Best wheel for GT7? - Fanatec DD Pro vs Thrustmaster T-GT2

After looking around for months I couldn't find any comparison videos between these two sets. Thrustmaster's current belt-driven flagship wheel is competing directly with Fanatec's new CSL DD in terms of price, but does it feel like the same price on a rig? With Gran Turismo 7 coming out in a few weeks, is the (now) officially licensed Fanatec wheel better than its true competitor?
As to keep this video relevant i only used the 8 Nm Boost kit for the CSL DD Pro, as without it it has less torque than the T-GT and would put it below the competing price. With the boost kit, you get more torque, more fidelity and responsiveness in the FFB for around the same price.
I would appreciate any feedback you may have, or any other comparison videos you may want for the future!
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[@Z3r0Ultima]

you sound way more convincing than established youtubers, thanks for the review cant wait to have my hands on the wheels. oh and you deserve a sub for the honest review

[@afons]

Oh man that you so much for the kind words! Can’t wait for you to try it out! X

[@tiagopadua]

Thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for. A direct comparison of the feeling between the 2 systems from someone who experienced both. Very helpful!

[@DanDiMaggio]

This is exactly the video the community needed. It will be very useful for many people! Thank you!

[@mafaldaramalhodafonseca7130]

I LOVE watching you race!!!! Thank you for also taking the time to make awesome, useful content for the sim racing community. It’s awesome to see what your gear looks like.

[@shehab1993]

I have been waiting for a comparison between those two , great video 👍🏽👍🏽

[@afons]

Thanks! I really appreciate it!

[@matteosivilotti9800]

I prefer these type of "real consumer" reviews, rather than the reviews we are used to. Thank you! +1 sub

[@afons]

Thank you!! Really appreciate it x

[@adrianestrada4137]

Thank you for the review. I always wanted to know the comparison. I will get the DD Pro!!

[@franciscosalcido8951]

Just bought GT7 and never owned a gaming steering wheel! Going to splurge on one and this was my go to review. Fanatec it is! 🙏🏽

[@MelloKingMal05]

Thanks for making this man.. it really made the difference clear for the money these things go for!

[@rich9792]

Thanks for the review, you've helped me lean towards the Fanatec!

[@iftimiebogdan502]

Thanks for the video, you did a great job!

[@a.haydar3176]

Thanks for the video Fons, this helped a bunch learning about the differences of the two wheelbases and pedals 👍🏼

[@afons]

Thanks Arie! Really appreciate it 😬😌

[@a.haydar3176]

@@afons 😎

[@corronord]

Finally the video I was waiting for! 👌🏾Thank you!

[@afons]

Súper glad I could help!!! 😌

[@maxnuman]

Great video man, and one I desperately needed. Thanks for helping me make up my mind!

[@afons]

Im super happy i could help!! Hope i don't disappoint, please let me know how you feel about it when it arrives :)

[@MrGulyo]

Very user friendly review. Thank you from Hungary. I will get my dd gt pro this Friday 😀

[@afons]

Thank you! I appreciate your comment ❤️ you will not regret it! X

[@kshay1394]

Really well covered. Thanks for contributing to my decision. And I agree.

[@Largallama]

Great video, brilliant break down and just the video i needed to see, cheers.

[@afons]

Cheers xx

[@ForexTrainingCamp]

As an owner of the Fanatec DD Pro with boost and load cell brake I agree with you 100%. The feel of the Fanatec system “feels” like it should cost more than the actual price. Don’t tell Fanatec though lol.

[@Noel_Merkas]

Can load cell kit be used with DD PRO on ps5 or i need to buy whole CSL pedals bundle

[@GregoryShtevensh]

Yep, I own a CSL DD and all sorts of other various crap, from white goods to my car and lawnmower... I totally agree too 👍

[@GregoryShtevensh]

​@@Noel_Merkasa lawnmower can be used on any grass

[@WittyGooseRacing]

Great video, looking forward to the GT7 videos

[@hussainchoudhury8846]

Thank you!!!! Saved me a fortune. Amazon has this interest free monthly option to pay for the Thrustmaster one so I was really going to go for it, especially with psvr 2 support for GT& looking so amazing. Glad I saw this vid. I think I would rather be patient and save up for a Fanatec

[@patrickbaitmen9290]

I was just about to do the same 😢

[@tigersinstinct]

Awesome breakdown!

[@mcfalith2596]

Nice and honest review, you describe what we need to compare and chase. I have just bought a T300 and sounds good, but see a dd pro in the future!

[@meejmuas8686]

After this video, I am of the same opinion!

[@VinePest]

Really cool video, I enjoyed the oldschool youtube no-fuss production - content-wise really helpful, honest and sincere. You've brought me a little bit closer to sending my G29 into early retirement. Just a little bit.

[@afons]

Aw man thank you! really really appreciate the kind words xx

[@Chirp_Fest]

Don’t throw in the towel on the G29 yet! It still gets the job done for sure.

[@VinePest]

@@Chirp_Fest you're right, there's no rush:)

[@pixelperfectpizza]

Hey mate, really liked the video! You deserve 10x the followers

[@afons]

Thank you so much, really appreciate it!

[@jasonsanders9616]

You sold me. Awesome job explaining the two.

[@afons]

Thanks man! 😊🤟🏻

[@bobb.4173]

Thank you your honest comparison!!

[@Kireth]

Great review 👍

[@afons]

Thanks bro! Means a lot x

[@Dzohnny]

Not playing racing games, watched the whole video. Great review :P

[@ORIGINALFUTURE]

the best and most honest review i have seen on youtube ;)

[@afons]

Thank you so much! ❤️

[@Kajdebruin]

Really nice video👍🏻

[@afons]

Thanks bud! Hope to see u on track very soon 😬

[@SimRacing604]

Great video man! Thanks for this

[@afons]

thanks!!!!

[@fvolpim]

Otima avaliacao! Nice Review!

[@afons]

Muito obrigado! X

[@raphaelmeillat8527]

Great review, well done! Just subscribed!

[@DeviantSkyline]

Very very helpful! Thanks for this

[@afons]

Glad I could help! Thanks for the comment x

[@DeviantSkyline]

@@afons Have you tried the DD in F1? If so, how does it perform in comparison to GT7?

[@reverenddanger]

Pointing out how it effected your wrist and forearms was great feedback. I feel the same way about the Logitech g923

[@DuckReconMajor]

Thank you for this video!

[@mtzmueller]

I appreciate your honest comparison, I really wanted to see something like this. I had to go for the T GT II because I already had the H pattern shifter for it and I mainly drive vehicles with clutch and h pattern shifters, so to match that on the Fanatec I would have ended spending 500 dollars more between shifter and upgraded pedals. In addition, I have had bad experiences with Fanatec products in the past. Nevertheless, it was a painful decision, it does bother me because it seems that the dd is definitely a superior product, but at this point in time the thrustmaster was the right one for my budget. But I completely agree, the T GT II is overpriced and it should be in the 500-600 dollar range.

[@afons]

The T-GT2 is a great wheel! You have a solid, versatile set up! The DD does feel like the future but that by no means discredits the TGTs positives. Thanks for your comment x

[@mtzmueller]

@@afons thanks man, I appreciate your words of encouragement! I’ll continue keeping an eye on your videos, good luck with the channel!

[@calebwright2849]

I know it wont help you now but for anybody else in the future in this situation you can get a drivehub adapter if your on console so you can mix&match fanatec/thrustmaster/logitech wheels, pedals and shifters. If your on pc then all you need is usb adapter. The Drivehub adapter is about 90usd which isn't bad if you already have invested a lot into one eco system vs starting from scratch. I'm using one with my ps4 to run my thrustmaster t300, thrustmaster T-LCM pedals with a fanatec 1.5SQ shifter. Obviously I could have saved almost 150 had I got the thrustmaster th8 shifter but a good H shifter was important to me and the fanatec is about the best you can get in the sub 300 range. It would of cost me 200ish for thrustmaster shifter, ended up costing me 280 for fanatec shifter with usb adapter plus another 90 for the drivehub. I will upgrade to a dd wheel and heusinkveld sprint pedals at some point soon but I'm pretty satisfied with my current set up for now. Wish the pedals had more feel in the clutch and throttle but the loadcell brake is great for now and I think I can modify the clutch to feel more real and natural instead of the numb, linear feel. I'm going to add some bass shakers for gear changes, basic suspension/tire feedback and engine revs as well plus a couple small ones to mount directly to the shifter for grinding and what not and one directly to the brake pedal for abs effects, more finer details. I know with the transducers you have to prioritize what you want to feel or your just going to feel a big mess of vibrations and it will be like your on a big ol'e vibrator instead of driving a race car lol. I can't wait to get a motion platform. Dof reality h3/p3 looks great for the money. There is also the Yaw vr and yaw2 for less than 2 grand. They don't look the best for sim racing, but for just about everything else it looks like they would be pretty cool. You could actually own both a yaw vr and 3dof dof reality motion rig for under 5 grand. Lol not that it's super cheap I know but when you think about the capabilities of what they can do it's pretty neat.

[@mtzmueller]

@@calebwright2849 thanks for your message! I wish I had known that before, it does sound like a good option. I spent the weekend playing GT7 and I have to say I did have a blast playing with the T-GT II, I just can’t imagine how it can get better than that, I need to try the DD. Your future setup sounds really good, I also need better pedals.

[@12ichie]

hey guys getting a wheel rn should I go for the t300 or the grand turismo wheel thrustmaster

[@majsport]

Hey man... thank you so much for the honest review.. i have a T300RS and it has just lost the FFB so i was looking at the TGT II...after your review i may go for the Fanatec DD.. keep up the great work 🙂👍🏽

[@tecno4u31]

Why you lost force feedback?

[@PageCrowes]

​@tecno4u31 force feed back fade. Not enough power to hold ffb. The tgt2 won't fade or go fanatac

[@leighrobinson9403]

Great review

[@afons]

Thanks a bunch 😌

[@fahada1921]

Thanks a lot for this video. Everything I’ve heard about the GT DD Pro is great but the problem is they don’t ship outside of Europe except a few countries. You don’t have that problem with Thrustmaster. That needs to change especially after Fanatec being the official GT7 and F1 wheel.

[@MichaelJP]

Well that sucks! I'm in Australia and just ordered the DD Pro no issue but I know how you feel as most colours of Levi Jeans and certain Nike shoes (mainly flyknit versions and some Jordan's) "can't" be bought or delivered here! I don't get it as money is money, as long as you're paying the same with conversion, why would they pass up sales? If you have online friends overseas you can trust, maybe send them the cash and get them to forward the wheel to you.

[@fahada1921]

@@MichaelJP I agree 💯 Although I can use my American address but it will cost a lot since it’s heavy unlike shoes or clothes. But quite frankly I don’t mind waiting ~6 months (hopefully) maybe they’ll get that fixed. Regardless I’m enjoying GT7 with the PS5 controller.

[@MichaelJP]

@@fahada1921 Well, luck be with you then, patience is a virtue as they say. I did the same with my 3080 GPU, but only a 3 month wait there. Can't say the same for wheel/controller though. I played through the B License test with a controller, shut the PS4 off and ordered the DD the next day. I'm happy playing a heavily modded Assetto Corsa with my TS-XW wheel until the DD gets here! 😄

[@israelbarrueta6924]

Same thing here... I went for TGT2 cause we don't have official Fanatec sale's here in my country therefore Fanatec cost's at least 3 times what TGT2 cost's

[@ydihtty]

@@MichaelJP I'm in Australia but couldn't find anywhere the DD Pro is decently available, in general it seems way more expensive than the T-GT II which is actually somewhat available at local stores. Where did you order your DD Pro from?

[@guszo77]

Already pre ordered the DD Pro really looking forward to using from my G29 quite the substantial upgrade I hear.

[@afons]

Congrats on the purchase! The difference is night and day between those two, so you will be thrilled!

[@BielCT]

5 or 8?nm

[@bialydymgt994]

same here!

[@euconstantin]

Thanks man. You helped me finally make my mind.

[@grossglizzy]

What did you decide on, I’ve been 2 guessing myself for about 2 weeks now

[@euconstantin]

The fanatec. However it is utterly expensive for what it is. I'll settle with a thrust master t300 most likely for now.

[@euconstantin]

The fanatec. However it is utterly expensive for what it is. I'll settle with a thrust master t300 most likely for now.

[@MikaTarkela]

I've been trying to decide between these 2. I'm probably going to get the DD Pro (8Nm) bundle with the 3rd load cell pedal.

[@Martilied]

Personally I'd go for the GT DD but with the Mclaren V2 wheel. Or the F1. Anyway, great and detailed video mate! I was waiting for this one when I first saw your stories. Good analysis and points🤙🏻

[@afons]

Thanks Marti! I got the mclaren v2 as well but wanted to keep this video more to the point 🤣 the mclaren rim looks awesome too. Thanks for the comment bud x

[@Martin-vn9fr]

@@afons But the qr lite isnt very good, so you would have to spend 100 Euro for the qr1 even though a new qr2 is on the horizon which itself will cost 100 euro again

[@guidofoc7057]

I have the CSL DD with the McLaren GT3 v2 wheel and I love the wheel, it's light, solid, lots of buttons, well shaped. I also bought the ClubSport RS to have a round wheel but for racing I just use the McLaren one. No problem at all with the QR lite. I have QR1 on the ClubSport wheel but the McLaren wheel with QR lite feels tight all the same.

[@brockharrison356]

Nice review. Your two gripes are the same as mine ironically (the paddle shifter shape and joystick controller on the wheel). In gt I do a lot of shifting mid corner, particularly in slow speed where I downshift to first gear to help rotate the car. I find it a bit tricky trying to shift when the wheel is rotated 45 degrees or so. Other than that I’m extremely pleased with it!

[@afons]

nice to see im not the only one! Not terrible issues to have to deal with after everything is said and done though. x Thanks for the comment

[@rdeh1678]

You should look at the new thrustmaster shifter that just came out for September 2023 ,it's 99 dollars canadian

[@jeem1984]

Muy buena comparación! Como bien dices creo que no había ningún video comprando estos dos volantes. Y te alabo el gusto de hacer los videos en inglés, llegaras a muchísima más gente

[@afons]

Muchísimas gracias kike!! Se intenta 😅😅 un abrazo

[@maverikbcn2318]

Para los que no dominamos demasiado el ingles, que volante gana en la comparacion para jugar a GT7?

[@jeem1984]

@@maverikbcn2318 le ha gustado más el Fanatec, no cree que el T-GT2 esté mal (sin contar precio, y algo los pedales), pero en definitiva prefiere el DD Pro. Yo las bases solo he probado la de Fanatec, pero los pedales he probado los de ambos y no hay comparación, mejor los de Fanatec (aunque el de Fanatec venga sin embrague)

[@maverikbcn2318]

@@jeem1984 Gracias por la explicación, creo que acabare comprando DD Pro.

[@joserivera-ipsien3418]

Muy buen video! Gracias por la comparativa! Lanzo una pregunta, tengo amigos, que al compararlos, dicen que el TGT les da más información en curva que el DD pro, que notan más detalles, es así? Gracias de antemano!

[@VioletPrism]

Can you give more info about that seat pad you're using does it give force feedback and what is it called? Thanks alot for the great and clear review. :)

[@user-gc2cs9tb4g]

Waiting for your review of there wheels for GT7!

[@afons]

I’ll be as fast as I can!!!

[@user-gc2cs9tb4g]

@@afons Thank you so much ^_^

[@flizzyfler5522]

Hey! Great video! :) Will go for the DD pro, but don't know, which racing seat is the best (bc even the pricy ones aren't that good according to customer reviews). What kind of setup are you using?

[@afons]

Sorry it too me so long to get back (was in the literal process of changing set up). Check out my latest video where i go over my whole set up! The video description has all the components too in case you dont want to watch the whole thing! Thanks for the interest and hope it helps!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmSppGZ6lsmfbKc&ab_channel=GG_AFonseca

[@forbidden76]

My Playseat Alcantara racing chair cannot handle the Load Cell pedals so using the T3PA still. Its more arcady feeling and I like them better to be honest. I think I am going T-GT2 though for PS5 since I am already in the Thrustmaster ecosystem and just need the Servo base for $499. Thanks for the video!

[@MrBasjunk]

Great video - thank you. You did not say anything about the transducer on the t-gt 2.

[@DanKam92]

You got a new sub, probably going for the dd pro

[@afons]

Thank you so much x

[@davethestalker]

Could you please do a follow up video on the T-GT2 now that there had been a few updates for GT7 and we have had it for almost a year?

[@Mikor_78]

Thanks for your review. If not for you, I would have bought a T-GT II with T-LCM pedals for 730 euros. For now, I will hold off on buying a steering wheel for a few months. From what you say, the future belongs to direct drive. Thrustmaster is expected to announce its direct drive soon. It is a pity that Fanatec does not officially sell its products in my country. And Logitech has its DD, only a space price

[@positiveszn3706]

Nice vid bro

[@Shkizu]

That's all I've wanted to know. Thank you.

[@giogamer4825]

Great video and comparison!! Thanks for this great video. My old wheel T-GT2 and TLCM vs my just bought GT DD Pro bundle and V3. I am only surprised by your pedal opinion, as i did think that the TLCM would be better then the CSL pedals. I hope my V3 is not a mistake buy 🤣 Will have to see when the DD Pro bundle arrive

[@afons]

Thanks 🙏🏻 nah! They are better than the ones that come with the TGT, not the TLCMs. That wouldn’t be a fair comparison (load cell vs potentiometer). I got the exact same upgrade as you! I’m having a blast 💥 thanks for the comment x

[@giogamer4825]

@@afons Great to know. Mine will arrive this or next week. Thanks for your reply 👍

[@localnemesis94]

I just ordered the TGT-2 & the TLCM pedals so I hope I made a good decision haha

[@giogamer4825]

@@localnemesis94 Yes,. Maybe you can go later on to the Direct Drive base from Thrustmaster. It was just release for Pc with 10nm torue and that is great torque.Then you have a real great set up. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2a6oZd4prSHec0

[@localnemesis94]

@@giogamer4825 have they announced a PS5 release date yet?

[@stephan9487]

Thanks man. Im not even at the TGT2. Im coming off a thrustmaster T300RS that I was running on my PS4. Now Im onto the PS5 with GT Sport and waiting for GT7 so looking to upgrade. So I'm guessing either would be a good upgrade for me but based on your feelings, I'm gonna go with the Fanatec DD Pro. Ive always been told Direct Drive can't be beat anyway. Just hoping the delays with shipping aren't too bad.

[@afons]

I’m super glad I could help! 😬 please let me know how you feel when you get it! Thanks for the comment x

[@stephan9487]

@@halfbreed02 ouch.

[@afons]

@@halfbreed02 i ordered my DD Pro in November! It arrived before its original ETA! You will not be disappointed 😬 “good things come to those who wait” x

[@CarBreathor]

Very useful video, I like the thing that you take it easy and simple. But unfortunately, Fanatec is going to raise the price of their products starting today maybe including GT DD Pro. I'm not sure if guys at Fnatec have understood that their prices are low or what... but it's so clear that you and reviews like your are very effective in this matter and play a major role. I'm not pointing at you as a culprit. But I think that you and youtubers like you are really playing a major role. So instead of that Trustmaster lower the price, but Fanactec raised it. However, thanks to your great video, I just purchased GT DD Pro seconds ago before the price rising start.

[@David-bw7is]

Never used a wheel before, but after finishing all the Cafe "Menus" in GT7 I decided to get one, grabbed a Logitech G29 in a sale, I know it's not as flash as some of the more expensive ones, but for a first wheel it's excellent, responsive and my lap times have dropped, well worth a look if you're a first timer, like I was. :-)

[@afons]

Huge congrats on the g29! It’s an awesome little thing if you are just getting started. The level of immersion you get compared to pad is next level. I’m glad you are enjoying it. I call the g29 the “gateway wheel” as its good enough to captivate you, and there’s so much room for improvement that you don’t know exists (or even know you need) that it leads to more purchases. Beware of that and enjoy to the max!

[@localnemesis94]

I wonder if playing on PSVR2 will reduce lap times as well? I’m thinking it most likely will…

[@saiaman01]

Thanks for video, what's your stand you put this on please ?

[@CWHolleman]

My biggest issue with the LCMs was not being able to invert the pedals like you could with the T3PA-Pros. Seems like a step backward there.

[@telmo2430]

Execelnte video camarada. Eu tive a sorte de adquirir esta semana um tgt2 com 2 meses a 320 euros. Espero ter feito um grande negocio. Felicidades

[@EnglishWithDane]

Good to know dude thnx

[@wagonet]

Great video

[@afons]

Thanks a million! X

[@tonettem]

Very nice review! If I may ask, what racing cockpit did you use in this video?

[@afons]

Thanks a bunch! Next level racing - GT Track x

[@powerpaul1423]

Where did u get your seat support? i have same cockpit and back issues. Thanks. Great video

[@afons]

I got it in some local stores. One thing I’d recommend (it’s going to sound weird) is strapping the seat belts it comes with. When we brake, our lower back tends to come forward and that not only makes braking harder to be consistent it also gives us very nice lower back issues. I found strapping on the seat belts help keep our bodies in the correct (and more importantly the same) place. Give it a go, I hope it helps!

[@strength45]

what racing stand di you use at the time of the recording? im looking into getting a stand myself. Thanks.

[@willythebillasacopaco1803]

siendo asi de sincero te seguire mucho ,da gusto

[@Vangueimer]

You sound truly sincere. I have saved money to buy a tgt 2 with tlcm, but with your words in this video Seems like fanatec for the same price is a better choice. I love the way you talk and explain. New suscriber. Thak you!

[@afons]

Thank you for your kind words! X

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

The TGT II should have the TLCM pedals by default at that price along with a choice of one of 2 x 30 cm wheels in Leather or Alcantara.

[@yippykayak5842]

100%. They missed the mark massively with the TGT 2. It’s not even a consideration at rrp, you’d have to be mad to buy it.

[@muhdzulhilmi7399]

Exactly, the pedals that came with TGT2 are the T3PA which is like the basic of pedals from Thrustmaster and has been around for like 8 years? to be paired with something new like the TGT2 is really a bummer. The wheel and base feel good, really good to me, but then the pedals are instead... disappointing.

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

@@muhdzulhilmi7399 In fact the TM direct drive misses the mark too as it's to be PC only - From what I can tell.

[@GT1GT]

I never came from the TM T-GT2 but from the T-150 Force Feedback witch is probably one of the lowest tiers you can get then bought the Fanatec CSL DD Pro Express version with the 8nm and WOW I love it so much. I can probably say I will be good for the next 10 years accept will upgrade to the CSL DD Load cell and maybe a couple more wheels like a Rally wheel and a F1 wheel.

[@sebbo0378]

I rn have the t-150 too and im looking to buy the fanatec gt dd pro

[@GT1GT]

@@sebbo0378 DO IT! You wont regret it :)

[@davidwild8932]

Nice video but on the title / subject you should notify "with the BOOST KIT" (because without this kit, with the 5Nm version, the result totally different)

[@afons]

You are absolutely correct, I should have mentioned that. The 5nm is less than the TGT (which outputs 6nm) so I didn’t even get into it. it’s been said that the boost kit is almost essential to this bundle (I would argue even more important than the load cell initially). Due to the pedals being at least precise for games like GT, the added NM really make a huge mega difference. Thank you for reminding me though. Always willing to improve! X thanks for the comment and suggestion

[@beaterbagcar]

the fanatec gt dd feels like a real car. when you hit the curbs, soooooo good and smooth.

[@feeldontbelieve6577]

Did the TGT have a vibration thing like those sound things you put on the rig where it would vibrate your rig or something? Have you felt it and was it translating what is happening in game to the rig well enough? Thats one thing i am really curuios about the tgt

[@mwdfinch76]

Just got the 8nm and load cell. My god it's good. I'm so glad I didn't get the T-GT. Came from a T300 and it's a different universe.

[@CalculatedRiskAK]

I have the same bundle on order. I can only hope mine arrives in time for GT7, but it probably won't.

[@evanmmiranda]

Awesome !

[@Daniel-zo5wz]

I currently have the thrustmaster t300. My issue with it is overheating. When I play GT7, I have to turn the ffb down to 4-6 torque, so not nearly as much ffb. The next issue is that whenever I turn more than 90 degrees, the wheel vibrates, and I immediately go off track. This issue makes road cars close to undrivable.

[@kiariancoohill1679]

Great video dude. In the UK, we have the added wonder of Brexit, meaning Fanatec shipping to the UK adds additional VAT (I'm guessing 20%) meaning TGT2 bundle = £600, DD Pro bundle a whopping £855!

[@afons]

🙄 that is nuts!

[@MichaelJP]

You're paying £110 less than in Australia, just paid $1740 AUD (with a $40 discount). 10% of that is GST tax though.

[@Jayjayuk12345]

Uhh, this makes no difference to how much VAT you pay. You only pay EU VAT for items shipped within the EU. When we were in the EU you would pay the tax to Fanatec direct, (same amount 20%) under the EU-UK VAT agreement and it's included in the final price... typically now when you purchase something from the EU to the UK since Brexit the VAT is usually removed at point of sale, and you instead pay UK VAT at customs. It works out the same 20%. If Fanatec are charging uk VAT at point of sale, then they must have a company based in the UK registered for VAT either way you don't pay it twice! you may however need to pay import fees. This is a different thing though. Likewise you do not charge UK VAT if goods are exported from: Great Britain to a destination outside the UK

[@Johnnyjawbone]

@@Jayjayuk12345 So in simple terms the customs fee on top of the regular 20% VAT then. I don't know how much the customs import fee will be. I'm guessing it won't be pennies. There is the added complication of UPS then creating an account and charging you this invoice for the customs fee. It's basically a massive pain in the ass.

[@Jayjayuk12345]

@@Johnnyjawbone I edited my post a few times to try to explain that a bit better. Yeah, seems UPS will pay the VAT on your behalf and collect it from you as well as the charges for that service. Should be be able to find out how much that is though. To test, I just added something to my basket at Fanatec, and at checkout it removed the 20% EU VAT from the total price once i chose UK as delivery address. I don't think you need to open a UPS account though, Fanatec state UPS are their delivery partners. They will ask for payment of the 20% Vat + Fees on delivery i guess.

[@Loeb3873]

Very good, thanks. I bought a tgt 2 because i also have a t300, a t500 and some wheels , so i wanted to keep a thrusmaster écosystèm. But fanatec seems very good!

[@paul______4933]

I liked the rumble feature with the Thrustmaster unit it, it (imo) helped translate what was happening with the tires. Does the DD Pro translate in a similar way? Or is there just a hole in the feeling? I want the DD Pro I'm just scared it'll feel hollow. Thank you for your vid and time.

[@afons]

Thanks man! Yea the rumble was awesome. Unfortunately the rumble is gone for gt7 in the tgt. The DD gives detail in a more precise way. Im working on a video explaining it! xx

[@paul______4933]

@GG_AFonseca I think I'm sold. I've heard it said before that there's road feel translated with the DD Pro, just in a different and more precise way. Then the upgrades. I'm starting with the 5nm and V3's. Ill add dampened and booster later.

[@paul______4933]

@GG_AFonseca Thank you and I look forward to the more in-depth video.

[@cronicgamer2918]

Great review... Buying dd pro this week what stand or rig are you using there and how did the dd cope with it? And is it clamped or bolted?

[@afons]

Hey! Congrats on the purchase! I use a “Next Level Racing GT Track”. You bolt the wheelbase onto the rig directly (it has the right pre drilled holes). So long as you build the rig properly there should be little to no movement at all. Table clamp I’ve heard works well too but you need a heavy table or you run the risk of it moving around (with the 8nm). Hope this helps and good luck! Any questions let me know 😊

[@cronicgamer2918]

@@afons thank you... You have saved me a couple of hundred on what rig I was going to buy... Hope your channel grows and you do more reviews 🔝KZbinr👍

[@rharder]

Curious what gear you have today. Is the Fanatec DD Pro something you would recommend now?

[@vtg1800]

No, just buy TGT2. Because DD Pro too smooth like you driving in bowling road, this make not realistic. In real life you driving in public road with more variation vibration. TGT2 is better and no bad plastic in wheel like DD Pro

[@zachbrandt1236]

Great vid, clean and honest. As a T300 owner it seems like the upgrade to the T-GT2 isn't a wise decision. Are there any competitions out there that give wheels away as prizes? Is that a thing? Maybe a guy could put time in and win themselves a fanatec.

[@afons]

Thanks for the comment! the TGT2 is a better wheel than the t300, thats very clear. The issue is at that price range you can start to dable into fanatec DD territory, which is why the Thrustmaster loses out (in my opinion). If you can find a cheaper TGT2 then its a enticing option..x

[@mudhippy]

@@afons I currently have a T300 with the TCLM pedals. Right now the TGT2 base is on sale for 450. Is that a worthy upgrade? Is there a significant difference between those two considering I normally mostly play f1 games and sometime GT7? (I'd keep the old wheel from the T300RS)

[@focuswest2736]

Do you know what cheap shifters will work with it? I don't really want to shell out another 250 for the one they have

[@iamzuesthisisthetruth8864]

Owned all major wheels (Log.Thr. And Fan! Fanatec makes Sim racing Gear. The others make Racing Toys!!! Especially the Peddles on Log. And Thr! No comparison! Good video keep it up!!

[@afons]

Thanks a million!

[@bratosin1]

You must compare the same price products and technology my friend , to be fair , fanatec isn't perfect either, they don't sold stuff on Amazon and it's a pain when something goes wrong and it will, most of the fanatecs have problems

[@mArvAlcao71]

Tbf all sim racing gear are toys after all. Put that aside, yes Fanatec are better, but the thing is their products are not as accessible compared to the other brands, especially if you are living outside Europe/N. America/Australia

[@iamzuesthisisthetruth8864]

@@bratosin1 I agree Fanatec is Far from perfect. Yet I disagree on Customer Service. I have had an issue with my hand brake. Was turned around on a week. If your under a warranty period Fanatec isn’t going to block your return. Seriously i sent an email got reply same day. Was at Post office that evening. Recieved new brake by end of week. Sure it’s my experience. And I’m sure someone has just as bad an example. But I would say go by your own experiences. You obviously Don’t like Fanatec. Great. Use Thrustmaster!! I’m happy with Fanatec Family of products. As well as CS.. so best of luck and have fun!! No matter what Peripheral u use.

[@Bombichote1]

@@bratosin1 He didn’t even said Fanatec was perfect, you are probably jealous because you can’t afford Fanatec. But by your logic, if Fanatec isn’t perfect (of course they aren’t perfect), then thrustmaster and logitech are A LOT worse. Fanatec it’s the best simracing hardware company, there’s no discussion about it, unless you are delusional. Thrustmaster it’s like McDonald, you can buy them almost everywhere, but when you want the best top of the line experience, you go to a 3 star michelin restaurant (Fanatec). Try thrustmaster customer service, you are going to have the worst experience ever, they don’t even respond at times. With Fanatec customer service that doesn’t happen.

[@kenny_wills_]

What do you recommend for a stand setup for the DD Pro that won't break the bank. Just bought the DD Pro and load cell kit and says will be available March 28 and load cell on April 7. Hopefully won't be a crazy lead time. I'm ready for it!!

[@PageCrowes]

Next level racing 2

[@rdeh1678]

I love thrustmaster but recently scored huge on buying a return pallet and it had a fanatec podium wheel the box was damaged but never opened, the rest of the stuff i sold except for that and a printer . So now my kids use my thrustmaster rig , and i use the podium

[@miskufkopn]

Thx great review and you have 5 or 8 boost kit on fanatec?

[@afons]

8 Nm! Thanks 🙏🏻

[@miskufkopn]

@@afons its big diference between 5 and 8? Thx mate

[@afons]

@@miskufkopn yes, it is quite noticeable. You have more room to calibrate it to your liking with more power.

[@MrMoose-mf1oy]

Just bought the GT DD pro instead. I had to spend around $250 extra (with the load cell brake and a clutch, otherwise it would've been the same price as the TGT 2) but I feel like it'll be worth it.

[@goodz002]

Was it worth it?

[@ViaticalTree]

You didn’t need to buy a clutch pedal. When you buy the load cell brake you just use the included brake pedal as the clutch. It’s the exact same equipment. Just take out the sponge.

[@Paulo-py4mm]

@@ViaticalTree I think they were referring to the shifter as a clutch

[@ViaticalTree]

@@Paulo-py4mm possibly

[@Budisgud69]

Are you going to do any Gran Turismo 7 content?

[@kubemaster]

I have the first TGT that I bought in 2017. Still love it. But definitely interested in the Fanatec. One problem I have though is that I use Macs, so updating drivers is next to impossible for me. Other thing I’d like to know is, do you not miss the feel of the transducer on the tgt-2? I actually think it adds more immersion, and that’s me just using the tgt-1.

[@afons]

The Mac thing is quite the annoyance, and TM will have the "Plug and play" much more available than the Fanatec counterpart. In that sense the TGT is a clear winner (although you can surely find someone in your circle that has a PC you could use, albeit, a true pain in the butt). The transducer. Oh my. That thing was a huge discovery and a monumental set up for inmersion like you say. I havent missed it one bit though, honestly. You get all the detail you could ever need in the DD. Its very different. Its smooth whilst somehow giving you that similar level of detail. Its weird and awesome. You will have to calibrate it properly to get the most out of it though, where the TGT is just plug and play. Thanks for your comment and good luck x

[@kubemaster]

@@afons I’m honestly having a great time on my T-GT 1 in GT7. The physics translate very well, and the transducer rumble is still there. Certain things such as jumps and curbs aren’t quite as pronounced as in GT sport, but I think that’s due to the physics programming of GT7.

[@Ryan-re1rs]

Well since you use mac you are used to pissing away money, so just go buy a cheap laptop to use for driver updates. Lol.

[@kubemaster]

@@Ryan-re1rs How am I pissing away money?

[@thompsoni7251]

I gave up on Fanatec gt dd pro, i've been trying to buy that wheel/pedals set for couple of months now and they have been sold out all that time... So today i ordered Thrustmaster tgt 2, should arrive in couple of days from now. I am sooo disappointed to Fanatec delivery problems so i think Thrustmaster will be good for me. Nice video though, thanks

[@afons]

That’s fair enough.. You are getting an amazing wheel regardless (and one you can actually buy 🤣). Congrats on the purchase and thanks for the comment!

[@thompsoni7251]

@@afons got the new wheel today and i'm very happy with it.. I got new energy to grind money in GT7😎 That drivind feel is amazing, although i've never tested any Fanatec products but if it gets any better than this it must be ruined😂

[@OrinocoGaming]

Nice video, trying to get into GT7 and I wanted to ask you, for a beginner like me with a budget of 1000 USD but with limited space to have a cockpit setup in my tiny living room which setup would you recommend, because it seems the DD needs a proper base to connect while TGT you can set it on any table. Thanks for your feedback :)

[@afons]

Hey, welcome! Both the TGT and the DD Pro come with table clamps included in the bundles. Technically, you can use both on a sturdy table but you have to be ware of the force feedback being too high and make your table move around (that’s for both units). As a starter it’s more of whether you prefer Fanatec or Thrustmaster and their respective environments. Thrustmaster is more plug and play than Fanatec. You need a PC to update drivers, etc on the Fanatec. If you want more help there are a bunch of GT related discord servers that are very active and most people are willing to help! Best of luck x

[@OrinocoGaming]

@@afons thanks for your quick reply. Well, I'm a software engineer, so, dealing with firmwares is not an issue. I also noticed something the DD pedals have only 2 whilst the TGT has 3, is this a drawback? And in your honest opinion if the budget is not an issue will you go with the DD. I'm thinking to invest in something that will last, and you mentioned the DD feels more like future. So, I was heading for thrustmaster but after watching this video, I'm hesitant :)

[@afons]

@@OrinocoGaming no problem!! You are correct, the pedal set does include the clutch pedal with thrustmaster, but unless you also get a shifter then the clutch pedal won’t really matter. Honestly, DD is the better tech. The TGT is top of the range of belt driven wheel bases, but the DD just feels more advanced. At least like the next step. You should still do what you feel is best for you, but for me fanatec is the more premium option for a reason.

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[@chancemccloskey5665]

I’m currently on a Logitech g29, Ik I’m poor and just starting out, but I’ve gotten the absolute pleasure of trying a Podium dd2. But for a base would you think I should start with this or just save up a good bit and shell the money for a DD1

[@afons]

Thats for the comment! Ah man, that’s a tough one. Not gonna say the DD1 isn’t a better product, but if money is an issue, the DD1 is much more expensive. Any of the options are an unbelievable upgrade on the g29 so I don’t think you will be disappointed. Maybe you could spend the extra money saved from getting a DD PRO on a number of wheels? Accessories? It’s a really tough one tho, please let me know what you end up doing!! X

[@jeremycorrao]

Does the Fanatac wheel have the attachment to attach to a table or do you have to purchase something else?

[@afons]

Hey! Both the DD and the DD Pro come with a table mount included in the bundle!

[@Il7ony89]

Thanks for the honest review! But I’m not completely agree with the fact that they have the same price. The tgt2 official price is 749€, but you can easily find it for 650€, and during the Black Friday even 619 and 589€. The dd pro ‘base’ is sold for 700 euros without the booster and without the third pedal, the complete bundle (for an equal comparison with the thrustmaster) costs 970€ plus expedition. Than the fanatec, as a direct drive, is obviously better…but you have to spend much more 😊

[@MrJr1976]

Where can you find the base WITHOUT the boost kit? I get updates from Fanatec and I've never seen the base itself.

[@davethestalker]

I am on the cusp of upgrading to a new wheel. My T500 is gasping for life. Upshifts take 3-4 taps and the wheel is loose at 12-6. Intervals are worn. I’m wanting a T-GT2 badly. I’ve got a GiveSendGo fundraiser in fact!

[@fraser7218]

I’m happy with my tgt II for now. Was the best option for me at the time, I’ve put a lot of miles on it in gt sport and acc. I’m interested to see what Thrustmaster offers in the DD market because the load cell pedals are great as is the SF1000 rim

[@BecksDrives]

I bought the GT DD Pro and am not that impressed by it as so many KZbin guys swear by it. It also has issues as I always seem to have with fanatec, always seem to be troubleshooting something. That’s why I’m thinking of going back to Thrustmaster, getting a T-GT 2 for GT7 and eventually will try out their DD offering. Ive learned not to go with all the hype and over-praise when a product like this releases, always take it with a grain of salt. Glad to hear you’re happy with your t-gt 2.

[@fraser7218]

@@BecksDrives it feels twice as good with GT7 I think I can really notice the drift control thing they say it has. Not so surprised about problems with fanatec or that so many people are giving great reviews. They seem to concentrate more on marketing than the actual product. How can they sponsor a whole GT championship when you couldn’t order any of their gear?

[@BecksDrives]

@@fraser7218 that’s another thing about fanatec, their product page for a particular item will say “available June 2022” or something ludicrous like that. If the product isn’t available, the estimated availability is always months away. Waiting 6 months just to order one item such as a steering wheel or other component makes me uneasy if I need a replacement. In comparison I could just go to several local retail stores who all stock Thrustmaster products. If I have issues I simply return it to the store and stock is generally very good. Can you confirm the transducer effect works with gt7 on ps5?

[@RacingTherapy]

@@BecksDrives what problems did you had with the GT DD PRO?

[@PageCrowes]

​@BecksDrives transducer works on gt7 ps5 my friend tg2.