Best Motherboards for AMD Ryzen 2018 - AM4 X470 & B450

[@GamersNexus]

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[@Zez1nas]

I am planing on buy b450-f asus strix and ryzen 5 2600 what about that mobo is it good or i should consider msi tomahawk or carbon

[@antonczerwinske5910]

What about the Asrock B450M Pro4?

[@JohnDuthie]

Enable Core Performance Boost on ASUS if you want to BLCK OC with PBO. It's a single toggle.

[@LnDSuv]

Will you do a Z370 review similar to this one?

[@arkhe1n107]

I'm using a 2700x with a ab350m pro4. Should I replace my mobo?

[@MikevomMars]

These progress bars below, which indicate where in the video which board is discussed, are EXTREMELY useful! 👍

[@Mikey_C_06]

Ikr, I only just realised that they were there

[@dethskullcrusher]

Buildzoid doesn't eat cereal for breakfast.. he eats VRM's.

[@tarfeef_4268]

Honey nut inductor-Os

[@johnmijo]

@@tarfeef_4268 Ferrite or non-Ferrite ?!?

[@cockatoo010]

Have you seen his streams? He also overclocks his hair

[@_BangDroid_]

Capacitor Crunch

[@1C3KA2K]

in russia ,VRM eats u

[@yellowspike3344]

MSI Pro Carbon have added negative voltage offset in BIOS version 250 (or earlier). Hit Enter on "CPU Core Voltage" and you get override (static), positive, and negative options

[@stevethea5250]

good or bad?

[@yellowspike3344]

@@stevethea5250 very good

[@Михаил-м4у6л]

@@yellowspike3344 should i pick this board or Tomahawk for R7 3700X?

[@samuelm5140]

Happy with my Asus X470-F for $150!

[@jadesprite]

this is honestly the one video that i DREAMED buildzoid would make, so thank you!

[@cy2087]

Great vid for the overclocking enthusiasts who have OCD about VRM's. Not so great for more mainline viewers like myself. The info was valuable of course, but the title should really be "Best VRM Boards for AMD Ryzen 2018". That's what I feel like I just watched. Not a lot of info on feature comparisons, aspects of the build quality that DON'T have much to do with the VRM, not much on various usage scenarios. I was hoping this would help me decide which board to go with. It only informed me about which would overclock best based on VRM's. Not even a lot of info on why so many of the other boards were "terrible". Thanks anyway though. I did get some new info, but it just wasn't useful to me. When I'm ready to get serious about overclocking, I'll know exactly where to go.

[@Xaltar_]

You are not on the right page. The motherboard market is highly competitive so pricing and profit margins are very tight. There are typically only 2 areas to cut cost on a motherboard, features and VRM. The problem with cutting cost on VRMs is longevity, stability and heat, even at stock clocks. The best board is most often the one with the best VRM at a given price point. Gigabyte for example loves piling on the features and bling on their cheaper boards but at the cost of terrible VRMs, I would not recommend such boards. The info in this video is immensely helpful in that it highlights the 2 areas you need to be aware of while considering a new board, VRMs and features. Throughout the video he mentions "fine for a 2600x" for example, using some logic you can extrapolate and make a more informed purchase. You plan to build with a 2400g? You can get away with a weaker VRM and thus pick a more feature laden board. Naturally, if you plan to keep the board for a while and possibly upgrade the CPU later you should choose based on your desired upgrade. VRM components and cooling solution are my number one consideration when picking a board these days, heat is the enemy and you do not want to compromise on areas that could cause you heat issues down the line. At the end of the day it works like this: Choose a selection of boards to consider based on your understanding and knowledge. Read/watch reviews on all of them Make an informed decision based on the combined information/knowledge

[@mmulari1]

And this comes out 30 minutes after I hit purchase on the X470 Gaming Plus... god damn

[@plonk420]

He has reviewed pretty much all relevant VRM mosfets used in x470/b450 (and 370/350) if you just watch his videos and compare what boards have the same mosfets on HardwareLuxx's AM4 VRM List

[@hamokamo]

That board is currently playing havoc with my RGB ram - corsair vengeance pro, I seem to only be able to control it via rgb fusion (which is a horrible programme) just be careful if you're buying the same ram or similar rgb ram, waiting for corsair to send me a firmware file so I can re flash my ram

[@mmulari1]

I have looked at his videos, just not the B450 one. Hence the X470 Gaming Plus. Not going to cancel the order as there was a really good discount on.

[@mmulari1]

Luckily I'm not going to have that problem. Less RGB is better for me. I don't really care about that side of things. Hence I ordered the non RGB version of the Corsair ram. Cheers for the info in any case.

[@docbogus6128]

@@hamokamo The ROG Strix X470-F Gaming (up to the 4024 BIOS) has problems with RGB management. It forgets its own profiles, for example, and keeps lighting up when off. I just removed the IO cover and voila, stealth mode... and much better termals!

[@AlmHurricane]

Well... The High End Board should be the Asus ROG Crosshair Hero 7... The Statement about changing the BCLK will lock the CPUs frequency is actually wrong. der8auer actually tested exactly the case mentioned. He put a 2700x on a Crosshair H7, changed the BCLK, changed the voltage offset and powerlimits and got the 2700x to boost up to nearly 4,5ghz on a single core via precision boost... I can also validate the CPU not locking up on baseclock after changing the BCLK on my Crosshair hero 6 with my 1700x. After that is ruled out, the awesome build quality and the awesome UEFI of the Crosshair Hero 7 makes it a better choice over the Aorus Gaming.

[@elitetripod4188]

This is probably the only review from GN that I haven't liked so far. Buildzoid is great but for a video titled "Best motherboards for AMD Ryzen 2018" he focuses mainly on VRM and overclocking support and that's about it. When buying a mobo you focus on much more than overclocking ability and VRM and Buildzoid doesn't cover those features at all. When he does he makes some mistakes like the CH7 having no Code display like the Taichi, but it does have that you can even see it in the picture he used in the video. This video should have been titled "Best Motherboards for overclocking AMD Ryzen 2018" and not specifying that will be a bit misleading to a lot of people.

[@C0manso]

He mentioned the Crosshair not accepting BCLK overclocking either, but I can change mine with no cpu core clock bugs, etc.

[@pedrocarmo3161]

@Alb 92 Go watch is main channel then...If you had already seen is review of the AM4 X470 Asrock MOBOs , you should know its the reason he doens´t put them as the best MOBOs

[@themining_pickaxe4355]

I came here to see if he can recommend a mainboard to run KVMs on with solid IOMMU group „distribution“, but only overclocking. What a bummer

[@TheBilaras97]

because all the other features do not need review the mobos either have what you want or dont thats up to you but for vrms you need someone to test or someone like buildzoid to who knows what are the best,like what do you want him to say?list the features that are in the site?

[@themining_pickaxe4355]

@Bill Nanos I disagree with your argumentation. If I can see what features a mobo has, can't I see what kind of VRMs it has? and chokes etc? If you can find all the data online, you still don't know "oh, how well are the VRMs cooled?" Yes, thats what buildzoid can tell you. But the same goes for other features. "oh cool it has that feature, how well does it actually work?" You need independent reviews to answer that.

[@sssesoj]

I think people should just wait for zen 2 period. But if they can't then they shouldn't. But if they can, then they should. But if they can't then they

[@tommihommi1]

generally the best option for buying hardware is always not to

[@papajavaleri]

LOL, the age old question of need versus greed xD

[@WolfA4]

Been into PC building since 2000, there's always some other new hardware on the horizon that people say you should wait for, always. Eventually you just need to build your computer with the hardware available.

[@Henk14789]

But zen 3 will be even better!

[@MinecrafterPiano]

Keep old hardware for 4/5 generations, then buy one generation back used.

[@tonkatoytruck]

Glad to see Gamer's Nexus recognize the skills of Buldzoid and sharing it with the rest of us. Hope you can send more hardware his way and share more of his in depth investigations.

[@Adsta]

video was too long. Halfway through it, I got hungry so I left it playing and went to the kitchen to fix my self a sandwich. But then I found out that I'm out of mayonnaise so I went to a store. There, I saw the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in my whole life. But I'm really a shy person so I took up a three-year personality development course so I can introduce my self. She was very friendly and all, but unfortunately, she has a boyfriend. So I said, all good, I'm a mature person. I want the best for her and I harbor no illusion that I am the best person for her and she seems happy with her boyfriend, so I did not bother her anymore. But we kept in touch and we became friends and I got over my crush on her. Then she broke up with her boyfriend, we drank some alcohol because of it, I told her she'll be fine and I wished her well. I still think she's the most beautiful woman in the world, but like I said, I am over my crush on her. It was like five years already when I first saw her. Besides, I am quiet happy with the friendship I developed with her. It was more important than a crush. So we kept hanging out, drinking, having coffee, and all. I had a girlfriend, she started dating other guys. My girlfriend wants to live some other life without me in it, so I said, okay, I want the best for you and I want you to pursue your happiness. My lady friend and I drank alcohol about it, and she gave me the same advice I gave her when she was in that position and I became okay with the breakup immediately. But we were really drunk, so she spent the night in my apartment. I only have one bed, so you know what that means: She took the bed and I slept on the couch. But on the couch, I really can't sleep. Something was bothering me. So I tossed and turned for about three hours, then I finally can't take it anymore, I stood up and went straight to my room where she's sleeping. I approached the bed, gently sat on it and I reached for her shoulder to pull her closer to me. She stirred and woke up. She asked what's up. I told her, you know, the first time I saw you, I was watching a video and left it playing to get my self a sandwich then went to the store to get some mayo then I got distracted by life that I forgot to finish the video. She said, you know what, I've been wondering about a weird noise in your night drawer. So we opened that drawer, and lo and behold, there's my phone and this video still has two minutes of play time on it.

[@tobiasjo1657]

Did you copy and paste this ? Or is this your idea? ^^

[@Adsta]

@@tobiasjo1657 You will never know

[@voshkof]

10/10

[@svenf5888]

It's Buildzoid. Believe me, it's a short video.

[@tobiasjo1657]

@@Adsta Im sure that sentence is not from you either

[@ventilate4267]

I'm glad he also recommended the MSI ITX board because I bought it yesterday

[@SAGAR1996]

NEED A UPDATE best x470 and X570 for 3900X ?

[@rudolfdzhyhirei2406]

Tomahawk is fine for stock I guess.

[@chapinero017]

@@rudolfdzhyhirei2406 Microcenter is sold out on MSI Carbons QQ Is the Tomahawk a valid second candidate?

[@martinivanov1319]

what about asrock x470 fatal1ty k4? why is he not mentioning it anywhere?

[@Михаил-м4у6л]

@@chapinero017 have you picked Tomahawk? I'm wondering about this board for R7 3700X (also wondering about getting 3600 instead...argh!)

[@HalfdeadRider]

@@Михаил-м4у6л I hope you got a better board for your 3600/3700x at least a decent mid range x470, if you could, an x570 for more future proofing with the next gen cpu's not far away, even if you plan to upgrade in a year or three. I'm getting a 2700x as I'm doing video editing quite a lot but on a low budget, I'm just about ruling out b450's now, but if I find a decent x570 in my price range when I'm ready to build, I'll get that instead of the x470, it should then last quite a few years or so with some upgrading along the way.

[@papajavaleri]

I bought a mobo a week ago and yet I feel like I've missed a bullet after seeing this video. Could it be... I'm not a hardware noob anymore? O.O Btw I'm really glad you are doing those analysis videos with buildzoid, if it wasn't for you guys I would have never known about him nor would I have watched his videos(some of which helped me build a pc so THANKS A LOT!!).

[@ivanbrasla]

Which mobo have you bought?

[@papajavaleri]

@@ivanbrasla x470 Taichi for £169.99

[@v1asec]

Thanks a bunch, Buildzoid! Finally I know which motherboards to recommend. From one of your previous videos I learned to recommend MSI in B450, so I think I haven't done much wrong in my recommendations. I also recommended some of the MSI X470 GAMING, just not sure if Plus or Pro, when B450 Carbon was currently sold out. I recommend even B450-A Pro that should, according to hardwareluxx list, have the same VRM as Tomahawk, though it has much less eye candy. Hopefully I was not wrong there.

[@bear5016]

"Just buy it" code lmao!

[@fajaradi1223]

Have you bought it?

[@Assimilator702]

So glad I watched this video. Was just about to pull the plug on the MSI Gaming Pro Plus. Decided to go with the MSI B450 Pro Carbon. And it’s back ordered on Amazon for another week which means many people chose to go with this board. It’s selling for $130 on Amazon now if anyone’s interested. Newegg has it for $153.

[@1Shingami]

Do you believe the Strix X470 would handle the upcoming Ryzen 3700X?

[@manishdhabalia7778]

Yup any Mobo with 256mb rom for bios will get Zen 2 support till r7 or maybe MAYBE R9 ALSO

[@danny55531]

What Motherboard would you recommend me: - No overclocking just base clock - No SLI or Crossfire - Must have RGB -Wifi is not mandatory but preferred - specs: - ATX Full size case - Ryzen 7 2700x - RTX 2070 - 32 GB RAM - 500 GB SSD (SATA 2.5) - 6 TB HD

[@doxxriff6141]

danny55531 whats the price of rx2070?

[@danny55531]

@@doxxriff6141 RTX 2070 is about the 480 - 520 USD price range

[@Morne_Smith]

Hi Buildzoid...will you be doing a similar feature with the new X570 motherboards? I am looking at getting/upgrading to an AMD system...but would seriously like your input on the best board out there?

[@KilianGosewisch]

Yes please!

[@LucasLeCompteMusic]

In the same boat. I think I will grab a x470 or b450 board and get either a ryzen 3600 or a 2600/2700 on the cheap. X570 will be expensive and will only really have pcie4.

[@sbr-synrosimbugracing9338]

It will most likely be the Gigabyte board for the VRM is anything else. Server quality stuff. The money you save on the cpu will go into the mb if you want a very good one.

[@TheXerb]

Love those motherboard mashups. I'm gonna build a Ryzen 3000 system next summer and it'd be great if you make the same video for the new boards. I bet a lot of people would be interessted in that, too.

[@troychampion]

I don't care about overclocking.. it's pointless to me... I feel that is the reason i am buying a high end cpu ... so i don't have to overclock it... therefore.. i am more concerned with which mobo is able to run the high end AMD cpu's the best and also gives me the most or best complimenting other features. I like a stable system.. I want it to be able to run 24/7 day in day out and never be shut down, I want a system I can hook up ten to 14 hard drives (I have a boatload of video on HD), I can load a lot of memory, and.. if i feel like it I can play a game on. I want to be able to watch my shows, transfer files well, network well with my other computers in my home, I hook up my computer to my 65" tv and use it from across the room with wireless mouse & keyboard. I don't know which is the best mobo for me, but I've built in the past using Gigabyte and they've served me well in the past. I wish this video was more suited to people like me who don't care about overclocking.. and just want to know which is the best mobo for a 8 or more core cpu. Also knowing which other attributes might be good or prove more valuable to me in my situation. If someone else has an opinion, i'll gladly accept it, thanks for your time.

[@chillermiller8654]

If all I had to do was a small over lock to achieve the performance I wanted for a particularly low price I wouldn’t pay more to achieve slightly better performance without overclocking

[@MultiGamerg]

Kinda a late reply, but. If you don't plan on overclocking then you really only need to look for features you want on your mobo, which is all neatly displayed on the manufacturer's website. For what you want you just need to find a semi-cheap mobo that has a lot of I/O and sata ports. Really today any ATX mobo has a lot of both, just don't buy some no-name brand one.

[@tonkatoytruck]

I really don't like the word overclocking. I prefer to call it "performance recovery". CPUs and DDR memory all come with very lose timing\frequencies at first. This is because performance varies from CPU to CPU, memory stick to memory stick. So, they set the timing loose so that everyone's machine boots up without any problems. Great for the mfgs. but not so great for the consumer. Lots of free performance just sitting there if you do not recover it. And with anything in life, moderation is the key. Ryzen really benefits from these efforts and so does quality system memory.

[@troychampion]

@@tonkatoytruck I have a car, with a v6 engine I can put performance enhancements on the engine and get an extra 40 horsepower (about 20% more performance) I have used this car as my daily driver for 12 years, it has provided me with 198,000 miles so far and still runs great, I'm all about dependability. Simply put, overclocking runs the risk of shortening the lifespan. I don't understand why people go mudding, drifting, drag racing with their vehicle they depend on either. I can understand doing it with a spare vehicle for fun, research, or because you want to spend a lot of money.

[@tonkatoytruck]

@@troychampion So can working on your own car but you took the risk and gained performance. The big difference; you had to pay extra for that performance.

[@freakface3312]

Will be going from Intel to AMD very soon! And the B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC will be my mobo of choice. My current wifi stick is old and has been torturing me in my competitive gaming lately. I also heard that 2.0 USB adds a delay to those sticks (which sucks because my mobo only has 2.0 ports lmao). So I'll be very excited to try out the onboard wifi on the new mobo! If I remember, I'll come back and provide an update on how it performs! :)

[@TheSLSAMG]

What are your thoughts on the B450-I/X470-I from ASUS? Any particularly bad reasons why they weren't mentioned? Love the videos as always Buildzoid 😀

[@mkreku]

I would love to hear this too since I am currently building an ITX and have been eyeing the ASUS ROG STRIX B450-I GAMING. It looks great on paper?

[@aaronjones6660]

Likewise, I picked up the Asus B450-I based on Buildzoids pre-release commentary/thoughts video in prep for a Zen2 itx build. Was hoping to hear a bit about it here.

[@crackongpc3017]

I had a x370-i from Asus, it is doing good with 1800x pushing 4GHz and 3600 Memory, so far so good. The x470-i is basically the same board.

[@MichaelStephenLordReserei1987]

I had a Aorus X470 Ultra Gaming. It kicked the bucket in around two and a half months. I'm now rocking a ASUS Prime X470 Pro--fingers crossed it lasts a lot longer.

[@venger5705]

Thank you so much for these Videos!!

[@leeadkins1360]

I grabbed the MSI X470 Gaming Plus yesterday for £109, which is the same as the B450 tomahawk and bit cheaper than the B450 Gaming Pro Carbon at £134. The video you did on the Gaming Plus swayed me and after seeing this seems I could have picked worse :)

[@louisalvarez614]

"Unlike RayTracing our merch actually exist!!" good point

[@NeoCyrus777]

Love these videos; They are pretty niche and hard to find high quality ones, so it's always great seeing one well done like this.

[@sandorski56]

Best Overclocking Motherboards would have been a better title. Most people would be more interested in other features than what this vid covers.

[@rawdez_]

most people wouldn't even be subscribed to Gamers Nexus and would simply choose according to manufacturers specs. buildzoids reviews give what all other reviewers combined can't . so just go watch crap that just states everything that you can look up by yourself if you knew how to use google

[@sandorski56]

The Title is inaccurate. That's all that I said.

[@YourCRTube]

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[@whiskeymike7364]

Great vid, thank you. I got the X470 Taichi based on BZ's VRM analysis from a while back and am not unhappy. I wish the Taichi had better wifi and M.2, but it does have other virtues. This channel and his Actually Hardcore Overclocking channel have been extremely useful, though I founder a bit on AHC channel, but am learning. Also, thanks for Z390 Dark link.

[@Platypus_Warrior]

IMPORTANT !!! : MSI now allows voltage offset... No there isn't. My mistake

[@Jack_Sparrow131]

Which Bios Version allow that? I got B450 Tomahawk, Bios: 1.20v Didn't see any new Voltage offset

[@Platypus_Warrior]

Really? Are you sure you are running last update? Are you sure it's a tomahawk B450? Sorry for asking again, I will recheck my sources@@Jack_Sparrow131

[@Platypus_Warrior]

Ok my bet, I should be more careful with what I read online. Sorry, there's no offset possible.@@Jack_Sparrow131

[@phyrexiacl]

GREAT INFO, PRESENTATION AND THE TIMEFRAME ON THE LEFT.

[@claritoresdiano1021]

for Best MSI OC sort by VRM; #TOP Tier *X470 Gaming M7 AC #High end 1. B450i Gaming Plus AC 2. X470 Gaming Pro Carbon AC #Mid end 1. B450(+M)Tomahawk/Mortar/Titanium/Bazooka Plus 2. X470 Gaming Plus/Pro 3. B450 Gaming Pro Carbon/AC 4. B450 A pro 5. B450(+M) Gaming plus #Low * B450M Bazooka * B450 Pro VDH * B450 pro M2 #Unknown: - B450 Bazooka V2 - B450 Pro VDH Plus - B450 Pro VDH V2 - B450 Pro M2 V2

[@Drew_Hurst]

Super solid roundup. All the right info I needed. Practical info too. TY Liked the way you talked about the honorable mentions, helped me decide about other mobo's that caught my eye. Will be handy for when stock choices are limited too.

[@eattca738]

damn going shopping in my rally car :) this came too late

[@bondiger1]

same but i still have receipt taking back c7 and getting ultimate instead or should i wait for cyber monday

[@palleppalsson]

Same here, Black Friday rally car.

[@BobRossThaLegend]

Same, but I don't have any regrets since it'll be compatible with whatever AMD has late 2020 which is why I was willing to pay extra for it. Edit: Spelling

[@bondiger1]

@@BobRossThaLegend that statement is why i have a hard time givning it back . i brought a 2600x for 167 at mc so im set for a upgrade when new stuff comes out. but yea ill keep it

[@wolf16731]

Same, but mine is the X370 version. No regrets, lol.

[@faktionfpv3590]

I like how you still articulate with the mouse cursor while you commentate

[@HaydenH]

“If you’re seeing this in like a week” oh crap

[@vnyggi621]

Oh crap

[@SuperPpires]

I think just one thing miss in the video to do it a better video and that would be include the x370/x350 best on categories just because the difference in price is insane at this time and i have the ideia that they still relevant.Anyway great video, thanks gamersnexus and buildzoid.

[@SuperPpires]

@bouke Kalkwijk its not the same because its not "in compare" since this boards didnt exist yet but today you have the possibilty to mention a board in alternative i can give you an example (iam not 100%sure and that is why i think that information would complement even better the video) Strix X370-F Gaming is better then any of the boards in under 150dollars and cost the same in my country so i am thinking you can find it too specially during black friday on other countries. And if i can make this conclusion there are alot of ppl that cant and i think this video have the objective of helping less informed ppl so that was my logic when suggesting that the video could be a bit better.

[@adamfcplm]

What about the MSI B450M Pro-VDH compared to the MSI B450m Mortar? What are the differences?

[@Yuzume]

the MSI B450M Pro-VDH is ultra lower end compared to the Mortar, which is actually pretty solid

[@andrewleber537]

I got the A7H because during BF newegg had a deal for buying it with a $15 discount plus a reduced price to $230. It ended up coming out to $409 for the bundle price with a 2600x while the Gaming 7 (my original choice) was going to be $420 total. I do appreciate the preset memory timings for overclocking the DRAM on the crosshair and now it's 1.0.0.6 so even better. My plan was really what I'd want for future proof with zen2.

[@HamzaElgarrab]

Let me tell you I'm running an FX 8530 @ 5.2Ghz on a 40$ board since 3 years with only 1 case fan, no issues. Stop swearing with VRMs I'm sure everyone will be just fiiiine.

[@HamzaElgarrab]

@@je5terc0re I already did while overclocking no issues. And what's the purpose to run it if it's working for 3 years no problem rendering videos and gaming? Sometimes people online take youtube benchmarks and tests like religion.. The same story goes for thermal paste application and airflow design. People go nuts because of stuff that changes almost nothing.

[@katerwhall1865]

This video really helped me figure out my r5 2600 build. getting the ATX mortar. thank you sir.

[@Kiyometa]

Thank you Buildzoid for making this, I know I mentioned in the intel video about looking for something like this. Because of your videos on both this and your channel I am returning my ASrock B450m Pro4 and getting an MSI B450m Mortar. (The VRM was getting hot even just running stock on the 1700X......) I had actually already ordered it a few days ago during Black Friday and so was able to get it for $80. My goal is to use it with the Zen 2 CPUs considering I got the 1700x for $135, I plan to sell it once Zen 2 comes out and don't think I'll lose any money XD. Here's to hoping there isn't any major change to the B550/Z570 chipsets/boards.

[@therocinante3443]

AHH.. The buildzoid accent strikes again.

[@BlizzardWind99]

He's German, right?

[@peterhansuwurst7852]

@@BlizzardWind99 He's Czech

[@xyoopridex]

I've actually used msi b450 a-pro mobo to build my first pc few weeks ago cpu: ryzen 5 2600 gpu: xfx rx 580 gtr 8gb black edition SOC motherboard: Msi b450 a pro atx storage: WD 1tb hdd and inland professional 120gb ssd ram: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory psu: corsair cx550m semi-modular case: fractal design focus g black mid-tower atx cost: $650 after tax

[@teOChnologist]

Buildzoid, have you tested Asus X470i mini-ITX and its overclocking potential with R7 2700x? Any suggestions on this combo?

[@SameerBalasubrahmanyam]

I’d like to understand this as well!

[@crackongpc3017]

I had a x370-i from Asus, it is doing 4GHz 1.35v with 1800x with 3600 Memory, so far so good. The x470-i is basically the same board I would expect above average overclocking results.

[@teOChnologist]

@@crackongpc3017 Thanks for the reply. My concern though is the board's vrm behaviour under 2700x PBO overclocking as the heatsink on x470i is quite different.

[@taith2]

Thank you! Good guide trough AM4 motherboards, not planning to get one myself, will most likely wait for AM5 and DDR5 once these come around as of now my i7 2600 holds up well, hope you will make similar sort of video in the future as will take your analysis to the heart once I decide to change my platform.

[@c1nnami]

i looked at the buuild mat and the thing on amazon that says "Customers that bought this item also bought..." and they were all the other items you listed lmao

[@suadmemo2412]

Buildzoid we love you for your work!!

[@АртёмКучеренко-ь8г]

you should remake this video (MSI get bios with the offset voltage)

[@CodyDanielson]

Can confirm. My B450 Tomahawk now has voltage offset options after upgrading to bios v1.4

[@milchkopf3881]

that is good news... i just ordered one

[@raphael2924]

@@CodyDanielson how about blck?

[@gabrielst527]

will wait for a video like this with ryzen 2 release. Good job.

[@siskodata]

I am not an Asus fan boy but why not consider that the Asus ROG Crosshair 7 Hero is the only motherboard that can do RAID using the 2 M.2 NVME and they both use lanes from the CPU granted sacrificing 8 lanes from the gfx card slot. I can't understand why GN didn't do this video as all that matters to Buildzoid are VRMs not all round he even did not consider the Bclk capabilities of this motherboard. Can't understand this video.

[@siskodata]

@FeelTheThunder you know that if what you say is proven at least you made a better job then what Buildzoids did in the video cause you still gave more info. This video is useless and very superficial. It is stupid to say that the Asus board has nothing more to offer then the Taichi and the Aorus gaming 7 when it is the only mainstream motherboard (both from Intel or AMD) that can do the RAID NVME with the PCIE lanes from the CPU and the price difference isn't that big. Also I am not sure but he is wrong about the Bclk with the Asus board I think it handles it better because of the Asynchronous mode. Just watch the review by Wendell on the Asus board.

[@TheBilaras97]

you can read this on the product page though you cant read about the true vrm quality...

[@siskodata]

@@TheBilaras97 and you can watch half a dozen KZbin videos out there about many of these boards and they give you the same info on the VRMs when these boards came out months ago.

[@Vivi_Strike]

I dont think many people is gonna raid an SSD, especially an NVMe since having two of those could cost about half the price of your whole build.

[@siskodata]

@@Vivi_Strike lol what size what make I mean do you even think before you write and anyway that is not the point

[@Marc_Wolfe]

Buildzoid has gotten better at explaining why certain boards are good.

[@aldenkuldip7806]

You released this the day after BF?

[@littlerhino2006]

You're looking at it wrong, it's two days before Cyber Monday

[@firemedic1343]

@@littlerhino2006 Haha, very true. In retrospect, my response is entitled. But I meant it mainly out of sadness. But thankfully Buildzoid had other videos that I poured over. My choice was just confirmed with this video. I really do appreciate the work Buildzoid puts in on this. I'm very happy with my motherboard thanks to you.

[@robertmcmahon1807]

Much improved tone. Informative without being condescending. Good stuff.

[@HamzaElgarrab]

what's with everyone just talking about VRMs...!? I'm sure 99.99% of people will be just fine with any modern mobo. Talking a little bit about features and build quality will be appreciated.

[@teeraax9898]

It's always like that with gamers, they think it's rocket sience

[@jhonedoe3734]

VRM counter in this video: 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

[@HamzaElgarrab]

@@teeraax9898 I mean manufacturers test them before release, why is everyone so paranoid with power delivery and VRMs these days lol

[@teeraax9898]

@@HamzaElgarrab VRMs are the new FPS

[@alexc5798]

gigabyte one with stock 2700 hits 120degree with no oc. ANY modern mobo WONT work the same

[@imandatta85]

After days of research i finally went for MSI B450 Gaming carbon Pro Ac with Ryzen 2600x.. All thanks to Buildzoid !!

[@stenyhs]

Best Motherboards for AMD Ryzen 3700X X470 & B450? 😁 SAME 😁

[@DasHeino2010]

B450 Tomahawk

[@mr_beezlebub3985]

I got the Asus Crosshair Hero VII after seeing Level1Tech's video on it

[@Arhentir]

AM4socket; Asus>Asrock>msi>bostar>noname mobo>gigabyte Gigabyte mobos trash, dont waste any bucks.

[@mango251]

Y

[@ozker5448]

Rather trust buildzoid than some random person in the comments tbh.

[@tonkatoytruck]

I dont think we watched the same video. MSI was the clearly the best bang for the buck line up.

[@thetrashman5252]

If you are referring to the bios on Gigabyte boards, then I wholly agree with you. Otherwise I question your sanity.

[@Arhentir]

I'm send nearly 80 AM4 mobo to giga's rma , last 6 months. Fail rate 3x time higher than asus or msi. Plus, dram compatibility issues still remain in 400 series nobos, not fixed all. You free to trust a "influencer's" suggestions, I don't give a f*ck

[@Hendrik2k3]

Thank you very much. With your help, i was able to find my best hardware for upgrade :) Keep on with your work

[@CraigLillie]

First of all, This should be titled Best Overclocking Motherboards for AMD Ryzen 2018 - AM4 X470 & B450, as all it is is overclocking this & overclocking that. What about us normal people who Don't overclock? Overclocking features mean Diddly Squat to us, and if you are an newbie who's building their first PC, all this is confusing as heck. Second, gotta do the mandatory "Is MSI paying you for this" comment. :-D I say, I SAY That's a joke son.

[@augustosantos6860]

Well, if u dont overclock u realy should bother choosing a mobo, just pick anything that have what u need. But yeah, i think the tittle would be better if was "best mobos for overclocking..."

[@f4rensabri]

Even if you dont overclock, if you're going for the 6-cores or 8-cores Ryzen, you will still need boards with good VRM setup for durability. If you're going for the APUs or 4-cores, only then you can choose whatever board you like.

[@oohshiney8179]

"Normal" people overclock all the time. To a person who builds their own PC and overclocks going on 12 years+ you are actually not normal because the information you are looking for is basic and in the specifications tab of every motherboard when viewing for buying. At this point you are asking them to read you a bed time story.. something you can do by yourself when looking up the motherboards yourself. Overclocking is not the only reason you get better VRM. You get them for upgrading purpose. For instance, the next gen ryzen 2 may fit in the socket only if the VRM will be strong enough or the processor now can do ram rates up to 4000mhz so those boards with the bigger VRM is now capable of handling those speeds with maybe a bios update Etc.. And also for a planned mini ITX build this was really helpful none the less and really it had nothing to do with overclocking.

[@rawdez_]

then you go with pentium gold or i3 and not AMD Ryzen

[@prdx8543]

Normal people do overclock if you plan to buy X version. The processor has automatic overclocking capability. Even when they don't know it, X ryzen overclocks itself. So yeah. No matter what board you pick, ryzen will overclock. But its potential are only limited by board's VRM capability. Also, ryzen will use same board for the next 2 years. Picking the right board with right power delivery will save you money from buying a new board when you want to upgrade.

[@HitMarkersAreFun]

Question for Buildzoid and GN, now that we know some more details of Ryzen 3000, do you think that the top end x470 boards, like the taichi, taichi ultimate, etc will be good boards for not only running 3800x or the 3900x, but also good for OC those chips as well? I know, wait for reviews to get facts, but it is interesting to hear/read your opinion(s) since you guys work a lot with these products and have good insight on how things might/should work.

[@ashark9898]

The tachi and tachi ultimate will most definitely do well with the 3800x, and probably the 3900x as they are rated for a max 300w CPU and have a 16 phase vrm

[@จตุพรจันทสุรวงศ์]

15:55 let's say you live somewhere where summer hit like 35 Celsius or 30 Me/ in a country where raining season avg 33 Celsius. :This board gonna explode or what??

[@WinterCharmVT]

Thank you Buildzoid, for doing this

[@KyuketsuNinja]

how about the Asus Prime X470-Pro? any good?

[@docbogus6128]

Doc Bogus Buildzoid made a video on his channel in which he compares the Prime and the Strix. Basically they're the same, but the Strix has an upgraded VRM and debugging lights as a bonus.

[@PaulRizzo504]

B450 and Ryzen 7 2700x here and it runs great. Idles at 28c, games at 60c with air cooler that comes with it.

[@josephlavoie8358]

Why were these boards basically rated on VRM alone? This is a very misleading and narrow way to review a motherboard. Case in point, which one of these boards was used to set Ryzen overclocking records??? Oh that's right, none of them... There's more to overclocking than phase count, and it's no where near what determines a quality motherboard. Steve, you know this, and this review was sub par to when you do them yourself. Sorry, but Buildzoids view on mobo's is narrow and misguided. The video should be labelled what it is... Buildzoid reviews VRM's.

[@Deathmoths]

yup

[@romevang]

If you need a motherboard to just slap a build together then this video isn’t for you. Just about anything out there that works will do that for you. This video was targeted towards anyone that overclocks their board even slightly. And these are the boards he felt that fits a casual on air OC’ers best. Maybe a better title will help. But there’s nothing misleading here. Especially if you have watched buildzoid for a while. There are plenty of other videos out there that review features of boards on stocks settings.

[@bayanzabihiyan7465]

narrow and misguided ??? First of all, aint nobody here setting overclocking records with their hyper 212 evo or H100i cpu coolers anyways. VRMs are THE BEST way to evaluate a quality motherboard vs a bad one. Good VRM = good power delivery = more stable overclock, that doesnt overheat the motherboard and cause your system to shut down. (This includes phase count, mos-fet efficiency, filtering quality, and heatsink quality which he took into account) The second most important feature is the bios in which He did take into consideration basically ripping on MSI for lacking needed settings needed for PBO and APU OC. Anything else can be found on a spec sheet.

[@BreakingDimes]

@@bayanzabihiyan7465 not exactly

[@josephlavoie8358]

@@romevang I watch Buildzoid and have been subbed to him for a long time. That doesn't change the fact that overclocking shouldn't be the deciding factor on what makes a board best. The boards mentioned aren't even the best overclockers. The MSI boards lack voltage offset which he mentioned. That alone makes them garbage for OCing Ryzen 2. Boards should be reviewed based on what they're designed to be used for and the overall quality. That involves looking at user experience, feature set and reliability, not just VRM phase count and heat sinks. That's fine for AHOC, but not for a Gamers Nexus video.

[@Targetlockon]

YES another buildzoid vid! :) Wanted to know what x470 motherboard was the best for awhile now?! was waiting for this video...

[@Schmirgus]

The Asus B450 I isnt as good as the mentioned ITX motherboards? At least it seems to have the same VRM as the Asus X470

[@needausernamesoyeah]

If I remember correctly. Asus downgraded their VRM with the 400 series. The x370 had a 6 phase with 60 amp power stages (like the reccomend msi b450i). While the newer b450 and x470 changed them to 50 amp instead of the previous 60.

[@needausernamesoyeah]

@Alb 92 Thats true. I wish that my B450 pro carbon had voltage offset. Buildzoid said that he has a MSI contact now, hopefully their someone that's able to help get that implemented in their bios. While the 60 amp power stages would probably run cooler at the same output. With a negative offset you might be able to get the same or better performance, even if the 50a ones are less efficient on paper.

[@guitarwelsh]

Hands down best shoppers guide for am4! Thank you buildzoid and gamers nexus

[@playthegameslink9691]

Can you do a vídeo about the best 1440p ultra GPU?

[@feelsgood4603]

I got a 1080 ocd to 2100mhz and 1440p ultra for me is usually under average 80fps. I would go 1080 ti if I had to choose again. New 1080 ti prices are crazy right now, but theres some good ones on Ebay for around $700. My 1080 right now is playing AC odyssey on High at 90fps 1440p. Maybe in 2019 AMD will release something at 1080ti performance for $500.00 Everyones hoping they save PC Gaming.

[@ivanbrasla]

For ultra 1440p60 on AAA games you're looking at gtx 1070, 1070ti on the nvidia side, and vega 56/64 on the amd side. Nvidias consume less power, amds are more tweakable and use freesync, which means cheaper monitor if you want some form of adaptive sync. For AAA 1440p144 you're looking at gtx 1080ti, 2080, or 2080ti.

[@johntucket9221]

2080 strikes a good balance. I picked up a new one for 650$ on ebay with the 15% off deal last week.

[@draugr7693]

I'm using an MSI X470 Gaming Plus cos it was on sale for £120 at the time which made it the cheapest i could find anywhere at the time and i'm using it with an R5 2600 and 16GB 3200MHz RAM and it has no problem overclocking the RAM to 3200MHz and haven't had any problems with it so far. It might not be the best X470 you can get but for the price it's still a really good motherboard.

[@rdrive2000]

No comments on the MSI x470 gaming m7?

[@fatfacebig9622]

trash

[@Jonny_B410]

Based off some of his previous comments just on MSI. The M7 has good vrm for static overclock but no offset voltage. Considering the price being 216-229 other boards give more options (Gaming 7). Doesn't mean the M7 is bad.

[@rdrive2000]

Jonathon Lee I bought it for $187

[@blackkimchics]

This is extremely insightful as I was considering making a Ryzen based workstation computer, thanks for all the insight!

[@drake6836]

I have asus x470 f its great

[@jeneralgod]

@@drake6836 i have the x370 version, it's a beast

[@drake6836]

@@jeneralgod yeah

[@profix25lo]

what about the asus x470 or b450 itx board???

[@FcoEnriquePerez]

He said that everything not in here is awful, so.. that tells you lol

[@MrZoichi]

That GN Store commercial is my favorite commercial and promo code ever.

[@ivanibrahim4597]

I still dont understand why buildzoid really likes gigabyte motherboards, oc3d doesnt like em and give em a really bad review sometimes, and personally gigabyte motherboards just doesnt last long for me and asus mobo just works everytime. I dont understand what "best" means in this video.

[@GamersNexus]

Because the hardware is good. Doesn't matter what others think. Different reviewers have different opinions. BZ's is based on a lot of XOC experience.

[@MegaGasek]

The motherboard vendors keep trading blows as to who makes the best of them, every generation. I have had my X58 Gigabyte UD3R for 9 years now. I still haven't upgraded... Not the right moment yet... If what you said is true we wouldn't be able to buy these 8/9 years old motherboards on Ebay anymore because (most of them) they would be dead. Also, my processor has been overclocked to 4.5Ghz and runs 24/7 at this speed... All I did was replace my 980x for a Xeon 5675 capable of lower voltages at this speed.

[@ivanibrahim4597]

@@MegaGasek yeah i knew that the older gigabyte motherboards is really good, the newer one that i got just not reliable enough and the after sales service is not that great here where i come from

[@thepurplecat5975]

I HAVE A GIGABYTE AORUS X470 GAMING 7 WIFI! IT IS FUCKING POO! Trust me it is NOT good for overclocking either the CPU or the RAM! Smart Fan 5 is terrible too and I am having issues with the board retaining my profiles even though I am on current BIOS version (F5) and also updated Chipset drivers to most current (18-10). This board is fucking crap and I wish I had went with MSI instead. My rig is 2700X and find my benchmarks here: www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/12344840

[@asafbinderman594]

Your claim its not good for overclocking is based on what exactly ?

[@mcl40000]

but in my rallye car i can do burnouts on the parking lot of my supermall...

[@thorstensteffen3640]

The video is structured really nice

[@akshathk.]

Last

[@martin4723]

thank you buildzoid - that was exactly what i needed!

[@chasecrappel9480]

Making me feel much better about my AsRock Taichi purchase.

[@techforge-Nate]

The CH7 has a use case over the Gaming 7 if you want the features like BIOS flashback and the inbuilt Stilt's Memory timing profiles, not to mention personal preferences on the Aura lighting ecosystem. For anyone who doesn't want to spend all month rigging their memory subtimings the Stilt's profiles are worth the money alone on time saved. For those of us who aren't high end memory overclockers that is.

[@NoLuv4Hoz]

The Ryzen platform shines for its amazing value proposition. Running stock or with a mild overclock using the included cooler or a cheap aftermarket cooler preserves that value vs. performance equation. However, once you embark on the kind of overclocking which mandates >$150 mobo's plus >$70 for cooling, just to get that last 200-300 MHz, the savings from going AMD are literally combusted, with the byproducts being extra heat and power consumption.

[@XxXDominusXxX]

A 40$ windale 6 would perform good.

[@NokorUK]

Cheers for this video/topic. I'm planning on getting the B450M Mortar for a new build i'm doing, so brilliant to see it's the best choice.

[@navdeepsengh]

Wow! I was waiting for this.

[@Cryptonite26]

The X470 Taichi also has built in Wifi & is almost the only one with 8 Sata connectors which is somewhat of a dealmaker for me since I already have 6x 2 TB hdds an optical drive and an external 2.5 inch drive connector to allocate these ports to which non of the other boards would have been able to handle out of the box.

[@georgeindestructible]

Yeeiihh Buildzoid is here again!!

[@PyromancerRift]

I have the x 470-f strix and it's amazing. 6 phases of 60 amp with good thermals, solid memory support and the asus bios. I have a ryzen 7 1700 and 16 gigs of hynix 3200mhz memory from Gskill. On x370 midrange from gigabyte i was stuck at 3.9ghz and 2933mhz without being fully stable and the vrm were cooking at 120C. Now, i am fully stable at 4ghz and 3200mhz with 70c vrm (1.42v). The cool thing is i bought a monoblock for the card and now the vrm never exceed 55C.

[@ImaITman]

It's so funny hearing you talk about "niche" overclocking and the downsides. In my head I'm like when I was several years younger the only overclocking you could do had all those risks and you had to know your stuff so you didn't fry everything.

[@granthampson5917]

Really excellent summary and comparison highlighting important things to know between motherboards. Thanks #Buildzoid

[@bluephreakr]

Vivaldi users *represent!* Good on you for using the superior choice, Buildzoid.

[@Jinbutsu]

I really appreciate the detail!! Thank you so much. This video is very informative and will help me make a solid practical purchase of my next AMD MB build!

[@sadlerbw9]

I actually bought the gigabyte b450 miniITX board recently to run a 2200g, and I can add a few comments on it. First, there doesn’t seem to be a VRM temp sensor, or at least not one HWInfo can see. However, my crappy non-contact ir temp gun seems to indicate the VRM is staying plenty cool. Second, I haven’t finished overclocking, but so far the SoC VRM has been totally fine for maxing out the Vega side of the chip. The CPU side is actually the far bigger driver of power draw and heat generation, at least in stress testing. Last, the Voltage the board reports in software is way lower than what my multimeter shows when I probe the big SMD output caps of the VRM. Unless I’m doing it wrong and need to check the voltage somewhere else, my voltage readings lead my to set the SoC LLC to low and the Vcore LLC to low or medium. The voltage readings HWInfo showed would have led me to push the LLC settings much higher.

[@storm-sf5rj]

Great Video i was considering getting the Taichi Ultimate for my 2700X but i was not sure But after watching this i am Now, thank you Buildzoid you Saved me Wasting my money on a Hero VII

[@SciePhi]

dude thank you, i've been waiting for this.