BEST N54 TWIN TURBOS? DAW FLOW MAX FIRST LOOK!

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[@ALEX.THE.RUSSIAN]

Thank you guys for mentioning me!! Haha very cool video ! Hopefully you'll love them like I love mine! They're great

[@ThatGuyTez]

Yes I just installed my flow max+ on my car as well and I have port and a 450 lpfp. I should be getting it re-tuned for these soon and turn the boost up 🙇🏾

[@georgecarr5449]

Can’t wait to see them on! Look that them as well!

[@DefaultLoginDetaiIs]

Really interested in seeing the inlet and outlet setup for these turbos.

[@ThatGuyTez]

The manifolds on the turbos are ported as well and bigger on the exhaust side 😁

[@ahw5hcgfyj]

Alex was putting down so much power without an LSD this whole time, crazy

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

He has amazing weight reduction. But gosh damn, it’s a rocket. And no port injection. So much more to go with his car.

[@damonwillingham2174]

Flow max is awesome! Wanted to upgrade from my DAW 19t to these. Waiting to see some dyno numbers

[@TCGTV98]

Lol. I got 17Ts. I am from WA. Got my 335i on Dyno. The only difference between is that I run only Ron 98. Had dyno yesterday, I was pushing 442whp and 680 nm torque at the wheels. Just got my custom tune by Ken and torque just hitted 750Nm.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

450whp on pump fuel is pretty good going man! The 17ts are capable of well over 600whp when you push them, incredible considering what they cost.

[@Nico_335i_DCT]

Very nice quality, guys. Very curious how these will do on a ZeroTo60 car. Dutch regards, Nico.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

They will do fast, that’s what they will do hehe

[@SRFishing805]

You and Alex are my absolute favorite in the N54 world. Great work from the both of you! If only you weren’t literally across the world from each other, that’d be a cool colab!

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Alex and us have the 2 fastest N54 setups on youtube for what they are hehe. There is a reason Alex is one of the few other N54 youtubers i watch. I get a bit disheartened with all the guys on youtube who make videos and give "advice" then have slow cars.... Top tip, if they ain't got dragy numbers to back up their build, they probably dont know what they are doing.... that can be said for a lot of shops and professional mechanics too mind you.

[@AbC-jx4tn]

Great turbos 💪🏾

[@andrebassila3602]

If u are impressed with these DAW turbos, u haven't seen the Hydra Performance HP800 turbos. By far the best turbos out there for any N54 platform and super reliable and durable. Even the shrouds/housings are much larger than the DAW "Stock" shrouds. HP800's are rated for over 800whp. My car makes around 620whp on them and still have much ways to go which they can easily make and handle.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Haven’t seen much in the hydras. What is your 100-200 60-130 times?

[@andrebassila3602]

@@ZeroTo60Tube Last i did some pulls was quite a while back, with typical traction issues. I managed a clean pull with 5.8 100-200. I should be re-running some new times now i'm adding a methanol kit and should be able to add boost... Where i live i only have access to 98oct pump gas. No E85, nothing...

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Dude thats rapid for a pump/meth tune. You have my attention. What chassis are you running them in? Much weight reduction?

[@andrebassila3602]

@@ZeroTo60Tube 135i and running a complete E92 M3 rear subframe, and complete front M3 arms and steering rack... Them hydras are amazing! Looking to increase boost soon and run new times! I really love ur builds.. This channel is by far one of my favs! Thank you for the amazing content! The creator of the hydra turbos is a good buddy of mine, and has already sold a lot of them all over the globe with amazing reviews from everyone that has them on their car... He is also a professional custom tuner... I hope the DAWs do what u are looking for. A bit interested to see what they will do on a full weight car.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@andrebassila3602 Ohhh man 135i with a good suspension setup. Thats not fair, try not to go too fast, you're gonna be hard to keep up with haha. I really havent heard or seen much about the hydras from anyone with a decent reputation. The N54 platform is full of a lot of opinions that really can't be relied on, which is why i just wanted to know about your dragy time. In fact it kinda sucks but some many people give me advice and then you find out their car is slow af. A dragy time tells so much more about your setup, than a dyno number or an opinion.... anyway rant over haha. You have one quick car. Please keep me updated with your progression with them. Keen to see you in the 4 second bracket on that 100-200 dragy run.

[@RC335]

Nice video man, very informative. Been debating on going with DAW stage 2+ or pure600s. May look at these too now. Not looking for anything crazy as it’s my daily, maybe around 400-500whp.

[@RobertCollins14]

I went pure600s a few months ago and so far I love them. For 450-500hp they should do you perfectly. I'm going for 550whp with a custom tune but haven't gotten a tune yet, just running bef and jb4 map 7 right now.

[@RC335]

@@RobertCollins14 Ayee thanks for the info! I’m glad they are working well for you so far, good luck on that power goal🤘you’ll have to lmk how much power they make on the custom tune.

[@kami8418]

@@RobertCollins14 update on reliability so far brother?

[@RobertCollins14]

@@kami8418 I've put about 8k miles on the Pure600s since they were installed last October and so far not a single issue. I Dyno'd at 501 wheel while getting my custom tune on E30. Need to do port injection or meth to go any higher safely but I'm pretty happy where it is. Any higher and I'd have traction issues.

[@kami8418]

@@RobertCollins14 really torn between those and the 775s.' Absolute legend for the quick response. I'm glad to hear they've been treating you well!

[@uisperfectemail9720]

“If you’re a bit of a muppet” 😂

[@MrFunkyBeatz]

Last time I spoke with Shawn from DAW he mentioned he gets the 825rs ones from a company called Melett. So I'd dare say these are something new from them.

[@apriliaracing7]

I have the DAW stage 2+ on my car and so far I’m impressed. I haven’t had a chance to use them to their full potential because I’m chasing a timing correction on cylinder five which may be injector seal or injector related. But once I remedy that I should be able to turn up the boost and really see what these turbos are going to do. Then off to the dyno.

[@TML34]

Cyl 5&6 run the hottest and are almost always the ones that misfire. A port or direct meth injection might be required at higher boost. But if you’ve ruled out plugs and coils, then the only other thing is the injector itself or the seal.

[@apriliaracing7]

@@TML34 So true. And there’s also the dual mass flywheel vibration that triggers the knock sensors on 5 and 6. But I only have corrections on 5 so hopefully it’s just a seal and not the injector. That’s way cheaper. 😀

[@igotaction]

Low side, high side fuel pressure, STFT, LTFT, AFRs should be logged with the timing corrections. If your HPFP is running down below 1500psi the DME will pull timing as failsafe to avoid damage. You need PI or Spool Helix for DAWs, they move CFMs. Next see if you know someone with an oscilloscope to do a synchronized relative compression test so you can compare 5 with the rest of the cylinders. Finally check spark plug gaps, run car hard for a little while and then let it idle for 10 minutes and shut off and a couple hours later check spark plug for leaky injector. This is why I am Alex's panic button on his car.

[@apriliaracing7]

@@igotaction Oh yes, I’ve checked everything and I’m also FBO with the helix 3x overdrive so fuel pressure is not a problem. Plus it’s a Z4 which has a better lpfp so my rail pressure on wot doesn’t fall below 2000. My car has 59,000 miles so I’m certain it doesn’t have compression issues and my lambdas don’t fluctuate or hang after throttle closing so it doesn’t point to a leaky injector. My gut feeling is a bad injector seal or just a bad injector because the corrections are in the higher rpms.

[@B0JACK]

7:55 turbo got violated there lol

[@dr4109]

Try the Pure 600s: amazing quality and reliability!!!

[@cptrey]

More interested in spool times compared to stock. There’s definitely going be some lag

[@cameronrussell9362]

I'm so jealous. I can't find Great Northern cans in full strength in Sydney. Just Super Crisp. Oh yeah. Nice turbos too.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Jake bringing the goods.

[@StratoJohn]

Hope they come with a bit of support from the manufacturer if they are from America

[@poonricky5310]

hi~ really love watching you guys video, very educative ! please keep it up ! I have a question, I know you guys are pushing to the limit, but in my country, Hong Kong, you know it is a tiny city, no straight road pushing to >250km/h. If for street "racing" occasionally, ( not really racing you know what I mean ), which turbo would you prefer?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

It’s a very hard question to answer because everyone prefers a different power curve. The flowmax plus turbos are a great balance.

[@poonricky5310]

@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks man ! if I am getting a used LHD 335i turbo, does it fit 135 RHD ? According to the google, someone said the rear turbo coolant adapter need to be changed?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@poonricky5310 no get the rhd version if you have a rhd drive car

[@igotaction]

I have the DAW 775RS with no issues for two years. I also worked on Alex's car a bit he had me do some coding, installed his stage 3 LPFP and wired his meth injection kit. All things considered price, quality/reliability, CFMs, I think DAW are the best VALUE anywhere in the N54 turbo market IMHO.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Have you had a set of China’s in your hand?

[@igotaction]

@@ZeroTo60Tube negative, for me it doesn't make sense to take the chance. I spend a decent amount of time trying to research best value components and personally know enough China turbo QC issues to not bother. Totally understand others having opposite opinion. Also worth noting the Zf branded 6HP21 was made at a plant in China, they for sure can make quality stuff however unless the factory is pumping out huge numbers for major manufacturer like Zf, the QC is not worth their time.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@igotaction " negative, for me it doesn't make sense to take the chance." alright money bags..... jesus. haha. Nah i totally get it, these are so much better built than a china, i bet there arent many people out there that have held both in their hands and have enough of an understanding to appreciate the difference. On the same note these feel like racing product, and just like a racing engine, i feel they are going to need more maintenance, more care in the setup of the motor and so on. They probably wouldn't suit most of the budget builders out there. These belong to the guys changing the oil every time they give the car a hard time at the track. The guys who know when something sounds off with the motor, the guys who actually understand how everything in the build works.

[@igotaction]

@@ZeroTo60Tube I would agree with FlowMax but not the 775RS. The 775s still have the billet wastegate flapper arm but are basically a stock housing same build quality though. I have had most of the DAW lineup in my hands and I install these for living and so I don't feel comfortable installing something I think is going to fail and make some regret their choice and blame me for not talking them out of it. I just won't do it. Didn't mean to come across snooty, I just want to do safe reliable builds, accompanying fuel upgrades have to go with air upgrades, quality parts, stuff like that. I tell customers you can go cheap but only so cheap otherwise it can get really expensive.

[@igotaction]

@@ZeroTo60Tube but it's also kinda the reason I feel like Alex's panic button when something goes wrong on his car, because I give him the correct way to diagnose a problem, wiring diagrams, tell where to put multimeter like when his ethanol sensor was giving him fits.

[@budgtm3215]

These are actually quite a bit smaller than the Plus. I’ve got them they are crazy. I’m doing a trans swap right now with the 6HP28 RN.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I was under the impression the only difference was the wheel size? Oh and let us know what you think of the 6HP28. I think its great that swap is finally happening, in Australia our Ford Flacons with that trans are doing 7 second passes now, so heaps of drag racing potential. In the interest of making my life hard, i really want to ZF8 swap a N54 tho.

[@topfueljunkie100]

@@ZeroTo60Tube YES! A ZF8 would be AWESOME! But I really love your DCT trans. Do you think there's any advantage to the ZF8 (if it could be done) or the 6hp28 over the DCT? I presume it can handle more power, but beyond that, any real advantage? DCT just seems like it'd be more fun.

[@Jotomoz]

keen on the # output for these DAWs. Curious to know if you would someday review ball bearing n54 specific. NOZ turbo formally Marshall turbo from the UK are ball bearing n54 specific hybrid twins which tuned out more power than pure stage 2 from dyno here in NSW. there are kinugawa/mamba ball bearings for n54 but no dyno results i can find.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Ohhh interesting, would love some more info on those. Do you have a link.

[@davizzleman]

You are looking at a manifold that can be seperated but actually not removing it? :-D Would be cool if you remove the manifold from the turbine housing and measure the actual size. Very interesting.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Might do that on our ones.

[@thisguyshorty3554]

I wanted to run DAW's but thier description recommended the tear's of dinosours to run them and not void any warranty. Thier disclaimer was pretty strict to not void the warranty so I stayed away. Also alot of turbos claim to be "very reliable" than others.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Yeah man, I think he’s had enough of people not setting cars up properly and blaming the turbos. These are much more precise than chinas and will need to be treated accordingly.

[@jessicaandtrains7768]

Even on a 19T I imagine most people are limited by other factors like the crappy head flow. I had to limit my GCs to 29 psi. They could have made more.

[@Jared535]

I’m putting a set of stage 4s on my 535xi

[@ethanhayes2363]

Can you guys get the frankens over there? $1700 usd with upgraded lines they seem to be good quality

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Haven’t seen much about frakens.

[@colin55594]

They look sweet 😍. I'm here with my rb 2s thinking my car rips lol.

[@TML34]

I have the 2’s as well, and it does rip! 😅

[@colin55594]

Did you dyno your car?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

RB2’s are freaking great turbos.

[@TML34]

@J B Yep. No port or overdrive hpfp, just good old stage 2 lpfp and a simple charge pipe meth injection. 20 psi max and it just flies.

[@colin55594]

I just added tmap sensor and turned up to 25psi. What a difference from 20. Running e85 as well

[@bmwn54_cb67]

hi have the same ones an its way to me right now

[@marmo_tv2049]

looks like a pretty square corner in that collector area radiusing that "collecter" looks like it should flow alot better than just the squared edge of the machined bore, i bought a 335i but the mrs fell in love with it while her car is off the road so looking at getting another one of a f01 740i for my self, havent seen many modded or any honestly should have pretty similar performance to the 335i besides the extra 200kg weight or is there something diffrent about them compaired to the 3 series?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Have you found a way of tuning the 740i DME?

[@marmo_tv2049]

@@ZeroTo60Tube i did some more research and seems there isnt a easy way to tune it like a 335i unfortunately so still tossing up betwen the 740 and the 335 i do like the 7 series a bit more personally though, there are companys offering chips/flashs but they are not letting there code out

[@shaolincruz2891]

You just broke the turbos virginity well before the owner got a chance to drive it 🤣🤣…

[@Justin-qs9nj]

You mentioned the 11 blade wheels having faster spool time than the 6+6. Is there any benefit to the 6+6 over the 11 blade?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

6+6 should have more top end. They are also a slightly lighter where. I havent driven china 11 blades, just going off what JB said with the 1M. i was quite happy with my 6+6 17T spool.

[@Justin-qs9nj]

Thanks guys!!

[@papa_pt]

I think Vargas had some big reliability issues with 11 blade before switching over to 6+6

[@BenDover-ts6gj]

Do these fit the 2012 335is?

[@Raptorman5174]

Please do the install video on these I would like to see that. So the consensus is that if you dont plan on going past 20psi the China turbos are ok?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

My thoughts are at 20psi you are just touching the surface of an N54, so you can get away with saving a lot of money on a build and i would go with chinas. In fact 20 psi, stock high pressure fuel system, walbro 460 in the tank inlets, DCIs and flex tune and it would be a bloody nice setup. For about 2-3 months when you go...... "hmmm i wonder what it would be like at 22psi" and so on hahah

[@motodigitalvideo]

Not sure if that's the consensus, china turbos run fine up to 27psi and have heard of some people pushing the 19t's to 30 psi. The consensus might be if you don't plan on going above 20psi, the stock turbos are ok.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@motodigitalvideo i will add to this a little. A stock turbo wont make 20psi at 6500rpm, so they are limited in that sense. When giving advice, I think the 17ts are great up to that 20psi number on any fuel. They arent really working that hard, fuel system is gonna be sweetish and cylinder temps will be ok and the car is gonna munch a lot of other cars on the street.That said with a good fuel system, i think the china turbos will happily make 600hp at the crank relatively reliably. Not stressing anything too much at those levels (if ethanol fuelling is there). Regardless of boost numbers if you get pumping 700hp at the crank thats when china turbos are really out of efficiency and things are going to be getting a little too hot. You can negate this with certain oil types, additional cooling etc. But i think its a matter of time for a turbine wheel to melt and fall off or a rod to bend. i kind of feel the stock rods will bend first tho. On the same note, i run mine past 700hp nearly every time i drive it...... YOLO

[@Bertof30]

What turbos are they again there bud ?

[@randazd1434]

Can't wait to see a comparison between the Viv v4 with the same manifold

[@n54addictmotorsports]

Tell you rn ,same thing 😂 what’s designed in America mean ??? People become so biased it’s tough to understand sometimes,you can get the same exact turbos for 1900 shipped ,you ever wonder why it takes a month to get them ? They have to come from china and get rebranded 😂

[@manjotsandhu7715]

@@n54addictmotorsports people really don’t see it or are just oblivious to it. Vtto Daw cts viv. Are all selling the same shit. If your willing to buy a few you can start your own brand 😂

[@n54addictmotorsports]

@@manjotsandhu7715 wink let’s do it 😂

[@n54addictmotorsports]

@J B never had any issues with viv ,their English is very poor ,it could throw people off ,i have always had a great relationship with them so much that i asked them if they could make me the so called V4s and they came thru with it so 🤷🏻‍♂️ where you are coming from

[@manjotsandhu7715]

@@n54addictmotorsports literally just call the brand China turbos

[@MatthewGlad]

Stainless Vs Cast manifold

[@mushy1983123]

What a your thoughts on hybrid turbos on the stock s55 turbos or should I say hi flowing them cost have the price if not cheaper then pure turbos?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Honestly I can’t comment with any experience. But they will be better. Just don’t know if it’s worth it.

[@mushy1983123]

@@ZeroTo60Tube what's what I was thinking some people claim a 50wkw not sure how true that is I'm currently pushing 401wkw on chassis dyno with my f80 hoping to get between 450-500wkw would be great

[@ahmedw3094]

Does anyone have a link for these?

[@jaydenpocklington1627]

Pretty sure my turbos are on their way out. Thinking of going these, dont really wanna do port injection just yet Would you recommend running these on say 400ish HP, then doing port injection and getting their full value out of them ? What's the cost in Aud for the flow max plus ?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Over 3k aid for flow max plus but allow $5k the time you have done gaskets, outlets and all the other bit to fit turbos. No pi you won’t be stretching the legs on the turbos much. Non plus for the slightly quicker spool. And get saving up for pi so you’re ready for 650-700hp. The flow max plus are kinda crazy, I still can’t believe how fast the car was, it’s almost too much for a street car.

[@jaydenpocklington1627]

@@ZeroTo60Tube I'd be pretty content with the 500whp mark, already struggling for grip on just mhd stage 2 Might sus the non plus, I'll have around 10k to play with including labour also need an intercooler inlets etc, because after watching your installs it's a big nope doing that myself 😂

[@BMW1M]

@@jaydenpocklington1627 What did you end up going for and how is it doing?

[@mrpocklington7540]

@@BMW1M OEMs still haven't died 🤌 but I bought a set of flow max + ready to install when they go

[@Jay-gd6tg]

So, is it possible to run these and use stock cats? Only asking to get around the emission testing.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

You can. But there is a huge issues with flow at higher power levels. You wouldnt want to be running much more than 350-400hp at the crank with stock cats. Things will get hot and melt pretty quickly past that.

[@ALEX.THE.RUSSIAN]

No sir don't run these with stock downpipes you can't even have secondary cats, even a full straight pipe OEM exhaust. Only a real 3.0 inch full pipe or vrsf street or race version

[@alexwalsh31]

Cann the you put those turbos on a N55 or just N54 (Autowrex)

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

No, you will need N55 specific turbos.

[@alaasaleh2572]

What’s the difference between flow max vs flow max +?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Size of the wheels. Flow Max will be a better street car, Max plus is for people wanting to drag and roll race.

[@danielanderson9118]

When you start to get in to single turbo money for the price of decent twins; it would be a hard decision for me.

[@papa_pt]

u mean like Pure Stage 2 or RBs going for around $3k? What single turbo w/ manifold is close to that?

[@159PhAnToM159]

@Burnt PePPeroni i made my single turbo kit for $3000 its possible

[@papa_pt]

@@159PhAnToM159 what's in it?

[@159PhAnToM159]

@@papa_pt custom manifold 6266 jb tial wastegate plus the miscellaneous stuff 2400 us $3000 canadian

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@159PhAnToM159 Congrats and fair play for actually doing a custom setup. Have you had a chance to benchmark the car with a dragy yet?

[@nickm2397]

only slightly faster than the 17t car :P

[@coynor1]

Those are exactly like the VTT F-RB everything besides the CHRA

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Interesting, does make you wonder if they are getting the castings all made in the same place. The VTT, RB and DAW put their wheels and CRHA in them.

[@coynor1]

@@ZeroTo60Tube for sure they do say how getting their logo cast molded into the item is really expensive cause there buying the molding instead of just etching the logo into “pre Assembled China castings” 🤔

[@coynor1]

Either way though the Vargas F-RB‘s are amazing turbos! I do have a set of them on my car and they have been everything Vargas said they would be. These also look promising as well. Maybe it could be a plus for all of us if the CHRA go out in either brand they could be interchangeable 😂

[@ynoyellow4829]

13% off on website rn

[@KG-rx1dr]

What do they cost au?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

1 million dollars….. well that’s what it feels like. Haven’t checked the exchange rate lately. But you don’t get much change from 4K after import duty.

[@Zsword92]

These or Pure Stage 2 high flows?

[@MatthewGlad]

These

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

These all day long. Pure stage 2 is more like China 17t power capability

[@Zsword92]

@@ZeroTo60Tube Are DAW turbos durable/reliable?

[@papa_pt]

depends how much power you want, and where you want the boost to hit

[@Kickrocks1234]

Pure Stage 2 MUCH better turbo. Get the dd or high flow. Not the cast 600s

[@cocko1135]

I rikey

[@bimmerfab]

You can literally tighten the wastegate Alan keys up mark them with a sharpie and that is enough to be considered assembled in America. Shawn will never fool me again with his China turbos that are rebalanced

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I assume you had a failure? What was it that caused yours to fail?

[@thisguyshorty3554]

Who's Shawn?

[@bimmerfab]

@@thisguyshorty3554 owner of DAW

[@Saiyan585]

Only that's not what they do. Stop spreading disinformation.

[@bimmerfab]

@@Saiyan585 its not misinformation if its true 🤷‍♂️

[@scarface16134]

I have been seeing the DAW fails alot and it being impossible to reach the owner

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Do you know what caused any of the failures?

[@scarface16134]

Most that I know of were do to not upgrading the pcv causing it to not drain fast enough and pushing oil past the seals but I have seen some size too, there are a lot but.... they also sold alot just like you can find 1000s of people with issues on their iPhone l. Doesn't mean iPhone are bad just means they made a lot and more of a product means some will fail. But the biggest issue is support, luckily you have direct contact with the owner but there are many post to where he won't reply or just drags it out... so the service is not spectacular and thats probably from demand being higher then thought of

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@scarface16134 Shawn is really disheartened with the failures and i get where he is coming from. There is so much left up to the installer even though he gives a bloody novel to guide you on the install. One thing i did notice with these after actually handling them, which shawn never mentioned the tolerance in the journal bearing is much more like a garret journal bearing turbo. Where the chinas are sloppy. You would think sloppy is bad, but it gives a much larger tolerance for different oils. Where using the right oil and making sure you have the drain working is very important on these. It feels like there will physically be less oil in the journal bearing, than the chinas. So i can see how some people will have issues if they arent on the ball. These feel more like a racing product, which is what they are i guess. And a race engine needs a lot more love than a normal one thats just pumped out on the cheap. I do know of a set failing due to one turbo not working (wastegate rod circlip was missing) and the owner was driving around with only one turbo making the boost. That's such a shitty situation, did a 1 cent circlip fail, was it missing, should the installer have noticed, should the owner have stopped driving when the car would only make 16-18psi. It's easy to blame the turbos, but its not really the turbos fault very often. Regardless, i am looking forward to running ours as hard as the rods in the vargas car will take. hehe

[@scarface16134]

@@ZeroTo60Tube well ghassan has shown that limit for the walls seems to be around 43 psi so you will have a ripper that's for sure just upgrade the pcv the rest you already know and have done

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@scarface16134 That ghassan is really getting on my nerves..... how are we supposed to beat him with ohhrly now.... god damn it. hahah. Wish he was local so we could buy a built motor from him. Building one properly here is gonna cost an arm and a leg, or at least the price of a good upgraded twin turbo entire car :|

[@n54addictmotorsports]

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[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Broooo, i didnt recognise your username. Got some dragy data on the you viv v4's yet? Keen to see if they deliver much better times than the old generation chinas.

[@n54addictmotorsports]

@@ZeroTo60Tube unfortunately no ,I ended up getting into an argument with my client ,anxiety is killing him and I can’t deal with that kind of stuff ,but by driving the car i could tell they flow way better and not only that ,his car is runnig out of fuel at 18psi on 93 oct ,rail os crashing to 1000 with 2 walbro450s in the tank 😩,he is getting port injection and all but that car is out of my channel im almost deleting the video

[@4x4runr]

Single or these twins……decisions decisions

[@tighematthew]

Just hope they don't blow like tims did 🤞

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I still can’t believe how quick times was with only one turbo working. No wonder that rear one melted, was putting some work in. Wastegate was stuck open on the front one in case you didn’t know.

[@tighematthew]

@@ZeroTo60Tube so flawed design then for a waste gate to be stuck open...

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@tighematthew The cir clip was missing that holds the rod on the flapper. Did the cir clip fail? Did it get knocked during installation? Was it missing completely? No body knows........ but definitely not what i would call a flawed design, that cir clip is the same on every n54 twin turbo. A 1 cent part and difficulties diagnosing was Tim's issue.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@tighematthew i will add to this, so you know. These are not toys. These feel like a racing product. You wouldn't get away with sloppy installs, the wrong oil etc like you can with china ones. These are built to be raced, and treated like a race part. It feels like there is much less room for oil in the journal bearing, which will make the compressor more accurate, seal better in the housing and essentially make more boost. But you don't get that extra play that helps people who are lazy on setups or not doing things properly.

[@tighematthew]

@@ZeroTo60Tube well i have good information from the source there is alot more to the story then the 1 cent clip 👍

[@bugsy791]

"designed to work in America" what does that even mean?

[@TML34]

Made in China, balanced in America (maybe).

[@manjotsandhu7715]

@@TML34 if that

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

That’s called a one take lol…. Meant to say along the lines of made to be finished in America. The machine work and assembly. The work that goes in to making them what they are.

[@brumaireyoung9444]

omg this is too much shake

[@sobhihalabi9184]

Could have went ST with the price of these☠️

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Not in Australia. Cheapest single setup is about twice the price of these. And for that money the single will be slower than a China turbo car.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

​@Burnt PePPeroni The N54 platform for years has been full of "accountants" or people with minimal mechanical understanding giving opinions online that are often very wrong and unfortunately it has built a generation of enthusiasts that really dont have much of an understanding due to how they have learnt about modding making cars go fast. I often remind myself when reading comments of a quote some clever person told me years ago "we don't know, what we don't know". Until you have put together a single turbo kit, that will get the car down a track fast, a good dragy time and not catch the car on fire and last a few thousand k's of daily driving use, you wont know the true cost.

[@sobhihalabi9184]

@@ZeroTo60Tube the max flow plus cost 2500$ alone you still need inetls and outlets and dci so i think paying 500$ to 1000$ extra on a bottom mount is another alternative like bottom mount speedtech precision 6266 JB is around 3500$ anyway lets see what these babies can do 😍

[@sobhihalabi9184]

@Burnt PePPeroni 3500$ can buy you one

[@sobhihalabi9184]

@J B overkilldesign kit

[@260bossute]

Do you guys still rate these Turbs? I am going to push the button soon

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

i thought they were discontinued?