@noops9220]

29:00 looks like you missed a base on your finished squad 😂

[@paintfrenchy4735]

Guess I know what I'm listening tonight. 😆

[@Cloo41]

Jon out here exposing capitalistic predatory hiring and promotional tactics.

[@dead_lantern_gamer]

Curious if this is just pandemic painting and if it will drop off, or if it will continue since a lot of jobs are wfh now where you can paint during meetings or something. I feel sick and out of breath just listening to Jon, get well soon.

[@xyceres]

I think you accidently posted your podcast notes in the icons of the realm spot.

[@briarsandbantams]

Jon's ork boss needs to he painted like his brother.

[@MacKayVer40k]

Papa nurgle has blessed our lord and saviour. 🥰 the mighty tendy sauces shall cleanse you 🙏

[@adamgill4623]

Trapped Under Plastic: the only podcast which encourages you to appreciate what you what, be are the make appreciate what you dad. (That's not meant to make sense just FYI)

[@ziggman13]

Embrace the sickness John and join the nurgle side as the Deamon prince you are.

[@jedrzejwilinski8148]

Great episode, as always. Kill Team is awesome, but the rules are not written well and need a bit of explaining. It's good to watch the rules explanation videos made by some experienced Kill Team KZbinrs. They helped me a lot.

[@GarredHATES]

So basically Jon was taken to a basement and experimented on

[@danielkearney1815]

Scott really needs a pommel to stop him sliding down in the chair, also, hope you're feeling better Jon.

[@ono1381]

The Hormel Saga put that of Erik the Red to shame

[@bakauf4300]

We call those axes "Go-Devils" in my part of the world. Why? Shrugs... 🤔

[@sullivanmkii]

57:30 Old Vargulf Body?

[@R.J.MacReady1982]

Guess who doesn't have snow? Canada. Feel bad you snow people.

[@HuronBH]

The 2 models a year painter is not new. I took a Gencon Class from Chris Borer in 2007 and his technique was 300 to 500 hours painting and 1 to 2 models a year. He used 7 layers of near transparent glaze between each color he painted.

[@mastermike9855]

It's the size of a 90's Ork

[@TheSixYardBox]

That's crap that everyone who wanted to go got tickets coz I couldn't get a ticket and I know two other people who wanted tickets that couldn't get hold of one. There was also several people on a warhammer community post who said the same. It was handled really badly this year.

[@aroncheek5092]

Better paints and equipment now days probably helps with the amount of people who are winning over the pro's

[@RuffStuff420]

John is completely right, these painting competitions aren't a competition about who is better, they are a competition about who has more time. Personally, I'd love to take the top 10 painters of each category, sit them each down at their own paint stations, all paint stations stocked the exact same, and give them all the exact same miniature or miniatures based on category. Give them 12 hours to paint, with breaks, and then judge the miniature. I bet the ranking of every category would change drastically. And Scott, stop playing pocket pool on the stream! roflroflrofl Also, and maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I really hate Golden Demon. Like, don't get me wrong, I love looking at well painted miniatures, but all these miniatures that win look the same. Super clean, super bright highlights, just "eavy metal style" and nothing but until you get to the "open" category. Like, it's not even a secret anymore than if your model isn't painted in the "eavy metal style" you are automatically dismissed from having any chance of winning anything but the open category. This isn't a painting competition, its a GW circle jerk. I guarantee you there were more impressive paint jobs than the winners in every category that were just not Eavy metal style. I have been to two GD's and everytime there were paintjobs that were so much better and more skillful than the winners and I never understood why they got left out until I started listening to you guys and vince talk about how GD is judged. It's wrong. A painting competition should be based on the paint jobs skill, not the paint jobs style. As to the slayer sword winner, if you look at the foot in the water I think I see a rather undeserving skink under his foot.

[@ShowerOnceYearly]

Fight to the death: who wins? Scott or Jon?

[@fischziege]

Vince

[@reytheist]

Unit is three or more minis.

[@ADTRPG]

What's up with the Battletech hate? There's obviously a huge market out there for Battletech and Robotech. The Kickstarters made millions, and CGL sells out of stuff constantly.

[@trappedunderplastic]

It's largely a joke at this stage, but neither Jon or Scott are a huge fan of the models.

[@dennisfoulds3941]

Go a a big foot😊

[@natos4unlife]

I think y'all need to ease off the mics just a touch. Too many Scott mouth noises and Jon sniffles in my ears lol.

[@liamroche1295]

Hope you get better soon! great ep. Also its weird you call us good pen*s's

[@odeegrotsniffer4166]

Line of sight is not complicated in Kill Team. It's very simple.

[@trappedunderplastic]

lol

[@dennisfoulds3941]

Losing is to disappointing. You can only lose so many times.😕

[@djhollowman9567]

Great stuff as always guys. Love the channel and really appreciate your time. I do still hope that your individual channels will diverge from so much attention given to GW and their products. I get it, those words get clicks and views. I just can't bring myself to click or view content that directly glorify's that company or it's products. I feel like we all know what they do to the hobby community, but because they're the big guys, we fan-boy it up for them and kneel to the algorithm. It brings them attention, and there's no punishment for their business practices. I really do love all of your content and your individual channels have a ton of diverse character, knowledge, and entertainment. But as for that company, we all deserve better than "yes we have amazing models, so you'll shut up and take it when we treat you and your FLGS like sheep". We all deserve better than that, so I can't support it. I'm looking forward to viewing more individual content from your channels that isn't purely clickable based on a GW product thumbnail, or GW title. Again, I understand the "why". But we can all do our part to make the community better.

[@SgtMaj22]

Excuse me sir, are you allergic to peanut butter?