BEST MOD? New wheel arrangements for the S282 in Derail Valley!

Huge props to Satiric, creator of the S282 Rearranged mod... this is way too neat.
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[@satiric_]

Thanks again for the wonderful words Hyce! 14:41 isn't quite correct - in the simulation code, I'm changing the wheel size, but not the piston size or piston stroke. If I were to change the wheel size and the piston stroke, there would be no difference in tractive effort between the different wheel arrangements, and I kinda like how the tractive effort changes. 20:47 ah yes, the Flying Scotsman approach to stopping the train :)

[@Hyce777]

I suppose that's true! If you're just scaling the wheels, you're just scaling the ratio. You've got some quantum squishy-piston madness going on there, but seriously, so cool. Thanks again for making the mod!

[@satiric_]

@@Hyce777 no worries! It's been fun to work on. Ideally I would change the animation to make the stroke look right, but I'm bad at animations so it would take me a long time to get right. Plus there are other neat things I'm working on for this mod...

[@Hyce777]

@@satiric_ please give me an excuse to make another video :D

[@satiric_]

@@Hyce777 that's the plan haha

[@alexszpilman6589]

the tender says eat shit & me?

[@kittty2005]

If you have 82 inch drivers , they would turn 246 revolutions per mile, so per minute that would be 60 mph so 61.5 rpm would be 15 mph. So 615 rpm = 150 mph. Once you have the revolutions per mile of ANY wheel you can determine the speed at any rpm because the revolutions per mile = the revolutions per minute @ 60 miles per hour or 1 mile per minute.

[@niftyjig]

I did that the last time i rode amtrack. I counted the thumps of a flat spot to see how fast the freight was going before the tobago showed up. It was 34mph 😁

[@vincentstuer]

Hyce: leaves the handbrake on on the tender Also hyce: why does it struggle to haul

[@frozendude707]

Hyce seems to forget handbrakes somewhere in every video, yet cannot remember to think about that when he has problems getting moving :P

[@joshiderniemalslacht8398]

Happens to me all the time.

[@JTCF]

Not just the handbrake. "Is the independent still on?.."

[@KarolOfGutovo]

Iirc once you get all the licenses you can edit difficulties and just add camera mode to whatever cursed setup you want.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Exactly, and it is sufficient to just get a savegame that has all the licenses and dump it into your savegame folder to get there.

[@FrederickG1992]

Going down hill and watching the water disappear I was screaming “turn the blower off turn it offffffffffff your wasting water man”

[@MrTea_Man]

When editing the settings of a save, change the weather editor setting to on. Then once in game press alt and look to thy top right 👍

[@srajfnly2]

Hey @Hyce777 have you seen or heard of the 1336 pannier tank mod for DV

[@ZedZed9PluralZA]

...what? No Single with 9'6" drivers?!

[@MrTea_Man]

at 11:22 I am hurting because your loco hand break is on 🤣

[@verona_theyeentah]

*facepalm* hyce is trying to push trough brakes again lmao

[@crystalrock18]

Not gonna lie this choo choo looks like something I would draw up if I was 8 years old again. The fact that this exists in a video game some how satisfying, whilst looking aids at the same time.

[@BandanRRChannel]

What is it with you and leaving brakes on? Pretty soon you'll be trying to run a train with the train brakes applied and somehow destroy them all...lol. Looks like a fun mod!

[@Idaho-Cowboy]

It's just how the pros do it. Wouldn't want Repair In Place crew or the car shop to get bored.

[@trainfan-ks5hk]

wonder if Hyce realized he had the handbrake on

[@sambrown6426]

Does choosing a wheel arrangement without leading wheels make it easier to derail?

[@satiric_]

Hey, I'm the moron who made this mod. Not in the current version unfortunately, right now the leading and trailing wheels just decrease the adhesive weight (in Derail Valley, adhesive weight is calculated as loco weight times number of powered axles divided by total number of axles). I like this idea though and might implement it in a later version. Ideally leading wheels would make it harder to derail when going forward, and trailing wheels would make it harder to derail when going backward (which is I think how they work in real life). But that's really tricky to code. So I might just increase the derail threshold with the number of unpowered axles. IDK when I'll get around to this though.

[@sambrown6426]

@@satiric_ Alright, thanks

[@ElderonAnalas]

Does it work with 0-6-0? Can make changes there too

[@Junior_IV]

sadly i can't use it since i don't have S282 for rearrangement since i only go sandbox and i only have S060

[@billstanden]

Wheel arrangement or wheel derangement?

[@LehrerFamilyWest]

4-4-2

[@ravenheartFF]

Steam engine with variable geometry drivers. If only that could work in real life...

[@Dallen9]

I do find it funny that the 4-4-4 was called Atlantic when is should of been called Jubilee, An Atlantic was a 4-4-2 wheel arrangement.

[@satiric_]

4-4-2 is called an Atlantic in the mod though. I called the 4-4-4 a Reading in this mod because that name seems to have been more commonly used in the US (and I'm from the US so I'm more attached to those names lol). But there was no official standard for the wheel arrangement names, so I've had to just pick something. To be honest I thought more people would be annoyed with me calling 4-8-0 a Twelve Wheeler. Edit: I'm the mod author, guess I forgot to mention that lol

[@Dallen9]

@@satiric_ Well the literature for Wheel arrangement classes are divided by Railroad classes and Builder Classes, calling a 4-8-0 a Twelve wheeler is fitting cause that's what Baldwin called them, I've just never crossed reading class in my personal book studies, what I came across was the Jubilee class held by Canadian Pacific, which could be like the Greenbourgh Class of locomotive(4-8-4 Northern class for the Southern Railway(us)) which is a Railroad class.

[@satiric_]

@@Dallen9 I think the Philadelphia and Reading Railroad called 4-4-4 a Reading (or so Wikipedia says). Not a common wheel arrangement so it seems understandable that there were multiple names.

[@Dallen9]

@@satiric_ I'd believe it. Especially after like 1910 you start seeing all these Alt names for things which I think were trademarked by the various Railroads and companies.

[@transfigur]

And what is the wheel Arrangements mod called?

[@transfigur]

Does it Only work on the S282?

[@zacharyrollick6169]

Make it a 6-2-4.

[@archnachauhan839]

I am pretty early watching this 35 mins

[@testpilotbg]

😈👿yup defently works

[@exoticstranger488]

Nice mod and all, but why is the steam engine called "eat shit & die"

[@transfigur]

WHY DOES THE TENDER SAY EAT #### AND DIE

[@thinkrapter6803]

First

[@franky717-ux9rr]

It’s just incredible on how the mod community can make the game more enjoyable. And it’s the first day of Spooky month, keep up the great work

[@tnexus13]

Flying Scotsman experienced a coupling at Hyce speeds last week. Two minor injuries from what I read.

[@Hyce777]

I saw. Glad it wasn't worse.

[@modeus7829]

was i the only one screaming "hyce ya set the handbrake on the locomotive ahhh!!!" at the screen

[@web1bastler]

He also set the handbrakes on one of the yellow coal cars. smh.

[@modeus7829]

@@web1bastler nono i mean he physically clicked the button in game to set the handbrake XD

[@makostesztakft]

You may find the halfway-open setting on steamers' sand handle is sometimes enough to keep it from slipping. The advantage becomes that you don't drain the whole dome as quick

[@Acela2163]

The most wonderfully cursed mod I think i've seen in any train game. Kudos to the creator.

[@nicholasresar]

Me: Is that smells like Kenosha? Hyce: And we're getting low on water. Me: That's a yes then.

[@thoubythenameofwool]

I was expecting some form of articulated mess, this is 10 times funnier!

[@awildjared1396]

I found out the absolute maximum you can haul with the S282 out of the coal mine (unmodded) is 822 tons

[@Hyce777]

Is that a challenge?

[@awildjared1396]

@@Hyce777 yes, and I would be damn impressed if you beat it.

[@kholdanstaalstorm6881]

I was just waiting for Hyce to say: You're already hearing Smells Like Kenosha, aren't you. That would be such a 4th wall breaking point, but oh so weird if nothing happened! Ending Smells Like Kenosha with a rimshot, just to keep us guessing.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Imagine Hyce pulling off a Pinkie like that... :D

[@Armageddon_71]

I love the design on the ten wheeler! Actually looks (somewhat) legit. And its also a bit of a speed demon like 20!

[@Railman1225]

Just gonna say this now, Hyce. As fun and hilarious as it is when you accidentally blow up a steamer in your ES&D career save, I suggest you dump the fire any and every time your water glass runs empty. Don't even risk it, just dump the fire completely, _then_ open the injector after the firebox cools a good bit. Best way to avoid an explosion, at least in game. Plus, it hasn't worked for me every time, so there's still a chance for shenanigans!

[@warmstrong5612]

Maybe a higher capacity tender should be the next mod since the vanilla tender doesn't seem to cut it.

[@CobetcknnKolowski]

4:57 But Hyce, Silly *is* the scheduled programming.

[@theflyingshunter]

I would love to see a 4-2-2 Wheel arangement

[@ZergSmasher]

Wouldn't that be a Sterling single (e.g. Emily from Thomas the Tank Engine)?

[@theflyingshunter]

@@ZergSmasher yes, thats why i think it would be funny

[@OldEngine_25]

Bro got that a1 Atlantic wheel arrangement

[@TSMThunderbolt]

​@@ZergSmasherYes

[@emmabradley235]

This is a little random but, I have synesthesia, specifically such that my senses of taste, emotion, and sound get all mixed up (lexical-gustatory synethesia). I'm saying this because your music, Hyce, always hits just right and really tastes good and helps me feel better when I'm having a bad day. :) Thanks for being awesome! I love the vid too

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

4:43 You might as well increase teleport distance while you're at it. 4:49 lol... 5:58 LOL! 9:57 Just for reference: That's about as much as an F-4E Phantom II puts out in thrust with all the beanz. 10:14 Mother of me... 10:51 What's the disadvantage of removing them? Only starting to learn about the effects of wheel arrangement through your content, so I'm curious :) 11:26 Get a full save and do the custom settings thing ^^ 13:34 lol. At least it wasn't the independent... 17:38 That sign be like: "C'mon, you're free to do 90, not .9!" 20:45 Classic Hyce ^^ 28:13 lol... hesaisgigglingaround.jpg ^^ 29:03 It is fine. It's fine. Can't smell the Kenosha yet... 29:36 I still wonder what the "bad firebox sounds" are 32:35 Not as much as doing it in Veeeee fricken Orre! 34:26 Derail Valley Is A Horror Game.png 35:13 ROFFLESTOMPED! 38:09 Derail Valley Is A Horror Game. 38:18 Derail Valley Is A Horror Game! 39:32 It's fine. 42:24 Just as nice as the Smell Of Kenosha in the morn'! 43:54 AlL tHe BeEeEaNz! 45:29 That happens when you still got some embers going... 45:45 A wild Cthulhu appeared! 45:57 I may repeat myself here: Derail Valley Is A Horror Game! 46:23 What happens in night shift stays in night shift! :D 46:43 It's fine... it is fine!

[@theodoric4270]

Too bad about the nighttime, but it was cool to see the brake shoes glow like molten iron. I didn't know they did that in game. I wonder if the tires will do that too...

[@CountvonStaffordofVirginia1607]

The 4-4-0 version reminds me of an old Lionel set I used to own. It was a New York Central 4-4-2 Atlantic that had that exact wheel setup. It came with a yellow flatcar, green boxcar, and a red caboose. A semi truck with a stake bed trailer was also included with it.

[@legdig]

I CONTINUE TO BE PROUD OF YOU FOR USING THE DAMPERS EVEN WHEN IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE SANDBOX YAAAAAAAY! Also you can partially open and close them to fine tune your rate of fire

[@Railman1225]

One last thing: for Sandbox, and I guess time of day stuff, I suggest DV Utilities. Great mod, allows you to do a ton of fun stuff, and it's an openable and collapsible menu.

[@Shadowtiger2564]

I cant wait for what people make with custom car loader I know I want to make some stuff but Im not sure how to yet

[@Streaky100001]

Gotta love it when Kenosha starts, it's a guessing game, what's it gonna be this time? Run outta water and blow it up? Take a corner too fast and roll it over? DUNK a bit too hard?

[@CameronMcCreary]

Gee Hyce, what would happen if you modified the locomotive for rocket assist? Great job Hyce on the locomotive blowup.

[@Foxymorris9236]

The 4-4-0 looks like a tinplate Loin L model train

[@UmoadoGaming]

Me when Hyce showed the wheel arrangement change: cool. Me when he said it affected tractive effort and adhesion: 😮🤯

[@greggorytame6672]

Just you wait until Katycat updates CCL to add steam engines again ;p

[@Hyce777]

Give. Me. The. I1sa

[@JamesDenning-r6t]

​@@Hyce777 give me the beans

[@RealTylerBell]

you got to have the american style coupler mod

[@darkassassin395]

Is there an Atlantic wheel arrangement-? (4-4-2) Cause I’ll be real, the 4-4-0 looks quite unbalanced lol. Could use a trailing truck under the cab.

[@That_One_Guy_In_A_Band]

That's what I was thinking, too. A 2-4-2 Columbia type would be cool, too.

[@satiric_]

There is an Atlantic yeah. I think the Atlantic and the Pacific are my two favorite arrangements in the current version.

[@draketherailfanSPSF]

This is truly the best mod in the history of DV!

[@jonnykelly556]

@hyce777, by any chance, are you gonna upload more of the awesome music you and Wings created to Spotify? I really enjoy the music in your videos and I would love to listen to it by itself.

[@detectivesky6123]

No matter how much i look at it, a 4-4-4 does not get any less cursed - also, mikados look wonky and i will die on this hill

[@detectivesky6123]

Also, it's not reading, it's jubilee, fite me lol

[@cjstrader8171]

Hyce what was you experience with automatic stokers and oil atomizers? Also, do you have any experience with a front-end throttle?

[@makostesztakft]

How long you left your blower rockin' was no less than frustrating, given you were just asking where all your water went. Your cold fire be damned, in the back half you certainly didn't need so much

[@Apollad2]

god dang the S282 is significantly weaker in simulator than i remember it being. Sure, i'd use the entire coal loop to build up speed but i remember getting almost 2k tons out with one loco pre-simulator

[@jonmeyer9113]

Hey man! So a few days ago I found a old blueprint of D&RGW no.42, maybe you can add her to Century of Steam.

[@jamesTBurke]

Damn it hyce. Now we need yo remind you about independents, hand brakes and water. I thought you ran these professionally lol

[@MrTea_Man]

You can use WASD to move around while locked to your train

[@_theShank]

You can also hold shift and use the scroll wheel to quickly move up or down the train

[@dappermachine2032]

42:36 *Drums start playing* Me: WHY DO I SMELL KENOSHA?

[@FacundoLagresta-y2u]

ALCO RSD EMD G22 ARGENENO MSTS 668 😀😀😀😀 🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷 B&L COMSA ALL TBA FESA NCA

[@AuraKnightTheLucario]

Professor Hyse you helped solve my choochoos Spontanious Dissassembly problems, and i only had to use the water summoning ritual once!

[@Railman1225]

Also, yeah, if you dump the fire, then put fresh coal into a firebox with a still hot bottom and sides, a good draft, and the blower maxed out, one might find their fire relighting itself

[@Hyce777]

Single tear

[@yellowstonejim]

It would have been nice to be able to see what was going on. Realistic night time sucks.

[@mcp12300]

this is the steam equivilant of the caddy 4-6-8

[@thegamingtako9779]

Not the fer-fer-ohh!

[@Ya_shooter_B]

Love your videos so much they make my day

[@TSMThunderbolt]

S282 ❌ S440 ✅

[@TwinLitz2]

Hey hyce!

[@frankmg4250]

My favorite arrangement is the 0-0-0

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

It's immune to the Smell Of Kenosha!

[@JamesDenning-r6t]

There is no such thing as a 0-0-0 only thing that is close to the 0-0-0 is a 0-6-0

[@frankmg4250]

@@JamesDenning-r6t its a joke

[@frankmg4250]

@@JamesDenning-r6t It's a joke, you don't have to be very funny as a person. And anyway the closest thing to a 0-0-0 is a 0-4-0

[@Foxymorris9236]

35:11 Trackside detector is malfunctioning again because you have several hot boxes

[@PennsyPappas]

By the power invested in me I here by decree that you Hyce of Kenosha shall from this day forth shall use the S282 mod in career playthrough. However thou shall not be able to change whatever engine he comes across and must only use what has been given to him. So it is written so it shall be so go forth young engineer and bin all the trains your heart desires. Your people await the results.

[@Hyce777]

I mean... or people are cool with that id be super happy to do that haha

[@PennsyPappas]

@@Hyce777 Honestly it just adds to the chaos of your career playthrough. Maybe ask your audience I have a feeling they'd be on board.

[@mr.sir.]

Thats honestly very realistic, since GN did that with some of there older power into faster passenger engines

[@satiric_]

They even thought about converting a J-1 Prairie into a Mallet, where the low pressure engine and drivers were under the tender. So it would have been a 2-6-2+6-2 (with the "+6-2" bit being the stuff under the tender, essentially a Triplex but with only 4 cylinders). Sadly it was never actually made.

[@mr.sir.]

@satiric_ If your talking the Brits GN, yes but not the American GN. We never considered such a design

[@mateokuo7502]

So, I've made it to 163 km/h in the S282 without the mod. How?

[@Hyce777]

Good *lord.* where?

[@JasperHuskyFox]

23:28 That music is amazing! What track is that? (No pun intended) EDIT: its Mail Run from the former Railroads Online Soundtrack

[@FuelFire]

S020 when

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

With 0 gauge, please! :D

[@christopheransell2179]

You trying to be like Strasburg's little 1905 D16SB American No. 1223? There are videos of it back in the day just buzzing right along with No.7002 hauling passenger cars...

[@collinblack_60103-]

G'day Hyce, I know you don't like the 4F whistle but have been into the scenio planner on TSW 3? I have used two 8F's from Cumberland to Rockwood with the limestone wagons, it's on the sand patch grade Sim. The Jubilee,8F and 4F work on all the scenios on TSW 3 including the ICE route. I have some issues on the Sherman Hill Sim, the brakes do not work, horseshoe curve Sim the brakes do not release, but I don't have any problems is scenario mode with steam. It's a lot harder than the Diesel's they provide. Love your different type of episodes. Always informative with your knowledge. I live in Newcastle NSW Australia. On railroads Online why don't you have steam in the middle like Denver and Rio Grand loco at the front and one or two in the train somewhere? ,✅🤠🇦🇺

[@Pyrotrainthing]

I was screaming and laughing the whole time the handbrake was left on the locomotive and cars, I'm just so used to playing with Driver UI that was the first thing I noticed.

[@godlugner5327]

Can someone fill me in on the lore about when "Trying" was added to part of the ES&D

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Would love to know as well ^^

[@satiric_]

ES&D is his version of the D&RG, ES&DT is his version of the D&RGW.

[@bow-tiedengineer4453]

If they haven't already, the mod creator should add a single wheeler version. :P

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Add the gauge mod to get The Ultimate So2o Monorail Edition, basically a o1o XD

[@bow-tiedengineer4453]

I more meant single wheeler in the Sterling Single context, which would be something like a 4-2-2 or a 2-2-2, but a steam unicycle would be hillarious.@@CakePrincessCelestia

[@LehrerFamilyWest]

Playing sandbox

[@MultiJohnny73]

On the mountain you lose up to 50% of the tensile load However, the steam locomotive can use up to 75% tensile load

[@KanjiasDev]

You might go reverse through the loop reverse up, then start with 4-4-0 to get it going as fast as possible after going again through the loop and as it slows down changing the wheel setup ^^ Not sure how fast you could go around the loop, but you would've that as starting speed and then could accelerate on the straight until you hit the grades.

[@DavidBureaux]

I’m curious, what drive wheel setup is the most efficient in steam trains, like the best power to weight ratios, or size to traction ratio whichever is the correct way of putting it

[@deaddevilxd8473]

it doesnot work

[@KanjiasDev]

The explanation for the tractive effort misses the fact that in this mod the bigger your wheels the less you get, and bringing the traction you've got onto the track is only affected by the number of the wheels and the weight pressing down on them, right?

[@thetoontrain6073]

4-2-0?

[@Hyce777]

Nope. 4 drivers minimum

[@ravenwda007]

I almost made the climb with the default at 1100T. Stalled near the summit. Darn! You need a diesel to help it at 1000T+

[@frozendude707]

Why are you so allergic towards checking handbrakes? Willing to bet you've forgotten a brake or two the entire run.

[@trishacalkins2513]

Hi Hyce, did you know they have a new update for railroads online? Just came out a couple of days ago !

[@tommydmot7725]

This is cool n all but wee need a 4-8-8-4 config 🐵🐵🐵: where byg boi?

[@MichaelN1201]

Yea put coal in the firebox to soon. Seen that right off. It takes a minute for the fire to go out after dumping the coal 😂

[@landonbeatty6262]

Aww doesn’t start with kenosha

[@dafrog55]

But it seems like it's gonna end with one!

[@stormworksgamer922]

Hey hyce there's a new update on railroads online are u and kan going to check it out there's a new map