The Greatest Wine Forger- Rudy Kurniawan

[@emfraza7953]

"I can't believe it's not Romanée-Conti" - You're a fucking legend, Rudy!

[@deepsweech]

The fact that he can reproduce vintage wine tastes with cheap ones just means the vintage ones are over rated, over priced. He just proved that the whole vintage thing is a sham.

[@andydevinewine]

This comment just shows lack of knowledge. The original has been created through man hours, they are the best. Its the same as dupe perfume. The original has shouldered the cost of research, development etc. The forger comes along, with understanding and the finished product then reverse engineers for a fractio. Of the cost

[@zoutewand]

It's not a scam, people are just willing to pay it to flex. It's like the difference between a $120.000 car, a $1.200.000 car and a $12.000.000 car.

[@NondumisoNyembezi]

He took multiple cheap wines and blended them to mimick a vintage taste. Production alone costs way too much to charge anything less than the originals, it's just how retail and price works. I also thought something similar until I realised how unsustainable that it. This leaves me with pride and ego as the motive - not money. He wanted attention and admiration, not some elite vigilante.

[@rajeeb3500]

No it just means his efforts and intellect might be equal to the value of the real thing

[@jaymcbakerk]

Correct…I’ve seen a master wine taster do a blind sampling of cheap and expensive wines. He could correctly identify the cheap, expensive and premium wines, but when asked how much each of the premium wines cost, he said “who can say, it’s whatever people are willing to pay”. So at the top tier, taste is no indication of what a wine costs.

[@artyzinn7725]

That he could imitate the taste of extremely expensive wines [ ~$20,000/bottle] by mixing cheaper wines together has great value. This means the taste of great bottles can be imitated for the 'rest of us', by blending. There is genius behind that. Granted it may not work all the time, the Burgundy group found that out 34:00 but it worked half the time to fool these experts, and even connoisseurs 29:43. He could become the "John Myatt" of the wine world, as John is for the painting world. What the video doesn't emphasize is he had to have substantial capital to start his forgery business: he had to learn the trade, get into cliques, build relationships, bid for wines to test and serve as models to copy, etc., before the payback. It means he had means to begin with that were substantial, whether that money was eventually going to dry up or he was greedy, would make a good Part II, a prequel.

[@musiclover6842]

They docu says not much is known about his past except that he was already wealthy to begin with

[@artyzinn7725]

@@musiclover6842 if you google his name or search the comments here, he comes from a family of unsavory business people

[@whiskyboi312]

Well considering how most who opened and tried a bunch could tell they were fake, I don't think Rudy was as skilled as I thought he appeared.

[@elissachapman6189]

He got caught because he produced vintages that didn't exist and magnums that were never made. I don't get how he could have been so meticulous with other details but not with these ones! Surely these would be the easiest details to get right, and the easiest mistakes for others to spot

[@dakotastephen5273]

Instablaster

[@pepelepew1227]

only the manufacturers who keep old production records knew. before the digital era, paper records are kept maybe 3 5 7 years for tax reasons and would have disintegrated by the next generation. his crime spree would have been short had those kind of information been easily obtained. nonetheless his talent lies in the palette that reformulated fake wines - one that wont get him anywhere near wealthy status.

[@slipherthevic3910]

@@pepelepew1227 the palate thing is bs. Plenty of studies have debunked that. Sommeliers are charlatans

[@pepelepew1227]

@@slipherthevic3910 use some logic to discern nonsensical studies.

[@Simon-nv5zj]

@@slipherthevic3910 please cite said studies

[@Czelonka]

This guy could make a fortune making and selling reproductions of expensive wines. It's not illegal if it's labeled as a reproduction, and he's got built-in credibility as a master wine forger.

[@Whigu]

I watched TV document about him many years ago and that hopefully showed how much on wine is show and how much there is actual reality. So many people need to know reviews of wine before they can tell do they like it or not.

[@joe9743]

I've herd anything over 500$ is just show

[@tony001212]

the worst part abour forgerers is that they do not know how to stop, he could have stopped when he sold his first bodega and scape with all that money but as I said above this kind of people don't know how to stop.

[@louisn1368]

You’re acting like you have never heard of greed at one point or another it becomes like a fulfilling job

[@Kryptkeeper911]

Gotta respect the greats of anything

[@joemontano71]

Rudy was not a great forger - people who know wine spotted him early-on in his dubious career - gathering evidence and building a case took time.

[@Kryptkeeper911]

Never said great for wine forging

[@whiskyboi312]

It's honestly crazy to see this and think how Rudy could've actually been an amazing winery manager and blender, but instead had his fixations on greed ruined possibly a small chance of him maybe having a successful career in wine.

[@srkbear1]

I respect his choice by far over the intolerable pretension of being a wine “connoisseur”. I watched the American Greed piece on this forgery, and after twenty minutes of listening to all these expert noses getting the vapors over his unthinkable deed-“disrespecting the wines”-I couldn’t have been more thrilled that he had the ingenuity to poke a bunch of holes in their “expertise” and refined tastes. How delicious is it that it only took him a few years to figure out how to pull the rug out from under their charade, with only a cheap printer, some tea bags and the right mixture of discount vino? He flattered their egos and ran off with their trust funds. I wouldn’t have the guts to dare try do what he did myself, but boy am I glad that somebody finally did-he give me schadenfreude to savor for weeks!

[@alfred2018]

​@@srkbear1 What can you say, Rudi Kurniawan is a nephew of one of the biggest Indonesian corrupt businessman, Eddy Tansil. Lying is their innate skill, it runs deep in their genes.

[@louisn1368]

@@srkbear1how do you say I’m a wine snob in French? Suck le bleu I ammah wine snoobb

[@taotzu1339]

No doubt he would have been an incredible master blender in both wine and hard liquor, but he would not have gotten rich being someone else's b.

[@CharlesRaines4946]

Who know's if Rudy is on the straight and narrow or if he is scamming wine collectors in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand or yhe Philippines?

[@bleudiamonds]

I'm highly annoyed but fascinated at the same time

[@muhammadrikykhoirudin2894]

me too, he is just genius

[@zes3813]

wrggg

[@lisaj2269]

I love wine forgers. Awful people ripping off awful people. The marriage of immoral avarice with vain, empty, meaningless status seeking… monsters eating each other

[@mareknosek9377]

Great analogie.

[@ytnthr1]

Love to the subtle taste of mirroring

[@hanzhewan1137]

the fact that Laurent Ponsot himself spent all his effort learning about how to forge his wine means nobody can stop him if he decides to forge some himself XD

[@jaymcbakerk]

These wineries could easily “rediscover” a few cases of a “rare” vintage and sell it themselves at auction lol

[@muklisardiansyah5146]

His uncle, Edi Tansil is the biggest corruptor in Indonesia

[@FalkultasHukum]

No , the biggest kambing hitam 😂😂😂, koruptornya soehaeto

[@FalkultasHukum]

Edi Tansil is blackship

[@Iiamli007]

​@@FalkultasHukum EDDY TANZIL IS THE REAL WORST CORRUPTOR!!! There are already a doc that prove it and he is in The Mainland runs his new biz funded by the money he stole from Indonesia.

[@devenbaker]

All thanks to Ponsot getting the ball rolling on this

[@henrygod514]

Very good documentary!!

[@apollobrown6568]

based on Sour Grabes... that one will impresse you.

[@1mmickk]

Good for him, a new take on an old scam. A sucker is born every minute.

[@sheepdog1102]

All wine tastes the same to me 😊

[@desisaronsaraswatihidayat1520]

His brother is also a corruptor in Indonesia.

[@andribratakusuma9258]

Siapee mbaa??

[@frans2740]

Dar ?

[@andribratakusuma9258]

@@frans2740 eddy tansil

[@frans2740]

Eddy Tansil itu pamannya. Desi Saron bilang his brother (saudara laki Rudy Kurniawan). Bukan his uncle.

[@deguzel9059]

nephew not brother

[@ryansweeney5716]

If the experts liked it then im fine

[@pernik5308]

Any indonesia come here?😅

[@Simon-nv5zj]

I dont feel anything for the rich wine snobs who bought the fake wine. I do however feel sorry for the producer/s of whos wines were forged.

[@Last_Chance.]

I agree

[@FullThrottleRacing535]

Why dont you feel bad for the buyers

[@SamWesting]

@@FullThrottleRacing535 Most (not all) of these connoisseurs use their rarefied access to the most expensive wines to flaunt their “F-- You” money to the world.

[@remery71]

Great comment, 20 years in the wine industry, wine as a social status is never enjoyed as much as when surrounded by those you love. Much love from Western Australia home of the Margaret River.

[@Simon-nv5zj]

@@remery71 Margaret river is a fantastic spot!

[@conradkenneth5216]

Greetings from the international space station?

[@spideywhiplash]

Greetings Space Man

[@notoverlyacerbic9574]

Say whay you want but his palate is fucking extraordinary..

[@FrankQ777]

The pride factor on tasting 🍷

[@dvorok]

He could have probably got away with MadDog 20/20. At $4.95 a bottle none would ever question it. Get greedy. Get caught.

[@markw5805]

When he gets out he can make a fortune by recreating wines for the average public. I just don’t think he had this grand plan…I think he got over his head and saw an opportunity to fund his financial life jacket.

[@deguzel9059]

he's the nephew of the biggest corruptor in Indonesia

[@hectorherbert6585]

These 'wine people' using the name 'Burgundy' is in itself a scam...there is no such thing as an American Burgundy wine...Bourgogne is in France ,period.

[@louisn1368]

You sound like a wine snob there’s alot not scotch in Scotland want to express that too

[@maxalexander31]

These 'wine people' are talking about Burgundian wines, not American wines. I would imagine that 99%+, if not all of the wines faked by Rudy were Old World, specifically Burgundian labels.

[@Easet_shad]

Обворовывать толтосумом это благое дело. Так что Руди Курниаван это современный Робин Гуд

[@KippysNippys]

Bro… Stop.

[@silo3com]

Bad ass

[@winengkusasmito4366]

The Tansil Family Tycoon, Fraud and Corruption are their business.

[@rewindproject1617]

Rudi masih keluarga Tanzil?

[@winengkusasmito4366]

@@rewindproject1617 masih, keponakannya. CMIIW

[@sibin3732]

Ini ponakannya Edi Tansil, Edi sendri kabur ke China dan di sana bermasalah juga, perusahaannya ditutup pemerintah

[@Trollbot007]

Has the face of The Greatest Wine 🍷 Bibber too!!!

[@buckodonnghaile4309]

We built a house for the owner of an award winning Canadian winery and he gifted us a case of his plonk. It reminded me of a gas siphoning mishap i experienced as a kid. My palette may be poor or perhaps those who hand out awards are in on the racket.

[@amandahugenkiss]

Petrol smells are used linked to wine being stored improperly. Sounds like he gave you a batch that was exposed to sun light.

[@jackmatthew1880]

Sounds like it was faulty. Hydrogen Sulfide is the cause.

[@onkarmane8760]

That Kyle smith guy seems really hurt 😔

[@yuqing2006]

Playing with fires. He deliberately try to sell rare ones that didn't exist.

[@KINGPHANTOMw85]

Which begs the question. What is WORTH

[@TomSmithclem]

Lol when they went in his house he goes I'm an alcoholic what's the problem 😅

[@morganjennings3164]

Perfect!

[@peterbradshaw8018]

Just found a book entitled In Vino Duplicitas.

[@imamramadhan8712]

This fraud incident is embarrassing for Indonesia..because his family is famous for fraud that has reached the international level.

[@musiclover6842]

So this is how he became wealthy really? Did his family scam also with Wine or something else?

[@里薩裡亨]

@@musiclover6842 As far as I know, his uncle is a legendary corruptor in Indonesia

[@peterbradshaw8018]

Any books on the issue. .Any documentary on Knoedler Art gallery fraud.

[@-manwhoknowsmuch6159]

Снег зимой красивый!

[@pericopalotes4848]

He only IS jail because the rich people he scamed they did make sure off It. Great scam .

[@Simon-nv5zj]

english speak any you do?

[@pericopalotes4848]

@@Simon-nv5zj yeah i speak 4 languajes ....not like you thick english ,barely can speak one languaje

[@Simon-nv5zj]

@@pericopalotes4848 well, English certainly is not one of them.

[@pericopalotes4848]

@@Simon-nv5zj ok whatever ,do you think that i care about your opinión? Have a nice day

[@Simon-nv5zj]

@@pericopalotes4848 i mean yeah you obviously do otherwise you would not have replied

[@johnallright6847]

Tom Keating and Sexton Blake's ( fakes) springs to mind , Tom was a genius artist who painted in the style of the painting masters and his sexton blakes started to make big amounts of money in the big auction houses and then the police art squad pounced and Tom's defence was his paintings were so good but he never forced people to buy his art but that the experts and art houses and buyers fooled themselves...

[@user-mh5xq3ik9u]

OK. HE WAS LIVING WITH HIS MOM? RED FLAG!!!

[@notoverlyacerbic9574]

Today he is apparently making a killing in his home country with tasting parties.. Making his recreations and serving them side by side the authentic wines for rich people..

[@JonDC70]

This is why you won't see a sommelier submit to a blind taste test. Even they know they can't tell most cheap wines from expensive ones. And I mean truly blind. They might have a "blind" test amongst a group of wines, but although they might not know which ones are which, they know what the group is composed of.

[@hectorherbert6585]

the cork could be a big giveaway in term of age.

[@HumanityJourney]

Pity about the annoying and distracting music from an otherwise very well-made documentary.

[@Easet_shad]

Обворовывать толтосумом это благое дело. Так что Руди Курниаван это современный Робин Гуд

[@moustik31]

I wish, he would have sold his dupes openly!

[@tomschmitt6911]

how did the wine not go flat after opening multiple wines and mixing them together in new bottle?

[@benoitcorbey]

Have seen some people from the US put their red wine in the fridge😢 forgery not needed 😂

[@redstone31]

reversed images and video indicates this doc was not created by "Best Documentary", likely stolen from someone else

[@belzebob]

We got a shelock holmes over here.

[@evansflammond6594]

Rock on Rudy you just proved that in the wine society's that there all just wannabees...trying to be kool 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@hectorherbert6585]

Having known some of these kind of characters in NY through Art Galleries & high end catering..,I don't understand how any of these guys could impress and fool sane/normal people...they were bozos with tons of cash , really... flying really low on zero IQ or charisma.spending their family"s wealth.....incredible.

[@srkbear1]

I have infinitely more respect for this fraudster than I do for the highbrow, soulless self-described aesthetes who gather for these ostentatious rituals and lionize each other for having such refined noses. They are so far up their own asses with unearned pretentiousness that even they don’t get the irony that this savvy young kid (with true talent, however fraudulently he used it) figured out how to poke holes in their expert tastes and run off with their trust funds in the course of a few years-with only a cheap printer, some tea bags, and a mix of cheap wines. He’s the savant who could tell a grape, year, winery and vintage from a single sip-while they got bamboozled by a price tag. He’s the true aesthete, and they’re the real frauds!

[@NancyWinterink]

I think he is a mastermind, with special gifts that made him so good in his "work". He just made a stupid mistake. Thats called GREED.

[@susantumblety6003]

Too bad they destroyed thousands of his bottles, they could've wrote his name on all of them and had a second life. After all ,he was an amazing wine maker

[@bradhombre6912]

Probably could have sold them and given the proceeds to the victims.

[@stGamblor]

Victimless crime

[@daraa151]

Yeah he only give rich what they wanted

[@busterbiloxi3833]

You are a criminal.

[@raihanandika6908]

Well that bad but cool

[@1partsunknown]

Why didn't he just make his own wines by mixing others. That's not criminal.

[@bradhombre6912]

Maybe that wasn’t exciting enough for him?

[@stephanclemens2348]

Robbie Coltrane would hve made a decent Kyle Smith in the movie. Hollywood: Where are you?

[@JosephProsnitz1]

I wish he had gone into reproductions to make the tastes more readily available

[@becky6061]

Hi! Are we allowed to use footage from this?

[@isaacwolfe5986]

You could counterfeit it like a fine wine

[@DLabuanbajo9555]

this the first time I proud to be Indonesian, because we were colonized by western people about 350 years and now only 1 person of Indonesian Rudy is able to trick so much western people. I cannot imagine what can be done by us millions of Indonesian people to western people. lol !

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

well I'm Dutch and Rudy totally forgot to scam me, soooo......

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

also, I want Papua new Guinea back.🤣

[@EmeraldWoodArchives]

Well, you see, he was already rich with embezzled funds from his uncles. Also, I guess you've never heard of Hargobind Punjabi Tahilramani, the "Hollywood Con Queen"? Great guy. Yeah, good luck with all that shit.

[@tobz475]

Actually indonesian leaders betray their own people during colonial period. Thats why indonesian not speaking dutch cause VOC just met the leaders.

[@cryptoanonymous1394]

Qui est la grâce à Squeezie ?

[@neriorus]

Snobbery was the undoing of his victims.

[@bim360]

Rogan sent me here.

[@ggss1176]

me too

[@chrisgay9623]

"astronomical amount of bottles"? What 12-year-old wrote this script?

[@SonOvaSon]

U

[@wustachemax]

I believe it was Joe.

[@austinpowers8550]

How is he great? He didn't even research what years certain vintages came out. That's a rookie move and doesn't scream intelligence.

[@Last_Chance.]

Do behave

[@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367]

Rain duck...

[@neriorus]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@dickypcp7732]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 we are genius

[@Nick1994H]

Elmer's Glue was found on a bottle claiming to be from 1898. Elmer's Glue didn't come out until the 1970s

[@PJSinohin]

OFFSTAGE HANG brought me here

[@vanharveyvictorino]

haha ako din!

[@deemz312]

Wine enthusiasts are so cringe

[@FrankQ777]

Did they find his uncle? The bank robbery?

[@davidkosa]

I can see it now. Kurniawan labelled wines that are blended for a specific region or style. I would buy a bottle.

[@busterbiloxi3833]

Barzelay wears a wig!

[@taratabor]

SPY !

[@ptg01]

He is obviously very talented but sadly, did not put it to good , ethical use.

[@betteryoubetter]

Joe Rogan got me here! "Modest house"????....entire story of a bunch of douche bags complaining about being "had" by a fellow douche bag....Rudy?? Good salesman; knows his customer. When dealing with people with more money than sense...douche it up!

[@Last_Chance.]

We were all wondering what brought you here, thank God you informed us. The suspense was absolutely insane. Smh...

[@wustachemax]

@@Last_Chance. Lmao

[@clemclemson9259]

@@Last_Chance. lol i never knew how many dick heads were out there till i look at you tube comments! great comment!

[@ananaofficial8659]

Tikus cina di indonesia

[@TheDieselbutterfly]

Barzelays watch is fake

[@glanyan5462]

Ugh, can you show more close-up partials... where we see part of a face, bottle, or whatever. Terrible camera work. Watch 'Sour Grapes' over this.

[@theworldreportbydr.rothschild]

He got greedy and did it for too long.

[@jingkun72]

He should have started his own labels. Why pretend to be something else?

[@Last_Chance.]

There's more to it than that bro

[@ivansentosa7699]

He's gettin greedy

[@ademulyono6360]

Dead row

[@Weston777]

He’s getting out soon!!! 😃

[@ryanhallyyc]

He was deported to Indonesia last year

[@Retroscoop]

Just skip the 3.57 long introduction with really irritating "music" for "dramatic purposes" and things that get repeated 3 times to make sure even the laziest simpleton is hooked, and in stead go directly to the docu itself... Folks, we should create a Community here on KZbin to warn each other about such abusive time waste, life is too short for such rubbish intro's !

[@forresthillboy]

At 33.01, the French speaking expert says something about DRC, which is mistranslated as being one of the "largest" Burgundy estates, when it must be that he says it is one of the greatest estates, is somewhat of a major error, otherwise an interesting episode... the French term Grande has been poorly translated in this instance...

[@strictlyprivate6914]

Narcissistic personality

[@stevenloredo3442]

Joe rogan brought me here!

[@Last_Chance.]

We're so happy that you told us that. We were all wondering what brought you here, the suspense was absolutely insane. Its such a relief just knowing how you got here.........smh

[@stevenloredo3442]

@@Last_Chance. omg I’m so happy you commented. I was dying for attention

[@clemclemson9259]

@@Last_Chance. lol awesome!

[@srkbear1]

Well, there’s no accounting for taste, pun intended. You just memorialized yourself on the immortal web as a devotee of one of the biggest morons on the planet. Congrats!

[@RockyTheBlackCat-y1d]

Rudi from china !

[@hankweiser9859]

That might be why it’s stupid to put high values on consumables. Makes me feel stupid that I developed my tongue to recognize tastes and flavors. In my older age I now realized that it’s only fuel. To treat food in any other way other than fuel seems silly now. The experience of eating is a joke.

[@user-pi6vz5hr3c]

Commercial wine companies put sulfates in wine to speed up the fermentation process to sell cheap wine, and this guy is scam artist. 🤣🤣🤣

[@hermanhorst6914]

That’s not how winemaking works

[@danielplainview4778]

Basically all the top ranked wine producers in the world regardless of production size use added sulphates… you sound like someone who knows nothing of wine or how it is produced

[@felixjones9198]

Potassium metabisulphate is added as a preservative/antioxidant and actually inhibits fermentation. I once had a 3000 litre tank of Chardonnay go off so quickly it had almost completely fermented by the time I got back from a night out- it was an insulated tank though. Temperature is the main thing that affects the speed of fermentation. Sulphites got nothing to do with it. They generally aren't added until the ferment is finished.

[@sueknoll8567]

I think wine is nasty tasting anyway, if you are paying over $5 per bottle you are getting scammed.

[@paulerdosdaughter]

🙄

[@sweetstorm7652]

Oh my dear you haven’t had great wine have you? $5 is too low, even box wine is not so cheap.

[@leelee287]

About 9 years ago my buddies and I went on a vacation and all chipped in and bought a 600 dollar bottle of wine . And it tasted like a horses ass !!

[@1013VS]

@@leelee287 how would you know what a horses ass tastes like .... Questionable... Lol all jokes aside wine is highly subjective compared to other spirits.

[@Simon-nv5zj]

your brothers piss doesnt count for wine Sue

[@hectorherbert6585]

great doc but poor narrator..very few female narrators can do the job for crime docs ,and I can't even think of one now...

[@srkbear1]

I’ll just set aside your preposterous sexism and mention Susan Sarandon for one. Not sure what about crime necessitates a man’s voice to “do the job” of narrating these stories but I sure hope you’re single.

[@charcoalanderson8010]

❤️

[@TETO-oz1ok]

NO LIKE !! TOO MUCH PROPAGANDA

[@EmeraldWoodArchives]

Bah ha ha.