Best Helicopters

[@pill_popin_pigeon4759]

If you get an open map, 1 tiger UHT can kill literally the whole enemy team

[@lukasstreit4789]

only if the Rockets fly that range / fast or the RU AA / US AA isnt kill u on ir landing / starting platform.

[@snowyfox_01]

provided you don't get KO'd by a Pantsir right after takeoff

[@taaviplaysstuff]

somehow i guess you never played UHT.

[@snowyfox_01]

@@taaviplaysstuff yeah the missiles aren't guaranteed KO's and often lose track

[@taaviplaysstuff]

@@snowyfox_01 well i have UHT unlocked and it has by far the worse KDR from any of the 15 helis i am flying. has like half of KDR compared to anything else...just because the missles are flat-out-broken. maybe you know the effort it takes to grind this thing especially without premium MI24...the dissapointment you get when you see you are more succesful with french aluette III than with tiger uht

[@yassinmansy8493]

As if people needed more info to know the best Helis,as if they aren't already abused enough

[@Gears-2]

just unlock AA

[@nicoderfeuerloscher1684]

@@Gears-2 JuSt DodGe!!11!!!!

[@urielOrnstein]

Orbital bombardment is stronger (MIG-27K, Harrier GR7 etc).

[@TheFrontierr]

THEY ARENT

[@Gears-2]

@@nicoderfeuerloscher1684 why dodge just pop flares and chaff

[@CH3TN1K313]

Mi-28NM... same exact weapons as the Ka-52, and yet much more maneuverability. After flying the Ka-50 since helo introduction and progressing to the Ka-52, the Mi-28NM feels like a F1 car while the Ka-50 series feels like piloting a school bus. Z-19 and Z-10 for the Chinese are also amazing. A sleeper is the Rooikat which gets ATGMs that match the range of the Vikhr, while also being able to auto lock onto targets.

[@Doradadestroya-n9b]

What the

[@Clownie69]

Ну ты и кринж запостил

[@bajs932]

Mi28nm is less manevourable

[@LeadFollower551]

Mi-28NM has less maneuverability less pylons and also is the heaviest Heli (more than 11 tons)

[@LeadFollower551]

@@Pionel_pessi. the extra zoom doesn't matter much beacuse its a difference of 1x or 2x but missiles? The khrizantema missiles are good but you will never use them if u have the Vikhir unlocked + u can't bring 8xIglas and 12xVikhirs on the NM and radar wise its just the MTI mode that u barely use since your radar priority is A-A, and you can't even say it has a better IRCM because both have the same performance ingame hence why the Ka-52 is just way much better

[@MAV_509]

The Z-10 is not only the rotor aircraft with the most air to air missiles, it’s the air to air missiles in the game

[@jonleg12312]

indeed, one of the helicopters in the game

[@raksomething6942]

true, it is the most helicopter

[@bigoof1105]

TY-90 is in my opinion the air to air missile in War Thunder

[@M1A2_AbramsSEPv3]

@@bigoof1105 wow, you are so brave for saying that 😮

[@yizhenji5564]

The Z-10’s AA capabilities are just too much for an aircraft

[@nttntjno1797]

Ah yes, Nothing make your day quite like getting Helicopter ATGM from 10 km away.

[@anarchopupgirl]

You can only use attack helicopters in one specific mode, with egregious repair costs. That aside, my favourite heli is one that's not downtiered to my match

[@jasperhunter8386]

bruh, ground rb and PvE

[@_wayward_494]

Bro what. You can use helis in ground rb and pve

[@Cythil]

PvE is not for everyone. Like you mention, Willow, it is expensive. And can feel a bit slow. So I would recommend trying RB. You could also try Ground Arcade at high tier, since sometimes they have helicopter spawns rather than planes. But is a gamble, and you do not really pick what helicopter to use. Maybe they will bring them in to the navy one day. Though I think they would be a to easy target in there just like if you bring them in to air.

[@_wayward_494]

@@Cythil my point was that OP is completely wrong. Helicopters aren't restricted to one game mode

[@Cythil]

@@_wayward_494 I was not really responding to you. Just elaborating what was said before. So we are in a agreement. ;) Just trying to help fellow players out here.

[@crobbo6607]

my favorite heli is the one falling out of the sky and burning :D

[@chocolat-kun8689]

AH-1G moment

[@amoose1709]

So the Huey?

[@Peri1ca]

No, fix your helicopter economy. Rank 6 helicopters require same amount of RP and SL as Rank 7 helicopters.

[@seasuper3402]

Forgot the British AH MK.1 Starstreaks capable of destroying light ground targets and other aircraft

[@urielOrnstein]

Might want to re-read the video title.

[@seasuper3402]

@@urielOrnstein and?

[@gregc9344]

@@urielOrnstein It's the only heli that can joust with VT1's and win as it's missile is twice as fast as the next fastest atgm how does that not make it one of the best?

[@Jason-qw2mg]

@@gregc9344 What you on about, VT1 is 1250 ms and Apache starstreaks are 1178 ms. Unless I fire a second before the VT1, I die to them every time. Starstreaks also don't guarantee a kill, sometimes ive had to use 2 or 3 to finish an IT0.

[@gregc9344]

@@Jason-qw2mg negative, the vt1 is only at 1250m/s for the first 2 seconds of flight by the time it hits you it's only going 560m/s. Also could you explain how only needing to be a second faster is worse than needing to be at least 6 seconds faster with the next fastest missile (vikhr)?

[@KokotoHero-N3]

Mi-28NM, Mi-28N, Ka-52, Ka-50, Z-10, Tiger UHT. There saved you 5 minutes of your life.

[@BruceLeeroy94]

Snail Gods, please give early helicopter AGMs like AS.11s, AGM-22s, and AGM-12s, MCLOS guidance 🙏 It would balance them out well to the point the helicopters could be first spawned, and any tank could fight back effectively.

[@hamoojamoo3145]

you are always way too close to enemies to make use of atgms

[@ellinecockburn2601]

I'm honestly surprised the Rooivalk wasn't mentioned, it's one of the best helis in the game because of it's long range missiles with high penetration the Rooivalk is also one of my favourite Helicopters along with the Ka 50 and Ka 52.

[@bpop2148]

I am probably going to buy it when it goes on sale again. Then I can also get the GLynx for my 10.0 Lineup aswell as getting the AH.Mk1 with starstreak missiles!

[@Emil215p]

Agreed

[@NineSeptims]

​@@bpop2148is ahmk1 bette than rooivalk?

[@bpop2148]

@@NineSeptims Rooivalk has longer range ATGMs, 6 hardpoints, decent 12G AAM and the AH.MK1 has normal hellfires, 4 hardpoints for atgm/rocket and place for 4 firestreak missiles and a radar. In my opinion the Ah.mk1 is better overall since it has decent atgm, very good missiles + radar but the Rooivalk is also very good.

[@icy3-1]

Huh, no Rooivalk. Odd, considering the Mokopas are basically Hellfires on crack

[@rainbowseeker5930]

"The best attack helicopters..." ...and you don't even mention the APACHE.. !!!

[@wadefinnigan9207]

The list for best helicopters goes KA52 MI28NM Tiger UHT Z10 KA50

[@BavarianViking711]

I would desput puting the Tieger in 3.

[@danysainz-gootenberg7809]

The best starting heli in my opinion is the Z-11wa. Fully spaded it has 4 atgms, thermals, and crazy maneuverability at 8.7. The only downside really is the stock grind and 3.0km missile range.

[@braverbird60]

Italian helicopter has biggest machine gun. Also that recent repair factory Chinese tank event vehicle, the QN506’s fire and forget missiles make it a true helicopter slayer.

[@Vengeance4308]

Why doesn’t Apache get fire and forget missiles it gets it in real life

[@teapeakay]

Q: What are the best Light Tanks for Great Britain?

[@ivansmirnov6597]

for armored cars, I recommend; the concept 3, rooikat's (they are very fast) for tracked use the crusader 3, warrior, and the VFM5 can be good too. I wish that gaijin would make more of the cruisers with scouting (including giving it to the Cromwell's) as well as some of the other domestic produced armored cars, such as the Saladin. And just over all more scouts for the british tree. If you want or are communicating with allies, use the cromwell or the comet and use squad marking to alert your teammates.

[@themadbaronsans2536]

my favorite heli is the AH-64DJP, all the parts that make the AH-64 deadly, with a higher challenge to stay alive without the fancy toys to protect you

[@cardiv5zuikaku944]

Same

[@livewyr7227]

Oh, this is cute: Best Helo is Ka-52/Mi-28MN DIRCM implemented incorrectly to make it immune to IR missile. Only helicopter added with HIRSS option. Only helicopter with Prox fuse missiles and 10k range to smite other helicopters without defense No competitive opponents allowed. Literally had to remove Heli PvP because of these literally broken abominations. Let's just toss in Pantsir to remove the aerial threat entirely. "Balans"

[@finnrissa4594]

more like implemented correctly lol funny enough, only these helis are immune to IR missiles, when the IRCM as a mod should work for all the helis that get it but it doesn’t Implemented IRCM is a bigger saving grace than i thought

[@deadsnake_war]

​@@finnrissa4594 doesn't seems like if I look at those videos being posted of them getting wacked by stinger and iglas

[@livewyr7227]

@finnrissa4594 No...DIRCM doesn't make the helo impossible to lock onto by missiles with ECCM like it does in Warthunder. It just uses directed energy (laser) to overwhelm/blind the seeker in flight until the missile deflects enough to lose lock. It gets overwhelmed if more than 1-2 IR missiles are fired at it. (That's how they've been losing all those KA-52s in A certain location during a certain event.) What they have in game is just a bullshit lazy implementation that makes them falsely immune to IR missiles with no counterplay. IRCM should really only work against older IR missiles that aren't ECCM.

[@finnrissa4594]

@@livewyr7227 ah i see. Didn’t really understand the science behind it in game. I’ve been fired in by MANPADS but they just awkwardly go to the side.

[@finnrissa4594]

@@deadsnake_war Video gaming

[@Twistshock]

I'd have expected you to wait until the little bird was released to make this kinda vid.

[@BinaryKiller_Recoded]

My favorite and most underrated in the game, AH-1Z, it's a powerful heli with a powerful payload, it only hurts to see it gets only 2 AAM's at it's BR... However, one helicopter I would love to see in the game is the RAH-66 Comanche, that helicopter alone is deadlier than the Z-10.... Now, that is me being biased

[@lordjake2350]

That would be really cool

[@vinstual9830]

All vehicles in the tech tree avalable for testing when???

[@whtxdxu7331]

sadly no

[@sakthipriyadharshan242]

Meanwhile KA-50, arguably the best at rank VI. Gaijin: Looks away..

[@caeretanmapper3535]

Why did you delete T-129 ATAK? It was a good premium.

[@malteborjesson1209]

The HKP9A(fc) is at 9.7 with 4 ATGMs. No Guns or missiles

[@georgefloydkingvon]

who miss the old guy on the videos i still love his voice :C

[@Hymid3782]

The old man voice actor?

[@stevenortiz9008]

@@Hymid3782 yeah,the one liberals cried for having his own opinions

[@rav3727]

Ngl, I do

[@mangofanta2667]

Doubt he'll be coming back after voicing russian properganda against Ukraine

[@georgefloydkingvon]

@@mangofanta2667 gaijin entertainment is from hungary wich does not have close ties with russia

[@tianhaoju4634]

My top 5 helicopters in respect to their BRs: 1. Apache AH Mk.1 2. A129CBT 3. G-LYNX/Lynx AH Mk.1 4. AH-1Z 5. Z-19/Z-19E

[@captainfactoid3867]

Mi-35M is insane

[@xxSgt_Aryes]

(Cries in Apache cockpit pixels)

[@weihao8575]

Yeah, so many year in game, still dont have proper cockpit

[@devilscenturion979]

Cries inside the apaches in general without its fire and forget and the hellfires not killing after the third atgm

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

why is it that the Kamov helis can tank absurd amount of damage and still fly, manoeuver and use their weaponry perfectly fine when other helis are swatted out of the sky by way less

[@KaanTechCrazy]

When are you going to add them to Air Sim ??

[@srenlarsen598]

What is the plan for eliminating spawncamping at helicopter bases in ground RB? Half of the games I play, there is an enemy helicopter sitting behind the base when i spawn that immediately kills me.

[@lolofblitz6468]

AA-s? Antiair4thewin

[@theol.1988]

Look at it this way: That is one heli less molesting your and their team.

[@NokischimiVT]

@@lolofblitz6468 AAs is not working when helis / drones and jets can outrange them :)

[@livewyr7227]

I dare you to add the AH-64E with AGM-114 L and L 7/8 (Prox fuse longbow hellfires for taking down aircraft)

[@across646]

gaijin said that longbow hellfires wont be added for pretty long time bcs you would be able to kill enemies through smoke (like we do with vihrs) and the best thing we can count on is romero variant

[@finnrissa4594]

Don’t the Hellfires loft?

[@livewyr7227]

@finnrissa4594 They do, but the 7/8s for straight paths for AA work.

[@livewyr7227]

@@across646 I thought Romeos were just for UAV use

[@deadsnake_war]

​@@across646 who cares, when you can do the same with vhikr, they are handling Russia for their own benefit.

[@bastektrans]

Acha mchy… Tak tak tak, dziękuję za popsucie mi zabawy, w walkach szturmowych. Nie wiedziałem, że czołgi jadące tam - są tak skuteczne w zwalczaniu helikopterów jak Artyleria przeciwlotnicza. Karabin maszynowy na tym czołgu zwalcza latający czołg z 2 km. Tak jasne. Trzy pociski wystarczą I zamieniam się w pochodnie.

[@spillysock-spock9929]

Can you use a dual joystick setup for helis? And can I play a transport roll

[@TomPrickVixen]

All Mi-24s are very potent at their BR. (even the A) + 9.7 is a meta rank, so u rarely get a uptier, and u get R-60Ms with the late models. The Mi-4 can end up in a WW2 game now! The Rooivalk and the Ka-50 are probably the 2 best premium helis, even in PvE. The Israeli AH-1Q is the best CAS of all on 9.0 with 8 TOW + more; and can solo carry a Heli PvE. The 2 LINX goes well with the premium Challenger. Don't waste time on the 2 Z-9Ws; the BR change killed both (only 4 missiles on 9.7; and 2 hardpoints on 10.0 without auto-track). The super-Cobra/Viper (AH-1Z) is better that the Apache !

[@captainfactoid3867]

With the zoom nerf the Mi-24s are pretty annoying

[@TomPrickVixen]

@@captainfactoid3867 Almost ALL helis but the china, and AH-64s got optics nerf!

[@captainfactoid3867]

@@TomPrickVixen true, but having only 10x zoom with 5km range missiles and no thermals hurts the Mi-24s more than other helis IMO

[@TomPrickVixen]

@@captainfactoid3867 Imagine u have hellfires with 10X and no countermeasures + on a higher BR ... Yes there are helis like that in the game!

[@captainfactoid3867]

@@TomPrickVixen A129CBT? Forgot it's optics got nerfed that bad as well. Least it has thermals. Or is there another heli you are thinking of?

[@evo3s75]

could you increase the RP rewards in Heli PvE? I am getting only 15k rp for 1h of playing and I need to go through 2 heli's of 390k rp.

[@makinggj6797]

I’M STILL WAITING FOR DA UPDATE 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Gibmireinbier5555]

Where are these mixed battles? Does this mean ground is finally for ground?

[@RuneOverW]

Helicopters are a pain to research, I really dont feel like grinding my way up there alongside my tanks AND planes

[@VERTIGO1327]

Man sounded sick in this one, get well soon❤️‍🩹

[@frosty_shiba4311]

The narrator hit his growth spurt

[@wolfman1734]

I have a dedicated jet fighter to deal with choppers on my lineup

[@supercheese5131]

Add playable aircraft carriers that you can send out AI planes to attack. Just a thought

[@valkyone]

So you are saying these are the unbalanced vehicles since they are better than their peer at same matchmaking...

[@Primis_09]

The most favourite attack helicopter is AH64D Apachi it's really dangerous at long range and have radar and many good things

[@MODeffects]

No mention of the Apache?

[@Himbeere_02]

M247 laughing when they see a heli.

[@HIFLY01]

Wait till the 10km rocket hits you

[@Johny404_]

My favorite heli? "Aircraft destroyed"

[@FPClarks]

The best helicoptor is the one that notices my missile .2 seconds before my ADATS slaps it outta the air

[@tarikemirtanyildizi]

T-129 ATAK with 8 L-umtas and 8 CİRİT missiles supremely good for got enemy at 10.0 br if you have enough skills :D

[@talha6852]

Bizim helikopterin içindden geçmişlerdi. Yanlışlıkla o kadar kötü yapılamaz bence kasten o kadar kötü yaptılar.

[@tarikemirtanyildizi]

@@talha6852 yine de l umtas ile yakın mesafede ciddi iş çıkarıyor manevra kabiliyeti ile üstüne roketleri de ekleyince çok iyi uzak mesafede de ciritle giriyorum önce aa ları ciritle avladıktan sonra l umtas için yakın mesafeye geçiyorum genel olarak 3-4 kill ile çıkıyorum

[@talha6852]

@@tarikemirtanyildizi aga ama kabul etmelisin ki helikopteri resmen çöp etmişler. Tüm uyarı sistemleri sökülmüş, ürettiğimiz füzelerin hızları düşürülmüş(füze gidene kadar oyun bitiyor) neredeyse saptırıcıları bile sökeceklermiş yani. Sen iş yapabiliyorsun ama helikopteri gerçekten çöp etmişler.

[@tarikemirtanyildizi]

@@talha6852 katılıyorum ona. At unut umtas oyun dosyalarında geçiyor muhtemelen ilerideki güncellemede güncellicekler

[@talha6852]

@@tarikemirtanyildizi güncelleyecekler fakat eğer ben TAİ olsa idim bu gaijinin bana telif parası ödemeden bunu yapmasını geçtim hadi, ilk seviye helikopterden daha leş(kendisi savaş puanında) bir ürün çıkardıkları için dava ederdim. (bunun daha önce yaşanmış örnekneleri var fakat daha çok araba şirketleri yapıyor bunu)

[@DominusRexDK]

mangusta and bo-105 are great helicopters

[@-CYANIDE-686]

Please make payouts better for non premium users to make it easy on us ftp people

[@totolescargo]

2:23 "In addition to those rockets, you can take a few Mistrals right at the beginning of a match and destroy enemy aircraft before they even get a chance to get to the frontline" ... and other lies you can tell yourself about MANPADs in War Thunder.

[@fastgoodkiwi9570]

this would be true if mistrals were realisticly modeled in game, we did the reports yet gaijin gives us the silent treatment

[@colonel_cookies_]

my favorite one is definitely the Mi-28NM

[@finnrissa4594]

MTI radar goes crazy

[@multybuilder]

release a video with the soundtracks used in your videos

[@cade8986]

Z-9 WA. What other option is there? For A2G, it’s Mi-28 A

[@いんぬ-b1t]

When is the update date?😢

[@Ftc.6]

Dialing down the voice over. Good

[@blackmark7165]

Fix heli pve gaijin, the AA are broken 3km insta death from gepard, shilka and M163

[@ShinbeKiyawara]

My favourite is still my french Alouette III

[@AirwolfGames]

How did the MD-500TOW not beat the aluette? It’s got better flight characteristics and better guided munitions despite the lack of guns

[@across646]

legend says only 5 ppl on server ever used one bcs of horrible grind in boring tech tree

[@MechaG2]

Awesome. Love these birds. ❤ Gaijin, could you please add the option to set helicopter manual roll control mode to on or off by default? That'd be really handy.

[@mrcurious8497]

I don't really have a favourite helicopter, but I primarily like the Apache, Ka-52 and Mi-28

[@ethancotton1549]

Anyone else see the blades spinning g backwards when he introduced the alouette?

[@fabricioarias]

This is due to the frequency (hz) that they rotate being lower that you eyes can see...

[@fabricioarias]

*in case, the gaijin's graphic engine simulating this effect.

[@ethancotton1549]

@@fabricioarias glad to hear it's not me and true, I forgot about that effect, tho it feels weird since it's slow motion and the props on planes never do that, at least from what I've seen

[@geatyeatyeat]

what is the slowest helicopter in the game?

[@ck8748]

How am I suppose to hit a target whith a rocket boat, when warthunder makes the target dissapear when the rocket is on its way... ????

[@red_moon_7760]

My favorite heli in mixed battle is a dead one

[@HunterZTheLunatic]

Q: Will their be a swedish navy in future.

[@ambasing638]

This.

[@tak3zo0]

Tiger uht is great too

[@yosef_tetro]

I prefer AH-64I or Ka-50\52

[@pendraig5446]

When will you give fire n forgot UMTAS for T129? Its unbearable to use the L-UMTAS when SAMs are coming towards you; which is why I use the T129 with rockets only.

[@tarikemirtanyildizi]

+1

[@Brodysbad2467]

You guys need to add the f111, it'd fit in perfectly with the current us tech tree, and would offer a great rank 6 bomber, since you guys have neglected the us bomber tree for a long while now.

[@Marder_IFV]

A stealth bomber?

[@sealioso]

I think they just neglect bombers

[@Brodysbad2467]

@@Marder_IFV the f111 is a variable winged aircraft designed primarily for electronic and ground strike warfare with some fighting capabilities, it is NOT a stealth bomber

[@Marder_IFV]

@@Brodysbad2467 oh wrong plane lmao

[@Marder_IFV]

@@Brodysbad2467 I was thinking about the f-117

[@LeadFollower551]

just going to ignore the Tiger UHT just like that?

[@arcadeians]

G-lynx? Where was it at it’s be it’s one of the best to play and it can destroy nearly everything

[@De.La.Selvah]

jerry rig doing heli war thunder vids ? XD

[@JeremiahPTTN]

How dare you show off helicopters without fixing helicopter PvE to give us a way to actually spade and enjoy these things!

[@nubility4283]

not up to date unfortunately mangusta is rank 7 not 6 and many other changes

[@Sargeantunknownww2]

War thunder is the best game ever!!! 👌💯👍💥

[@goldfish587]

I like fortnight

[@santhoshsridhar5887]

​@@goldfish587 At least you won't suffer from depression

[@livewyr7227]

It could be. If someone else developed it.

[@legendbee9579]

Gaijin please give T-129 atak some love that helicopter is miserable at 10.0 with 180 m/s missiles

[@gerhelilord4950]

Its the Ka-52 plain and simple

[@errornamenotfound2513]

Alouette instead of AH-1G?, A129CBT and AH-1F instead of KA-50 and Rooivalk? Are they just picking random helis as the "best helicopters"?

[@edgy_dabs9167]

KA-29 or the rooivalk are my favourite helis

[@GamingWolfZockt]

Anstad mal die videos auch in deutsch zu mache? weil die übersetzung ist meist rip

[@legy64lentylka6]

Now a video about how bad are swedish helicopters

[@BasTSLA]

hello War thunder team i have Question France have the Worst helicopter Do we expect to see the Tiger Had block 2 or HAC in the future ?

[@crazygone5107]

Excuse you? There is only one bird in War Thunder and that's the best helicopter in the game the AH6M Little Bird.

[@jaydenlobbezoo1971]

I love the UK's AH mk.1 no not that one the other one... wait that's right there all ah mk.1... so I guess the westland one... ok the Apache. The best anti helicopter. 20 missiles and has beam guided APHEFSDS and because the starstreak AAM that can be fired without lock you can smack AA and soft targets right out the gates of the match and there mach 4 so even if they realize by the time they range not even main gun APFSDS could stop you before impact

[@bigteemo3117]

the best heli in this game is when heli that can carry Vikhr

[@chocolat-kun8689]

Z-10 for real is a pay to win than the Ka-52 for me. That thing can do anything when it spawns at full arsenal. Even aircrafts are having a hard time dealing with it.

[@yizhenji5564]

16 TY-90 AAMs are not joke. The funny thing is that the best Chinese AA is not even a ground vehicle, it’s a helicopter 😂

[@badrepputation]

Neither are premium though.

[@whtxdxu7331]

​@@yizhenji5564the best is it can spawn those missiles right at the start of the match

[@Wildcard_1-2]

My favourite game: can you add an AUSSIE COPTER?

[@FuriousFire898]

Gaijin: No stonks no go

[@Wildcard_1-2]

@@FuriousFire898 Aussie copter now

[@gugdi2]

why i knew a ka-52 would be in the list...

[@italo_9687]

Mangusta have the premium on the First with no flares and no air to air …pls add

[@cocyungdey1307]

The ka-50 is totally not broken. It's a fairly balanced helicopter

[@faiden8213]

My favorite Heli is the dead one.

[@biggycheese_ben]

ADD ATGMS TO THE AH1G!!!!

[@hanismike2361]

Extend LAV range stinger missiles

[@mariostsakiris7976]

Breh where is the g lynx with the great air to air missiles and great thermals at 10.0