Best Rinseless Wash User Experience Testing

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[@diydetailofficial]

Thank you for doing all of the work. The shine portion of wash and shine on the label is making reference that once your vehicle is washed it allows your existing protection it to shine through. It leaves nothing behind. Our dilution ratio for other uses is the same for everything 256/1

[@ForensicDetailing]

Historically Wash and Shine with car cleaning products means it has shine in it. At least in the UK market its how some car wash places also tier their packages you can get the standard wash or you can get the wash and shine. You also cannot predict the state of the car, some cars aint gonna shine after you clean them because the paint its woefull or in need of clay and polish etc.. I talk about this a bit more in the final video. But again its feedback that can be discarded or acted on. But I really like to know if these products leave stuff behind. You can remove any doubt by removing the wash and shine bit and stating on the label it leaves nothing behind. You would then be one of few that get that bit right.

[@tafl-9198]

Just remove the “shine” already 😅

[@BuffSquadBigBenni]

Jons points are very valid.

[@themikeroberts]

​@@ForensicDetailingIn the US, a lot of car wash places also use "wash and shine" to refer to a wash package that includes a sealant.

[@rooboy99]

​@@ForensicDetailingi agree on the use of shine. A regular Joe might assume that this has some kind of sealant/wax/stuff in it that adds gloss. However, being an avid user of DIY DETAIL rinseless, it keeps my car shining 😊

[@IamDetailedAF]

You my friend are on another level when it comes to testing and being genuine. Thank you for what you do. I do have come to realize that the small differences from "BEST" are so small. A lot of amazing products out now that really are simply amazing. Excited to see your results.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Thx M8. Yer I've been obsessing over this rinseless stuff. Most of them are around 90% water which blew my mind. That's why it's very hard to see gauge any difference in them. Because the active ingredients level is already low before you mix them, after you mix them it's like miniscule.

[@IamDetailedAF]

@@ForensicDetailing EXACTLY!!!

[@miscellaneous5215]

I've used quite a few of the latest RW's and DiY is my current favorite. Exceptional cleaner, leaves nothing behind and flashes off for a nice easy dry. You're really picking nits at this level though as they all work pretty well with a few exceptions.

[@ForensicDetailing]

you hit the nail on the head yer. they all work :) its like trying to grade or seperate normal car soaps.

[@wilsontam2399]

I have used the wolfgang puck pink rinseless wash and can attest that it doesn't dye your microfiber towels pink. It leaves paint quite slick and glossy.

[@jurre9892]

Yes! Cleaning my floors at the moment with P&S Absolute and was looking for something to listen to. Great timing to post this 😁👍

[@Ulinoodle]

One of my favorite off label uses lol😂 I really am not a fan of Absolute for my washing anymore but I can’t just waste it. So floor cleaning it is😂

[@tafl-9198]

@@Ulinoodle why dont you like it ?

[@Ulinoodle]

@@tafl-9198 I believe I have had better experiences with both ADS Hero and DIY Detail Rinse-Less. They play better with the coating I have on my car and do a better job cleaning out the inside of my car as well. Absolute is a good rinse-less but I just think those are better overall. At least for my usage. Hopefully that helps👍

[@roboliver9980]

ONR had a fantastic ability to shift dirt off the top of my kitchen cupboards 😂

[@colinmilne4634]

Hi Jon, Liking these preamble vids where you give explanations and thought processes about your big comparison tests. It keeps the actual test video to a decent length and gives us lots of background (assuming we watch all your content). I have got a rinseless wash, but only use it for spot cleaning or as a drying aid - there is no shortage of (soft) water in Scotland. 🌧️😉

[@mikeroberts8723]

As far as branding goes nothing will beat Koch Chemie to me. Their periodic table thing and the color coding make it absolutely amazing, but I will say that I really the Armour Detail Supply as well. I just think its super clean looking. I heard that some of the distributors are out of the frosted bottle you typically see them in, and I feel like that would drive down the points for me. As always, your content is #1 for when it comes to car detailing. Keep up the great work!

[@Zenyettamondatta]

My pal uses Comfort Laundry conditioner as a rinseless wash and he's convinced it works, he's a OCD nutter and in his defence it feels the same and his paintwork is excellent but he washes his cars twice a week I have even seen him out in the rain cleaning wheels especially in the winter months. I have used ONR for 8/9 years now and its perfect for me so I am sticking with that. Another Stella bit of work John but saying that I would not expect anything else, for me John has always been the best on the Tube however John over the last 10 years you have cost me a fortune 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jeffc6832]

This is a daunting task, I've never attempted to compare any more than two at a time. Good on you Jon for putting in the work. I think Koch Chemie doesn't advertise alternative uses for Rrw as that just goes against their nature. The Germans like one product (or sometimes multiple products) for each task/process.

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer its tough mate. you know because you have used them all. When they are all mixed down in the bucket they tend to feel very similiar and do a job. but yer Ive finished the testing now Im pretty much there just working on the edits and sanity checking each product on the black peril.

[@havingtoomuchfun4806]

I’ve used every rinseless I can try, including Pan’s and Detail Co. DIY is by far the best. One dilution for everything, and nothing on the surface. If companies listed all the information you want on a label a magnifying glass would be needed to read it.

[@BananaChipzzz]

But but but Pan says his is bar none the best in the world!!???? 😂

[@ForensicDetailing]

a magnifying glass would not be needed. some get it pretty decent its not really that hard. Decent Intro, solid instructions, usage ratios for different functions. And I always worry when anyone says something is by far the best because if you blind tested these you would struggle to tell the difference. To separate these products is a challenge.

[@victoryensured7137]

It all comes down to personal preference but for me best working out there is DIY!

[@diydetailofficial]

Thank you.

[@daviegraham9293]

​@diydetailofficial I agree.. The rest are following , with the exception of ONR

[@detailit]

You missed the best 1, Jon! Phoenix eod HYDRA! Updated Version, V3!

[@hjholmes]

Great expansive video, as always. Love the attention to detail you give all of the products!

[@jamest5149]

I think they should all protect their branding and visuals by keeping labels simple and then have a peel back label with the main/expanded details of use and health and safety etc. they seem to either try and squeeze in a half effort and not quite get everything covered or just make a very poor sparse effort

[@MrGymCrazy]

Great, in-depth look at the now myriad options for rinseless/"waterless" washes. Also a good demonstration of why you should watch and listen to all of the stuff that's out there, that's the first time I've heard that story about Yvan & ONR. Talking of which, it's good to see those ratios on the big bottle, as they don't appear on the 236.6ml. one. Though it may be "The Daddy", maybe 1 mark less (obviously you can't be expected to review all product sizes).

[@WolfAbarth]

The concentrate labelling at the bottom of the DIY products is to differentiate it from the ready to use products (they say READY TO USE in the same place).

[@Luke_Newman]

Hey John, you have to remove the cap on the small dilution chamber and squeeze entire bottle to dispense product for the Wolfgang Rinseless wash. Apologies if it has already been mentioned. Personally I think Uber Rinsless is the slickest when drying and leave an incredible gloss behind, its my drying aid of choice when diluted down.

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer that took me a while to figure out I was like WTF :) but then I got there. yer noticed something with the dry buff with uber that was nice.

[@79blustone]

What really appeals to me the most is the dilution ratios on the Carbon Collective bottle and its in METRIC!!!! what is important is the description of 100ml to 900ml of water- You don't have to think as they have done the calculation for you! Its like when you are in the supermarket and you are scanning your own shopping in self checkout - effectively you are working for the supermarket! So some brands you have to go away and convert the many different dilutions into metric, so effectively you are working to sort out a problem that should be on the bottle that you've paid for. Kudos to Carbon Collective

[@ForensicDetailing]

Still want to see ratio on their though for main rinseless use

[@joevanseeters2873]

Incredible test Jon. I'm looking forward to your analysis and ranking video to come. And a big THANK YOU SIR for your efforts. Based on all those notes and observations you have, this has to be one of the most comprehensive tests on the current market rinseless washes ever done. I have been wondering how about half of these new rinseless jobs you test here worked before I spent my own money of them. I am a huge fan of rinseless washing, although touchless is becoming one of my new favorite ways to wash as it is far easier and actually produces pretty stellar results with the right products and process. Rinseless will still always have a place in my garage, especially in wintertime when I can't use my outside faucet, although I do still have access to water via my laundry room into my garage so at least I still can use my pressure washing equipment in the winter when I need it. Rinseless is by far the new "buzz word" in detailing over the past year, like the "Graphene" word was a couple of years ago. Just about every company is coming out with a new or improved rinseless wash in order to stay up with the current detailing market. Even many professional detailers are becoming converts over to rinseless washing as it is so efficient, saving time, saving money, and saving water. I personally want a rinseless wash that cleans the best. I don't want anything else inside my rinseless wash (such as wax, sealants, etc), although I do use an Si02 infused rinseless wash on occasion if the paint is really clean already, although the Si02 in a rinseless would only provide very minimal protection. I still use a drying aid which normally is much more protective than any Si02 in the wash would be. My current drying aid of choice after my rinseless washes is Technicians Choice Ceramic spray sealant which leaves a buttery smooth finish and plenty of topper protection. Of all the new rinseless washes, I think I am most interested in the Labocosmetica three different rinseless wash for a decontamination rinseless wash. That's very interesting to me to see if they can actually perform like high and low PH soaps in the same manner as a bucket decontamination wash. That could be a game changer for some professionals that were on the fence about using a rinseless wash system in their business.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Thanks Joe rinseless is cool.isnt it more I use them more I dig it

[@WolfAbarth]

I quite like the Armour shield logo.

[@BrianW1612]

Only used ONR & Carpro Ech20 here. Both work fine as final wipe downs, going over the interior plastics, wiping down door shuts etc. Hearing a lot of positives from the garage therapy rinseless product but not tried it yet personally.

[@NoFix]

I found out P&S was slick but didnt clean like DIY Detail does. Looking forward to the next part of this test! :D

[@agallion1832]

I found the same. I really liked absolutes slickness (at least the feel of it), but i found DIY to be more effective and it was more simple 256:1 for everything.

[@NoFix]

@@agallion1832 absolutely. I saw in another test the Absolute’s polymers did in fact bring the dirt up and makes it feel slick but because of the surfectants in DIY it also just cleans a whole lot better than P&S. Before i always used Carpro reset, i wonder how much that actually cleans better than by example DIY. But yes, going into very detailed things here. But i also guess its why we are here on the forensic channel. 😁

[@jeffc6832]

​@@NoFixAbsolute also has surfactants. The whole "surfactant" vs "polymer" debate is a bit of a marketing misnomer.

[@NoFix]

@@jeffc6832 yeah i agree.

[@epap1375]

@@jeffc6832Could it be one is majority polymer based vs the other being majority surfactant based? I have found the same thing with DIY cleaning much better than absolute but I like using absolute as a drying aid after a normal bucket wash on my coated cars since it’s very slick and evaporates without streaking and doesn’t leave much if anything behind.

[@adamg393]

One of the best we found is Demon shine its amazing at cleaning a dirty car with just a mirco fibre and can be used as a quick detailer after washing

[@flowinthrou]

From what I gather from online videos, the top 3 are Feynlab, Armour and DIY. What is recommended that CLEANS well, without leaving anything behind? I want something that can be used as presoak - prewash and can encapsulate dust, because we have a lot of dust here. Foaming is a bonus.

[@JohnM26-b2i]

Yes Jon, been looking forward to this 👍👏👏👏

[@brandonn2401]

We use DIY Detail Rinseless in our body shop. Leaves nothing behind and cleans great.

[@NoobCannon1234]

Thanks for doing these tests. Ive used ONR for a long time, dont plan on changing but still interested to see how the others perform!

[@ForensicDetailing]

appreciate it thanks mate

[@roger4880]

Thanks Jon. I never use QR for anything, too easy to hack. I'd leave that out of scoring, just my view. Looking forward to the results.

[@DiegoRodriguez-wj2nb]

Hi Jon, what about CARPRO ECH2o? The product is promoted as a waterless wash, but in the instructions it says you can use it also as a rinse less wash. I would love to see it compared to the others, but I guess it might be too late. Great test btw. Looking forward to seeing the results!

[@LSD04]

Testing could be difficult, one thing to look at could be how well dirt is released from the wash media, this I believe is a useful function.

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer we did this got some usable results which was cool.

[@chrisbradley3224]

I prefer DIY and N914 because they are the two that release dirt from the wash media the best. The rest do not do this quite as well to varying degrees. Cleaning dirty wheels with a rinseless really shows you the differences. I can clean BMW wheels with DIY and the wash media is clean at the end, which is insane.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Yer your preference there is something I've tested and have some results on

[@MrGymCrazy]

It's a bit like Blackadder trying to psych out Johnson about his dictionary by saying other words, Supercharged Llama threw in Garage Therapy's version.

[@livinthedublife]

Wolfgang uber rinseless wash makes an amazing detail spray slick and glossy.

[@ForensicDetailing]

it is slick isnt it.

[@luigichiappetta7363]

Thank you sir , excellent advice and work

[@vincentpauly7850]

I haven't used the McKee's, but could it be the QR code is the instructions you seek? If so, in my opinion, that is reasonable. They can cover the details a lot better online then they can on the bottle. And who is in the market for a rinseless wash that doesn't have a mobile phone?

[@ForensicDetailing]

For me the instructions need to be on the label. Case in point they are there on the other 11 products. But they did receive credit for including QR code so thats not unrewarded so to speak.

[@davefgs2399]

For the wolfgang one, remove the cap from the small mesuring cup side and sqeeuze the bottle, you may have to put it on a flat surface so the level is correct on the line 😆 its helpfull but at the same time could be better

[@ForensicDetailing]

this! It took my ages to figure that out but I did actually get there :)

[@victoryensured7137]

,,Vicious rinslessssss" that was amazing 😅

[@jpd9047]

Can't wait to see how the test unfolds! Keep up the good work, and maybe use some rinseless to wash hands and cut your nails love!

[@darryl_quinn]

Shall I become a patreon?

[@flowinthrou]

Oh man where can we find this table with decent letters or printed? I think this would give all the information concentraded instead of watching all 1,5 hours

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer so in the main video Ive tried to simply this, which was hard. But breaking each product down into star ratings in value/cleaning/dirt release/marring/user experience and instructions/on the panel experience. And then just work through them from descending to winner.

[@LSD04]

With the Carbon Collective, what if I don’t want 12L in my bucket, didn’t see the ratio on the bottle?

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer theres no ratio mate. In the ratio collumn for carbon Coll it has a X for this reason so they missed the marks for providing it.

[@WolfAbarth]

A lot of these products are not sold in your local car accessory store (Halfords, Auto Zone etc) and are made for a more pro / enthusiast customer. Because of that I'm not sure that explaining what rinse-less is, is that important, most of their customers will have done the research.

[@ForensicDetailing]

A good label is a good label. I do take your point. But I kind of think its a good thing to do. Its your opportunity to reduce support overheads answering really basic questons. And it picks up on things that I think are very important. For example Autoglym not having the word rinseless wash anywhere on the product = bad. Mckes having no instructions = bad. So its a chance to grade user experience.

[@ethoscarcare]

With so many options available on the market how should consumers go about choosing one to try?

[@ForensicDetailing]

That's the aim mate. Btw your in dangerous hands with who's selling your product in the UK. They sell 16 Oz of your rinseless ceramic wash for 25quid. But they claim it's 70% reduced from £83. Your in danger of getting the f11 reputation if you do that in the UK. It's a different market here that type of approach will kill your brand. I'm telling you cuz I care not to be an A-hole

[@ethoscarcare]

@@ForensicDetailing Can you send us a link to this? We don't have any authorized distributors in the UK and will be reaching out to them to correct any deceptive sales tactics.

[@ForensicDetailing]

it was a company called desert cart. 16 oz was 83 quid with 70% reduction to 25 quid. very weird website prices are all over the place some sort of product importer. the 16 oz ceramic rinseless looks like its been removed but they have other ethos products and the prices are crazy.

[@teemu3370]

I always thought that "user experience" was something along the lines of experience aqruired using the product. This might be more accurately named "label review" or along those lines

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer I feel ya. "Instructions and Usage" I think might have been better words.

[@bobvi5490]

Branding rating is like scoring it on smell.

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer Ive actually not used used the branding scoring. or smell scoring. I agree

[@Marc-ow3cd]

love watching your content but who cares what the bottle looks like i just care about how good it is

[@ForensicDetailing]

We're not including any marks on the bottle branding. It's a bit too subjective

[@42.4lex]

Hi, Could you please try Autoxpert Super ceramix Car sealant And give a review?

[@42.4lex]

And the Beading Would help alot bro🙏

[@ForensicDetailing]

its impossible mate I think Ive seen 5 new brands in the last 5 days people have asked. Like the battle is lost to try and keep up with this

[@42.4lex]

Its Alr bro😂😂

[@KatrinaTrys]

😂 mortgage your house to buy a big red sponge 😂 and i thought it was just me being stuck in the 80's, where a yellow car wash sponge was the washing tool and it was $1.00 or so 🤔... I just use a few microfibers & turn them over, never putting them back into the bucket... I am new to this rinseless wash!!! Saves more money that way 😂, yessss i am cheap like that?

[@garysmith70]

Hey up, john,I've just bought your detailing course. Won't be long before my car is shining like a shithouse door on a frosty morning 😂

[@ForensicDetailing]

thank you Gary I hope you like it mate. any questions post a new comment (eg dont reply to this one) so it flags up on my notifcations and Ill see it and try to answer it.

[@AlexanderMason-u1e]

Off topic from the current video. I’ve just come across the channel- great content! Is there a specific video concerning cleaning fabric seats? Or, could any day 1 followers point me in the right direction. Thanks

[@ForensicDetailing]

if you want to deep clean mate then you should use a little extractor machine. for a light clean you can just mist on some APC and with a low napp microfibre, give it a little brush. but if its really dirty you generally need to extract mate

[@klasseact6663]

In my 12+ yrs of using RW's you basically need 2 kinds, one as a pure cleaner and one as gloss/protection, find one of each and your good to go📣

[@Mark-yy2vw]

Sounds like diy and eco wash would fit the bill

[@klasseact6663]

@@Mark-yy2vw I'm not gonna argue with that one bit

[@TRK-up2zw]

Cannon, gun, lance. It is funny to me trying to market things as masculine when detailing is really all about keeping things pretty and smelling lovely! I do think there's an untapped female market for all of this.

[@dboenish]

18:56 Wolfgang bottle is what I want for every Rinseless Wash bottle. Love being able to do accurate measurements fast, easy, and clean. Keeps the bottle from get excess residue running around the sides from capping a traditional bottle after product was in it.

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer when you work out how to use it :) I really struggled but got there in the end.

[@kuba7875]

I honestly think that branding should not be part of this type of test, it is always a personal opinion ;)

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer I came to same conclusion. its a bit subjective and not that relevent and I have not used it.

[@kevkav5680]

I think the American brands are guilty of not updating their labels, ie Mckees , ethos if it’s a new version then put an updated label on it!

[@ForensicDetailing]

There is some truth to that

[@simonmarsh5007]

Thanks for doing this very interesting and a lot of work and time gone into it 👍

[@ForensicDetailing]

appreciate it thank you

[@1stfrompuertorico568]

Nice!

[@stevegreer1963]

Jon, You end your videos with a word, I believe you say “Duke.” What is that?

[@ForensicDetailing]

Duuuuuuuug!

[@GrandHuevotes]

Yvan says the reason why their RW says shine is because it deep cleans the paint revealing what shine is naturally underneath.

[@ForensicDetailing]

wash is wash. shine is shine. wash and shine is wash and shine.

[@diydetailofficial]

Correct, it allows your paint to shine through.

[@BrianW1612]

Well then Yven messed up as he often does as the description is misleading.

[@flowinthrou]

​@@BrianW1612That's exactly what local producers in my country do, there is not even one car shampoo that doesn't have "shine" or "brightener" in the description. I contacted directly and couldn't get a clue if they have wax or conditioner inside. What they said is that they have gloss enhancers that are not wax and make the paint shine but does not give protection or last. Go figure

[@michaelmarchei8539]

When are we actually going to see these in use ???😢

[@ForensicDetailing]

next few weeks the final video is ready. but will do videos using all of them as well. this stuff takes time mate

[@goatee01]

@@ForensicDetailing tease :p

[@MrReacuto]

And where is Auto Finesse Rapid, new product 2024.

[@ForensicDetailing]

I love a bit of AF but this product would not make the cut to get in the lineup. when I shortlist these I need to be able to calculate value. A lot of the UK brands dont give you the only piece of information you need as a buyer. The usage ratio, and when its not there it muddies the water in being able to calculate value. Best I can find is it says to use 150ml per bucket but again I have no idea how much a bucket is. typically about 40ml to 10 litres is the going rate. So the AF will not be cost effective at 150ml per wash. The cost per wash would be £2.84p roughly. Currently the highest in the test is 2.33p and thats already way too expensive.

[@PaterNL]

I think youve missed the best of them all, Bilthamber Touchless.

[@ForensicDetailing]

thats a snow foam prewash mate. these are rinseless washes

[@wasrio1403]

I hope you weight the scoring towards the important parts of the review. For me marketing, branding etc. Is not important. We all have the benefit of reviews on the internet that would negative what's on the label.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Yer this one category there 4 more performance but this a factor and needs to be considered

[@johnhogg8750]

Have we upset you John?

[@ForensicDetailing]

no mate theres about 500 offerings brands now. Its just impossible. Ive had other brands saying the same thing. Can only really do so many but yer AW would have been very viable.

[@ForensicDetailing]

I was just checking out the AW product. So its 29.41 per litre but the usage ratio is 1:100. That yields a cost per wash of 4.44p a wash right (Based on a 15 litre bucket which is just a standard im using for cross comparison purposes). The market average is around 1.50 per wash. The most expensive in the test is 2.35p. Your way off market with the pricing of this product, its about 6 times the cost per wash of Koch. Ive given AG and some of the american ones a proverbial grilling for creeping over 2 pounds a wash. This wouldnt make the cut john thats not me being an A-hole but it needs to be more competitively priced than that.

[@owensteele1645]

Koch Chemie is German for Chef Chemistry🤪

[@ForensicDetailing]

I think its the founders surname though Hans Koch. But thats cool to know. Chef Chemistry. Koch is a bit like the english surname Cook(e)

[@72mespo]

Waste of time. No demos just a critique of the labels and bottles.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Some of you guys are literally thick as pig shit

[@72mespo]

@ and your comment proves you’re in that class. You wanna watch over an hour of font label critique enjoy yourself. The rest of us have a life.

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer but you just dont watch it. its literally that simple. I do vids like this on various things, live style and we chat about stuff etc.. I enjoy doing it as a content creator. all you do is simply skip it rather than whinging. The content I make is not for guys like you so simply f-off etc...

[@SophiaMcGee-k2s]

Your videos always bring me tons of fun and positivity! Thank you for your unrivaled geony and wit!⛹️🚚◾️