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[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I hope you enjoyed the video, I need to point out I got the price of the Flux HiFi sonic cleaner wrong in this video its £120 not £150 - sorry about that. For more details of the Electrostatic tester I am using here is a link to it on Amazon geni.us/y0Mr (This is an affiliate link but it doesnt effect you in any way)

[@greentg9709]

That was really informative. A word of caution, however, about the ultrasonic stylus cleaner, which I have to say, I really like the look of. Some cartridge manufacturers, Ortofon being one example, specifically state that you shouldn't use liquid based cleaning methods. I believe this is because, over time, it can degrade the adhesive which bonds the stylus to the cantilever to the point where the it will actually detach from the cantilever, this is especially true of cartridges with boron cantilevers, apparently. If this does occur, then it would invalidate the cartridges warranty. So, before purchasing it would be a good idea to check the instructions just to see that its ok to use liquid cleaners.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

There is always something to make things more confusing with vinyl :) thanks for the heads up

[@chrislj2890]

Yes, and Peter Ledermann of Soundsmith says the same thing about their cartridges. He suggests using Blu-Tack to remove the gunk.

[@papoosee]

Yeah, I would 100% stay away from that ultrasonic stylus cleaner. Aside from the liquid issue, the vibration/cavitation from the ultrasonic process is most definitely ruin the bonding

[@gsherlock]

Terry, thanks for the hard work put into these vinyl care videos, I think they're the most thorough I've seen.

[@nowlistenherehifi]

The ultimate solution for static is the DS Audio ION-001 Ionizer. It sits next to your turntable and sprays a continuous stream of positive and negative ions at the record to keep it static free from playback start to finish.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I had one here recently, sadly it had to go back before I got a chance to make this video, I had planned to test it in it. I did briefly test it and I didn’t get the result you might think but like I said I planned to test it again but didn’t get the chance to.

[@TPQ1235]

Terry, very useful and informative. I’ve had my Zerostat and Diskwasher for decades. I wondered whether there were better products at the same price point for sometime now. Your video pretty much covered off all the alternatives I was considering. Thank you.

[@markphilpot8734]

The reason the static is reduced on the turntable is because the static has a path to ground through the spindle, bearing, sub chassis ground wire to the preamp ground. This is the path from the spindle. Thorens desire did make a dust bug that also removed static from the brush which rode the record groove from a grounded and pivoted base which had a ground wire which also went to the preamp ground. I have one and it still works great.

[@tomastomasek1401]

Enjoyed! Project Clean IT works fine for me. and also the lovely Loricraft machine that I bought 25 years ago to clean my records. I've never had a problem with static, but maybe it also depends on the relative humidity.

[@qj1247]

Hi Terry. Great video. I've just bought (and waiting) for the Vinyl Clear stylus cleaner brush and liquid. I can't seem to find any reviews on that brand even though they go on about Abbey road affiliated and "industry standard". Do you know of it and what are your thoughts? Best

[@davidbishop1570]

Another very informative video Terry. I first wash my new records on a VPI 16.1 wet cleaning maching with MoFi fluid. Then I place the record on the TT and use the Zerostat in a circular motion as the record rotates slowly activating and releasing the trigger but, from your findingd, this is the wrong method. I will now give the LP the Zerostat treatment before it goes any where near the TT. For frequent stylus cleaning I use the small carbon fibre brush dry. Every ten records or so I brush the tip of the Clearaudio Titanium with the Clearaudio Elixir of Sound diamond cleaner. I have the Audio Technica ultra sonic device but I don't use that much as I find the stylus never really gets that dirty. I have been using the Stylast Treatment for about 30 years with very positive results. I recently had the Titanium re-tipped after about 3,000 hours. The fellow that did the re-tipping told me that there was no decernable wear on the old stylus so I will certainly continue to use that product. Finally I have the Cardas Audio Sweep and Burn-in record. I use the Side 1 frequency sweep tracks 1 and 2 to degauss the cartridge and the rest of the system. You just don't have this much fun or involement with digital! Keep up the good work.

[@barneyrubble9309]

I have an original Ortofon sonic cleaner...brilliant bit of kit. If you can find one, get it . Dont use that sticky putty..it eventually makes the stylus sticky and the dust gets worse....plenty of reviews confirming this.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Cheers for the heads up, I don’t like how much the putty is aggressive on the cantilever moving it a lot so yeah it’s not my first choice

[@yamakawa511]

Great follow up video to your last review of cleaning methods. I purchased the Audioquest brush and have been impressed by it's performance, certainly plenty of bang for the buck. I've ordered the Sonic cleaner based on your latest findings. Kudos to you for your efforts including the macro video, it looks like a lot of work. Y

[@davevandemark6586]

Enjoyed your testing and since I too use a Degritter to clean my records, I was especially interested in your discovery of a high static charge after drying. However, as it turns out, I have never put an LP into a new sleeve until I blasted it with an old film ionizing air gun made by Kinetronics in the USA (it is over 30 years old). It was designed to remove the static charge off film. The filtered air is produced by a tiny commercial air compressor and an air hose connects to the ionizing electronics (about a 4" cube in size). I just pull the trigger on what looks like a paint sprayer and out comes a 75psi blast of air that certainly blows anything off the record and after playing the record, I don't see any collection of dust on it. I then take the record and "spray" side 2 before playing it. I also use the DS Audio stylus cleaning "gel" and it works wonderfully. Since each LP gets 2 so-called "heavy" cleanings with the Degritter, I see almost zero residue collected by the gel off the stylus. Before I got the Degritter, I saw a lot! FYI, anti-static air guns of all types are on Amazon, with many in the $ 75 to $ 150 range. Does mine in fact remove static? I have no way of proving it other than I don't have a dust problem. It helps too, that I live in a cool Northern California coastal environment with a low "natural" static level (no shock when I touch things).

[@mausermann7918]

I clean my stylus with a soft stylus brush and cleaning fluid meant for fleaning glasses: this fluid is not aggressive at all. I check results with a magnifying glass I got from an old hunting scope. Cleans perfectly.

[@Billytomtom18]

Hello Terry I am brand new to your channel, but I’ve seen a few of your videos and I appreciate that you are using testing instruments to gauge the distinction between products. Another point I appreciate is explaining the difference between cost and value, many people I have experienced is they look at the bottom line, rather then comparing apples to apples. I have much of my old HiFi components, it’s a Yamaha system and a collection of different speakers, but I need to purchase a Turntable since I’ve started collecting Vynil records again. But like many things in life I need to get educated on the technology today than my teenage years, not worrying about my records. So if I going to invest in this new hobby I want to learn as much as possible. I’ve watched a video on Stylus that had a tiny brush as part of the Cartridge, or perhaps it was an add on ??? Thanks for all your Time in testing and sharing your results, rather than someone just promoting a product for their own profit. I’ve learned a lot of things from this video so it’s time well spent.

[@anonimushbosh]

I use one of those guns for removing static from my coffee grinder. Really works!

[@johnnyg1700]

Terry, the best method I found to clean stylus tips and shank thoroughly is to use a wet cleaning system from 'Audio Technica'. They sell a small bottle (like a nail polish bottle) with a very fine soft brush suspended in the liquid. You remove the top with brush attached and clean the tip from back to front. It is extremely effective removing all debris build-up. It's alot cheaper than the Flux sonic cleaner you presented in the video. I got one free with an AT cartridge years ago and it's still going strong - highly recommended and doesn't cost a fortune.

[@ganck1147]

I second that. Been using the AT liquid stylus cleaner for many many yrs. works like a treat.

[@rickmilam413]

Very nicely done. I own the Furutech, a Zeerostat, the Flux cleaner but a Klaudio ultrasonic cleaner. I wet clean records in a separate part of the house. I use the Zerostat on records when they come out of the Klaudio before putting them into a new clean sleeve. I use the Furutech with the record on my turntable. Important note: Ultrasonic stylus cleaners were around decades ago. They had a deserved reputation for ripping the stylus off of cartridges. The Flux, in spite of its labelling, is not an ultrasonic. It vibrates at a much lower frequency and just as importantly, has far less excursion. The fluid is also among the best. A good friend is the U.S. distributor for Dynavector and highly recommends these and has seen zero damage attributable to it. Important because some, including the manufacturer of a well known US record cleaner, say they will absolutely destroy your cartridge. They don't. I know ultrasonic is a buzz word but not a good thing to falsely claim in a product like this. Thanks for the excellent video.

[@damianzaninovich4900]

Good job. LAST is a product that will make your records sound better. I’ve only used their record preservative, since the early 80’s. Even a midfi setup.

[@wouterkolkman]

I bought and used a kit in the 80s too - you could hear the difference:-)

[@OldSonyMan]

I traditionally clean the 'crap' off my stylus tip by rubbing it on the tip of my thumb ! Job done, i've owned 'record players' since 1969 and never had a problem with this procedure ! Everything else is a sign of some people having more money than sense !

[@Nigel_Bolton]

Thanks for a great video. I know Mark Baker and also have an Origin Live system with Whest Audio phono stage, which I think you would find interesting to try. With regard to static I have just seen the HumminGuru Orbit cleaner which seems to take something similar to the Furutech Destat and automate with a 10 rotation clean on the record. The video uses the same meter you do and showed a reduction to zero. Wondered about you trying the Furutech and letting it go through a 10 rotation cycle, which on 33 would not be far off turning it on for its 20 seconds. The difference being of course the HumminGuru is self rotating. I did wonder about having a guide off the front of the furutech so you could put it over the spindle to assist in keeping a set height and as you note remove manual variation. But friction on the spindle would need to be considered. Good channel and as noted above, try a Whest with your Origin Live.

[@GRUSSNewton]

Really appreciate the test don’t guess approach! Very refreshing

[@MeowKing767]

Very interesting tests. A cheapskate way to test for static is just to tilt the record close to your arm hairs as you are holding it. You can feel the static if its high.

[@negolfman]

Thanks for posting the in-depth and gauge tested comparison.

[@quinto34]

I use a brush with little distilled water, works great, all I need

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Makes sense why that could work

[@Brian-qg8dg]

Me too. But considering to dip only stylus/cantilever part into my ultra sonic cleaner for 10sec. Of course, using a removable headshell makes this easier

[@tg6373]

Great review, Terry!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Thank you

[@giorgioisgaming5814]

Very much appreciate your efforts A big thumbs up for you, your channel and the good things you bring to the community 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Thanks for the kind words

[@paulhallford1904]

Great video 😁 use the flux cleaner about every 10 records as any fluid travels up the cantilever and can cause damage to critical parts, use a dry brush in-between, I brush everytime I turn a record 😁 flux also do a record hoover but not sure how good it is or if it works, I would give the people who build the flux a call and ask to borrow one, they will probably say yes as you gave the stylus cleaner a glowing review 😁

[@cdev55]

I know some people may not like this old school method of keeping the lint and dust off the stylus. Old school dust buster from the 70's My space has a lot of lint and dust floating around so after a record or two without it I would have lint wrapped around the stylus. But with the dust buster it almost stops this from happening and has made the stylus cleaning much easier with just the brush and some light cleaning fluid. It worked back then and it still works now however I do understand some systems and tables may be so sensitive they might hear some noise from the dust buster brush riding on the LP. For me and my system / table I hear no noise. Good videos though keep them coming!!!

[@jedi-mic]

You've come a long way very quickly with vinyl very interesting. something you could try best thing for cleaning your style is don't use at gel stuff it's not good leaves residue just a ball of Blu-Tack recommended by the cartridge manufacturers. You could try a long stick fire later without the gas!! we'll do the same thing as anti static gun, interesting to know what the results would be? maybe you can tell me seems to work well for me. You should naturally dry your records or play them damp and then dry them naturally in rack. I wonder what it would be like using that static disc and suspending it just above the record while it's playing might be quite good worth trying it I'm curious because you get static when the needle is playing and that would get rid of the static.

[@andrewneale3266]

The terminology surrounding music formats has always fascinated me. Specifically, I've often wondered why people insist on saying 'vinyl records' when, in fact, the correct term is simply 'records.' The addition of 'vinyl' seems redundant, as if clarifying the material composition of the medium is necessary. But when did this linguistic trend begin? Was it a marketing ploy to distinguish analog from digital formats? Whatever the reason, I find it quite curious that we've adopted this phraseology. For me, it's simply a record - a timeless vessel for music that transcends the need for extraneous descriptors.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

@@andrewneale3266 fair point well made, I think for me it’s nothing more than a habit I have picked up and never really questioned but I think your point is valid

[@andrewneale3266]

Yes, we never used to say it when we were kids.

[@mccrispy]

I've been waiting for this review to drop since I first saw the OL kit appear in the background! Great review - I only wish I had £8000 for a turntable/arm/cartridge 😉😃

[@ralphalder14]

I have the flux ultrasonic and it’s great, but also is a bit of magic eraser. Dip your stylus into it a few times and it works wonders. A £1 pack from the supermarket cut down into small strips will last for decades!

[@slowpawstevet3676]

ok, after almost 50 years using hifi products as my main hobby i've tried nearly everything over the years - sticky cleaners, Moth cleaning machines, all kinds of so called stylus and record cleaning methods, most of them do little no good and take your money, so here's what i use after a lifetime experience of using vinyl records. 1. stylus cleaning, AT607a cleaning fluid and brush, using AT cartridges nothing works better. 2. Milty zero stat gun, this works very well if you follow the instructions, use it FLAT on a table WELL AWAY from the turntable. 3. Record cleaning - the best system is the Knosti Disco Antistat record cleaning bath using VinylShelter cleaning fluid made in UK, also using a Tonar Wetgoat goat hair cleaning brush, the fluid also removes static from new records, even after they' ve dried! . These things really work, take my word for it and stop wasting money on machines, buy more records!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Here is the thing, if you use the Milty on a table the static is different to when you pick it up - so picking it up the static will go up a lot - so that is not the best method to use the Milty - I showed that in this video - hence the points about slightly changing our behaviour to get a better result. There is also no way static is not there after wet cleaning and drying because any and all friction adds static to the record I showed that in the video. When you use a static tester which very few people seem to have done it shows you things differently - defo appreciate the comments here but I can see some issues in your application which is why I did all the testing Also I proved how effective rhe Degritter is in my video under the microscope, its brought the dirtiest record you have ever seen almost back to new condition so lets not shun what proven to work really well kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXmrYYytncyKpck

[@snowbadger]

"...stop wasting money on machines, buy more records!" - this is the way.

[@zizendorf]

Damn, I don't know how I did it?! I have been using the same old Discwasher I bought in the 70's and damn x2, my albums from the 70's that I took care of are still in great shape. Must be amazing good fortune!

[@Mickey58D]

Same here. The Discwasher does the job. I also use a Spincare manual wet cleaner, which uses distilled water and a few drops of isopropyl alchohol. Recommended.

[@chrislj2890]

What a great video. The Destat makes the Zerostat seem prehistoric for me. It is so quick and easy and I can spend my time listening to music instead of being annoyed by that clicking. I make one run around the B side then the A side, and after playing the A side I zap the B again before playing. I never thought to use it while the record is spinning but that makes sense. I'm wondering how much static different platter materials can accumulate, as mine is acrylic. And hitting it again before putting it back in the sleeve is a great idea. One thing I found with my Destat is that I try to use rechargeable NiMH batteries when possible, but if I do the green light turns orange. I guess it's because the NiMH are 1.2 V and the alkaline are 1.5 V, so I assume it isn't functioning correctly. Anyway thanks for all the effort you put into this project.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Thanks

[@robertgreene1946]

It's good to see more vinyl reviews on your channel. The Flux HiFi cleaner is just too much cash for what it is. Have a look at the Hudson Hi-Fi UV Stylus Cleaner it works the same way as the FLUX but only costs $27.00 USD I have and I like what does and I have more money for records.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Someone else recommended similar cleaner to the hifi flux which looks identical to the one you recommended. So either it’s branded different in different countries or it’s being bought in from China and rebranded - either way if it’s doing a good job for you then great. I can’t say anything about a comparison but I really like what the flux is doing

[@bilhep]

I think it's pretty fumbly, holding the record in your hand while you wipe it or brush it. Behind you you have a wonderful, heavy duty turntable platter that would do very well to hold the record while you brush or apply glue or whatever you're going to do. I don't think you have to worry about damaging the arm or anything if you're careful, but the spindle in the middle of the and the platter is a great platform! I used to use a dishwasher system with the curved brush on it, going back to the 70s. After I got more serious about cleaning, when people had started giving me their record collections from their garage, I went to the washing system with a device called a spin clean; it's yellow. That made a big difference. Also, I run my records wet. I use an anti-static solution made of wedding agent and armorall and distilled water. This deserves some explanation; the diamond gets very hot traveling over the surface of the record in good part because it's so small after a short while you'll notice that the volume of the sound during playback goes down and I took that to mean that the voltage was going down. When I ran the record wet, the sound got louder and more consistent so my conclusion was that the cooling agent made the listening more more clean and consistent.

[@alaincayer8999]

It would be interesting to analyze the ground wire of the turntable vs the static charge on the LP. Does a "better" cable reduce static or not? Thanks for this interesting video.

[@erwindewit4073]

Thank you for doing this! Proof and tests are ALWAYS better than 'I always did it like this', isn't it? I do still think that Furutech thing is one of those curling stones and looks stupid, but it really does get results! Clearly I'm going to find the cheaper solutions for my turntable. Very cool to already know what to expect!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Yeah it is like a curling stone but that is likely because its shaped around the fan that is in it so it has the be that shape and its a very ergonomic shape to hold and move around which is why works so well I think

[@johnparks6172]

I've had great results with the Thunderon antistatic brush. It would have been interesting to see your results from having tested it. I believe it works better than the Milty, which I used many decades ago.

[@robertmitchell6015]

Will you be testing the DS Audio anti static product

[@Fontsman-14]

Years ago, I had the Audio Technica ultrasonic stylus cleaner. Relatively cheap and extremely effective.

[@00000Si]

I knew you'd like the Flux cleaner! There are other ultrasonic stylus cleaners around but, much like the Degritter, the frequency the Flux operates at is more effective than cheaper alternatives. I think you're holding the Zerostat too close to the record, try holding it about 12"/30cm away from the record whilst holding it in your hand, should give better results.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I tried with the zerostat further away as well it was the same it’s always the same, the only way to make a difference with it is use it like how you use the destat and circle the record that gives you a lower reading to 0 in places. I couldn’t get 0 out of it any other way. Thanks for the tip on the flux cleaner I couldn’t remember who suggested it as there has been so many comments on my vinyl videos but thanks again

[@00000Si]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem There's another method I've heard of that it would be interesting to hear if your tester gives any different readings - squeeze the trigger whilst pointed at the record, release is whilst pointed away. I guess you could try that with the centre and circling methods. Are we going to see a review of your Origin Live turntable & arm soon?

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I will give that a try and see what happens, I am struggling to see how that would work as the press of the trigger pushes positive ions out so not cancelling them with the negative phase surely will make the situation worse but I will test it. OL review should be out Sunday

[@kevineyles-q7b]

Great informative detailed review Terry.However , static numbers don't really mean very much when they are not related to sound quality , I would like to actually hear the difference in sound /interference on the same record with a zero reading and again with say a reading of 4. I use a brush and get zero static sound interference.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I am looking at it from a dust and dirt build up on the record point of view because that you can hear if gets too bad - if everything is clean is then we get the best sound from vinyl I think that can be agreed on.

[@MagicMaus29]

Have you tried using an ionic hairdryer to remove static electricity?

[@michaellourie4252]

New to your channel. FANTASTIC FANTASTIC VIDEO. Thank you. I am subscribed now.

[@dell177]

I find that using he ortofon style cleaning brush with a drop of stylus cleaner works quite well.

[@cybot6]

Wow that was an amazing testing procedure with so many variables thrown up. Thank you. I have my own method of using the Milty gun which works every time. I won’t go into detail suffice to say that I only press and depress the trigger once aiming at the centre of the record roughly about 12” away. I do that after cleaning the record and when finished playing the side I do it again before replacing it back in its sleeve. I also use tissue paper to check the static on the record before playing and after as above. This can be placed on the unit with something like a coin to keep it in place. Works every time and no need for expensive gadgets to ruin the experience 😊 Finally can tell us more about the Hexmat Molekula Record clamp you use. Does it work?

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Here is the video about the Molekula kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmOspaKlp6-LkKs yes the milty reduces the static enough so paper doesn’t stick but tiny pieces of dust weigh a lot less something to think about thanks

[@cybot6]

Thanks for the link Terry ! You’re right about the dust but if you’ve got nothing else the paper is ok too.

[@mymusic5772]

Thank you..That was very helpful..Did the originlive turntable have an anti static Matt on the platter.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

It has a multi layer platter which maybe is designed to deal with some static but there was nothing added to the TT platter, I didn't add another mat, you don't need to with that platter as its integrated to it. Video about it coming out today

[@Rockstar1974lol]

They have antistatic ion fans on Amazon at around $50 that I'm assuming r doing the same thing that handheld fan is doing. Maybe worth testing out

[@RichardChaves-u1b]

What about "dust-bug" type products for record cleaning ? I've been using one for years, together with a ZeroStat, and my records are wonderfully clean.

[@MD-wk3gj]

As someone who has worked in the anti-static industry I could share a lot but I’ll keep it simple. You will get your best results by ‘treating’ the album while it’s on the turntable. Picking it up especially moving around with it a step or more, can drastically increase the static. Think of rubbing your feet on a carpet and then touching someone. You’ll get a shock. The same is true with an album. While you may not feel a zap a small discharge can take place. The turntable being grounded to power helps dissipate a static discharge to ground. Using a brush that isn’t made with anti static bristles could cause the static to increase. The meter needs to be the exact same distance at each reading to be accurate. A slight increase or decrease in distance will result in different levels. Think of a magnet. The closer you bring metal to it the stronger the pull. The same idea applies here.

[@Elluvis72]

I use a litte round cut oiece of Mr Propre Magic Eraser. Just a dry piece i glued on a coin, lower the arm and dip the stylus in it.

[@itsonlybrad2278]

You should consider crediting your music. I liked your selection at 8:44

[@J.J.C.JR.]

Bought a zerostat back in 1980 for $21.00 Put the record on table and let'er spin while shooting with zerostat. Did a good job at killing the static but the album would always have twice the spark after playing for 20 minutes. In time I realized there is no point to using it unless you stop the music 2 or 3 times per side so you can keep shooting it.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

It wasn't that - shooting the zerostat at the record while its playing is adding static so its making the situation worse I tested and showed that in the video - it explains your experience there as 20 minutes later the static would have dissipated some

[@J.J.C.JR.]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem Indeed. We live and learn.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Thats the point its hard to know with something like static, which is why I jumped in with 2 feet otherwise it would have been bugging me and that makes me lack confidence talking about something, so I can't do my job like that.

[@Steven-s4b6r]

I bought one after seeing this video. Because all new records are hopelessly static and using liquids to resolve this always give me some pops and clicks after cleaning. So I tried it this morning on a brand new and terrible static record. One on which my leather mat sticks trying to get it off the turntable. You know what I mean. After using your method it seems to work. No sticking mat. BUT. Then I brushed the record with a (anti static) brush from a well known brand. Result: ALL the static was back! A sticky mat included. Tried it several times. Repeating the whole process. Same results. Well … that is not helping at all. Have you tried this already? I must add: already wet cleaned records did not add static after brushing the record.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Which product did you buy? Have you seen my other videos about cleaning records I look at the so called anti static behaviour of a lot of things including brushes, its very easy to add static back to a record. The best way is brush before you put it on the turntable then anti static with the destat or milty or dont brush it at all if you dont need to. See my other videos its all there

[@Steven-s4b6r]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem thanks. It’s the ‘famous’ golden one from audioquest. But not using the brush at all (except first use) seems not right. There is always some dust after getting it out of the sleeve and putting it on the turntable. Seems obvious to brush it first? I bought the zerostat. And also as I mentioned brushing already cleaned records did not add any extra static. Only after using the zerostat.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Yes that dust can be just on the surface and not in the grooves and the audioquest brush only works well for the grooves, the surface its not brilliant. Yeah trying to keep dust off in and out of sleeves is another thing I am looking into - that is all static again vinyl kills ya brain doesnt it.

[@silkhead44]

Wouldnt it just make sence to mist some distilled water on the disk and wipe it dry to get rid of static?

[@fasteddie2413]

Great video. Thanks

[@AndrewDCDrummond]

What happens if you touch your radiator whilst holding the record - how much does the static reduce ?

[@michaeldelorenzo6827]

I have a simple question How does weather and time of year. Effects static forced air heating , hot water ,and air conditioning ?

[@steviecossar3025]

I've had much better results with the Milty Zerostat 3 when I hold the record perfectly horizontally rather than at an angle... but one other thing I see every youtuber doing incorrectly is as follows... The release of the trigger is what neutralises - it should be done as slowly as the pull. You can hear it working - and you can practice with the wee plastic viewing piece to visually see the best timings. The idea is to pull and throw positive charge and release to "clean up" with a negative charge. If you're pulling slowly and releasing quickly, it's going to be ineffective.

[@steviecossar3025]

also... 12" above the centre spindle hole! Not 4 as shown in the video!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I tested the milty every way you can think of super slow on both actions of the trigger it doesn’t matter the effect is always the same

[@steviecossar3025]

Well I'm getting much better readings than you using the same measurement meter and allowing the vertical downward motion against a FLAT horizontal record. You haven't tested all the variables in the video, so it's not conclusive proof of anything. Great to see people taking an interest in treating their collections with care, but I'm very happy with distilled water, isoprop, groovewasher and Milty ZS3. Cheers!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

You think ions are affected by gravity? I tested all sorts off camera before doing the video and there is no way to get a consistent 0 reading like you get from the destat. There is always some charge there

[@steviecossar3025]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem YES, gravity affects every atom, particle, element etc etc but I don't believe gravity is what's making the results better. It's just about even coverage, and with your zerostat ridiculously close to the label at an angle, you're not really getting the best results.

[@sztruharrobert]

Thank you 👍

[@mikesocha1734]

Audio Technica did a sonic stylus cleaner in the mid 90's.

[@erikliterature8162]

I have the Milty myself and I have had many problems with it clicking almost every time I pull the lever, no matter how slowly I pull it. It can be influenced by the air quality in your room. I notice you hold the gun much closer than you say in your video. Also, the problem with both positive and negative areas when moving the gun is simply because you need to have it still for both the pulling and letting go or it won't work. Hold it about 25-30 cm away from the record. You can do it in a triangle pattern (pull 3 times in three places) to cover the whole record. While the Furutech Destat is working well, it's way overpriced, as with all their products.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I tried the Milty further away and the result was slightly worse, defo no better hence why I was using it fairly close. Yes to get the best result would be about coverage and yes its tricky to get trigger not click. Given all that the Furutech makes your life far easier and does a better job. Therefore its hard to say its overpriced when there is nothing else better or as good that costs less.

[@chrischris02]

I don't know why they discontinued the Stanton phonon cartridge with the brush???

[@petelongrs]

I've actually just ordered a Milty gun. Fingers crossed ;)

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Youcan see it works here

[@teunvereijken7086]

You can buy a dynavox hfc-50 for under 40 euro’s. Much cheaper than the flux hifi sonic, but works exactly the same.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I didnt know that existed - yes it does look very similar just not a sexy to look at 😁

[@teunvereijken7086]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem I agree on the looks, but for that price I don’t care that much. This principle is very old. Audio Technica had their AT-637 in the past

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Yeah I believe you, its all new to me otherwise I would have bought the cheap one as well and compared that too.

[@xburgos1]

Man I hope you don’t use that ultrasonic cleaner on that amazing Sumiko Starling cart. It has a glued on stylus and it will eat up the glue used to attach the stylus to the cantilever The style is a glue on and sonic cleaners are not recommended at all. Hope you take that into consideration

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Cheers for the tip but you can see it being used in the video and the stylus is fine after. Maybe if it was soaked in for hours but for a few seconds every now and then I think it will be ok

[@Brian-qg8dg]

If you put aside that getting the stylus/cantiliver wet, thst could posisbly be a future problem, wouldn't just gently dipping the stylus into an ultrasonic cleaner for 10sec. pretty much work? Of course, having a removable headshell makes this easier. If you are against getting the stylus/cantaluver wet, then the putty deal seems to be the best option. I actually wet the little styles round brush before wiping the styles at time, so obviously im in the, its ok yo wet the stylus.

[@wouterkolkman]

You have the Degritter - beyond my budget, so I am using a basic Vevor ultrasound unit. How about a comparison? Less than£150.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

The Degritter was a present to myself last year from a years grafting. I dont think I am the right person to compare the cleaners but never say never

[@RobertHorton2]

I would discourage anyone from using the putty solution. I've tried one and, while it works at first, that tackiness that makes it work transfers to your stylus and actually makes it attract junk. Worse yet, some of the goo will actually transfer to the styus and harden, adding mass and is very difficult to remove. Please stay clear of these.

[@frankd.b.9233]

A cheap hairdryer does the same job and a very good paint brush for your black record with music on it

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Check my video under the microscope you will see brushes have a limited effect I tested loads of them under a microscope kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXmrYYytncyKpck

[@frankd.b.9233]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem Has no one ever taught you to just blow the needle of your record player, clean with your hot air lol;l you have more work keeping those things clean than blowing them, keeping your records clean is the message the rest is salt practices, I've been playing records for 50 years and have developed my way of cleaning

[@matthewbarrow3727]

I don't bother cleaning my cartridge stylus. I only do minimal cleaning if I hear a change in the sound quality. e.g. If a lot of lint collects on the stylus, the sound might get a bit muffled, so I see about getting rid of the lint. If I happen to see a lot of lint on the stylus before putting on a record, I may blow it off the stylus. I don't really feel totally comfortable using a liquid cleaner as I wonder if it will wick up along the stylus and cause degradation in other parts, reducing the life of the cartridge. I have a highly resolving $13,000 Lyra Atlas Lambda SL cartridge on a top spec Linn Sondek LP12 turnable, so would be able to easily tell if the sound quality drops. I do have a Furatech device to remove static. However, I rarely use that. I don't use a record brush. However, I have a Degritter ultrasonic cleaner that I clean the records once. I work through my entire collection of records rather than play an LP over and over again. As such, I may only end up playing a specific record once or twice a year. To me, it is about listening to the sound of the music to determine if some action needs to be taken. I don't see any value in adding hassle when I can't hear a difference.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

That is exactly what I thought until I cleaned the stylus with the machine and that was enough to know its worth doing - but I get it your cart is very expensive so maybe you dont want to get it wet, I understand that too.

[@matthewbarrow3727]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem It is my sense that the turntable itself may play a role. Turntable designers try to provide the best experience for a given cost. e.g. The static level dropping when you placed the record on the turntable was designed in. As such, the better the quality of the turntable (with arm and cartridge), the more aspects the turntable itself may try to deal with these issues.

[@Intelligentsia101]

But how did it sound ?

[@marioalleyne8559]

I have used a Milty for years and It helps quite a bit definitely better than nothing. I can't afford that UFO thing you have😂

[@luisdiego22002]

Hudson UV stylus cleaner at 5 times less than the flux. Does the same thing.

[@jonathanlake6053]

The Zero Stat gun is a con it does nothing, I brought one years ago, it makes no difference to anything with static on it.However the Ultra Sonic cleaner does work, the difference in sound is day & night,

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I have shown the Zerostat works using the tester, so it works its just not perfect, maybe you had a faulty unit

[@phishpot]

Yeah, you had a faulty unit. Mine works. Loads of videos of the zerostat 3 doing its thing.

[@phrayzar]

I've been using blue tack to clean my stylus for years. It does a pretty good job.

[@davidlloyd9556]

Nitrate Gloves?

[@David-xl9cp]

Thought this was going to be another hifi fudge video talking crap, but how wrong I was and watched to the end, just facts and an open view from you. Still the easy option is, by a high end CD player, problem solved 😂😂😂

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Thanks for the kind comment, I think you would find that I go deep in every video trying to explain things very thoroughly and if you go and test or listen to the things I am talking about you would experience it similar to how I described. I pride myself on it and put the work in to do it right :)

[@David-xl9cp]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem Well, it certainly was very refreshing to get a review like this, with some real results and none of the HiFi smoke and mirrors, keep up the good work.

[@StephenChapman-r1g]

I use a gell cleaner after every lp side I would never use liquid to clean the stylus.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

@@StephenChapman-r1g what is a gell cleaner? Liquid so far is amazing to me

[@StephenChapman-r1g]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem maybe ge'll is the wrong description. it's the vinyl passion dust buster. Many cartridge manufacturers advise against using liquid cleaners.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

That’s the same as I showed in the video, if you read the other comments people feel they add sticky to the stylus and make the dust situation worse. That’s the biggest problem with vinyl. Everyone has a different and conflicting opinion, if I break a stylus with this liquid cleaner I will know that it’s true to be worried about it. These things needs testing properly and if everyone is scared to we find out nothing

[@robertmclaughlin-b5p]

SAVE YOUR MONEY!!! I don't know why people are willing to spend their money unnecessarily on anti-static guns. Water discharges static electricity. Fill a spray bottle with distilled water, spray it on your record, pat dry with a microfiber towel, let record air dry a while, and static is gone. Use distilled water. Tap water can leave mineral deposits on your records depending on the hardness of your tap water.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

As soon as you pat the record dry your adding static back to it again, so that doesnt work - get a static tester and you will see

[@robertmclaughlin-b5p]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem Nope! All you're doing is soaking up excess water. You're not completely drying your record with the towel, or wiping it down. Since your record will still be somewhat wet after the towel, static CAN'T be reintroduced!!! It's basic science. But if you or others choose to believe that, then shake any excess distilled water off of your record, and let it air dry. You'll be good to go.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

So your suggesting doing all that and having water near your expensive electronics when you can just use one of these tools and get perfect results in seconds with minimal faff and no risk of accidents. There is only one way here that makes any sense to me

[@robertmclaughlin-b5p]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem No, i'm certainly not suggesting "doing all that and having water near your expensive electronics". i do all my record cleaning, and anti-static treatments in the kitchen.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

If the record had to be wet to stop static then there is water near your electronics. That makes no sense at all

[@sonusbonum]

Where's your Bergmann...?

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Making way for me to spend some time with different tables to build up my experience.

[@whome8192]

The one product sounds like “Fuhrer tech”. The brand name sounds off putting.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

It’s Japanese and I dare say the way it’s pronounced in Japanese would not sound like that. I also dare say the word has a deeper meaning as is often the case

[@yamakawa511]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem I expect the name is from the company's relationship with Furukawa Electric a large Japanese conglomerate. From Furutech's website (translated) "Furutech was founded in 1988. It started by selling Furukawa Electric's PCOCC (unidirectional single crystal high purity oxygen-free copper) cables". Furukawa is a Japanese family name literally meaning "old river". Y

[@hippydippy]

Well if you can afford a system like yours it may be no "big deal", but to average Joe... NO. It's absolutely not.

[@struth1969]

Don't point a gun at anything that you don't intend to shoot!

[@JoanneTelling1]

Or you could spend a couple of quid on a melamine sponge and be amazed.

[@donwest5387]

"dust build-up" shows poor record preparation

[@EddyTeetree]

ALL TT’s draw off static from the record mate. It’s a physics thing not particular to yours at all. Probably why these antisat gizmo touts always do this test in hand. Lowering static to zero is just not necessary. Life is electric.😉

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

But the record has to start in your hand and it’s in your hand for a while and if you put it on the TT with high static on it that static doesn’t dissipate straight away so there is time for dust and debris in the air to stick to the record, I have had a record under a microscope in my earlier video and I could see the dust sticking to the record as I was was watching it’s crazy. I will admit I don’t think the problem is a big one but as we are dealing with such a sensitive system I think even very small problems are magnified at times.

[@mikehoward4583]

Vinyl is not worth the hassle in my opinion.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

It feels like that and can be frustrating until you get a system thats balanced just right for it and then vinyl sounds awesome and that makes it worth all the hassle to get there.

[@matthewbarrow3727]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem I don't like the hassle so don't clean my cartridge (unless it makes a difference to what I hear). However, I find vinyl from the 70s and 80s totally outclasses streaming digital from that timeframe. My streamer, including cables, is about $10,000 (does not include DAC). My turntable, phonostage, and cables is at the $50,000 level. ie. I have a very resolving system for both vinyl and streaming so the difference in sound quality is quite obvious.

[@mikehoward4583]

@@matthewbarrow3727 I don't stream cds and sacd only. Plus they take up less space.

[@DavidMander-rs4uk]

Why buy even that when you could just buy CDs and play them?!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Why would anyone want to listen to CD's in 2024 - streaming gives a much better experience. Vinyl is about having a different experience. By choosing to listen to CD your making a choice for a lack of convenience just the same in a different package.

[@erkyperky1387]

I still buy cds and i think its because i like to have it in my hands, open it up and place it on the tray, and it belongs to me. Also i think its far more superior than streaming because it gives you 16bit/44.1KHz and thats all you need. @@PursuitPerfectSystem

[@donwest5387]

"brand-new" records need to be cleaned

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I have made 3 videos about this going into extreme detail under a microscope and more. Maybe check them out

[@cameraplus7233]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem I agree. I don't buy many brand new LPs, as I try to pick up original 1st pressings from the '60s. I have to say that new LPs are typically in a really shocking state from dust & paper sleeve junk & that's even before you consider the static that's on them. Micheal Fremer has done quite a few pressing plant tour videos & he quite right states that these plants are simply factories that have loads of dust in them & are not "clean rooms".