Best Mouse Switches To Use When You Replace | Kailh GM 8.0 Vs 4.0 Red, GM2.0 Teal etc

[@Beardedbob]

Check out the Rocket Jump Ninja MZ1 Mouse kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIW9nXeNitSMlbM

[@Talynen]

Hey Bob, sorry for the late reply to your comment. Regarding your request for suggestions on measuring switch force -- I also use a kitchen scale, but I hold a screwdriver by the tip off to the side, and push on the plunger with the handle. If that's confusing I can upload a video or picture to show what I mean. I can get consistent readings (+/-1g on switch actuation) doing that. I'm sure by this point you have a better tool but I thought I would mention it in case it's helpful!

[@notanaz5976]

Hi there , is OMRON D2FC-F-K(50m) D2FC-F-K better option or 2x Kailh GM 8.0 Transparent 80m ??

[@holopengin]

You can't measure the latency of a switch like that (especially without some sort of external hardware to press the switch). That latency measurement in fortnite is telling the latency between your mouse input reading (which measures at the USB polling rate, AFTER your mouse already reads the switch as closed in its firmware) and the in-game loop, and is likely to vary with your FPS and/or OS stuff. Your mouse switch has literally zero influence on this measured latency.

[@kirya312]

Yeaah, exactly, there is no way any program can measure the latency between when the guy clicked the mouse button and when the click registered. But I got what I wanted from this video: they are mostly the same, no need to sweat about it too much.

[@kirya312]

And can you even measure switch latency at all without using external hardware? If you don't have an exact timing for when the switch was pressed, you can't calculate the latency.

[@dullrazor442]

Great vid! I think one thing that was omitted was the “feel” of the switch though- the rebound force of the switch can make them feel different despite similar readings. I find the reds to snap back with a bit more force which I find unpleasant, and I don’t feel that with the 8.0. The 8.0 feels a bit softer and I prefer them for it.

[@Beardedbob]

True, hard to show but I do like the 8.0 or 4.0, these would be my pick. between then I can't honestly decide. I had hoping something from these tests would have decided for me between them it it hasn't, they both seem perfecto.

[@3ildcard]

​@@Beardedbob What do you think of the TTC Dustproof in comparison to the Kailhs? I really love the snappy and tactile feedback on the Haste. Not the biggest fan of Kailh 4.0 in my GPW , sure they're tactile but obnoxiously heavy in comparison to stock GPW.

[@gzitterspiller]

@@Beardedbob The gm8 are more durable, BOOM there I decided for you.

[@BlizzardWind99]

@@gzitterspiller 80M? TTC has 80M too

[@xiki1506]

​@@BlizzardWind99 how sound?

[@turbobitbox]

My years of experience with microswitches allow me to say the following - the multimillion-dollar life stated by the manufacturers is marketing. This life can be achieved only under ideal conditions, when the micro switch is pressed by a special robot with a certain force at an angle of 90 degrees. In a gaming mouse these conditions are unrealistic. The mouse body always has different pressing angles, each person presses the micro switch differently, with different effort. According to my personal subjective feelings, 60-70 per cent of clicks and its perception depends on the mouse body. Therefore, it is necessary to choose micro-switches individually for each mouse and for each concrete element (main buttons, side buttons, the button under the wheel). It is impossible to advise one model for all mice at once. Some of them might fit, and the rest - not. If you are going to do an audio comparison with other micro-switches - you should always do it on one mouse, because the internal acoustic enclosure of every other mouse will be different. Using microswitch force measurement through the mouse housing is wrong. Every mouse has a different design. Different housing, different button sizes, different pressure angles, and different micro-switch settings on the mouse board. There are dozens of little things like that. Each of them can make its own impact on the perception of the click. As for the micro switch jam - it depends more on the mouse motherboard settings, firmware, and chatter filter than on the micro switches themselves. A few important principles when selecting micro switches: If you want to find the perfect micro-switch for you buy several models and try them on your mouse. The ones you like are worth soldering. My opinion - it's better to choose micro-switches only by the physical feel and sound. Take what you like, based on the service life of 10 million or more clicks.

[@ПетрПетров-и8ж6х]

Вот именно )).

[@foobarables]

It's all about the current being switches by the switches. Many mouse manufacturers operate the switches with something like 3...50µA. If you take a look at the Omron data sheet, you will see that some switches need around 1...5mA to operate reliable and to reach the manufacturers stated switch cycles. The 1...5mA is required to keep the contacts clean. It's not Omron who's at fault. It's mouse manufacturers not understanding data sheets and not understanding how switches operate. A lot of mouses can be repaired by increasing the current trough the switches.

[@penguinkraftz3329]

@@foobarables what should I do, I used up my Omron 20mill clicks in 11 months, I bought kailh 8.0s is it possible to fix my omrons?

[@AD-nq2nz]

@@penguinkraftz3329 If you liked the Omrons, just buy some new ones off Aliexpress.

[@kevin-sj3wt]

i ve got usual logitech maybe with omron for 3 years, and i buy new wireless with kailh 8.0 black and its double click in 2 month, praise the logitech god

[@TDHobbies]

You helped me decide to keep my mouse instead of buying another one. amazing amount of data there.

[@racouline719]

It's just a matter of taste, I have tested dozen of switches, my preference is Kailh GM2.0 because of a compromise between feeling and noise. My second favorite is Omron D2FC-F-7N(10M). This one is more clicky and a little louder.

[@ergohack]

5:11 Not sure if you actually just took an average of your decibel readings or just glossed over this bit, but I thought I'd point out that you shouldn't take an average with a logarithmic scale like that. Decibels represent actual acoustic power as exponents of 10, multiplied by 10. To get a proper average reading in decibels, you need to take each reading, divide it by 10, raise 10 to that number, then do your average, take the logarithm base 10 of that average, and then finally multiply the result by 10.

[@EnnTomi1]

life span is probably the least thing i care about since i am able to swap them out myself. the next trend is gonna be swappable switch on top of all the current trend(lightweight, wireless)

[@Beardedbob]

I hope they make them swappable as default but its not as easy as it sounds.

[@EnnTomi1]

@@Beardedbob agree, if you look at the asus mice (the swappable one), i think that is a good solution, basically they designed the shell a bit higher, so there is room for a "base" to be sit on to the PCB, so that the switch can just simply get dropped into it. and that "seat" should be way cheaper to be soldered on than all the millmax pin stuff.

[@AdemPCGaming]

Asus ROG Chakram has swappable switches, it has no screws, and it also comes with 2 extra switches.

[@Omi_Kasigi]

Thank you for this review. My Logitech G304's switches just gave out after roughly 3 years of use. I didn't just want to throw it out and get a new one so I decided to change the switches myslef. I was about to get the TT Gold switches when KZbin recommended your video. I'm now dead set on ordering the GM4.0 Red switches. They should be arriving in the mail in the next few days.

[@mohamadmoj8505]

hi can you tell they get double click or not tnx❤

[@thunderresistant]

Bobby Bob.. I'm glad your channel has grown significantly since the last time i was checking it ;) Keep it up, this is pretty unique stuff you do! Kudos mate 👍🏻

[@Beardedbob]

Hey dude, thanks man glad to see you are still around enjoying it 👌

[@zzxd7720]

Upgraded my double clicking G604 with the Gm 8.0. Feels good bro.

[@Beardedbob]

mmmmm so nice to click :-)

[@mohamadmoj8505]

can you tell they get double click or not tnx❤

[@zzxd7720]

@@mohamadmoj8505 switches are still working.

[@caldi9]

I was just scrolling through Insta when I saw a post about these switches lol (from you)

[@Beardedbob]

Spooky as it was just released:-).

[@s5pph]

same haha, was waiting for this to come out

[@Beardedbob]

😍 hope it answers your questions.

[@herrpez]

Using a scale works "fine" as long as you isolate the switch. It's not a precision measuring device in this context, but it certainly gets the job done. It's what I used in lieu of better tools early on. It's just cumbersome to get the setup right, but I was able to measure 0.2n switches easily, and accurately enough for my needs. The problem you were facing was one of inconsistency in applying pressure. That being said, I definitely don't *recommend* using a scale, even with a good setup.

[@Caution40404]

Would be really great if you could test all HUANO switch types, they have plenty. Keep up the good work!

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks, will do.

[@lehmatulis]

Finally upgraded my mouse switches to Kailh GM 8.0, the clicking sound is so smooth, I'm happy with the results.

[@mohamadmoj8505]

can you tell they get double click or not tnx❤

[@lehmatulis]

@@mohamadmoj8505 Still working good as new, no double clicks or any other type of problem for me.

[@Deathcultify]

Finally found what kailh switch I bought online. I checked out in a hurry when buying theses switches (black dot). Didn't care at that time since I just needed a replacement for my old g304 logitech. I actually like the "feel" but I knew it wasn't a gm 8.0 since it wasn't transparent black.

[@maidpretty]

Thank you for this test. My mouse switches started failing, so I ordered new ones and just finished soldering them (which was a new experience for me). Went with Kailh GM8.0 and I like how they feel and sound more than original Omron D2FCs. Between transparent (8.0) and reds (4.0) I like 8.0s force curve both up and down more. Reds are a bit jumpy on way up for me, but if you like how Omrons feel and sound, you go with reds, they are just fine. Also, when you measure latency - you measure mostly how a combination of a switch and debounce logic of mouse controller work together. In order to measure the switch - you need an oscilloscope to check how long physical bouncing lasts when you press the switch.

[@LukeZaluski]

Dream machine DM7 is a true "monster" among gaming mice. Its swith switches produce loud and rich sounds that create the effect of being in the game. This gives you great pleasure and helps you immerse yourself in the world of the game.

[@Rayan---il5pf]

Can I use Kailh gm 8.0 switch on Logitech g402?

[@soulshinobi]

No sense in measuring the height of the body, they are in fact the same and you're only seeing a difference in manufacturing tolerance, which actually looks like a pretty low variation of 0.04mm. When I worked as a machinist getting something within 0.03mm is considered "extremely" precise. Of course that's relative to the scale you're working at, these are small parts; but they're only plastic, so I'm certain they're all designed to the exact same spec after seeing those numbers.

[@Beardedbob]

Omron Japan are taller but most are the same. 👍

[@stroobledoodle]

Awesome video! Since my GPW has started double-clicking on both the side buttons and left click, I've been very frustrated. I was trying to decide between the 4.0 and the 8.0, and for durability reasons I'd probably stick to the 8.0 switches. Looking forward, hopefully soon, to upgrade my mouse through your shop.

[@Beardedbob]

Let us know how you get on....

[@pr1sm55]

I had an updated (newer GPW) and still got the Omron's which get the double click issue. D2FC-F-K to be precise. WTF.

[@brisou394gaming]

@@pr1sm55 D2FC as China but D2F as Japan

[@whereswaldo9089]

This is some great stuff here 👍 hope to see more in the future :)

[@Beardedbob]

Certainly will, I've lots of ideas just not time haha.

[@chungushimself3712]

Love this stuff man i'm just getting into this and ordered some reds to throw in my Model D. Looking forward to many more videos and many more combos to try for myself!!

[@lazyox]

Why do you measure latency of a switch ? How can i simple on and off switch can affect the overall latency? The switch is a physical component not a digital.

[@hurivfx]

Hello bro hope you are doing fine. Can you tell me which switches should i buy for Logitech G502 Hero SE. Thank you ❤️

[@Beardedbob]

Personal preference bother, if it was me I like Kailh reds 4.0.... check out the huano video also kzbin.info/www/bejne/q32ao6t5gt59rck

[@hurivfx]

@@Beardedbob Thankyou so much brother ❤️

[@Beardedbob]

Glad I could help and let me know what you decide on.

[@Onnie]

So is the omron dsf 01f lighter than kalih 4.0 reds

[@Beardedbob]

Yep

[@dann5480]

Hi, I have a Cooler Master MM711, which switch would you recommend for it? My preference is that I like tactile switches. Thanks for the video, it really helped.

[@adamb5142]

Hey, saw this on your Instagram. Much appreciated

[@Beardedbob]

Awesome, good to see you here also 😍

[@OMGITSATORNADO]

You deserve more views boss man

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks man spread the word 👍

[@AntonChe]

Big thanks! Tomorrow I'm gonna replace my Logitech G700s switches to Kailh GM8.0 and will see how it works there :) Thanks for advice!

[@Beardedbob]

Np, Let us know how you get on

[@AntonChe]

@@Beardedbob Hi there! Everything is cool, GM8.0 suites G700s perfect. At the beginning there was a feeling that they are rather hard to click playing CSGO, but after 2 days they sound great... Thanks for the advice once again! 🙌👍

[@mohamadmoj8505]

can you tell they get double click or not tnx❤

[@AntonChe]

@@mohamadmoj8505 no issues so far, my friend - everything is cool!

[@rayniac211]

So compatibility-wise they all fit the same?

[@DilavarHuseynzade]

Thank you for the great video! Since my Razer Basiliks Hyperix doubleclicking I decided to change switch rather than buying some new mouse. After your videos I have decided for Kalih G.M 8.0. I ordered them and will do the swap by myself. Hopefully it will be fine. Thanks again for your videos!

[@mohamadmoj8505]

can you tell they get double click or not tnx❤

[@DilavarHuseynzade]

@@mohamadmoj8505hi, no I dont have any doubleclick. I have purchased around 3 pair of 8.0 switches because I was thinking that those 8.0’s will have clicking issues too after some time. But it has been more than 2.5 years and I still have first pair in my mouse. No problems whatsoever. I bought my switches from aliexpress btw.

[@sheikhtashdeedahmed2740]

Does harder press mean longer life span and better contact point between inside the switch????

[@Beardedbob]

Not always

[@ice.3000]

thanks for this ! gonna go for the 4.0 red

[@mohamadmoj8505]

can you tell they get double click or not tnx❤

[@bigpoppa1234]

I've seen reports on reddit & twitter that the Black 8's also have doubleclick issues. For that reason alone I'd go with the Red 4 switch which no-one seems to report double clicking.

[@Beardedbob]

Interesting, I'll have to investigate

[@mohamadmoj8505]

hey do you get gm4 ?! can you tell they get double click or not tnx❤

[@mentholdeathray]

Just put 8.0s in my model o - and I really like them compared to the stock omies. Feel a lot snappier and like ive lost alot of pretravel.

[@Beardedbob]

Nice pick... glad to her you like the upgrade.

[@tigorski]

Dou you prefer ttc gold 80m or kailh gm 8.0 for puc ergo?

[@kryton3047]

Great video! Made me think to try repair my Deathadder elite, I ddn't use it due to click problem in LMB. Quick question, which mouse switch feels like the deathadder elite? I liked the smooth feel when clicking and I click faster with those. Also the fastest? thank you in advance.

[@Beardedbob]

kailh 8

[@andronico3039]

@@Beardedbob thank you, will try those switch.

[@andersonhenrrique5299]

In your experience, which switch is more durable, I would like to know about the most durable encoder and side micro switches as well.

[@Beardedbob]

I've only generally seen Omron's fail. Encoders i've not come across one that has failed.

[@SalahHesham]

Very helpful video, and very thoughrly comparison, thank you

[@FrLe7]

Did you test actuation force on only 1 switch. The teal is supposed to be much lower than the red, I'm surprised it was harder to press in these tests.

[@Beardedbob]

Yep just one. I could look at doing more from each but this will take some time. if people want to see this data I might look into it at this level. This is what they have for the datasheet so they are all pretty close in theory GM 8.0 - Operating force: 65±10gf ---- Releasing Force: 25gf Min GM 4.0 - Operating Force: 65±15gf ---- Releasing Force: 25gf Min GM 2.0 - Operating Force: 65±15gf ---- Releasing Force: 20gf Min

[@FrLe7]

@@Beardedbob Would be very useful data if you could test multiple iterations of the same switch and then average out the actuation force. There seem to be large differences in tolerance when it comes to actuation force of most of the Kailh switches. Some show the red having 80gf while the teal is around 60gf.

[@Beardedbob]

Yeah I would like to test the QA will have to see if I can get the time but I don't see it atm. Maybe in the future I can sample 10 switches of the same model.

[@مباركبنكعببنسعدالتميمي]

So please Black dot is the fastest switches?

[@phylosophdotcom]

Awesome review, thank you!

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks Vasil Nikolaenko glad you liked it 👍

[@mohamadmoj8505]

Can you guys help me❤🙏🏻 My problem is just double-clicking and I have a problem choosing between kailh 8 and 4 and huano blue shell ping dot. I don't care about anything else and because I play a shooter game, this is the only thing that matters to me cus of ads jumping

[@BigToro]

my g502 broke so i got gm8.0's to replace the stock switches, mostly for the long lifespan, they are so nice

[@KunalVaidya]

very useful video of comparison, I have a few mouse which have developed double click issue now (Logitech G90, anywhere mx 2) and I replaced on with omron but that also got the issue after a year of use. wanted to upgrade to kailh and this video is a good one. I think I will also go with red or transparent now. next step would be try to find it in my country

[@Beardedbob]

Good pick..... Aliexpress or I can ship you some from my shop shop.beardedbob.com/

[@KunalVaidya]

@@Beardedbob You have a very nice shop. I also have arctic AIO and Audio-technika headphone similar to you. something common between us. unfortunately our govt has banned purchases from aliexpress so that aspect is not available anymore. and Shipping to India will be very expensive from UK :(

[@KunalVaidya]

@@Beardedbob also, which are the better mice models according to you that have long life switches ? its such a shame that most ppl throw away costly mouse with working electronics and connectivity only because of switch failure

[@christianwijaya5731]

Nice, that very helps to decide what switch suit the best... btw, what is the game in the video?

[@Beardedbob]

Np christian wijaya glad I could help 👍 . its Cod Cold War

[@christianwijaya5731]

@@Beardedbob Thanks for the info

[@Febrezerr]

I was trying to decide which switches to buy. I chose the red ones. Hopefully I didn’t make a bad mistake

[@oldi184]

0:26 to be honest I have never seen someone holding mouse in such a way. Palm is bent to the right side. It's really weird, I tried it and is very uncomfortable. Both palm and forearm should make a straight line.

[@Beardedbob]

All about what works for you :-p. I look to use some arm but wrist also for finer adjustments. I put it down to using smaller mouse pads once they were released and high sens back in the day. Due to the small surface areas you used all wrist. Times have changed so now the arm is more involved since we have gigantic mouse pads so I look to have developed a hybrid style. I started to use a mouse in 1987 when the Amiga was released, thats how old I am and how much experience I have with mice

[@majmunbezgaca5220]

could you please recommend me some light switches, i play MOBA games and i need to click a lot i have XM1 and the mouse is awesome, clicks are very good but i could use a lighter switch... also some website to get it from for europe market?

[@Beardedbob]

My personal face is Kailh GM4.0 you can also check out some Huano kzbin.info/www/bejne/q32ao6t5gt59rck its a personal preference

[@forbidden008]

can you please advise better on gpx superlight to put encoder ttc gold or kailh alps? To make the wheel quieter and not have such tactile cutoffs as on a standard encoder

[@shinefake48]

can these switches be used for viper ultimate? I have two viper ultimate and one of them the right click is dead, so I want to see if I can replace that one

[@Beardedbob]

Not out of the packet. you need to mode the viper to use normal switches and not opto mechanical

[@c.cullum5526]

The Khail 2.0 is rated 60gf with a +/- of 10. Red 4's are rated at 65 with a +/- of 15, and 8.0's are 65 with a +/- of 10. Your specs for 2.0 teals are all off.

[@MrHb5220]

How much heat do you usually use when desoldering/soldering switches?

[@Beardedbob]

Depends on the pcb, somewhere between 350 to 400c

[@DaekTwentri]

This may be late, I solder for FPV drones quite often. I found that for smaller contacts like mice 380C is my go to while for larger contact like GND pads, 400C is preferred

[@chungushimself3712]

Hey also man i was lookng to no avail online to try and fine like a general list that has popular gaming mice and compatible switches as swappable options. Do you happen to know of a list?

[@Bollalillo]

wouldn't you say DB, and feel could be different from mouse to mouse? Kailh 8s on Zy's rail feels crisper than on my other mice. So shell and button design means alot

[@Beardedbob]

Yes 100%... I use a ROG to keep it consistent... Even omron 20m can feel crisp in a mouse if its a good shell/plunger setup.... The MZ1 with the Kailh 8 has a very nice button setup RJN did a nice job on this.

[@CrazyBRT]

which one should I get to replace Omron switches on G502 HERO? to feel and sound somewhat same. 80m click is good on 8.0 tho... nice vid! thanks for recording.

[@foobarables]

All those failing mouse switches are caused by mouse manufacturers saving 1 cent on resistors. Al those switches require something like 1...5mA to switch properly. Steelseries, Logitech, Corsair,... and many others switch around 3...50µA. No wonder the switches start to act erratic. The switches will work when new. But after a short time they will all fail. You can replace the switches but you need to increase the current in the switches in order to reach the manufacturers performance and life time.

[@Beardedbob]

Sure is... I guess scaled up it saves them a lot but is it worth the bad rep.

[@jaimecastilloparedes8098]

Best switch for x pro superlight. ??

[@CasperNomNom]

Would it be possible to put any switch into the MoW? Destroyed my left click and used your disassemble video to get it down. Ordered the regular switch and should be soon. Is there any upgrade to the D2FC 7n or no?

[@Beardedbob]

yes with the exception of the new Razer opto mechanical switch which isn't compatible

[@zyangku90]

hey bob would u recommend 4.0 or 8.0 to me if i really like the stock huano switches on zowie mice? thanks in advance

[@Beardedbob]

Gm4.0 are my fav.

[@Thomas-fk6ep]

Great video! Keep up the super insightful work. TY

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks man, will do 👍

[@SaifAliShugan]

Is it worth upgrading my g102 with kailh 4.0 , tiger ice skates and a Paracord? I can buy a new mouse but feels like upgrading is more fun

[@Beardedbob]

100% It will make it a much better mouse.

[@ziicutie]

ok so I was worried about purchasing the 8.0 and not having a good lifespan and apparently they have the longest lifespan out of the others so I must have made the right choice. I needed to replace the buttons in my mouse because they were acting up and they were the silent kind I guess that you cannot tear apart and clean. Thanks for helping me verify my choice I made

[@Beardedbob]

I wouldn’t be concerned the kailh 8 is a solid switch

[@michaelkalashnikov]

Black dot ones sounds way quieter than red and black 4.0 and 8.0

[@Fliim]

I have some pretty bad pre travel with the 4.0 reds on the g305. I’m sure I’ll get used to it but it’s rough. Edit 1: I looked up some of your other videos. Obviously I’m new to modding mice. I resolved the issue by bending the paddles down. I guess I bent them up when removing them. Something I would have never thought of without your vids. Thanks!

[@shadow60210]

I'm using a g602 and have switched out the original switches with the Japanese Omrons. Unfortunately two months in and the double clicking has returned. I'm gonna try the GM 8.0's and hope for the best.

[@Beardedbob]

double click with an omron Japan 😱 thats not good.

[@RamonScott777]

how are the kailh 8.0s?

[@actualvein9116]

Hello, I am not satisfied with the click feeling of the G305 mouse in my hand and I decided to change the switches, but I am not very knowledgeable about switches, the feature I expect from the switch is low latency and hard clicking sensation what switch would you recommend to buy huano blue shield blue dot or kailh gm 8.0 rr do you have a different suggestion?

[@Beardedbob]

I would go with Huano White dot, Kailh 8.0 or 4.0

[@shriramg.5086]

Hello Bob can you please tell me what made you prefer the 4.0 over the 8.0 as both are looking very similar except for the lifespan of clicks, which is more in 8.0. thanks

[@Beardedbob]

Firmer click

[@shriramg.5086]

@@Beardedbob thank you

[@jonathanleonard9507]

currently on the deathadder v2 pro, wanna find and upgrade or try something new for wireless with a similar mouse shape to the deathadder v2 pro. Any recommendations? Been a fan of tactile keyboard switches, are there the same for mouse?

[@Beardedbob]

Pwnage Ultra custom, Steelseries prime wireless.

[@Tk12038]

What would you compare razer viper mini switches in terms of light to heavy to the other switches

[@Beardedbob]

Mmmmm haven’t thought but something without a nice click

[@Bucketttttt]

What is the lightest switch kailh 2.0 4.0 red or 8.0

[@Beardedbob]

shows on the comparison chart in the video

[@corelabx821]

Kailh GM 8.0 switches vs Razer Optical switches???

[@Beardedbob]

Kailh 4

[@UsernameInvalid48]

I just wanna make sure I don't get the dreaded G502 double click anymore. Are these reliable?

[@Beardedbob]

Yep these i've not heard of getting double click issues

[@yubinator7455]

is the Kailh white dot switches are the switches use in G102's Side buttons and DPI button?

[@Beardedbob]

my main is the Kailh red 4.0

[@spinnt]

good video :)

[@FearlessP4P1]

Another great vid bob 👍

[@Beardedbob]

Thank's FearlessP4P1 I appreciated the support

[@darkaheart]

does anyone know a decent set of silent mouse switches? or quieter than this? i was thinking of purchasing a cheap mouse with quiet switches and removing those. what do y'all think?

[@ctrlaltdebug]

You could always modify them. I popped open my factory switch to fix double clicking by bending the copper spring - it's easier than soldering. As a result I inadvertently reduced both the click force and made the switch much quieter.

[@ChrisM243]

Do any of these switches feel and sound (loudness wise) similar to the poor quality Omron switches Logitech use in their G502? I need a replacement there.

[@Beardedbob]

Kailh 8 is the closest

[@nonenothing4412]

I have double clicks on my g203. Will it be fixed if i change the switches?

[@Beardedbob]

Yes, the Omrons will be failing, its a common problem with them :-)

[@nonenothing4412]

@@Beardedbob thank you Bob!!! Good luck brother

[@Beardedbob]

👍

[@felippepires]

Does this video have a text version? My native language is not english, i can even read and write in english but i have difficulty understanding someone speaking and there is no way i can speak someone understand when i speak english lol

[@Beardedbob]

No sorry

[@felippepires]

@@Beardedbob Ok, thank you for reply

[@WSS_the_OG]

Great video. Sorry to nitpick, I'm not sure why you pronounce "kuhlee" when it's pronounced "kale." It's in the spelling. :)

[@CanaleYouTubeGeneralista]

Hi, are there any wireless mice with Kailh 4.0 or 8.0 switches as standard ? already integrated in the mouse by the manufacturer.

[@Beardedbob]

M800 3335 sensor has Kailh 4.0 as stock... Teardown I did here shows it www.twitch.tv/videos/1123919128

[@CanaleYouTubeGeneralista]

@@Beardedbob I thank you

[@ariathyf144]

Even on the same serial number not all switches are made equal, that's what I learned from my switch swap mods. The 4.0 feel harder to press compared to the 8.0 but you can only tell this when they are on the board and in-game.

[@Beardedbob]

Sure are... Each mouse is different. Each switch has some tolerance differences. The button on the mouse and how they are setup makes a difference to another different shape mouse.

[@georgepierre3594]

the 4.0s on my asus tuf mouse are easy to press as omrons, i think it depends on the shell or if their binned or not.

[@jonathanhagerty7174]

I have GM4.0 Reds in my mouse, is there any point to upgrading to the GM8.0?

[@Beardedbob]

only if you want a lighter click

[@diamante8082]

Hi, i dont understand english what switch is the best fort fps ?? Fortnite for example

[@Beardedbob]

fastest latency is Kailh 2.0

[@diamante8082]

Is the more fast reactivity ??

[@filipbedri1868]

Is it worth to change model O's omrons to kailh 8.0? I'm thinking about this upgrade, since I've had mice with omron switches start to double click rather quickly.

[@Beardedbob]

The Omrons in the Model do feel decent due to the button design but they are known to fail with the dreaded double click issue. check the debounce setting in the software as the lower u go the more you can run into double click issues. If that doesn't fix it then replacing the switch is the only option or RMA.

[@filipbedri1868]

@@Beardedbob Thanks for the answer, so far I have to set my debounce time to 12ms or else it double clicks, I don't really want to rma it. So I feel like the best bet is to change the switches.

[@Beardedbob]

I would change the switches then 👍

[@dagulski21]

RAZER VIPER MINI ULTIMATE ? ? ? !

[@Beardedbob]

Yep, its a RVM mixed with a G305. Video will be out tomorrow on how to do this. I did a live stream showing this mod but the edited version will be out which isn't the 4 hours the stream was :-).

[@stefanolibero8975]

we have the exact same mouse grip, the side claw/fingertip!

[@Beardedbob]

finally someone as weird as my grip :-p.... I feel we take the best from all grip styles and make it our own.

[@TheKillerZmile]

i dont know which one should i get Kailh 4.0 or 8.0

[@nerdynumen]

Is The Japanese Omron faster than the Kailh 8.0s?

[@Beardedbob]

I've not tested it to confirm but I will

[@mikheim4040]

What do you recommend bro? 4.0 or 8.0? thank you!

[@Beardedbob]

I prefer 4.0

[@asahchristianadora9068]

Maybe you can do a mod for a hotswappable switch g pro wireless?

[@Beardedbob]

Something i've been thinking about doing.. do you think it would be worth doing?

[@asahchristianadora9068]

@@Beardedbob that would be great specially for dudes who would like to try different switches. or for those person who use their mouse like there is no tomorrow ending up having double click issue .

[@EmilBBechGrip]

What equipment do you use for soldering?

[@Beardedbob]

All my tools can be found here shop.beardedbob.com/collections/tools

[@EmilBBechGrip]

@@Beardedbob Cheers, keep up the great work. I think a lot of people appreciate the attention to detail you have.

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks, I've always had the opinion you can never have enough information/data and what you aren't interested in you can discard. What you can do is get data that people haven't created/captured. Glad you enjoy the content / detail

[@dxevin3612]

thanks for doing all this work :) Do you know if the roccat kone pro air's titan optical switches are interchangeable with kailh gm switches? I want to do a swap but cant find info on if its swappable

[@Beardedbob]

this teardown on twitch should help www.twitch.tv/videos/1098519838

[@zat-svi-ua]

about reducing pretravel, how exactly do you do it?

[@Beardedbob]

down to the button , you can pad out the plunger... I'm planning to do a video to help people with this.

[@zat-svi-ua]

@@Beardedbob thank you for answering. like the plunger on the mouse buttons or on the switch itself? edit: figured it out, took a piece of band-aid and stuck it inside the mouse button thing where it meets the plastic on the case when stopping. ZERO pre-travel now.

[@hatdog703]

Thanks for these❤️👌

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks Gabriel P glad you liked it 👍

[@lerdd5239]

D2f f-3-7?

[@joe-bw6wy]

Hey! What switches do you recommend for the G305?

[@Beardedbob]

Kailh 4.0 is my fav

[@joe-bw6wy]

@@Beardedbob Would 2.0s, huanos or kailh silents work fine too?

[@xelerator2398]

GM 2.0 70-80 fine as wine

[@focus0000000]

loved the video, pls make one about pretravel fix with the tape!

[@Beardedbob]

its on the radar but I'll look to bring it forward. What mouse should I do it on?

[@focus0000000]

​@@Beardedbob i have it on a hati s universe edition with kailh 8.0s (right button), but it probably doesnt matter what mouse you decide to show it on

[@b4n4n0]

@@Beardedbob Deathadder v2 or any Zowie sure! Please make this video! Also, thoughts on taping between the switch AND the PCB (before soldering the switch) instead of taping the button?