BMW n54 335i 1 Year Ownership 17T China Turbos: Review & Thoughts

BMW n54 335i 1 Year Ownership 17T China Turbos: Review & Thoughts
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[@ZijkantLeutn]

"If you gonna be playing with these cars, you need to expect ... issues." - All N54 owners chuckle in unison

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Its all part of it. Its not just N54s either. Anything at these power levels is gonna be expensive.

[@igotaction]

@@ZeroTo60Tube in fact the N54 internals are pretty reliable for those power numbers, it's all the auxiliaries around the engine that are suspect. If you overbuild on fuel and keep things like back pressure in mind when tuning it's really reliable for these power numbers, but when you are looking at power per liter or cylinder it's just physics that if you have some type of failure (cooling/fuel) the results can be catastrophic

[@ZijkantLeutn]

@@igotaction Exactly :D about 8k km on my 19T setup with all preventative maintenance done... currently "issue free"

[@ferrynpalmer3875]

@@ZijkantLeutn .....didn't you watch the last roll racing episode a couple days ago!? They were tickled to death and kept commenting on how well OHRLY was running......I'm over the moon for you my friend, but DON'T JINX IT!!! 🤣😂🤣

[@Saif0412]

@@ferrynpalmer3875 oh really was pushed to 35psi with well over 700hp, it's impressive how long it lasted.

[@craigy131]

If only car guys could be satisfied for longer than a few months 😂

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

#truth

[@Wheelsanstuff]

Yep. My wallet would thank me.

[@michaelhawk1826]

Next day getting my car back from tuner I tore it’s apart went with 19t inlets outlets and a big radiator.

[@cocko1135]

Fair call mate. Definitely a hook worthy engine, actually the whole car is awesome. I'm happy with mine at around 500 ish HP. Mine is a true daily and just makes my day everytime. Fricking love this car.

[@HassanEido1]

All of the above. That's why for our shop car, I went with a top mount single, less backpressure= less heat, less possibility for failure. But then you'll also want more ,wind it out even more ,and still break it . So I think the key is,decide when enough is enough, and plan your build accordingly.

[@Pho6oZ]

I really apreciate that you put the whole numbers/feeling into is. Personally I went a similar route back in the day with a subaru, now with the n54 I just went straight to the problems and fixed them right away (bought the car and literally that first week I bought index 12 and many, many gaskets). Its so hard for people to do it like that usually, even more putting numbers on the table. Thank you!

[@supraboy82]

Don’t be sorry about the long videos! Love them! You got me to have 17T on mine lol making 475whp on 91oct. Now let’s see a update on them bbk!!!

[@ltdasilva93]

Sold my N54 e92 after 4 years of ownership. I’ve had my fun but will always love your videos. Thanks for the work and content that you provide.

[@bwhobackk]

This is an excellent video, Andrew. The summarized content and informative details, main camera angle well staged too.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Thanks man...... definitely wasn't last minute... :|

[@n54lionmilk]

Nice sharing your experience knowledge and opinion. Keep it up boss🔥🔥🔥🔥lockd in🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲

[@michaelshannon4138]

Welcome to the rabbit hole of power mods

[@lancewood1410]

Wabbit Hole is the correct phrase :)

[@lyanryons7355]

Great vid! Been looking to upgrade my turbos for a while now but RHD makes it harder to find suitable turbos 😭 Look forward to seeing more from you guys, keep up the great work 👍

[@arnobruynen6073]

"It never ends" + the facial expression at 10:26 is just priceless haha. That must be what every N54 owner realises at some point during their ownership :D

[@ericvermeulen9853]

Hi guys thanks for the awesome channel 🙏🏻🙏🏻, so i ran my 54 FBO for a while stock turbos peak boost 17psi with wmi fsb system with the jb4 and it was great so since I saw you guys going Chinese I went version 3 viv auto sport 19t 6/6 compressor design turbos I gave it a go , I opened them up and replaced the o rings with the viton o rings cause they felt a bit spongy and inspected the thrust assembly and it was the 14mm dual oil thrust 👌🏻👌🏻,so spool they spool stock like and ripps to 7000rpm unbelievable now running at 18 psi dual #7 meth nozzles and it feels amazing , with wgdc running about 35-50% and 8deg timing and yes if you go 20psi and up it’s a complete animal , one last thing, I carried my stock BMW waste gate actuators over and resetted them , they hold boost easy these 19tees All the best keep the content flowing it’s a lot of work I know, love the roll racing nights🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

That is probably the perfect way to run these turbos. They will make some decent power at those boost levels and you really are not stressing them.

[@qx4n9e1xp]

Really glad to hear you say that 17Ts are still 600wheel capable. Makes me feel good going with a properly supported & tuned RB GFs turbos instead of a much more expensive single turbo that will be more top-end than mid-range.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Don’t get me wrong twins will make 600whp pretty easily. The catch is 600whp starts to feel slow after a while haha

[@MatthewGlad]

Exhaust side same on the 17t and 19t so glad you are sticking with twins!

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

That's it. Theres definitely not much in it.

[@adriangarcia2158]

Really happy i found this video, great information thank you. Last year I sold my Lexus RC and bought a 07 335i 6MT. ( Cries in reliability ) but Im having a blast with the car its my daily ive done work on it already lol. But im reaching the point of new turbos and knowing that I wont be pushing my car for power china turbos sound like what my needs are. Currently getting through all the maintnence before any “fun” mods.

[@andygarcia6619]

Great review 👌🏻

[@maxwellbrown2584]

Good note on the smaller exhaust section of the chinese turbos. I have heard this as well from a reputable local N54 turbo shop as well. The pure600s market themselves as larger exhaust sections too, but in reality are not internally.

[@shoha5386]

Thanks broooo, a lot of infos 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 great content

[@TandTProject]

The beard scratching was some sick ASMR 😂

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

HOLY.... man so sorry about that. Whos stupid idea was a beard.

[@sky335i2]

I am currently running these same turbos never have a problem heat even in summer weather. Do to the fact I have a custom straight pipe exhaust with 2 vibrant resonators. Car dosent even crack 100 when I track it. Also running a single pass rad from rock auto, and an stock oil cooler. Also have all the lower panels removed for better heat removal.

[@mrchristopher541]

Great vid brotha

[@LMLracing]

Love the channel

[@dannyboi520]

Nice honest review mate

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Thanks 👍

[@ferrynpalmer3875]

"I WANT MORE"......yeah, you've got the sickness. The mod bug is strong in you my friend, and I like that holmes, I like that!

[@abelucious]

That's what I did, I took my N54 out of the car and changed all suspect gaskets, updated my injectors to index 12, walnut blast the intake, ordered my hybrids from an independent builder in British Columbia , Canada at about the same price of the ebay turbos , I also change my 0w40 BMW LL1 oil every 3000 kilometers.

[@donivanholmes8639]

Merch looks phenominal man!

[@timwright3394]

Great and informative as always mate, definitely a journey with the old N54s but worth it for sure. As you said maintenance before mods is definitely key with them.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Absolutely. How is your thing going? Got them flow max's dialed yet?

[@timwright3394]

@@ZeroTo60Tube tuner is away at the moment.... so unfortunately not yet last tune targeting 26psi was pulling some timing so just waiting for some feedback. Speaking of maintenance he did mention leaky injector last time we spoke which is never fun....

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Ewwww..... are you getting crappy cold starts? I seem to in this cold weather. Stupid dense air.

[@timwright3394]

@@ZeroTo60Tube YES!! And I'm sure my neighbours loooooove my 630am cold stuttering starts hahaha oh also battery is hating this cold weather

[@javi_335i]

I just got the pure 600’s turbos. I’m full bolts all VRSF inlets outlets and stage 2 fuel pump. I’m only going for mid 500 whp for now. I need a custom tune. Been running jb4 map 5 with mhd bef. At 15psi. I need to turn the Boost up with the custom tune soon. 👍🏽

[@MustafaKhan-ph5hl]

Definitely a perfect review of 17ts still not sure if i need them 😆

[@TUGRA14]

This was an awesome honest review. I am here in Canada will tune my car for 93 Octane so I guess the chinese turbos makes more sense to my case as I will only be able to push max 500 whp.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

For a stock fuel system type setup, they are pretty damn good.

[@Matthewww747]

I’m running Pure stage 2 high flows on my DCT N54, despite spending the extra money I still want to go down the single turbo route, at the time I thought I’d save a little by going the pure option over the single option. The turbos have been good, but honestly I don’t see my car putting much more power down than what you’ve gotten out of the 17T car. I am however running 98, not ethanol. Also, been looking for a diff for my car. Being DCT, diffs are even more expensive again.. looking around $4k to have one built as the dct cars have a sealed diff. 6 months ago you could pick up an M3 rear end for $2k, now I can’t find one under $4k. Crazy money in making these cars fast.

[@poonricky5310]

love the very valuable content you shared to us, sorry to say your pain our gain! Quite interesting is you talk about your perspective about the 3xx hp airflow is restricted on the turbo inlet But how about the outlet restricted because of the steering column ? ( only RHD guy knows that feel )

[@timlad123456]

It really comes down to how much power you want to make. If your building a daily with less than 550 horsepower the china turbos work great, I have a pair of 16ts from china and they have been flawless. If your pushing more than 20 psi for prolonged use they will fail. It really comes down to application on which turbos to use, the china turbos are good for lightly modified cars not really good for an all out draggy. Great content Andrew

[@TheMasterKelly]

Any update on your 17ts? still going or replaced them already lol

[@timlad123456]

@@TheMasterKelly The turbos are working great years later I make sure to change the oil every 3500 miles and I drive the car to work every day 20k on the turbos so far

[@williamwade7059]

Good stuff

[@lucasschema6874]

I have dynamic autowerx twin turbos on my 335 that i bought. After buying i did research to see what people think of them and i saw a lot of negative people talking about them. Unsure what to think. My car seems just fine with them and its been put through its paces by both the previous owner (treating it like shit) and also me doing pulls. Hits 20 lbs and car doesnt smoke at all so i dont know what to believe

[@StratoJohn]

Interesting content, some good insight into "false economy" about buying twice

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Thats really what a wanted to highlight. The modification joinery is an expensive one.

[@xtruproductions2116]

I’m 19 leaving to the Air Force within the next year (just stuck waiting) I work and have had crazy love for cars and I just want something I can genuinely enjoy for myself, I love driving I drive this little 02 civic at least 150 miles in my little town a day just for fun. I know what’s coming maintenance wise I wanna learn and take everything on myself, oil changes etc simple stuff I have down and I’m used to frequent servicing because of my dirtbikes and quads so the maintenance for fun is completely fine with me. I’ll have one in the next two months I just hope I don’t get a bad one.. I’m trying to be as smart as possible what has and hasn’t been replaced how many owners who owned everything

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Hey man!!! With your mindset you will be sweet with a N54. They take work but are very rewarding. Assuming she has oil pressure and doesnt knock, there is no such thing as bad one! Everything is fixable.

[@igotaction]

I've had the DAW 775RS for 18 months no issues.

[@MrBoostedk20]

how much power are you making and on what psi? i inquired about these since i just want 500whp and be reliable

[@Jern54]

Started with 17T's, ended with a build engine with Hydra HP 800 turbo's.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

This is a very common scenario. P.s Your car is sick!!!

[@damienbrowne8904]

Did you have any issues with the hydra outlets fitment ? How’s the turbos running ?

[@Jern54]

@@damienbrowne8904 it's tight but they do fine. Turbo's were amazing but I switched to a doc race 6466 last month.

[@damienbrowne8904]

@@Jern54 how come you switched? I’ve got a bmw 1m so the fitment is going to be very tight

[@Jern54]

@@damienbrowne8904 single turbo sounds better. And the kick when boost hits is harder.

[@paulsimpson8990]

I feel sorry for the n54, came out 15 years ago, pumps out over 600 hp with just bolt ons and then gets a bad rep for being unreliable 😂

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

haha, that made me giggle. Poor thing.

[@davidstevenson1211]

Also maybe some sort of bonnet vents to help get heat out of the bay both on oh really and 17t car

[@cornfedboost]

Big giant single jingle and all of the boosts is the go 😁

[@lancewood1410]

Yes pretty sure the same goes to - slap on a BIG single and it'll solve ALL your problem.....so the owner slap it on and does ZERO maintenance :) - GENIUS!

[@cornfedboost]

Lifetime oil ftw 🤘

[@MrFunkyBeatz]

I went with DAW825rs on my old 135i. Such a nightmare. They leaked coolant into my engine through the housing. Had to do turbos 3 times. 5 or 6 months of waiting. Once they were sorted and it was tuned it made about 330kw on the dyno program we used on 98 octane with just a 460L intank pump so wasn't too bad but man getting to that point was a nightmare. I'll never deal with that brand again.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I remember seeing your issues play out on the facebook groups. The fact you actually got support from DAW was one of the reasons i started to take note of them.

[@chrisbelcher5320]

The DAW turbos use the same cast housings, and also said to be the same as what’s out there for turbos. If doing a bigger manifolds, either the Hydras, or RB. They have tru bigger id manifolds that have a great track life.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

The china ones were based on an old DAW design. The casting for the Viv V4 looks like flow max, but it is different. The DAW turbos are not compare-able to china, which they shouldn't be, considering the price difference.

[@flinchy952]

I wonder if daw turbos are using the same casting design but they paid to have their own mould made up with their logo cast in? I don't think it costs all that much to have done. It looks visually identical otherwise, same proportions all over you can buy the same style 17/19t china turbo off eBay/AliExpress, with the larger split manifold. And it's +/- the same price as the ones you've been running

[@pugs1377]

Good points! I going to have to replace my stock turbos at some point. I've got 115k on em with no rattle YET but it's comming. I think the china turbos may be a good choice since I'm not adding port injection. Most I would do is a custom tune to take advantage of the inlets I have and latter the turbos. When do we get to see the carnage from the ventilated block?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Block damage will be a few weeks away. Need to get on to the DCT conversion amoung a few other projects first.

[@bimmertec]

awesome 👌jb4 best for starting

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I think JB4 and N54tech.com is great for learning about tuning these things. But you have to step up and put some time in to learn it all.

[@Farabeats]

lovely informative video! you werent wrong, i always toyed with the idea of a 335i or 135i with some power whilst being on a budget, ie run regular 98 and have a fairly reliable bmw (LOL). so when i started seeing your videos on the 17ts, i did get hooked. now i understand chasing big numbers come at a cost of traction. what sort of bhp should one be chasing is my goal is sub 4.5 second 0-100? is 450bhp low enough to allow good grip at every launch? what kind of 0-100 would that achieve? thanks guys! much love from a budding mod rat!

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

JB is right, traction is all you will need. However i wouldn't say stock turbos are reliable. haha If i wasnt chasing power, 17t and a 98 tune would be a brilliant fun car. But you will need good tyres to get low 4s.

[@bradpatterson1949]

I think the big thing with euro vs commodore and Ford. We follow the drivline.. if you add power the box shaft and diff needs to be done. It's just a natural thought. But with a euro you hope it can handle the power.. Wether than can or not you just hope. Bus a commy guy you always follow what happens if....

[@Simpyspec]

Basically what you're saying is that a solid 1/2 of 335i owners will install the 17T turbos with all the oil leaks. Watching your videos really have made me not fear the Mighty N54. just because of the flow problems on the chinese 17T at higher HP would make sense to avoid them. But for a cheap N54 car they would be the perfect upgrade if you were to not run more than 500whp. I feel like after that you're making those turbos really work..

[@elvispresley8561]

Ive had mine now for four years with no problem, only problem with theses is not fitting them correctly

[@Saif0412]

Totally agree with Andrew, Sticking to about 400-450 hp for reliability and maintenance before mods 👍 Waiting until I can afford a good set of RB turbos 😣 In my opinion for a daily it's enough on the road though. JSR doing the business with a custom tune on my stock turbos at the moment 👌 17t Chinese turbos have been very impressive considering how hard they have been pushed. 👌

[@n54nz2]

Did you notice much gains after going custom tune? Any draggy runs? Thinking the same do I go hybrids to jus wind up the stock ones lol

[@melvingrimes7886]

Back pressure kills yes indeed.

[@maxwellbrown2584]

Have you looked into the Rob Beck Game Finishers? True TD04 with the larger exhaust manifold system. That looks like a good high horsepower twin set up

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Yeah they look good. Still gravitated towards the flow max tho.

[@kylehanaway1613]

Thanks for this, just convinced me to sell the car and change platforms. Cost outweighing benefits for me :(

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

On the same note, there is no cheaper platform to go quicker. Point of the video was people not understanding what other costs are involved in going quick even when you do buy the "cheap" turbos. Most other platforms, 2JZ, RB, barra, dont have the cheap turbo options or huge selection if china bolt parts. You have to pay to play!

[@flinchy952]

You can get the Chinese turbos with the split housing castings that have bigger hot side diameters, they're not fully split, but the same size at least, in theory a bit healthier for pushing bigger numbers?

[@andrebassila3602]

Get a set of Hydra Performance hp800 turbos and trust me they are siiiicccckkk!!

[@1991june]

im happy with 300 hp but 450 is the sweet spot for me

[@ryansquire6517]

Love the review on the 17ts! I’ve got a 335i which is about to go in the garage for valve stem seal replacement. I’ve been thinking about going with the 17ts. Current mods are FMIC, Downpipes & full system, Dual cone induction, charge pipe, stage 1 fuel pump, step 2 colder sparks, new ignitions. I am aiming for 500-520bhp!? Would you say go for the 17ts ?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

If you are just on pump fuel and on a budget 100%. Give em a go.

[@ryansquire6517]

I’m not really running on a budget just seem like a good possible options since watching your vlog. How many miles do you feel it will be before issues? Haha

[@maxlagewaard8959]

I'd like to see a video on what you found with the e43 m3 s54 engine?

[@dr4109]

Have you guys run the Pure 600 turbos on any of your cars? I just received mine and hope to do the install later this month and then get a custom tune. I’ve seen many posts about great numbers and longevity of the Pures.

[@htcustomz]

Try an RB set up to compare with Vargas and Chinese Turbos

[@chriscee546]

Ive read that Fapomoto makes the best 17t's available

[@supahone3]

Thank you for your advice. I have to ask, I have an automatic e92 with FBO including inlets/outlets on MHD ots 2+. So if I go with the Asian turbos on let's say an 30% e85 tune, What can I expect at the crank?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

You will limited by your fuel system. You may not be able to run e30, it will be a matter of trial an error. But probably around 500-525whp.

[@JerainJezza]

Gotta pay to play! For me MHD stage 2+ with an LSD is the sweet spot on these cars. Plenty fast, low rpm response and almost failsafe. D

[@jacobhauenstein]

Stock turbos on MHD V5.1 E40, with 2” inlets and outlets is crazy. Not as fast as st or hybrids but the spool is incredible. I need LSD though as I am spinning up to 50mph with Pilot Sport 4S tires

[@JerainJezza]

@@jacobhauenstein Exactly! I can recommend the OS Giken Superlock LSD!

[@Lu-e]

I’ve followed all the maintenance before going to stage 2+ MHD. The only issues I am still have is leaking from the orings where the oil cooler lines hook up to, also leaking from the thermostat gasket, and last I am fighting with cylinder 5 and 6 misfire. I’ve installed new coils, spark plugs, and injectors. Still nothing. Wish me luck

[@PHFilms3]

Any update

[@KastytisDonauskis]

Did you do a video on the 6HP solenoid / o-ring replacement? If not, any particular resource you used for guidance?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I didnt i actually rebuilt my old x5 transmission back in 2017 so still had a load of forum info saved.

[@stenciljunkie]

Have learned so much from your videos. Can you recommend a setup for reliable 550-600hp for my E60 535i m sport, w/ hybrid twins? Maintenance is up to date, have access to E85.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

At the crank that power level isnt too hard to hit. FBO, walbro 460 in tank (maybe a 525 if budget allows) and custom e40-e50 mix tune. You will be there. That HP at the wheels, go single 525 in tank and port injection.

[@sulimed]

I just got my 17t powered car up and running. I think one of my injectors are leaking. I'm going to try and sort that out before I get in touch with Doc Vu and let him tune it

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Definitely get all your problems sorted before starting tune.

[@braydenzumalt6005]

Ceramic coat the headers and turbos to keep the heat down

[@DeclanCrane]

I did a little research and I read that the 19t turbos make power more efficiently than the 17s because of the bigger wheel. So on shitty 91 pump gas like I have access to, it'd technically make more power on less boost. Also the 6+6 blades make less torque on the bottom end, so it'd be easier on your motor. I haven't tested any of this, just stuff I read and wanted to add. This video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXucdIGfeslsr5I explains the differences in blade design, in case anyone was curious. Great video as always!

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Yeah i have seen that vid. You are correct, but you got to keep the scale in mind. Remember the stock turbos are 10ts, so the difference between 17t and 19t is virtually nothing in comparison.

[@drfrog4]

I hear china 19ts are a lot less reliable

[@nickanunziato2375]

I think you guys should get the VIV 19t V3’s and compare

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Seen them in the flesh and been in a car with them. No notable difference to my 17ts. Regardless of what the hype says on the sales page.

[@99sitrrz]

So I'm debating on twins or st. Some CTP, or DAW actually especially after seeing your car and Alex the Russian. However I do daily my car at the moment would twins be better for a daily in your opinion??

[@shitefinancialdecisions]

I’ll let u know how the diesel route works out. HPFP and GTD2872VRK hybrid this weekend 😁

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Wooohoo!! Keen to see how you end up.

[@shitefinancialdecisions]

@@ZeroTo60Tube today’s the day. I got a base tune from the guys at darkside developments in the uk. Hopefully off to a private test track to do some third gear pulls tonight. 😈

[@17t135i]

Hmm maybe I'll stick to my hybrid single turbo N55, but hate that I don't have a forged crank. I keep looking at N54 Dct cars for sale.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

#n54dcttheworld

[@Pawelmps]

N55 is a good engine and cranks aren’t usually a problem. Traction is.

[@Fishingwiththefoo]

My goal is to do a widebody e90 but not just look wise I want 480whp low boost near that range to like 520whp high boost and I’m going for the auto since we’ll I don’t wanna drive a manual in the traffic anymore but if I go 19t full service on AT and do all maitence on the engine would I be fine?

[@cocko1135]

Oh, and it's your damn fault I spent so much on my car too. Thank you 😉🥰

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Haha, and thats why i kinda wanted to warn people a bit. So many have spent a lot of coin based on our vids... Starting to feel bad when guys have a blow up who genuinely can't afford it.

[@cocko1135]

@@ZeroTo60Tube true words bud. On the financial and/or mechanically minded need apply when playing with these... Great fun though. Who would ever have thought of dropping a subframe for a Water pump?!

[@ram00sa00]

My car is 335i with dct. I am aiming for the cheapest way to get 600 or 50whp. Should I go 19t turbos twins or go single . Which is more reliable and drivable for daily use

[@ryanlawson5768]

Would love to get your thoughts on the cast manifold that m18 performance makes for the n54. It is so hard to find any single turbo options for RHD cars. I have not seen anyone cover this turbo kit and would really like to see if It can become a viable option for those of us who want to go to a single turbo setup. I would love to try the internally gated version and buy a smaller EFR turbo and get rid of the twins outright.

[@blrn54]

The no.6 runner looks like it will need to be modified and no.3 and no.4 runner most likely do too.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

BLR N54 is gonna be on the money. RHD single turbo setups are a killer to workout.

[@ryanlawson5768]

Oh man I really Thought I had stumbled across something that might work haha. I think you can see more detail of it on a car in this post but be sure to let me know if you see any problems: instagram.com/p/CHYH4sNpBjo/?

[@boost7236]

Great video! Hey I just upgraded to 17ts turbos , I’m getting a custom tune in a couple weeks , what’s the best OTS map I can run until then, currently stage2+ v10 91 oct

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Unfortunately all of the OTS maps will overboost with 17ts. If you don't have a N20 map sensor yet the DME wont see the overboost and it will run ok. But with an N20 map sensor your throttle body will be closing all the time which can potentially hurt the turbos. Any OTS map will run fine, just avoid the higher gear long WOT pulls.

[@boost7236]

@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks for the reply! I’m on stock map sensor , yes I been overboosting I notice that after doing a couple pulls , turbos pull hard for an ots map , i just cruise the car around then when I get into a nice empty street I do a nice hard pull , should even feel better with a custom tune

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@boost7236 Well the issue is on OTS the map is like run the turbos at 90% to reach this boost target of 18psi. With the hybrids, running them at 90% will hit 25-27psi. So when it makes much more boost the car freaks out. However with stock o2 sensor the DME doesn't realise how much boost it's making. You will see 20-22psi on the logs but the car is actually making up around 26-27psi. So yes it will feel fast. A mate mine runs 10.6 1/4 with OTS map on 17ts. Which is faster than most custom tunes. V5 e40 if you want to have some fun before the custom tune. Just remember you are playing with fire and the car is making mroe boost than the DME can see.

[@anff]

What do you guys do for work outside of these cars?

[@elchicodeleste]

Thanks for the review and general content. Do you think 17Ts are safe running 500WHP ? Im planning to buy them and I need no more than that power. Not racing at all, just some weekend rides.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I would like to say, but it may still be a case by case scenario. 500whp on e85 will be pretty easy. 500whp on pump things will be stressed a bit more.

[@Fishingwiththefoo]

So for the AT I’m gonna need to give it a full service if I’m pushing 500whp?

[@aanas_evo1713]

Do y'all think asking MMP to buy their manifold only (cuz it definitely looks bigger & beefier & better) would work? That way we can cut & clamp or weld the 17T's on that MMP manifold?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

It wouldn’t work, and I can’t see why MMPs would do it.

[@DefaultLoginDetaiIs]

The thing stopping me fitting bigger turbos is having to upgrade the inlets and outlets on my car. Are there any non silicon inlets/outlets available for us RHD guys?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Only silicon inlets and they are fine. Outlets are a pain to source. However modified RHD ones do the job.

[@Fishingwiththefoo]

Or what do you recommend if I want a high 400 low 500 hp 335i to be on the safe end and daily still I of course would do some races at times but occasionally I’d say not a lot and I would go for 2-3 races only to let the whole car cool down but most likely I like doing small pulls of like 3-4 on my car rn in the 6AT those are my fav but of course what do I need if I really wanna keep this reliable

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Firstly it doesnt matter how much spend, how good the parts are you use. Its going to break. Make sure you understand that.

[@SilvergunnerIS350]

Im highly interested in these for a future build in a 335i automatic. Question is can the tuner tune down wheel torque to a safe 540rwtrq? This bugs me.. reason being that 600plus torque breaks transmissions. And I would like reliability. Goals would be around 600rwhp and 540rwtq

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

A tuner like Ken from wedge definitely can.

[@cupompa]

Wait what? These forged engines don't last? I planned on keeping my car stock until everything fails and then mod to like a conservative 450. For reference, I'm at 96k 335i E93. Front suspension needs replacing soon (I hear click noises while coming to a stop), oil pan gasket starting to leak, & the beginning sounds of waste gate rattle upon start up but then it goes away after a few seconds.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Yeah, dont get me wrong. I still think its one of the cheapest platforms to go quick on. But a lot of people watching still dont quite grasp the cost of it all.

[@geoffreymoulton5707]

Just ordered Elder coils now you say B58 coils, Are they better?(Couldn't stretch to Platinum racing R35 GTR coil kit, but wanted to)

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

The B58s are definitely better than the N54 eldors. However you will still be looking at around $1000AUD to do a B58 coil upgrade. New Eldors are fine if you are not pushing things too much.

[@ryanlewww]

Can anyone help me out? I recently bought back my 09’ N54 335i that I sold 2 years ago. It has 130k miles on it and it’s leaking a good amount of oil from the main seals and It’s on stock turbos (pretty sure the seals are blown as well) it’s FBO and been on MHD stage 2+ since I first owned it. I’m not looking to chase high power numbers just want to keep it at 400-450 wheel. Really debating on going 17Ts or just buying fresh factory turbos. What would be healthier for the motor. It’s pretty high mileage now at 130k and my main priority is keeping it as healthy as possible while still having some decent power gains. I was satisfied with the stock turbos and how they performed when I had the car last but I’m wondering if I’d be better off going with Chinese turbos.

[@davidstevenson1211]

Wouldn't running full E85 help with heat soaking issues

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Not really. E85 helps with combustion chamber temps and pressures. But the rest gets just as hot. It just comes down to forcing all that exhuast flow through a very small hole and turbine wheel.

[@damienbrowne8904]

What options are there for rhd single turbo set ups?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Not many at all. I went with this kit because of the design work that went in to the manifold. It actually sounds incredible. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJyUoqyFg6iVa68&t

[@shoha5386]

2010 BMW 535XI , What turbos do you recommend? 17t or 19t ? What do you think of transfer case and front diff in 600whp?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

i see more poeple having a good run with 17t. howveer its luck of the draw. At 600whp the entire car is on the edge. Pistons, rods, transmission, diffs, transfer case. If anything blows at any point, you can't be surprised.

[@shaolincruz2891]

If the 19t were to be your choice.Would you go with the 6 blade or the 11 blade ? What are the benefits ? Thanks in advance

[@chrisrobles2012]

6 blade is for higher end HP with a loss of lower end spool. 11 blade will have less flow at high end but will spool up quickly on the lower end.

[@shaolincruz2891]

@@chrisrobles2012 thank you Chris

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

6 blade, i have my doubts in regards to what level the china ones are balanced to. Yes they are balanced, but how well are they ballaced is another matter. The 6 blade wheels should be lighter and balancing will be less crucial.

[@shaolincruz2891]

@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks for the input,was about to buy a brand new set locally for 700$.But there 11 blade.I’m just going to order the 17t’s.500 wheel is enough,for now.

[@nabeelbhyat7854]

Question, which mhd tune do you use if running 17T's?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

You must use a custome tune to be safe. All MHD OTS maps will overboost upgraded turbos.

[@dokterkarel]

are there other "budget" turbo options that have larger exhaust housings?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Not that i am aware of.

[@dokterkarel]

@@ZeroTo60Tube sorry to bother you again , but am I correct if you conclude that these turbo's are fine, except for the fact that the exhaust housing is too smal and therefore not a good option for huge amount of hp because of exhaust temp issues?

[@4amigofilms51]

Me 13-14k into my car without touching my turbos yet *im not crying*

[@greggrobo82]

Did I hear somewhere that you guys are going to be selling RHD single turbo kits? How do I find out more???? I want one now 😃

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Possibly if the kit is as good as it should be once tested. However I need to worn you this won’t be a cheap kit. It will be the best spooling kit out there. Not going for all out performance but more so twin like spool with 900hp at the crank. Ultimate kit for a stock motor.

[@greggrobo82]

@@ZeroTo60Tube That is exactly what I’m looking for. Happy to pay for quality product that has been tested properly. I would happily be a test bunny for the kit 😂

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@greggrobo82 well hopefully i will have my test kit in August. I have already got one person inline. There will be around 15 beta test kits that go out in total. But dont get excited just yet. Need to make sure they dont set anything on fire. Its a very complex equal length twin scroll manifold. And with RHD is tight, very tight. Test kits are all being ceramic coated but heat management will be cruicial.

[@dirkdiggler9082]

Got any 17t's for sale?Or smaller still in good cond?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Sorry no

[@danielanderson9118]

I’ve daily’d my 335i on 17Ts for 18 months now, never had any drama. I did start from a rebuilt motor. Haven’t had a single issue. I’m just on MHD stage 2+. Turbos we’re $1400, everything else to set the car up around $10k

[@donwingchun]

Needs a custom tune not OTS, that will have throttle closures all over the shop otherwise

[@drfrog4]

How does it do with the mhd ots?

[@danielanderson9118]

@@drfrog4 runs great, super fast for a daily. im sure if i went custom tune i could squeeze out more power but never really felt the need.

[@georgealmerco4159]

Where you buy the 17ts? I need some help man my turbos are about to be gone and I was looking oem ones but I might as wel upgrade my turbos for about the same price and do maintenance

[@danielanderson9118]

@@georgealmerco4159 i purchased my 17ts off of Ebay. they were around $1800 AUD landed. ive done around 30,000 kms on them and still dont have any wastegate rattle or issues. if youre going to the effort of replacing turbos, you may as well do inlets and upgrades on the components that are much more accessible while the turbos are out. and also oil lines.