Lucky Pants vs Shinobu's Vow (Build Battles Episode 13) | Destiny 2 Gambit

[@elitaylor109]

As one of the few gambit players left, I miss gambit prime and the armor sets.

[@mitchellg6242]

100% feel the same. I miss having teammates working towards roles and the mods to maximise your support. Felt more competitive and I loved it. I don't like how it is now.

[@anthonypotamitis7049]

Yeah, back then Gambit was actually fun. Somehow they decided that changing the mode and removing half the maps was a good idea lol

[@Rinickulous1106]

Same . Hella miss having 3 or 4 rounds of gambit per match

[@Mariusweeddeath]

As a relatively newer player who loves Gambit, I wish I was there for that part of its life.

[@LegoChewbacca]

I was talking about this yo my boys yesterday about gambit prime and the armor was the best game mode ever for destiny. I always had a feeling of prison of elders with this.. owell .

[@Zed-gj8vq]

The swarm of bots crazy, got a Siva infestation over here

[@justinschmidt9231]

I want siva subclass so bad

[@bernardov.nogueira7175]

@@justinschmidt9231 That would be strand with unravel rounds, pretty much.

[@thunderchief7256]

@@justinschmidt9231It wouldn’t fit into the game, lore wise.

[@D2Vincent]

what's funny is that I actually do an Arc Lucky Pants build that sorta combines the neutral game of Shinobu's Vow (without the extra grenades ofc) with the power of Lucky Pants and Malfeasance specifically in order to melt blockers and the Primeval ALSO FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT THE POWERFUL ATTRACTION MOD ALSO PICKS UP GAMBIT MOTES

[@GoldenDashDude]

I have a Liar's Handshake build that uses it

[@kaavix5777]

This is exactly my build for gambit and it’s very efficient 👌

[@thisone98]

eew :(​@@GoldenDashDude

[@thisone98]

It drives me insane seeing him not dodge at all for wholeparts of add clearing

[@MusMasi]

@@GoldenDashDude back when I played that was what I used liars handshake, one two punch shotgun, then on titan it was wormgods or synocepts with one to punch, made Privemal vanish plus all the yellow bars and blockers.

[@patrickoakley7890]

if you make direct contact with the Skip nade on an enemy, you get a ton of grenade energy refunded. Just throwing it anywhere actually hampers the build.

[@patriot459]

Shinobu vow is one of the most underrated hunter exotics ever. With jolt getting nerfed it did hurt but you build it right with a solid volt shot weapon in combo with the nades and literally everything on the field will be getting shocked to death. That scout rifle from season of plunder can have enhanced volt with enhanced demo so you will always have nades versus using the nades to auto trigger your replies to get voltshot to proc instantly while anything that gets killed by the volt shot generates grenade energy. It’s down right disgusting.

[@gengarclefairy3475]

Try the “new” craftable scout Imperative with enhanced demo, kinetic tremors and an indebted kindness w/voltshot. Grenade spam central on any character

[@yojimbe1980]

Is it known that voltshot procs demo? Reading online and it says it's buggy.

[@pirate_duck4985]

It's SUPER buggy! For the longest time I didn't believe it did. Then a mate said it did, try it out & it was! Wondered if Bungie changed something. I'm wondering if it has something to do with weapon RPM?

[@MridulBiswas]

I admit I didn't think it would be as fun as it seemed here in the video 😅 I'm trying it out next time I log in

[@fudgex453]

Don’t forget malfeasance absolutely slaps in gambit, I don’t know if the taken damage and vorpal stack but you can easily solo a phase of boss damage in one mag

[@crazyraccoon8]

Best option really, I also just use Calibans for ad clearing, taking those ads as fast as you can is what win the game and obviously being aware of the invaders.

[@lightspeed-mecharena5929]

in my experience, assasins cowl combo blow arc hunter is the best build for gambit but you HAVE to have powerful attraction on to pick up all of the motes, one game i got 50 motes banked by myself using the build@@crazyraccoon8

[@freakinschweeet]

I feel like this was a missed opportunity. Build used Warden's Law, but he crutched Forbearance the whole time. Just put on Malf, Xeno wasn't worth the exotic slot in this case.

[@Rinickulous1106]

​@@freakinschweeetxeno is still the invasion king

[@Gohma55]

They do

[@GorathHyun]

About the only suggestion for the Shinobu build I would make is Powerful Attraction on the cape. Since you are going to be dodging a lot anyway, it will collect the motes automatically without messing up your flow.

[@S1erra107]

Gambit is fun and people need to remember this

[@TheGraffiti600rr]

It is for a few rounds. Then it becomes repetitive and I take another month break. Lol

[@rogerhuston8287]

Strand build: 1. I would use a glave vs grenade launcher 2. use wardens law for boss damage . 3. Dragons Breath vs Xeno - it feels like Cross was conflicted on which to use for Boss damage. He used Xeno more, so it makes lucky pants, warden's law redundent since they fill the same roll.

[@pumpking1278]

I think Xeno was for PvP

[@donalddavis303]

Xeno is really good for invading and countering invaders

[@TheZarfman]

If you're not using powerful attraction in Gambit to scoop motes what u doin

[@Welverin]

I thought of that, too.

[@gengarclefairy3475]

Especially on arc hunter, big waste of potential

[@AndrewOnYoutube]

Shinobu Vow is so fun to use. With the right setup, the melee is its own loop that the grenades just add to

[@keithgoose5124]

Shinobu's Vow is personally my fav Arc Hunter build

[@TimPlaysRiffs]

Cross took his super to orbit with the lucky pants first game smh. Rookie. 🤣

[@imberaeris6768]

Lucky pants is actually really good for ad clear. People normally save it for bosses/mini bosses, but it has a good amount of quick clear capability.

[@gloomygloomstalker3878]

Especially because it’s only a what, 10 second recharge that’s really easy to wait out with forbearance or other weapons in the meantime

[@BigOleHayden]

i swear i mained Crimson for Ad Clear S19-S22 then i got Malf now I use other weapons but Crimson/LP Ad clear is soooo good

[@eli8585]

forbearance makes lucky pants obsolete for adclear like a lot of way better options its definitely best used for boss damage and higher health targets

[@randomguy1706]

Malfeasance is THE KING of boss damage, for gambit, strikes, all that. Although I will say it only has decent ad clear capability

[@cityofplanots8399]

3 Celestial Nighthawks can kill the boss on the first phase if timed perfectly, I tried to test this last night with two other friends and two shots connected simultaniously and brought the boss down to maybe 8% health from full while the third shot was just 1 millisecond too late.

[@BasedEugene]

Admittedly, I haven’t played Gambit in a while but I thought there were damage caps to avoid craziness like this lol

[@cityofplanots8399]

@@BasedEugene There are damage gates but, if you time your burst supers you can surpass the gate, if your timing is off even by half a second it will only partially work.

[@fotis3v480]

Could very well be lag aswell.

[@briannasatou9950]

Fun fact that people dont seem to realize, powerful attraction works on motes too, so if youre really greedy, you can stack 2x and dodge and yoink a buncha motes

[@Golem-mo5wc]

My gambit build literally combines both of these. Malf lucky pants indebted kindness and an eager edge. Void hunter. Devour sustain. Malf ad clear. Indebted on envoys. Eager edge to pve faster. Malf and mobius quiver on primeval. Invis melee + dodge to say no to pvp.

[@BigOleHayden]

need this asap

[@tysonkrunek4132]

I have a permeability indebted kindness with loose change, it fits in every build my hunter uses. Indebted kindness is pistol Grand Overture

[@Reaperknives]

Glad to see shinobu getting love, always my perfered arc hunter exotic even if it isn’t as good as other.

[@ScottChatt1488]

I use Shinobus Vow as my main Arc hunter build. It's so good, even in end game content, for having multiple grenades/ grenade regen for ad clear and jolt application. It's fun to have 3x the amount of kills than teammates in a raid from just lobbing skip grenades and using an SMG with volt shot. The gameplay loop of throwing a grenade, using melee and just clearing a room is super fun. Plus the Super is really nice for Boss damage so you can lay on them with your weapons as its a 'One and done' Super

[@CampJYME]

Scout Rifles! Gambit is the one game mode where scouts excel (for invading). Scout for invade, indebted for ads, parasite for dps. S TIER

[@MSK-o1n]

Taking down a invader with parasite is also hilariously satisfying

[@CampJYME]

@@MSK-o1n so true, lol. And consistently wiping the whole enemy team with a servant leader also satisfying.

[@MBradleyH]

Warlock, strand, and swarmers this season with a weapon that has hatchling... The one exotic and class that has brought me back to destiny this season. Using round robin with hatchling to get quick precision kills and just having fields of threadlings that unravelling everything with the seasonal strand mods has just been massively fun! Enter a fight from distance launching a threadling grenade like a mortor striker, by the time you're there you have a tangle normally to get more threadlings

[@Un4gettablewolf]

Gambit is actually perfect for these videos because not only do you have to compete for kills you also have to have survivability and some pvp skill to bring a strong build together. A build that would go hard in gambit could be strong in GMs or Crucible. And when it comes to boss DPS you can see how much damage is done by your ability to apply DPS. this is perfect.

[@professionallybad126]

I would disagree. Take any of these builds into trials or GMs and you will struggle.

[@dtps_champion6016]

Disagree

[@max73916]

disagree especially with the pvp part cus invasion kills are done with heavy 99% of the time

[@Un4gettablewolf]

@@professionallybad126 well I chose my words carefully and not said trials. But regular crucible is ok.

[@Un4gettablewolf]

@@dtps_champion6016 well that's ok, it's my opinion. I've brought full on pvp load outs into gambit and they worked perfectly fine. It really just comes down to how well you can balance your load out. And I'm not speaking about trials, but regular crucible is ok.

[@EvilResidentXIII]

I've been using Shinobu's on my arc hunter ever since plunder, gotta give this a watch to see what i can upgrade to my setup

[@abagofT]

Decoy on the strand build is a throw, beyblade or die

[@ya-cv8jg]

Wanted to comment this myself. At first I thought the tangles were bugging out.

[@gengarclefairy3475]

Not using powerful attraction on arc hunter in gambit is also a throw

[@ninjazombie1396]

​@@gengarclefairy3475not using 12p + liars + powerful attraction is also a throw

[@IAmWhiteEagle]

decoys are amazing lmao i solo gms with them, and i can prove it lol

[@IAmWhiteEagle]

decoy and beyblade should be used at the same time @@ya-cv8jg

[@JasonB72481]

I like using Indebted Kindness with that aspect that blinds with arc special ammo weapons.

[@BigOleHayden]

damn forgot about that used to run a similar build in Season of the Seraph

[@ivi_lDgaming]

Fun fact: you can grapple in to the tangle without losing the grenade charge

[@raijinlmfao]

everyone knows this

[@billynahar9861]

It was actually more fun watching you do the PvE builds in Gambit because you also have the pressure of trying to beat the other team as well, would like to see these Vs builds tested in Gambit more often.

[@fransonferguson2979]

Gambit is actually solid .... just needs more loot and maps every season .... like get creative ... make more of these Cross

[@pizzajerky481]

There’s a lot builds that are super fun in Gambit. I wish Bungie would add more new maps and loot to the mode.

[@gotahavesome]

Lucky pants has a 10-second cool down I had that problem of saving it for when I need to hit hard but it can be used a lot more play clearing ads or DPS

[@EvanMcVeigh]

Glad to see you playing the greatest competitive experience in destiny, cross.

[@jonathanadamsleonard]

I love how Ross's content has become 25% more experimental.

[@V1510N_]

can we just take a moment to apreciate the beauty of the darkness subclasses. Back in the day for far too long, all i could see was purple, orange and blue, now i can see green too (red soon Copium) its so cool to see all these builds, where mostly its something unique, now all we need is some more builds featuring non meta weapons, *cough cough* Biting Winds, Point of the Stag, Leviathans Breath. 😄

[@rasenshurikenfries2942]

another great video from the master tester, always good to see how stuff like this performs in a live environment. Excellent options from both buildcrafters here, and two of my favorite builds to use undoubtedly. That said, as someone who plays a lot of gambit and uses builds for both of these exotics regularly, in regular pvp and gambit, I feel I should add, I would expect lucky pants to beat shinobu's by a mile, and also, maybe its just my personal preference but, this is not how I would run shinobu's at all. To preface- run whatever mods you want that fit however you want to play, goal is to have fun, do whatever lets you do that. I for one, hate any weapon that reloads slow, I will run loaders in my arm slot even though it is suboptimal, because I hate* a gun that reloads slow. So im not immune to suboptimal choices, That said I feel like I need to offer some evaluation of these mods for shinobus. Head A helmet targeting mod? Really? In gambit?! Use dynamo and get your super back much faster, you wil be dodging constantly on this class. Along with ashes to assets and heavy handed ,cycle between your grenade and melee kills , more copies of the mod give more ability energy. Legs You get damage resist from arc aspects when surrounded (which happens all the time in gambit, ) and combination blow heals you. Why are they running recuperation? Why not another copy of innervation, or a weapon surge mod to aid in boss dps? Arms This is the biggest mistake to me. Why are they running bolstering detonation when you get your class ability back free from the aspect on melee kills, which is constant? And in that vein why not impact induction? Although it has an ICD of 7 seconds, itll still give you more value by actually regenerating your grenade. Better still tho, run it with 3 copies of heavy handed and you can generate an orb every second (more copies of the mod lowers the ICD, 1 is 10 sec, 2 is 5 sec, 3 is 1 second). With the abundance of adds in gambit, orb generation this way would likely be far better than impact induction. class instead of powerful attraction, why not run three copies of reaper? Works the same as heavy handed, 3 copies makes it a one second ICD, should generate another orb on top of the one you already get from heavy handed. chest why are they running arc and harmonic resist? On an arc class??? and concussive dampener? Why not just, one of each element resist? Usually works just fine. What are you dying to in gambit such that you need concussive dampener?? Or better yet, why not swap one element for charged up, for more capacity for armor charge for all the orbs youll be generating.

[@Dan016]

I think one tweak they could do to gambit is if you deposit your motes you get some sort of small buff, and maybe on the opposite end, if you have max motes and you hold onto them for too long (maybe like 20-30 seconds) you start getting some sort of debuff or small damage over time. Just feels like gambit as a concept is good, but needs some sort of tweaking to bring back people to play

[@Ash-bx6kq]

Damn this is an amazing idea for a series, please keep it coming!

[@raeldrake3147]

I love Gambit, Malfeasance and Crimson with Lucky Pants. I also agree with machine guns. However, Riskrunner on Stormcaller Warlocks is slept on for combatant kills especially with powerful attraction. Part of a larger team strategy.

[@wolfgang5359]

Fun fact for you. Projectile weapons since Champs became a thing become worse with Anti-Barrier against Phalanxes and Hydra. A glitch that Bungie seems to refuse to fix.

[@theF0R3N]

We found a really good invader support roll this past weekend. Warlock with Ceno. Our invader was almost full on heavy before the first invade

[@thecowboyfromcali]

22:34 "I dunno what happened in the past hour, but the sweatiest gambit players got on". Brother, the only people who play gambit still are sweatcakes. I tried to run some fairly tryhard runs for pinnacles getting to 1810 and kept getting destroyed by 4 stacks with meta builds. Even had a game where they BM'd us by leaving their prime evil to 1HP till we got ours close, just to elongate the game

[@crescentfuze]

Regardless of the class I'm on, I've found the combo of recon/recom heritage + dead messenger (solar of course) is wonderful for gambit, use a heavy gl for primeval burst. Heritage for the chunky enemies and dead messenger kills most things otherwise. Especially fond of this setup on solar warlock so I can use heat rises + snap as well for ignitions and then also snapskate everywhere and pick up many motes quickly. Obviously, not an invasion/invader friendly setup though.

[@MusMasi]

ah gambit, where it often doesn't matter how good you are when you got team mates actively working against your team.

[@ethernasia]

I love using Heir Apparent in gambit, it can just do so much from dealing with invaders and taking down blockers

[@nonaG123]

Everyone hates Ophidian Aspect but I'd honestly give that up in a heartbeat to have ANY primary weapon archetype specific exotic for Warlocks... Titans have autos and subs; Hunters took bows, handcannons, and sidearms... Can we get pulse and/or scout rifles? Hoo boy y'all would absolutely HATE that, getting deleted from down range with a scout before you even know why/how... Maybe pulse rifle is a safe enough one. I know we have ones for fusion rifle and trace rifle but still we're down one overall compared to the other two, we're due for it.

[@josephjackson2491]

Love the first play. Although I don’t use snipers. And I don’t have that sidearm. I just smg it and blinding nades. Thunderlord is OP in gambit.

[@opherium250]

I always played with the gambit armor set, shooting the invader would mark them for your team so they know where the invader is. Back when Gambit prime was a thing

[@DarkLumina]

Cross, I'm sure you've probably been asked this a few million times, but brother, what is your playlist?? Your music choices SLAP!

[@Darth_Caedus]

BABE WAKEUP CROSS POSTED A NEW BUILD BATTLES 🔥🔥🔥

[@JonathanSimmons42]

Best gambit game I’ve had recently was assassins cowl strand hunter. 73 combatants defeated and 61 motes banked.

[@sksturm95]

Winning or losing in Gambit is just RNG. One kill more or less decides the whole game.

[@davidredsox]

Personally a fan of bonk titan. Absolutely destroys any high-value target or blocker. Especially good for the wizards that spawn between primeval damage phases. And you could still totally run a similar weapon loadout for invading

[@Archizombie]

Finally some content for the tens of us gambit players!

[@Christian-o8t9n]

Cross: "Who would watch a gambit build battle in 2024?" 75K+: We would.

[@_theloremaster]

Bless you 5:23

[@imarubronzen]

I run a peregrine greaves (Burning Maul with hammer strike) titan build to smash through the envoys and other mini bosses with ease. I have succession (reconstruction,snapshot), trust (rapid hit,incandescent), and Sleeper Stimulant as my go to heavy weapon.

[@FUNDAM3NT]

Playing six games of gambit? These challenge videos are getting crazy

[@anotherkenlon]

It's interesting - the strand build looked about as effective as the arc one, but didn't flow anywhere near as well.

[@SaraSquires-z6o]

I really like Stasis warlock for Gambit. Stacy locks groups in place for easy motes.

[@zeldafreak847]

When cross doesn’t realize he can throw both Shinobus nades and have a third one 😭😭😭 I MAIN this exotic and love it

[@Rajadams83]

In the strand build I would’ve used whirling maelstrom instead of the one that gives the strand clone. You get more grenade energy for all the adds.

[@tonybarnes2920]

That Shinobu's makes me want to jump in Gambit right now!

[@bruce_leon1044]

Liar's Handshake is way more lethal in Gambit than Shinobu's vow. You don't even need to fire your weapon 90% of the time & you still end up with most kills and most motes. Just equip weapons with a lot of range for those pesky invaders and those floating eyes, and you're set.

[@rcbeck77]

Dawn Chorus + Heat Rises + Incinerator snap + Skyburner's = non-stop kabloomies

[@basedcase]

Stasis warlock with turrets and the spreading freeze. Final warning, shotgun and a machine gun.

[@Brimst0ne_XB]

This what it's come down to, Cross? Gambit build videos?

[@NovaGoesBoom]

THATS ME - I GOT KILLED BY YOUR XENO , LMAOOOO, I saw you and was like “no way that’s THE Aztecross”

[@ambulance_driver9477]

2 easy gambit fixes....1. No collecting motes as they simply go into your counter and 2. No damage phases on final boss... Who can 1 phase the fastest

[@redblue4127]

Ngl you don't need even this sophisticated of a build for Gambit. Just bring a shotgun for majors and blockers and a good weapon for dps.

[@tahilpadia]

Why do I want to play Gambit again after watching this?

[@etherealcomplex9926]

You NEED to try BoW titan with wormgods and a glaive. It shreds through almost everything and frees up an exotic slot so you can run WH or G-horn. It's easily my favorite thing to use when grinding gambit

[@chadpatterson472]

Dude, I always run SV and indebted kindness in Gambit. It’s too good.

[@rigoFGC1]

I love this series idea!

[@Kuragi_Kriada]

Shinobu's Vow is a bit slow for me, but to be fair, I use Sunbracer's Warlock which has been gambit meta since Gambit Prime.

[@LUwUcii]

Hey, Lucifur is me, was great playing against you (:

[@battleax4609]

The Drifter has awesome commentary

[@holo673]

the lucky pants build isn't taking advantage of lucky pants, it'd be better with a handcannon like malfeasance, which is still good for ad clear , and a super you can fire off in one shot while going back to malfeasance for some dps, and then switching to your heavy in the down time. I personally use lucky pants with my solar build with marksman golden gun, as long as you have 2 kinetic surges you're good to go

[@trentenjohnson2670]

This is a good series bro 💯

[@austintacious7976]

That pistol is way too OP

[@tyrantk1ng286]

What's the name of it

[@mxwx51]

Yeah... Malfeasance/Lucky Pants >>>>>>> Warden's Law/Lucky Pants. ESPECIALLY in Gambit. That same strand build with Malfeasance, Indepted Kidness, and your choice of machine gun would've be better.

[@Lukeepoo69]

I feel like we shit on gambit too much tbh. If you play it to just enjoy yourself it’s actually quite nice

[@pizzajerky481]

Yeah Gambit is no where near as bad as trials for casual and above average players. I like pvp but I will never play trials. Normal pvp and Comp are much more enjoyable experience than trials. In fact Gambit is actually an enjoyable experience especially if you don’t take winning matches in it seriously.

[@Ishiisan]

I usually run LIAR'S HANDSHAKE with something like Subjunctive and Thunderlord. may be I should give Shinobu a try 🤔

[@cloudunbound8910]

That was an absolute violation what you did to that team in the second shinobu’s vow game and I am calling the authorities sir 😂😭

[@bradleyrg12]

Strand with whirling maelstrom is literally the best at gambit. I rock lucky pants plus malf and I just dont lose

[@akiokono3487]

As a gambit main, while grapple is nice the super really kills that build. A cast and forget super is so much better for gambit than a roaming super. I think the setup of build 2 would have benefited the subclass from build 1 more

[@wesleyknox]

That transmog…damn!

[@Ethereal.18]

I personally bring shinobu’s into GM and master raids. So good for pve

[@TheZeug]

TBF, the second set is much more difficult to use, especially if you rarely/never use lucky pants.

[@tonysbanned]

*BUILD BATTLES* 😫

[@MrYellowboy18]

Titans are gonna dominate regardless of what the other classes use. 4 synthos strand titans with 12p shotties is GGs

[@FrostReach66]

Last build should’ve had whirling maelstrom instead of threaded spectre

[@MrMightyZ]

Shinobu’s work even better when you actually use the grenades and what are the helmet mods? You’re not picking up many orbs.

[@hotzauhse]

Man do i miss playing Gambit

[@jpetrovich1987]

As an avid gambit enjoyer, watching that harpy fall off the map in the beginning of the video made me big sad

[@topjuegostheandroid4462]

I like gambit, i once said that in a fireteam, they told me if i wanted to solo an encounter, i solo the encounter (root of nightmares)

[@KapasaGamer]

I've been running lucky raspberry for gambit

[@ringomandingo1015]

Gambit could be such a fun mode if it got more love (not make it “balanced” the way bungie thinks is balanced). Just high energy and crazy action is what makes Gambit fun.

[@darkcatzeyevods]

I think whirling malestrom would be a better choice on the strand hunter than the threader specter

[@mikekoski7050]

It’s unfortunate the strand build had the worst hand cannon option doing a legendary mg and malf would have slapped

[@ThroatPunchDn8r]

Whirling Maelstrom would have made a lot more sense on the strand build.

[@topgameofholic1102]

You should do a redemption ark for the people that get banned let them create a new build, and if it beats out one of the favorite builds then can come back