Best Value Mountain Bike Brands | MTB TIER LIST

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[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Check out Part 2! kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5nPgnd9eNF2mNU

[@DylanDavidVindasLopez]

can you make a tierlist on a spreadsheet??

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

@@chefgav1 they are in my trail hardtail buyers guide. This was made before the new big trail

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

@@chefgav1 I rate Merida highly in Australia but else where in the world the value isnt as good. It's pretty comparable with polygon. The geo on the siskiu D and T are better than the one twenty and one forty. But merida hardtails and ebikes are killing it at the moment. Having worked at a Merida dealer I can say their warranty isnt anything special.

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

@@chefgav1 I'm very aware of the club price. Used to work at 99. However as this is a global buyers guide I cant use individual club or special prices on every bike as that would be very hard to find globally. So it's best to keep it retail or close to retail. The wholesaler in Australia gets a lot better rate than elsewhere on Merida.

[@OayxYT]

I never expected so see a tier list related to mountain biking, but I’m not disappointed

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Tbh I was surprised there wasnt one, so perfect video idea hahaha

[@OayxYT]

Trail Talk MTB ikr!

[@pancake9306]

honestly same, I'm just too used to tierlists about games and stuff and seeing them about bikes seem odd to me

[@Kakalinac]

I guess you have a bike from the a tier

[@akiraung]

Is anyone noticing Phil is the only one making video that rate bikes and bike brands in an interesting way? Some other channels get boring but phil pulls it off.

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks mate really appreciate the kind words, means all the hard work is worth it!

[@reynansalvante2681]

Hey watch your mouth asshole😎

[@blitz2927]

@@reynansalvante2681 due its just a comment calm down

[@SUPERCOOLZZ]

I'd just like to say that I greatly appreciate the fact that you obviously know what you are talking about and that your presentation style is to the point and unpretentious. It's very refreshing among youtubers who focus on style over substance and seem preoccupied with making themselves seem interesting or credible over providing clear information and opinions.

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks! Really appreciate it!

[@zealandl.1372]

“Definitely”

[@298wasabi]

Definitely a great comment. Definitely.

[@zealandl.1372]

Jon Wynn Definitely.

[@matthewdriscoll1021]

Really really great. Definitely

[@KriceMaGee]

Really really definitely really

[@geomatm]

Very nice video! I like how you broke your decisions down. For those of us who are newish it helps alot. There are so many brands these days and add in the decision to buy online for value or pay more for convenience from a local shop. It can get overwhelming. In my area there is just 2 small bike shops one with a very limited selection.

[@shouldersofgiants4649]

This is a brilliant way to look at the brands and something really relevant for majority of riders who wants to have fun riding on the weekend. Content idea: make similar value tier but only on carbon builds

[@Chanting7]

Totally agree the list, I just bought a YT IZZO, it will be delivered in July and it is really the best value for the money. I live in the Santa Cruz area of CA and lots of riders have Santa Cruz bikes but it seems like it’s more of “keeping up with the Jones” and trying to fit in. I bought a Marin hawk hill 2 last year and it has been great, bought a 2018 for only $1500 which was just an incredible deal.

[@patrickcollins6449]

Super cool list. Commencal owner here, glad to hear them getting a positive response. I picked up an XL Clash Origin 2019 for $1999.99, and aside from adding a 210 OneUp dropper post, it's been the perfect bike for me. Trail rides with friends, park days, shuttle laps, it eats it all up, and for right under 2k, the value is mindblowing. Really enjoyed the content!

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks Patrick! I love the Commencal bikes, great value and absolutely bullet proof! Perfect bike to chuck around on a few shuttle laps. Appreciate the comment!

[@ifacecheck]

Really appreciate this vid. I had no idea half these direct to consumer brands existed and now that I'm shopping for a higher end full suspension bike, it will come in hand

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Glad I could help! There's still plenty I missed!

[@R3dSlay3r]

Another well thought out video Phil! Some great info as usual. Keep up the good work mate!

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks Dave!!

[@alwaysonyoutubem8]

Great non biased summary man. Really helpful. Subbed

[@theGiver3]

Lmao love the choice of including a dentist column. The shade on that one was hella dark

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

The mondraker one was a bit harsh hahaha

[@doctajuice]

I have a dentist tier bike and honestly I'm cool with driving a beat up car for it. The car has ac and a stereo so honestly what else could I ask for? I'll put that extra money toward a bike

[@Mikem0]

@@doctajuice My bike is more expensive than my car, my car gets me places, my bike gets me stoked.

[@doctajuice]

@@Mikem0 yep same 😂😂

[@andrewayers1141]

@@trailtalkmtb6603 I was expecting a bit more of a description for Mondraker, I knew it was going to be in the dentist category but I would have thought you would have said more about their bikes instead of just mentioning the geometry.

[@christianpeters6579]

I'm assuming "dentist" refers to a brand that charges a ludicrous amount of money based on name-brand popularity? Never heard the term before.

[@xx-----------xx873]

basically bikes that only dentists with their ridiculous salaries can afford

[@Mikem0]

They can say what they want - I'm on the opposite side of the salary spectrum of a dentist, I saved up and bought an expensive Santa Cruz bike. Their service is top notch, lifetime warranty, free bearings. I run the bike hard and it's performed flawlessly. Meanwhile my "S tier" 2018 YT Capra Comp was a nightmare. The damper on the Lyrik failed within 25 miles, had to send the bike back. Got the bike back 3 weeks later and the dropper post failed shortly after - that was taken care of quicker via getting a new post shipped to me. Later after a bunch of Facebook posts started popping up about the underside of the chainstays cracking on the aluminum Capras - sure enough mine was developing cracks from the holes. I ended up selling it to buy the SC (yes the new owner was made aware of the cracks.) YT's customer service was great and I love their bikes but I got a lemon of a bike.

[@mrwhips1947]

oh there are enough people that use it

[@4lc441]

Why do people always use dentists as the example though? There are so many different professions that earn similar amounts. It just seems like a random choice.

[@josejaviermartinez8157]

So I bought a used Santa Cruz blur carbon c for about $1000 less than the retail price and so far it’s been nice the only thing I’ve had to do was switch out the chain I also might have to replace a chain ring as I idiotically tried to fix a small problem and broke a tooth on it but it still has been working fine on that speed

[@GrantSpoon]

Fantastic quick summary to help ppl with their bike research. Wish I had seen this a few months ago. Note about polygon , they have a 14 day demo as well. When ordering online without a real world test ride this is pretty important.

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks! Glad I could help out! 100% I agree!

[@06Crf250rider]

Love my Nukeproof scout. It was the best equipped for the price range I was looking at. I also considered Vitus, and Commencal.

[@kalebtran5049]

06Crf250rider what drove you away from the vitus, trying to choose myself and curious about your oppion

[@ryanmfitz]

☢

[@06Crf250rider]

@@kalebtran5049 probably too late now, since this is a year old. This was back in 2018 so I can’t remember what the differences were. Maybe plus size tires or the group set. I think Vitus and Nukeproof are both owned by CRC so they’re basically the same brand.

[@harris7772]

Yeah I would have to say canyon is the best value bikes with lots of variety under £2000 with great specs

[@hannes_-vy5zw]

I have a canyon torque and it sucks and I'm not the only one who thinks the same who has a canyon

[@superj7106]

@@hannes_-vy5zw why does it suck??

[@hannes_-vy5zw]

@@superj7106 because the axle where the back part is mounted to the front so at the bottom bracket is really instable and once my rear axle from the back wheel slipped out idk how this could happen but my back wheel was aslant and I couldn't continue riding

[@Hihopeyouhaveawonderfulday]

Canyon quality control is poor.

[@harris7772]

@@hannes_-vy5zw what about warranty?

[@matthewgrosser5712]

Damn dude this was really good content. I'm in the market after a few years away and this was the perfect video for me to create my bike brand short list for when I finish saving my pennies for the purchase !

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks mate! Glad I could help!

[@aaronburela432]

Cool video, I started following recently cause I found your review of the marin alpine trail 7. It helped me make my decision to pull the trigger on the bike, so thank you for that!

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Awesome! Glad I could help out! How are you liking the bike so far?

[@aaronburela432]

@@trailtalkmtb6603 its still at the post, sadly. At the moment I must live vicariously through you and some of the other youtubers that ride the bike. As far as a shopping standpoint the bike really checks alot of my boxes I was looking for! 👌

[@jeffloucks2120]

Looks like a great deal for what you get with that bike and there are still some out there to purchase. Unfortunately it's more bike than I need for the local trails.

[@jameswright3992]

For a new rider looking to get into riding your channel has helped me so much!

[@jamescuthel4444]

James Wright 100% agree

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Glad I could help! There isnt many people out there answering these questions, so im stoked I can help!

[@pchudzik1014]

Same here! Really comprehensive comparison! Thanks!

[@Rico-ex3no]

I pretty much come to the video and instantly just thumbs up. Great channel, hoping to see you ride more to mix up the great comparisons

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks mate! Really appreciate it :) I will try and do more riding once this stuff blows over !

[@TTLBALLER]

Awesome video! Love it and agree 100%! Also love my Canyon Neuron CF. Amazing bike!

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks for tuning it! Awesome bike!

[@samdonohoe6305]

This was a super helpful quick review of brands and values. Thanks for putting this together! Learned of some brands I wasn't yet aware of. As other commenters have mentioned would be curious to see where you'd place some additional brands (Evil, Intense, Propain) in the table. Cheers!

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks mate! Yeah definitely missed a couple, will do a part two the list is getting pretty big hahaha

[@Overseascontractoracademy]

@@trailtalkmtb6603 Still waiting on this part 2... tons of bikes mentioned. Motobecane mentioned several times.

[@clintonliem7561]

Great content and excellent concept. Just to let you know that Whyte produce amazing bikes and spec fairly for the cost you pay for the privilege. I would definitely look into some of their offerings. Keep up the great content.

[@subliminalvibes]

I'm pleased you gave Norco an A. I'm getting a demo on a VLT2 next week!

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Awesome! Let me know how it goes! Im thinking of getting an ebike soon!

[@davidh7414]

Norco Fluid HT puzzles me. Its got awesome progressive geometry, 12 speed (shimano in 2021) through axle, tapered head tube, same spec hubs, drivetrain as the Fuse. Yet I cannot find a single review of the current series (2020, 2021) bike anywhere on google or youtube. Not. One. Single. Review.

[@mazfgit]

I'm still riding my 2011 Marin Attack Trail. Best bike i've ever owned. No reason to change.

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

It's a classic! Love the old attack trails!

[@leviwilliams4961]

Such a great video Phil!

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks Levi!

[@hayden7027]

Awesome video mate, can see you've done your research!

[@sammccann1086]

Great vid mate love this channel keep it up 👍🏻

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks mate!

[@AverageDadMTB]

Dig the video my dude. I am getting back into the scene and I agree with your list about 90%!

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed the vid! Welcome back!

[@ananthkutuva3748]

Propain is also one of the best value brands because of their bike builder as well!

[@ramboexcess4469]

What a great video...really well done...very professional. Thank u very much

[@jaredsinn8842]

I’m not sure if you remember Motobecane, that old road cycle company that was bought by Bikesdirect .com, but they hands down have the best value. I got a full suspension with rockshox recon fork and monarch rear shock, WTB trail boss 27” tires, Shimano Deore shifters, Shimano XT front and rear derailer, Ritchey handle bars, WTB Pure saddle with Ritchey post, and all this for $1,250 USD

[@paradox963]

The things that never seem to get calculated in to the value equation, things like warranty, not just in claim but how well they stand behind it and how easy is it to use, also included things like Santa Cruz does lifetime pivot bearings, also support from your local shop, this value will vary depending on how much you can wrench on your own bike and if you already own the needed tools.

[@benfairbrother2458]

every video you gain 1k subs and deserve all of them. keep u the great work!

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks mate! Yeah its pretty crazy! About 1000 subs a month! Just need to post more now :)

[@benfairbrother2458]

Trail Talk MTB Keep the vids coming but don’t force it, a few good quality vids is better than lots of forced ones

[@bmxaiden7840]

This video really helped me pick one of my bikes thanks 😁

[@mervynjomission992]

I am super excited and pump up for my 1st enrty level full sus trail bike..polygon siskiu T7 or T8..which ever comes in stock..you inspired me @Trail t Talk Mtb...🙌🚵‍♂️

[@Mr.P.Griffith]

Lets play a drinking game... Every time he says "value for money" ... lol great vid. You've introduced me to a few brands here.

[@user-dd3pm8kq7y]

Great video! Easy to know!

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Glad it was helpful!

[@flash_driv713]

Just a french rider who would be pleased to see Lapierre in a part 2, thanks !

[@kulya87]

This is quite helpful when I buy my next bike. If you are going to do a part 2, can you also give your thoughts on Decathlon, Viathon and COOP?

[@mightymochi6320]

Bought a mountain bike back in 2014. I ended up experimenting with several brands including giant and cannondale and ended up going with the cannondale trigger since it felt the best out of the ones i’ve tried. Still riding the bike to this day. Shame the company is so low on the tier list. I’d think otherwise from my experience with them. That being said, i have no idea how mtb companies are operating today. I’ve been out of the loop for awhile now when it comes to mtb culture.

[@maximal1746]

Propain and rose are one of the best value brands! You need to check them out

[@JZX_Nate]

i have a vitus nucleus 27 vr and it’s great value for the money

[@walczysz]

I really appreciate you videos especially when you compare bike types, brands, and your overall take. Do you post any of these in a written "list" form on your site? I can't seem to find the links.

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

I kind of ditched the website a bit back as most people watch KZbin but I might just post the scripts for the vids up there :)

[@chasemallen1311]

Looking at buying a fluid fs1, giant trace or possibly a marin hawk hill 3 any advice ( looking for an all rounder with $3500 budget)

[@sheppardspie69]

I ride a Fuji where would you rank them? I would say a B overall but they seem to always have some promo going on

[@brindlebot]

Ribble bicycles out of the UK have some well spec'd bikes at a reasonable price - though they lean more to road or gravel. I don't work for them.

[@jiroh8123]

This video is amazing. I trust this list, sounds about right

[@elmachote8]

We need another one of these

[@ZeeMan84]

Hello, could you please post a written list with this same table but with names of companies written since most normal non enthusiast won't recognize companies from their symbols.

[@jappekapanen6411]

Great video but you forget to mention Propain Bikes from Germany. They also got great value for money and in their website u can fully customize you built. They also got similar geometry with Antidote bikes.

[@reynansalvante2681]

Keep it up Phil...thank you for this vlog..which one can you recommend me for $700 only that 29er and enduro type?😁

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thanks mate! No really enduro bikes at $700, they start at a minimum around 2.5k

[@benhuggett8812]

get a nukeproof mega from like 10 years ago

[@stevenwalshe1166]

Now this attention worthy content!

[@renedomine7869]

Thanks for your informative channel. I'm buying my first dual susp. this week after a year on a hardtail. I know you recommend Marin but unfortunately I'm very impatient ha ha. I am deciding between Giant Trance 3 29er or Norco fluid fs 1. Giant I can get about $500 cheaper. With extra money perhaps going to some good mtb shoes etc. Any final thoughts? Appreciate your opinion.

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

I would 100% go the trance, its a much better all rounder and you arent missing much if anything on the descents! Thanks for tuning in!

[@sundaruu666]

Try polygon siskiu D7 instead giant trance

[@metalmuchkin1342]

Great video, been looking for something like this for a while, one thing that's bugging me about the video, the logo on the back wass isn't straight lol

[@DcCock]

Ahhh I forgot to check out Canyon before I decided to pick up the last large Marin Alpine Trail 7 that Evo had a few days. I know I'm still getting a great bike but it's so hard to find the right bike when there are so many great bikes to choose from

[@lee.j7077]

If you can pick up a giant or merida on special there just as good value as online brands but you get shop support

[@alifallah1954]

I love canyon bikes but in 2019 and 2020 their trail section bikes neuron and spectral feel like old geo bikes . Hope to see them on new trends. Thank you for vedio

[@taurohnyt617]

Canyon looks good but I know a few people wo has some and the started to make werd noises

[@oliverlamont5239]

I’d recommend propain bikes for value in Europe and now USA I believe, the tyee is a beast!

[@gwassl5747]

yeah but the shipping times xD

[@oliverlamont5239]

Gwassl very good point, mine took a long time but I think it was pretty worth it.

[@gwassl5747]

@@oliverlamont5239 yeah i wantes tp buy one too but decided to buy a canyon bike because i want to go on holidays with my friends and rent ming is too expensive

[@oliverlamont5239]

Gwassl good choice!

[@antoanangelov5672]

Nah YT are the best

[@sambrahh1994]

Great vid phil, i love to see you rate brake systems or groupsets on tier list. e.g Best value brakes for money and performance.

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

That's a great Idea, maybe I can do a best value bike build

[@josem.loyman8050]

I have tries HASA sold by cycling deal Australia. Has good component and very affordable. Perhaps would be nice a review of them. Cheers .. really liking your channel.

[@dalodrin1346]

Polygon is a pretty good value brand

[@dalodrin1346]

oops commented to early and didn't realize it was in the line up

[@thalamay]

Got a brilliant deal on a Focus Raven. In my specific case, it was great value. But of course you can get lucky with any brand.

[@jackshuttleworth6570]

You missed Whyte. Great video, it was really entertaining.👍🏼

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Next time!

[@eddiel9846]

I am currently looking for a budget hardtail (around 1k) and have been looking for a sentier vr but cannot find any in stock (Uk). Any ideas on where to look?

[@eddiel9846]

@Ashley Hughes also wiggle i'm pretty sure

[@SaltyMaud]

Kona has pretty great affordable hard tails for the money. 2021 mahuna seems especially banging and a great alternative to the vitus nuclei - and one you can find on your lbs.

[@pierrecarriere6845]

Just ordered one yesterday ! I agree with you. Great specs for the money and its geometry seems to be pretty playful :)

[@kralev1692]

Whould love to see Ghost in part 2!

[@danielsherman5938]

I'm looking at buying my first bike. Would you recommend the polygon T8 or should I push further to the rift zone 3 ? Awesome videoes man 👍

[@rc-ateam3565]

I would buy a hard tail they are easy to maintain, cheeper, and you learn better techniques

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

I prefer the Rift Zone 3 but for a first bike don't be too concern as long as you have good tyres, brakes and your suspension is setup properly you wont notice many of the creature comforts more expensive bikes offer :)

[@danielsherman5938]

@@trailtalkmtb6603 legend man was leaning that way 👍

[@Jonathan-hq8od]

This was such a great video and so helpful. Just what I was looking for. One brand I noticed wasn’t on there was Salsa though. Why’s that?

[@davidpalmer4822]

Good vid phill ty ! Did you get to ride the rift zone just wondering what you thought ?

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Hi David, It's been tough to get a hold of one! I might just end up selling my alpine trail and get one. I've had a brief ride and it's definitely very capable given its travel, which is why I can see it replacing my alpine trail as a true all rounder.

[@Peter-zj3fl]

What about R Raymon? Im really looking forward on buying the fullray 4.0, burn ot sure if its a reiki able brand and if the bike is ok..

[@chompychay]

Hey mate, I am in the market for a mid range trail/ all mountain bike in Oz. YOu've mentioned YT as one of the best value bike in your video.....the cheapest dual suspension is AUD$4,800- ?? It is certainly in the expensive side of the spectrum. What bike do you recommend??

[@justgarethsphone9663]

Yeh I saw that, they bumped the price up on the jeffsey

[@Peter-zj3fl]

What about RRaymon? I really want to buy the fullray 4.0 but im kinda new to mtb’s and dont know if its good..

[@christiansmyth1466]

Great video. One parameter that is missing in the comparisons, however, is frame quality. Not something that the manufacturer publishes however, so no dig on you, TTMTB :-) And by frame quality I mean voids in the carbon, strength of welds, frame failure rates, QC information, BB shell and head tube alignment tolerances, etc. Also you forgot Surly :-)

[@danlee27]

Patiently waiting for my yt base 29er!

[@masonsimpson737]

You should make an budge hardtail buyers guide

[@selwyncox7469]

Would you say the trek bikes are worth the price BC I have one and I am curious if I made the right choice

[@user-iy8qj4lw8m]

Really enjoyed

[@brandonwoodard1515]

Everyone has their own taste. But I think the YT looks so good.

[@salimren169]

Great content 👍

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Thank you 🙌

[@miyamotosan972]

But u have to consuder that santa cruz has a life long warranty on their frames and life long free bearing replacement. Their bikes are expensive but I think that's a pretty sick deal.

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

What video what you guys like to see next?

[@fletchersmountainbikingadv1257]

You could do something like.. "best beginner enduro races in seq" because I and many others want to get into racing and don't know where to start.

[@lucamtb__]

I guess you could do like a rating downhill bikes and like what is your dream bike and we could get to know a bit about you

[@Willdrknght]

How about best available wheel sets for 2020 ? Broken down by category / price ... 🤙🏻

[@davidoneill2983]

Can you test different tyres like xc/trail vs enduro/dh for lap times on a local loop and opinion of grip, rolling resistance, etc. I just put a rekon on the rear and could not believe how fast my bike is now compared to the rear dhr2! You could do a vid about must own tools for upcoming mtb enthusiasts You could do a vid about the benefits of full sus compared to hard tail for beginners

[@davidoneill2983]

or how to rebuild confidence after a big crash. i crashed hard a couple months ago and spent a few nights in hospital, fractured shoulder, liver laceration, hematomas etc. I've lost a lot of confidence and it's really frustrating

[@nathanbest7115]

I know this is probably the wrong place too ask this question but I am looking at the Merida one forty 400 and the norco fluid fs3 and I am not sure what one I should get, any help would be appreciated

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Both are great bikes, I prefer the one twenty vs the one forty. If were to pick between the merida and norco I would go the norco on faster trails, while the one twenty is a better all rounder

[@nathanbest7115]

Trail Talk MTB thanks for the response it’s really helpful and why do you like the one twenty more than the one forty is it the geometry, spec or value

[@UltraWatto]

Not sure how Merida didn't make S, for $2799 Australian 99bikes were selling 140's with pike fork, GX drive train, code brakes - some of those S companies listed didn't offer GX or equivalent until $4k +

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Mainly because they arent good value everywhere. In Aus, yes an S but globally an A

[@oskarwatkinson2216]

Glad to see polygon getting high rated as I recently purchased the d6 and am pumped for it to arrive

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

You are going to love it! Such a good bike for the money!

[@islandluv1]

Recently purchased my fiance the entiat tr8+ and am very much looking forward to when it arrives. I was personally thinking about the xtrada 6 for myself and just building on that frame as I gain more experience........ .orrrrr just saving up a bit more and getting the diablo >.>

[@Hihopeyouhaveawonderfulday]

Bike shops in California always have Cannondale bikes with a 35-40% discount at the end of the year.

[@hayleypardinan]

i wonder if some of the bikes in the Tier B and C have superior quality versus A and S. Could you make the same tier list but only focuses on the quality/durability (superiority) of the bike. was just curious what's the best of the best

[@letolollers3729]

Ibis Ripley is my dream bike atm, but putting Ibis at A Tier and Santa Cruz at Dentist Tier is just plain wrong. they're about the same value for money on alu frames atm in Europe/US.

[@robthesasquatch6482]

I'm not surprised my brand of choice is S class. Value vs spec is why I ride polygon. That and well, they have gorgeous bikes

[@sonnybocalajr.725]

Not long ago Giant, Merida & Canyon have near identical price to specs ratio, but recently Giant has really upped the price on their bikes while Canyon & Merida basically stayed the same.

[@Version-ru1mj]

Recently, Giant is very bad for value/quality ratio in Europe. Only a basic Giant Talon 4 with xct forks, mechanical breaks and a tourney derailluer is 700 euros. While a Merida big nine 60 which has an altus 9x, rock shox coil spring, better drivetrain, hub, bottom bracket, hydraulic breaks(shimano), chain only costs 730 euros. I must add that the Giant Talon 4 which costs 700 euros is the new 2022 version and the Merida big nine 60 is the 2021 version. Giant talon 4 2022 still remained with basic components although they changed from shimano to microshift which is not a huge deal to make the 2021 version which had a cost of 470 euro and make it 700. Crazy.

[@ludvigcarlqvist5662]

Nice guide. There's two brands called rose and superior which offer great value for money.

[@camerondavis7291]

I got a dentist's bike! The main reason I got a Santa Cruz is because how good the frame is, I can always upgrade components over time

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Nothing wrong with the dentist! Awesome bikes, this was just for pure bang for buck!

[@Xbox360gamer5000]

Do you know Propain , and how would you rate it ?

[@mateimarconi]

I got a Radon Slide Trail with preety much the best spec possible for only 3300 eur. The discount for the bikes from the last year is 1000 euros!! Very happy although idk ab the geometry. They offer a size XL with only 481 mm of travel and my legs are almost hitting the bars...

[@l1m043]

We need part 2!

[@Joshua-jz6nv]

Can someone tell me what company's are on the a-list and s-list? It's hard to find them since they don't say a name.

[@niteryder50]

Have to say Merida 120 and Trance both seem amazing value for what you get. Trek got some great bikes if your budget goes bit further and great reviews.

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Yep definitely the best bikes in that price with the Marin Rift Zone

[@SUPERCOOLZZ]

Why did you end up going with the Alpine Trail over the Siskiu N. They both look pretty similar on paper with perhaps the Marin having a better linkage design.

[@trailtalkmtb6603]

Slightly longer reach and a water bottle mount :)

[@nitrouspeed3583]

Where does BMC fall on this chart? I’ve been a road biker for a while but thinking of getting a twostroke recently