Best values of the 2022 Bordeaux futures

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[@KH-bi1xj]

Very good opinion. Thanks for sharing your very valuable idea.

[@andrewkarl5174]

Any ideas on the 2014 vintage. I bought futures from two great second growths, and thought I would keep them another five years. Till I’m 70. New to your channel, and am enjoying it

[@thomasbain9150]

You didn’t name the two super seconds but I imagine that Leoville Las Cases is one of them. 2014 is a very good “off vintage” which means the wines were sharply priced and they offered great value. 2014 is compared to 2006 and 2008 which all produced wines of quality and value. Good Bordeaux ages seamlessly so these wines should cruise in your cellar for at a another 10 years. Enjoy!

[@jposeega]

Please share any idea about Château Pontet-Canet. I have most vintages from 2003, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 11, 12, 15, 17. Fairly priced but seeing the upward trend… thank you

[@williamhuang2976]

👍recommendations!

[@ramyquesada3192]

Thank you for sharing your expertise and recommendations. Any thoughts on 2022 La Conseillante ? Over priced for quality vs other vintages?

[@thomasbain9150]

The 2022 La Conseillante is going an excellent wine but at $315 you can still purchase the excellent 2020 at $275, 2019 at $260, 2018 at 280. That is food for thought. You don’t have to wait 2 years plus you get comparable quality at a value price.

[@StogieTribe]

So even though these wines under $50 offer good value for money, would you buy these 2022 futures over the 2020 release, which are a few dollars cheaper in most cases? I’m not as knowledgeable in this realm but I’m skeptical about the ratings of this 2022 vintage but it’s also hard to ignore the hype.

[@shaifulothman7442]

Thanks for the very informative video. I'm new to wine.. When you say value, have you tasted the 2022 vintage or it is based on reputation and reviews of past vintages of the Chateaus?

[@winemoneysong]

I have formerly revealed that I don’t believe in tasting young Bordeaux 6 months after vintage because they are unformed and you only get a glimpse not a true picture of the wine. When I worked for the largest importer of Bordeaux I used to wait a whole year before barrel sampling. I have a network of former associates in Bordeaux and friends whose palates I respect plus I look at the chemical analysis of the wines. I will taste some in the spring but my acid test will be tasting after bottling. I have experienced over 40 vintages of most of wines over my career. Those are the factors which shape my views.

[@shaifulothman7442]

@@winemoneysong thank you for sharing 👍

[@cruelreality7600]

Thoughts on chateau laroque?

[@winemoneysong]

This chateau offers good value ($35-$40) mainly merlot. Not the most complex but plummy delicious fruit which reminds my why I enjoy St. Emilion. The vineyard is on a plateau on limestone and clay soil. This wine is not for investment but for drinking over the medium term. Since 2015 till 2022 the wines are consistently well made and delicious.

[@cruelreality7600]

@@winemoneysong thank you for the detailed reply, I suppose your video was rationalized from an investors perspective. From a high functioning alcoholics perspective I purchased some 2022 laroque en premier.

[@gregorychantereau3418]

You should taste the Chateau Corbin Michotte....

[@collbackk]

Well I'm glad I bought a case (6) of Langoa Barton then!

[@thomasbain9150]

Smart move!

[@jposeega]

And the interesting Château Pape Clément 2014 15 16 17’s thank you

[@williamhuang2976]

I think that Chateau Leoville-Las Cases charges a premium for 2022 future because all the major critics gave it the highest score, even higher than all the 1st growths. So the question is: 2 bottles of Leoville LS equals to 1 bottle of Lafite?

[@thomasbain9150]

It does quite work that way. Especially 1st growth Bordeaux command a higher premium then all other wines from this area. This is because of the long history of them making great wines for centuries. There is a “perceived higher quality” over other wines which is totally subjective. When you purchase a Mercedes Benz auto you pay a premium for the status and “perceived” higher quality but many experts will tell that Toyota cars are more trouble free and a much better value. Remember, first growth Bordeaux are luxury goods and priced at a steep premium. Tasting the 1985 vintage only Chateau Haut Brion is in the same league as 1985 Leoville Las Cases (trailing behind in quality is Latour, Lafite, Mouton and Margaux). Understand pricing is dictated by past history! There are numerous wines I taste that are $20 that blow the doors off a $100 wine. But that’s what “WineMoney&Song” is about! Finding wines that offer the best value for your money.

[@thomasbain9150]

Correction: It doesn’t quite work that way. Especially ……

[@williamhuang2976]

@thomasbain9150 appreciate your reply! I understand & agree with you seeking the best bang for $. In wine, history plays an important role in pricing, not only the years of the chateau but the track of price (market factor) . Leoville LC may produce a better wine in a certain year (subjective by itself) than Lafite, but it wouldn't price it higher because the market (consumers) doesn't support it. Back to 2022 futures, I won't buy any 1st growth, either the Leoville, because the 1st growth by reviews are not their best (I paid $600 for 2016 Mouton, $650 for 2020 Lafite) . I bought 2016 Leoville for $270, 2019 for $200, why should I pay almost $400 (including tax) for the 2022? Although I like to explore different wines, the more I drink, the better I appreciate the style of the juice, specifically elegance & finesse. Burgundy is my Mecca, unfortunately the best known are so expensive. I'd appreciate if you will introduce some good value of Burgundy that are available in the US.

[@ronmcmartin4513]

@@williamhuang2976-"Burgundy unfortunately the best known are so expensive" ...Even the worst known/quality are so expensive😃. I find myself looking for upscale Beaujolais.

[@williamhuang2976]

@ronmcmartin4513 it's so true that many high fliers of Burgundies charge ridiculous prices that are mediocre in quality. But sometimes tasting some jaw dropping quality deals from the region, I want to keep searching. I like Beaujolais too, mostly, I'd drink them young.

[@MYWINEEXPERIENCE]

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[@matthiasschairer6456]

Carmes Haut Brion has 40% Cabernet Franc, not 60%

[@winemoneysong]

Thanks for catching that. In the future they plan to use about 50% cabernet franc but late in the 1940’s they used as much as 90% Cab Franc. The soils there seem to favor that grape.

[@sam9son]

no pontet no brane

[@thomasbain9150]

No! Not best values but maybe good wines! I would rather purchase Grand Puy Lacoste at $85 then Pontet Canet at $129. Not a big fan of the Margaux appellation in this vintage.

[@gachulonsito]

2019 still better value then 2022.

[@sn088]

A a a

[@GarrettReynolds-nt4df]

Overpriced so wait for the 20% drop in 2025 😂