Best Way To Use Conditional Finality's Hidden Interaction

[@CoolGuyGames]

Trace is the next weapon, but have some of the exotics too. Speedloaders first up on those.

[@kapthas59]

Can you please do the neumuna pulse? No one seems to understand the possible power of enchanced hip fire grip on a high impact pulse.

[@knight_storm390]

Don't forget to mention it's the teamwork version of Dragon's Shadow.

[@samlasalle3853]

Seems like shotgun + briars is basically a revamped version of bait and switch on cataclysmic.

[@thejmiester14]

The shotgun also adds a stack of and benefits from the other raid weapons' origin trait, Harmonic Resonance, despite it not being listed on the shotgun itself

[@MumboJumboZXC]

The origin trait sucks though

[@PhantomSeb]

No it doesn't? The Harmonic Resonance buff doesn't go up to X2 if you only have the shotgun and one other raid gun...not sure where that's coming from

[@thejmiester14]

@@PhantomSeb that's not what I said. I said it adds a stack *as any other raid weapon would*, not that it gives some kind of extra bonus stack. You get x2 with it and two other raid weapons equipped, and it bumps the handling and reload of the exotic in turn. Simple as that.

[@thejmiester14]

@@MumboJumboZXC no it does not. The handling and reload boost are both substantial at x2, and useful pretty much anywhere in the game.

[@PhantomSeb]

@@thejmiester14 then read my comment again... because I said the shotgun (exotic) with only ONE other raid weapon does not make the buff on screen say X2. It will still only say Harmonic Resonance not Harmonic Resonance X2

[@GeremyG]

This is where I’d put my Conditional Finality… IF I HAD ONE.

[@dankerbell]

me

[@oaktownog]

Exactly

[@JonnBell]

Imagine not having it tho KEKW

[@xdifficultviper9916]

Do the triumphs they definitely help, got mine this week and so did like 3 other of my raid group. We have all the encounter triumphs, the first challenge, and same class for reference

[@beermeplease]

@@xdifficultviper9916all confirmation bias. A few of us have done every triumph up till now including flawless and only one person had it drop for them. I don’t think the triumphs do much. We need more time for data to be collected to see how the triumphs help but right now I don’t believe they do much.

[@TheRandomguy800]

Dark warlock glimmer gang

[@camgor4048]

We love casting supers

[@keymstr3110]

​@@camgor4048 ikora faded off that volatile void energy pack

[@novvalux6693]

💀💀💀

[@KipVelcrono]

​@@keymstr3110 smoking in that black garden grown vex milk paracausal pack. This that shit that made Asher Mir into a vex harpy.

[@elliottirizarry7904]

Some call the fire department! We just nova bombed the tower 😏

[@Kevin_7345]

You gotta try the raid exotic with gunpowder gamble on hunter, using the fragment that makes ignitions larger, and put double ashes to assets. You get huge explosions and gunpowder gamble counts as an ignition and a grenade kill. If you want to go all out you can then also put the fragments that give grenade energy from ignition kills, orbs of light from ignition kills, and a firepower mod. You make a lot of orbs of light and get even more grenades, I have been loving that build so much

[@typhoon37351]

Would love to try this If I had the exotic but it wont drop for me xd

[@g_od2080]

What exotic armour did you use with this.

[@Kevin_7345]

@@g_od2080 I switched between celestial night hawk, and shards of galanor. You can really use any exotic but I really want to try it with Caliban’s hand but I don’t have that exotic

[@WeLoveAspect]

Conditional also activates Harmonic Resonance as well, using just the Trace alone won't have it active, but using Conditional and the Trace it activates.

[@Helloimlux]

I had a dream the gun got a catalyst that let you have 5 rounds per barrel for igniting frozen enemies

[@clayless8701]

imagine all 5 rounds do a diff elemental damage

[@Davidpoland2005]

​@@clayless8701basically the unicorn shotgun from borderlands

[@neykoucing]

@@clayless8701 cant believe we weaponized nezarec's eyes

[@1chill_623]

If it had a catalyst it’d be more likely to be 4 or it wouldn’t be a even number between Stasis and Solar shots

[@Helloimlux]

I think what I would want is the doom super shotgun meathook

[@Fluffy_Frogurt]

God, I forgot that frenzy used to be 20%

[@CoolGuyGames]

Miss it tbh

[@hesitaate496]

i have briars crafted, the combo with conditional giving a stack of harmonic is nice, but paracausal is kinda situational with it which makes it a tough choice. if you're doing short, bursty damage or getting kills with briars then paracausal is great; instant 20% bonus for 7 seconds, no waiting around for focused fury or hir to proc, and if you're downing big targets you keep retaining that 20%. but as soon paracausal's bonus goes away after 7 seconds and you need to reproc with either conditional, briars, or even an ability, your dps is in the tank, making this combo not as desirable for longer damage phases like oryx or taniks, especially with lfrs struggling to compete already. meanwhile, focused fury takes 3 bursts to proc if you're perfect, then retains its damage bonus for 11 seconds, during which time you can refresh the timer with any 9 crit bolts. since lfr's only real niche left is long sustained damage phases, i'm leaning towards keeping reconstruction+focused fury, and if i want burst damage ill use rockets or a paracausal koraxis whenever i get that crafted.

[@thegymteachersgrandma]

This. Paracausal affinity is nice, but mostly only for the non heavy weapons. Also, briars with focused and recombination slaps hard

[@randomgamer4458]

It activates the raid origin trait on other raid weapons when you have it equipped as well.

[@LysLilyRose]

Did you take 8 minutes to tell us the fire damage and the stasis damage proc affinity ?

[@phreshphil4618]

LMAOOO

[@FRAG0735]

I use the GL with the Auto Rifle. Gets Rewind and Target lock for easy add clear. Will only get better with the 25% buff. Shreds in DPS the GL with EL and PA active absolutely melts and you can run 3 strand boosts.

[@theknight660]

Conditional finality for most purposes is a solar weapon. To make orbs solar siphon works and solar surge boosts the damage of the gun. Stasis siphon only works on killing two or more targets in that one stasis spread. Stasis surge does boost the stasis shot but not the freeze that is flat damage unboostable. And for solar weapon kills both shots work for things like refreshing restoration on solar subclasses or fire walkers for titans.

[@garyroach4942]

But solar surge doesn't boost the damage of the gun at all?

[@ItsMe-ob8ue]

pretty sure it only benefits from stasis surge

[@seriouschip]

@@ItsMe-ob8ue i heard that the surge mods go off of what element the gun is at the time of orb pickup

[@tombsmb]

What I've noticed from Conditional Finality is that it only makes orbs with solar siphon, but only gets a damage boost from Stasis Surge, solar surge doesn't work.

[@johnflory3306]

Solar does work, whatever element you have the gun on when you equip the mod will work. Shoot a pellet, equip solar mods.

[@TheArcturusProject]

WHAT this is a HUGE secret detail!!!!!!

[@gc2871]

So much more enjoyable than your normal videos. The cadence with which you speak in your regular scripted videos is truly difficult for me to sit down and listen to. It always sounds like you're a dad talking to your child. 😵😵

[@aulto]

i like this raw version of Coolguy. Feels new

[@vanderlin4966]

URRRRGH the full 9 inventory slots are making me SCREEEECH

[@GustobelGo]

master of arms but also with abilities is pretty nice, but the tiniest bit more restrictive with weapons

[@deejayy8303]

This game requires so much thinking these days with all these builds and buffs lol lord have mercy

[@Elsie_2k]

I like how you point out several times that with surges PA is better than most other damage buffs as if surges don't also apply to weapons with other damage perks lmao

[@bragekv9937]

you talk about 2x special as a downside, but we have so much ammo right now that 2x special is the go to for most endgame content.

[@CoolGuyGames]

Not double shotty. One slug and one not. Point was, the weapons from the raid in that elemntal category is the slug and trace. Trace wins of the two, but would have loved a primary ammo paracausal affinity weapon there

[@Aj-py8en]

​@@CoolGuyGames conditional Finality is an amazing add clear weapon. It would be better to pick the slug since those are great for bosses while traces are only good for add clear.

[@IzzyYup]

This man's cadence is screaming Tucker Carlson to me

[@vV_Viggo]

It seems like the shotgun will perform better if you build into either using all 5 elements with all their respective verbs at once or polarizing to Stasis/Solar. Nessa can trigger Volatile with Destabilizing rounds or with the Season 20 Artifact mod, and the other two elements can be filled in with your heavy and subclass. To take the most advantage of the Raid Intrinsic, run Koraxis with an Arc subclass. It would be like the Avatar. However, I imagine polarizing to Solar with Acasia and Briar would probably do the most damage especially with a cracked Solar build.

[@quinnphillips8974]

I've never seen a 100 rpm trace rifle before. Acasia's be wildin

[@DanYami]

oh I thought this was about the fact that Conditional Finality counts as a root weapon for Harmonic Resonance

[@whosurjustin]

While the buff is nice, frenzy is active indefinitely since you're basically always in combat, vs. 6 seconds on PA. The 5% difference is more than made up for by buff uptime and no activation requirement (except for being in combat) for frenzy vs. PA.

[@corylyonsmusic]

I've actually not seen too many people talk about Koraxis's Distress, but for some reason that I can't figure out, I absolutely love that grenade launcher and I'm not sure why.

[@treyrandall2983]

On clear 16 I think or 14... Ne way no exotic drop yet, but getting those red boarders. Started doing the challenges in seal for better drop rates. Fingers crossed guardians.

[@omones]

The challenges make all the difference believe me I got it first run after completing most of challenges 🎉

[@Emorality]

@@omones yeah they make a huge difference.

[@Sooshhee]

@@omones ive done every single possible triumph besides flawless and havent gotten it yet 😭

[@beermeplease]

@@omonesdone every triumph including flawless and no drop

[@jakalaka223]

Isn’t double special super meta rn? The trade off is that you would rather build into special finisher instead of surges to maintain ammo economy. However, in exchange you get a high tempo play style that you can take into even GMs if mastered.

[@SavvyMon4]

I’ve been rocking witherhoard + the season of the haunted trace with lead from gold. I’ve yet to run out of ammo in any activity haha

[@tyboogie6318]

It is. I use either wither hoard, riptide or the raid shotgun for primary. Secondary i use hollow denial with adaptive munitions and repulser brace (normally with a void machine gun) I never run out of ammo. And i don't even use ammo finder mods

[@jroland94]

It has always been great, but right now legendary primaries are so unviable that specials are even more meta

[@SavvyMon4]

@@tyboogie6318 honestly you’re better off with lead from gold. It makes a huge difference

[@CoolGuyGames]

Yeah just not double shootty unless dps in certain scenarios

[@ryan5412]

pretty sure others have tested and confirmed that the shotgun only benefits from stasis siphon like how two tail is only from void

[@blueghost9289]

Harmonic resonance also seams to get procked by conditional

[@SCHOKOtony]

heyo! what shader are you using for the armor? insane drip.

[@asher3240]

Does the raid exotic count for the raid weapon origin trait? Just wanted to know if there is synergy there as well.

[@jordanreavis8163]

yes

[@dashekboone]

I was really hoping you was going to say that paracausal affinity would proc on the new the shotgun gun because of the perk names

[@BowPlayKay]

Solid video Blue Guy!

[@xavier_arai]

I was running the exotic shotty, BaR, and the crafted linear (leveling it up) and noticed the origin traits applies w/ the shotty

[@happilyisolated]

Holy damn that gun is gorgeous.

[@walkeronegaming]

that full inventory makin me nervous

[@MsLegendd]

Great video make more about raid guns

[@7.3Chopzilla]

Nah cuz chain reaction and hatchling is crazy

[@Knifykat]

bro... how you live with full inventory and new item notifications flashing below your character, had to watch twice cause i couldn't hear over what my eyes had to endure, thanks for the vid and info!

[@blackstreak02]

thanks coolguy

[@ragincanehdian5925]

I enjoy running it with stasis warlock/coldsnap grenades.

[@dropkick2747]

I’ve got that CoolGuy RNG. 2 clears and I got the shotty. 😂

[@resentfusion5634]

Thanks for the video glhf

[@numedrake]

just a side note its increased damage or a + not more or (x) bungie hates multipliers there are few sources of More and tend to only apply to melee

[@heaych]

Can’t really comment, that damned shotgun won’t drop even with the flawless triumph done

[@Vulkanodox]

this argument is stupid since other damage perks for boss dps are much easier to proc and don't need an add to be killed. "with 3 surges it is more damage than target lock" of course it is because you have 3 surges. 3 surges with target lock though is better than 3 surges with paracausal affinity. Rampage x2 is 21% damage increase. So it is an easier to proc rampage but with less damage potential. nobody would ever go into a dps phase with rampage lol

[@abqxillia2044]

Paracausal affinity is literally master of arms from the recluse but slightly more balanced

[@user-ux4gu2lh8c]

Uhh I feel like I'm missing something. What does the shotgun have to do with the other weapons?

[@Akwardave]

Am I missing something, or is this essentially just a more specific version of Harmony? They're both 20% extra damage, and they both take a perk slot on your heavy, and both require a kill to proc. It's cool tech that Conditional can do this, I guess!-- can Osmosis guns to it too?

[@tuoritto]

If you mean guns with osmosis procced activating paracausal affinity on other guns, then... Yes, it should, i theory. Don't really have any to try it out, but it seems a bit superfluous in this case. Usually using a grenade will already net a kill or few, and that will proc PA by itself, and as I recall osmosis lasts until you stow the gun, so when you switch to PA, you'll lose osmosis. Kinda weird for that. As for Harmony, yes, kinda! Buuut it also includes the kills from the gun itself, so it's more like Rampage+Harmony, but slightly conditional. Getting a kill with a weapon with PA already procs it, but also getting a kill with another weapon of the same elemental affinity (either Light: Solar, Arc and Void; or Dark: Stasis and Strand, currently), or just your abilities of the same affinity will also activate the perk. It's a pretty convoluted perk, but actually a very good one

[@Quantum_Magnus]

@@tuoritto essentially, Paracausal Affinity is a nerfed Master of Arms perk.

[@tuoritto]

@@Quantum_Magnus Don't really know what it does, sorry! Is that the one on Recluse? Didn't play back then

[@tuoritto]

@@Quantum_Magnus Don't really know what it does, sorry! Is that the one on Recluse? Didn't play back then

[@Ochobi_8bit]

How much dies each weapon surge mod give?

[@Florian.Hubold]

10% for 1, 17% for 2 and 22% for 3 mods in PVE. 3% for 1, 4.4% for 2 and 5.5% for 3 in PVP.

[@sgtsevensixtwo4836]

Ok so question: everything you’re doing here is on a LIGHT subclass. If you’re on a DARK subclass, would it still proc the damage buff to the heavy GL and the solar linear?

[@TheBadger]

Yes, it has both Light and Dark damage built in so it counts for both.

[@jadeviper1290]

Subclass is irrelevant for the buff. The buff procs off weapon or ability kills so you can be on any light/dark subclass but your ability kills will only buff light/dark weapons.

[@sgtsevensixtwo4836]

Thanks!

[@Uhaneole]

I figured it out… next expansion they’re going to replace kinetic with pure paracausal energy…

[@Nick_Ramburn]

Instead of the shotgun would it work with an osmosis kinetic weapon?

[@American_Devil]

Got it last night on my 6th run

[@Fr0styFriend]

Which surge mods work on Finality? Do I need Stasis and Solar Surge mods or is it coded as just solar or just stasis?

[@nomorestasis2915]

Just stasis

[@johnflory3306]

Nope, it takes whatever you equip when the gun matches that element. If you shoot a pellet so the gun is solar, it takes solar mods.

[@FunkyTurkeyRabbit6135]

Does this weapon drop out of the chest or does it automatically go to inventory because if its inventory I can just know immediately.

[@neykoucing]

automatically go to inventory, the moment nezarec pops

[@jvs833]

bro forgot harmony exists

[@thadthethicc]

Make that kid you sold your GPU to play destiny 😈

[@Lee-qq4rb]

Can the shotgun get the dps boost of patacausal from other weapons?

[@Puufh]

i thought adrinaline junky was the highest buff on weapons in the whole game. huh??

[@davidmcdevitt7583]

Your guides are usually great and to the point, but man did this video feel like it was intentionally wasting my time. It takes you over 3 minutes to mention what the "hidden perk" even is, then the rest is just the most surface level analysis of what the perk can do for you with other weapons. Doesn't even mention that harmonic resonance is present on the shotgun. Really feels like a lazy, under-researched video, which is rare for you.

[@AndrewOnYoutube]

Guy, you are so cool

[@ShaoShaoMienshao]

Sorry my guy but I can't think of a practical application for using Finality together with the Linear when it comes to boss or even champ DPS... Being tethered to a short-range shotgun for that damage buff is brutal. Much more use out of the Trace Rifle on average.

[@vectorfox4782]

Hunter Caliban / Gunpowder Gamble Gang

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

I wish we had an energy slot primary from this raid to pair with the shotgun in PvP. In PvE I will happily pair it with the trace rifle. I absolutely love this shotgun. When I got it (day 1 first clear, yes I want to brag about it) I didn't think I would love this thing. I thought it might be another eyes of tomorrow or Touch of Malice situation where it would just take up a vault space. But nope I have been using this thing in every activity. I love this shotgun. I do hope it gets a catalyst or buff or something. I would love to have more range or a larger magazine but that kinda ruins the double barrel shotgun fantasy. Or maybe we could get a catalyst that is like Izinagis where holding reload combines the 2 shots into one powerful slug that freezes and ignites on the same shot. I'm kinda upset we didn't get an ornament for it since touch of Malice, collective obligation, heartshadow, vex, and eyes of tomorrow ALL came out with an ornament when they were added to the game.

[@pirate_duck4985]

I like how you think good sir! Super Slug Catalyst! Ice Shards & Flames flying everywhere from one shot!

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

​@@pirate_duck4985 It would be really awesome. But I don't think we will ever see a catalyst for this. Unless we get a destiny 3.

[@TaxableBuckley]

Has this been patched?

[@shade_fox3175]

Ok but can you talk more about the shotgun

[@rickybobby5153]

Yeeee just got it

[@SirHazardous]

Im not sure if Conditional Finality will proc Paracausal Affinity for darkness weapons. This is because of its interaction with solar siphon. The coding for the gun seems like somewhat of a mess but also makes sense. Solar siphon will create orbs both on the stasis shot and solar shot. However, only stasis surge mods will buff the damage of it. It will buff everything, both shots and even the ignition. So, point is, I believe the game sees it as a stasis weapon that deals solar damage. Therefore, I'm not sure if it would proc Paracasual Affinity for the strand gl. I may be wrong, but it's worth testing.

[@zekerdeath]

you lost me at "if you have the shotgun"

[@TheMrrccava]

Definitely hate that this is a raid exotic. Every time I see something cool that makes me wanna come back to destiny it slaps me back in the face and says "farm the raid with no friends that play destiny bitch" and I immediately stop looking at any thing destiny related.

[@cantbearpuns7439]

Jum--cuts.

[@lumas69]

Hear me out though. Double shotgun if it can roll one two punch And you're a melee build

[@mr.goochthethird1222]

One two got nerfed to the ground a couple months back...

[@sayarimamani3605]

One two punch is useless now

[@willkohnen7681]

My exact loadout right now

[@azure_paladin4706]

I am honestly thinking about spending the 40$ to get my warlock and hunter up to speed. That way I have 3 chances for the raid shotgun.

[@jordanreavis8163]

I did, 100% not gonna do the campaign 2 more times except for those zero to hero missions cuz they give a ton of red borders

[@mickeymckibbles613]

The way this guy talks someTIMES get me a little upSET. His reVIEWS have an upward inflICTION.

[@rickiboulter3053]

It's so secret I can't use it. Because I don't have it lol

[@johnnymetonymic]

They need to add another shot that jolts.

[@deejayy8303]

Might be a catalyst coming soon for that 🤔

[@RojoDawg31]

Would prob be a void debuff cause nezerac is all abt that void

[@PhantomSeb]

Not sure where you're getting those weapon surge numbers from but I'm pretty sure they're wrong. 1 mod is 10 percent, 2 is 17 and 3 is 22. So at most it'll be a 42% buff with that perk. Multiple PvE D2 KZbinrs have been going off those numbers so I'd imagine that's correct

[@ethandeis7427]

It’s multiplicative…

[@PhantomSeb]

@@ethandeis7427 I thought that normal mean it gets bumped down? Maybe I'm the stupid one LOL

[@PhantomSeb]

Normally* damn autocorrect

[@Aj-py8en]

1.2 * 1.22 = 1.46

[@PhantomSeb]

@@Aj-py8en ah fair enough! I'm happy to be wrong lol

[@WaveRat2000]

CoolGuy notice me! Please overview immortal target lock with your radiant frostees build. I’m alright but I’m no CoolGuy when it comes to showing it off but I believe it’s the most slept on build hands down in the meta rn.

[@AoD78R]

Surge mods are useless in PvP

[@jj_joergensen2200]

Algorithm

[@lycceto]

this weapon seems a bit of a technical mess. whether it works with stasis or solar mods depnds on the mod type, the stasis shot gives the light damage buff but the solar doesn't give dark, and the stasis shot will also pop solar shields. load of nonsense love the stupid thing

[@evilgibson]

yawn

[@Iliketrains7_s]

Sub 1 minute gang

[@chillyallday]

First

[@chillyallday]

Yea biggest thing like you said in the video, I wish there was a Raid Primary in the Energy slot to pair with the Shotty.

[@WeLoveAspect]

@@chillyallday Just use the Trace, double special is the go to right now and Acasia's is basically a primary anyway. Rewind Rounds with Incandescent is the go to for ad-clear.

[@NobleVI_343]

@@WeLoveAspect i hate trace rifles