Destiny Leaves Myron Speechless After Pushing Back On Fresh N Fit ft. Sneako

[@babesababe5885]

*“Lot of guys who watch this show never touched a girl in their lives.”* Destiny is this show’s greatest villain of all time😂

[@ricodontworryboutit3296]

And a lot of guys touched his wife

[@ianbenjiman]

Not wrong, their chat is so brainless. Nothing but W's and L's.

[@davidsejas8452]

Most guys that watch them have been used and or ignored by girls because they’re simps instead of focusing on themselves myron says stop being a lazy shit and complaining about problems and do something about it while destiny just makes excuses for degenerates and lazy people all the time so id rather listen to the one that told me to become the best version of myself the one that gave me the advice to move on from my toxic cheating ex imma listen to the one that helped me become the guy that was able to attract the best girl i could find and its not about looks its about mentality my current girl was with me at my lowest and she deserves everything i can give her so she deserves a complete monogamous relationship with her because she earned it im not listening to the cuck that has a degenerate relationship cus thats what it is an open relationship where you both go fkn around other people is just degenerate and fkd up no respect for eachother fucking around with other people is easy showing restraint is showing respect to your partner im not listening to the guy who has to always come up with excuses i rather listen to the one that’ll give me a game plan to be better and the one that told me im a grown adult i can make make my own decisions anything that happens to me is my fault and im the one in full control i have the power to do whats right whenever i hear destiny its always do what you want theres always an excuse thats no role model thats a grown child

[@shadowingmirror4634]

@@ianbenjimanprobably say a lot about you to

[@ianbenjiman]

@@shadowingmirror4634 what?

[@kjojo5403]

They can’t fathom the idea that a woman would rather be single and alone than with a shitty partner. 😂

[@BabalonNuit]

That tired old trope about "cats"; well, better cats than an abusive selfish self-absorbed cheater.

[@Nah-ah]

Fact of the matter is single women and married men are the happiest people in society! Have a guess who’s not happy? The married mothers! Yet these guys want to call single women “lonely, bitter cat women”! It’s like, sure.. whatever you say! 😆

[@leilameow9582]

@@BabalonNuit Cats have better personalities than a lot of men lol. My cat can tell when I'm feeling sad and comes to comfort me and respects my boundaries, he doesn't persist when i push his paw away cause im tired and don't feel like petting him. You know you are doing something wrong when a furry animal is a better companion than you.

[@BabalonNuit]

@@leilameow9582 Cats are definitely GREAT companions!

[@kaylaleave]

Dogs are better

[@TheEvilKingStan]

Myron is the perfect example of someone who comes up with the argument and then works backwards to find evidence. I don't understand why people actually respect what he has to say since he clearly has no sources

[@ahtech1990]

Because people don't have critical thinking skills. You're dead on correct though.

[@Personarose]

Even when he does have sources he winds up misinterpreting the information

[@kensword73]

You act like everybody doesn’t have preconceived notions. Literally every human does this at some point.

[@SomersBugtopia]

@@kensword73 That’s not what they’re saying. We have biases but not everybody has to argue backwards.

[@ahtech1990]

@Kensword you can have preconceived notions and not have them interfere with your ability to actively reason out the truth. Arriving at a conclusion on personal bias is understandable, but when shown the fact of the matter, you have to put that aside. Myron has been challenged on this stuff before and hell be shown the truth again and again if bet but he never gets his head out of his ass.

[@yahussain1272]

My mom divorced my dad after non stop physical abuse, she raised me and my siblings alone in a one bedroom apartment while my dad had a big house in the suburbs and his cars. Child support was a joke. My mom did not remarry in fact chose to stay single because she wanted to focus on us, my dad on the other hand had a bunch of affairs during the marriage and messed around after the divorce too. My mom struggled big time.

[@sabrinastarks7868]

THIS happens far more often than not... but hear a guy tell it and it will be "I cheated/became promiscuous because I was depressed" or some other variation on "it's not my fault". It's one thing to recognize you need psychological help... it's a whole other thing to blame your bad behavior on your emotional instability. Too many people nowadays (men AND women) have let their emotions run rampant, run the show and run their lives into the ground. The only difference is men are just NOW getting to see what the emotional turmoil is really all about in all it's hellish glory. For better or worse, they are getting more in tune with their actual feelings. The ramifications are proving to be the ultimate "shyt show" for most.

[@Kekoa552]

I feel like it the assumption that woman get child support full percent which is not always the case I’ve seen people in my life single mothers leave with nothing a IN YOUR CASE ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT living in poverty

[@someguy3414]

My parents divorced when I was an infant. The amount of child support my mom received was a joke. My dad all but checked out of my life and went on to remarry and have a successful contracting business. My mom raised me in a tiny apartment and then eventually moved in with my grandma. She worked her ass off, made a good salary with the federal government (a career that spanned 43 years), made sure I never was left without necessities, and supported my social and physical growth through sports and outside of school activities. Because of this, she wasn't able to afford buying her own home again until retirement. Raising kids the right way and doing the best you absolutely can as a single mother is end-game boss level difficult. FnF have zero basis of reality and are just scamming young and vulnerable men out of money they shouldn't be spending on poison like them.

[@lynnespinoza4736]

​@@Kekoa552I honestly don't know a single woman who got child support. Those baby daddies are either in jail or on the run, otherwise they would be fighting in court for their kid. Which I only heard of once, it was my bio dad and he turned out to be p3do. Thank God the court didn't grant access.

[@oldtimer5316]

Your mom sounds like an amazing woman.

[@theseeker7692]

I love how 7:00 tells Destiny to stop being emotional as he continously shows data while F&F are saying "Trust me bro"

[@trugoblin7578]

Destiny be using studies from the 90s to support his arguments lol this is why the lead attorney be whoopin him in a debate.

[@Nish.05]

​@@trugoblin7578From the 90's the man says. The stats are worse now for women. do your fucking research

[@5bandanaz]

@@trugoblin7578we gonna see

[@juanvazquez5836]

I swear these people are living in a different dimension

[@douglassgarvey653]

Exactly! He brings facts and they don’t. First sign that someone is speaking from emotions 😂

[@francisikwueme1688]

The same guys that say women’s value decrease with age , divorcée , have kids are now saying single mums “ get wife’s up all the time smh.

[@Erikshan]

Because your brain cannot comprehend that those 2 can exist simultaneously. Just like value of a girl doing OF is garbage but that does not mean she is not earning thousands and millions and do not have men line up to date them.

[@roguis3451]

@@DisinfoWatch going by the data, no there ain't

[@JamesTheSecond01]

@@roguis3451 what data

[@deistormmods]

Those two things don't contradict. Women do have a way easier time finding a partner. They might not date them, someone else will though.

[@roguis3451]

@@JamesTheSecond01 " The remarriage rate is higher for men than women. The remarriage rate for men in 2019 was 31.5 per 1,000 men eligible for remarriage. The rate for women was significantly lower, at only 19.4 per 1,000 women eligible for remarriage. This data indicates that men are consistently more likely to attempt a second marriage than women. " By: berenjifamilylaw

[@AppleBaron]

"It's not even debatable" damn, such a good argument, almost as strong as "It's just common sense".

[@missinterpretation4984]

I’m going to remember that one!

[@chrisbriscoe7138]

Trust me bro

[@kingrainbow5432]

Bro I know a man who got divorced and his d--k fell off

[@MrLogs1239]

He's actually right, it's not debatable Literally every study I've seen on this shows that men get screwed less by divorce

[@BornOnThursday]

​@@MrLogs1239 Have you considered how Myron feels, lol jk

[@TonyCox1351]

Who does F&F think should raise the kid after the divorce? Men? Because they do a lot of “women are biologically designed to raise kids, men should go out and be the breadwinner” but after divorce it’s like “oh nooo she shouldn’t get custody”

[@Dogan_TM]

Depends on which way shits on women more at the time.

[@Shams-fe6lq]

Also in their recent vid they said it’s the mom’s fault for choosing a bad man if he leaves the children.

[@Macheako]

@@Shams-fe6lq she does bear some responsibility when the guy is obviously non-committal. I’m not gonna let Chris browns 18 different baby mommas slide bro 😂😂❤

[@TonyCox1351]

@@Shams-fe6lq there’s that good ol’ redpill accountability for ya!

[@eigna8914]

Or any money.

[@chrismizuno239]

"Alot of guys watching the show, have never touched a girl in their lives" Destiny for the win🎉

[@Aintnun]

Watch this show all the time and been freakin on hoes since 7

[@mauroblack6284]

Unfortunately the manosphere/rp has created a lot of guys with one of the worst traits to have as a man, being a victim

[@isaiahthomas6744]

The extrapolation that b/c women initiate divorce is b/c they are playing a 4D long game is ridiculous

[@deistormmods]

So 80% of the time, it's the man's fault?

[@Olyrous]

Promiscuity and the option of easy divorces has made it so that women are not that discerning about whom they have children with. It's quite sad actually to see them fall for bad men all the time and forego better men because they are boring in their eyes.

[@srslee5966]

​@@Olyrous crazy how divorce rates have actually gone down over the last 20 years

[@SF-op5ix]

@@Olyrous no male responsibility as usual

[@pvtghost117]

@@SF-op5ix these people literally just rather go on their fefes than look at data, then turn around and call women emotional lol

[@onyx9857]

I work in family court and i can tell you women “win” in court because women are far more likely to stick around for their kid. We get a ton of dads who haven’t seen their kid in 5 years and come in asking for 50-50 so that they don’t have to pay child support. When the judge says “No. you have to work your way up to 50-50 because you are a stranger to this child” the dad’s dip out crying about their “loss” when in fact the dad did this to himself.

[@misha-lo9nx]

imagine if they actually brought in professionals with experiences in the fields they spread misinformation about, like divorce/family lawyers, psychologists, nurses/obgyns/long term care workers, sociologists, etc. so they can educate these men and show them how life works outside their podcast studio 😭

[@srslee5966]

​@Silver yeah that's a fantasy. Men abandoning their kids and thinking they're God's gift because they pay child support is a tale as old as time.

[@SF-op5ix]

@@Silverwidows Most women work…and they’re in their child’s life. The excuse of men being too busy with work to see their child more than once a year is a LIE.

[@SF-op5ix]

@@Silverwidows staying at home or having a part time job does not exist for single moms and single dads.

[@johnchristopher3032]

​@@misha-lo9nx They would make Destiny look bad. He knows nothing about this topic. He sounds almost as bad as FnF for once.

[@Fm83473]

Every time fresh opens his mouth i know he is about to say something stupid

[@crowley3000]

he’s not even dislikeable, he’s just goofy

[@kassandramarie3789]

Fresh more like rancid

[@isaacdeanda3364]

Something like "Imagine a woman is like fruit and man is like a... timeshare"🤣

[@TheMudsnake]

2:28

[@sounddoctrine6159]

You are better than me if you can understand what he even says.

[@elenhin]

Awesome job Destiny, finally cutting through these lies.

[@en_127pt]

Too bad they'll just continue on spewing these lies. It's their entire brand.

[@brizzNcheese]

He literally explained everything to them to the detail, and Myron really just repeats himself again as if nothing was said at all. He’s lost. Myron needs help.

[@Sweatha44]

Myron needs *deletion*.

[@elijahalesana8150]

As an attorney I’ll tell you now Myron is right and destiny is wrong

[@brizzNcheese]

@@elijahalesana8150yeah buddy, you’re called a fringe example. If you research this information, and believe it or not there are more lawyers out there, you’d realize how wrong you are. Sit down man. Please.

[@elijahalesana8150]

@@brizzNcheese 😘

[@brizzNcheese]

@@elijahalesana8150 Why are you blowing me kisses? Are you like Alan Dershowitz? 🙅🏻

[@bramlangebeeke5330]

Destiny is doing gods work trying to talk sense in F&F. I would have gave up so much earlier.

[@Scardor]

given*

[@dmitryalexandersamoilov]

simp

[@cakeboss1721]

His wife gets semen dumped in her by other men and you think destiny is a good role model for men 😂

[@aos5929]

Destiny is a homosexual who’s his wife has a boyfriend I mean a cuck he’s degenerate he can’t do Gods work

[@esco819]

What a weak man😂 imagine looking up to that blue haired lesbian

[@nothinguntouchedpodcast]

People really do think woman are getting 8k for child support for every case 😂. It's really not like that

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

Why is it even an argument? Isn't child support supposed to be money you use to feed and take care of the kid? Like even if the costs of it were 20k and the women got that much, why would that ever be a win for the woman? It's just an extra responsibility to take care of a child whose dad has fucked off. It's hardly in any woman's interest to cause a break-up after she's married with a kid. Also, I don't know how it is in the US, but in my country, divorcees get half of the shit that the couple *acquired* *when* *together* . You don't get to just marry, divorce, take his shit.

[@CousinBowling]

​@@Bai_Su_ZhenMy friend gave like 50% of his salary to his ex for child support....

[@johnnywalker984]

so the guy making 2k a month giving a 304 1200$ of it aint no problem cause its not 8k man you in for a treat in life good luck

[@plutotech]

​@@CousinBowling what was he making a year?

[@womenstriving8960]

@@CousinBowling i mean most of your money goes to child care… that’s why people with kids can’t just go on holidays… they buy food, diapers, have you seen the price of baby clothes, a child lives in a house so rent tf, raising a child will take more than 50% of your salary especially if you want to give them a good life

[@Tami-po3gr]

It’s scary how wrong they are here. How can they influence people and be so damn wrong on easily provable things.

[@Olyrous]

What are they wrong about? Men are hurt after a divorce financially and in terms of their relationship with their children - is that not true? Single mothers may have more trouble finding a second partner afterwards and do all or most of the caretaking, but wasn't that their plan when they file for divorce? When are women going to take responsibility for their choices?

[@ne0nmancer]

​@@Olyrous Women are worse off financially after divorce. You also seem to imply that the only reason a woman would divorce is to replace her husband, that's just stupid.

[@brandonparedes7540]

​@jamestownsassacre9211 where do your morales come from? How do you decide what's good and what's evil?

[@kylebiggles5973]

@@Olyrous Show me where women arent taking responsibility for their actions by wanting a divorce. You're still missing the point entirely that a woman will not divorce and leave their child with separated parents unless it is necessary. Stop being so dense. They're not replacing their husband, they're taking care of themselves despite the challenges they'll face afterward.

[@Olyrous]

@@ne0nmancer I think the statistics might give that picture because divorces are most common among poor people. The legal system is indeed trying to financially compensate the woman for divorcing her man and then some. However, it does not always succeed because the man is so poor he can barely sustain himself on his own. And in that case women's calculation is that they would be better off finding a replacement for their poor partner rather than have to live with his limited means. How successful they are in doing so is a different matter though; hence the epidemic of delusional single women.

[@kuramafox1290]

In a room full of people of people who have opposite ideologies, and viewpoints Destiny is articulate and intelligent enough to defend himself as well as a counterattack. And that too, he holds his ground all alone with rational facts and logic, which is really commendable.

[@JackTheCool115]

Destiny is dumb

[@eluddite889]

Destiny is trying to argue that single moms fair worse after divorce while never acknowledging that the entire reason single moms and old women fair worse is women are hypergamous in general.

[@kuramafox1290]

@@eluddite889 fair enough, hypergamy is disgusting.

[@eluddite889]

@@kuramafox1290 I don't think there's anything wrong with it, it's very normal. But women don't understand that they are, meaning men on average will never be successful being hypergamous, which is why men date younger.

[@silentwitness536]

Destiny contradicted himself. @ 0:22 vs 7:00

[@markharrison6498]

As someone who’s parents divorced and my dad took the house, the car, didn’t have to pay child support and wasted all our money in court I really appreciate these talking points. We didn’t have beds or money for anything other than jam toast for dinner for months after the separation. Dad kept all of the 15,000 acre property he owned and we got nothing. The value of the water on that property was 10 million dollars back in the late 90s.

[@mrgomelonsolaris]

"didn’t have to pay child support" - courts will allow that situation only if he is the one that the kids live with. Child support superseeds any kind of prenup. Your situation is some outlier.

[@markharrison6498]

@@mrgomelonsolaris dad lied about his income. He paid a ridiculously small amount for my sister and I. It was approximately 5 dollars per month for the two of us. My wife had a similar experience. Being hyperbolic of course but $100 per year for two kids is nothing. My Mum was a victim of a physically abusive marriage and didn’t fight hard enough in court to be fair. Dad lied about everything and used his family’s money to afford more expensive lawyers. His plan was to bankrupt us and he would have if mum didn’t eventually threaten to make a claim against the farm which caused him to back off.

[@aaaa-xf3hx]

@@markharrison6498 your situation is still an outlier, the truth is somewhere in between I think. Divorce is not fun for either the man or the women, this idea that either party is living it large, loving life straight after a divorce is complete fantasy apart from very rare exceptions. Breaking up any sort of serious long term relationship is going to be hard for 99% of people and not just a random impulse decision

[@markharrison6498]

@@aaaa-xf3hx i 100% agree with you. I think the now commonly believed myth that men are the true victims of divorce and women generally take all the money is pure fantasy though. While worse off than they would have been if still married, generally the person who doesn’t get custody of the kids is better off financially. Kids are expensive as fuck and I’ve never heard a divorced dad whinge about a child support figure that even seems adequate enough to properly care for a child. The only way we were able to get out of poverty is because mum married another divorced dad.

[@erniechipdouglas9779]

​@mrgomelonsolaris child support is a system anyone self employed can get round. Don't believe the lies about the system benefitting women

[@verberus5277]

They are stuck in this "Men vs Women" mindset. They feel divorce fucks guys, which it can, so it MUST benefit the women. But the reality is, Divorce fucks both parties and Destiny is correct that historically it fucks women harder. Sure, women may get custody and child support and in a minority of cases alimony, but Children ,as great as they are , are a burden in time and money. Alimony and Child Support are at then end of the day a loss because while married they had access to the totality of their partners resources generally now they have reduced access to those resources. FnF are framing it as "Man has 100, Wife has 0 and post Divorce Man has 50 and Woman has 50, so the woman only gains" but that's simply not accurate. Realistically Divorce, even if necessary, is just a loss for both sides, and if a woman doesn't have an established career and has to take care of a logistical burden, it's worse for them. Doesn't mean the guy is doing great, but the negatives just are more for the women.

[@malimal4972]

women don't realize or believe it will be worse and if they are unhappy for one day think it's ground for a divorce and that they will be better off with a kid , but they find out that isn't always the case

[@Silverwidows]

divorce ultimately fucks the child the most, coming from a divorced family, i have the experience to see and feel it first hand. Both my parents are doing fine, im fucked in the head

[@chibaby800]

@@malimal4972 stop thinking with the mentality that women are just oblivious to the consequences of divorce because they think there’s some benefit to it. Most women thay divorce hate it and might have even been persuaded to leave a toxic situation by people who care for them . People weigh their options but just know that staying in the relationship is worse for them than leaving

[@malimal4972]

@@chibaby800 you think every women who divorcés is better off is just ridiculous

[@srslee5966]

@@malimal4972 the majority are. It's incredibly common for divorced women to say(and act on) never remarrying at all because their husband's were more of a burden

[@thegreatestever913]

"Women have an abundance mindset which is why they initiate divorce" *Also myron: "women want just 1 man, whereas men want more women therefore only men can sleep around" "Women have an abundance mindset which is why they initiate divorce" *also myron: "men should get an abundance mindset that way both men and women can break up with each other more"

[@thegreatestever913]

How is it that he thinks women have the power in s3x but he's trying to take that power away and give it to men to abuse it

[@sevensages5279]

Myron is an insecure, beta, goblin.

[@grandmidoister8661]

Well to explain Myron’s first point: If women have an abundance mindset that means they can divorce their current husband (who isn’t the “one man” they want to spend their life with) and find/get with that “one man” because they think they deserve more than what their current man can provide and that “one man” must be out there. I don’t understand your interpretation of the second point you noted from Myron though.

[@nickelback3360]

It’s almost as if he’s a short term thinker only interested in pleasure

[@nickelback3360]

@@haquebe1701 bro he’s just a black man. Don’t think about his positions more than he has

[@tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957]

Average&ObjectivelyUgly ignore the fact that the majority of broken marriages are between people who were not wealthy, and therefore do not result in the woman making off with money and/or assets because there were none to begin with.

[@esco819]

But the guy still has to pay child support and alimony😂 no matter if he's rich or not

[@tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957]

@@esco819 the amount you pay is proportional to how much you earn though... Often zero, if the guy doesn't earn over a certain amount Meanwhile, the mother is burdened with the children regardless

[@esco819]

@Tarqin Quentinsson - obviously not my real name doesn't matter because he still has to get a job and who cares about the single mom. She should've dated a better man. It's on them lol

[@lac7141]

Fit really is a hideous individual, looks like some kid of pug/human hybrid. Wish more of the guests on his show would make him aware of this

[@tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957]

@@esco819 what are you talking about? The father isn't mandated by the state to get a job and earn enough so that he meets the threshold to pay child support Is it not the man's responsibility to be "high value" enough, so that the mother of his children doesn't leave him?

[@zero-jee]

Dating a single mom is not for me personally, but I would never look down on a man willing to take on that responsibility. The fact that they are willing to take on that responsibility is admirable and there are plenty of success stories where the child grows up and looks back fondly on their step parent being an important part in their lives as a parental figure. Calling them simps is just ridiculous. Sometimes they are good men with good values believe it or not.

[@ihanakaunotar2741]

Honestly, I think a man willing to marry and raise a good citizen even if the kid isn’t theirs is quite honorable.

[@Sevr-ln7kk]

its not "admirable" at all. that makes no sense.

[@elpanin5113]

Honestly in its entirety no fucking shit it's admirable to raise a child that didn't ask to be in this world you're supposed to do it idiotic thinking bro smh.

[@roninthesecond3600]

A man dating a single mom is mistake

[@oliverivers]

@ Sev3r333 That’s kind of like your opinion, man, so it doesn’t have to make sense to you. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense to the rest of us who are NOT judgmental.

[@ivordundic6095]

Isn't it Fresh and Fit who have been the front runners the last year of " men don't date single moms because they aren't worth dating because you as a man have to deal with a child that isn't yours", yet here they claim divorced moms get the better outcome as a single person after the divorce? They're arguing against themselves

[@Maximum7077]

They say man are getting less out of it . Where you even watching the video ?

[@missinterpretation4984]

They piece together a story that could be true and then that’s the narrative and it’s “undebatable!” They’ll hear no facts to the contrary 😂

[@johnnyb5534]

Destiny just takes whatever the left's position is and then scours to web to find evidence that supports it while ignoring the overwhelming evidence that goes against it. His takes are generally terrible, he just says them with confidence.

[@modernlegacy5555]

Destiny coming through with common sense 🙌🏾.

[@esco819]

Weak ass fan girl😂

[@uruinsec1624]

liberal soyboy sense

[@VARMOT123]

@@uruinsec1624 as opposite to conservative domestic violence sense

[@laurencameron3150]

@@uruinsec1624 I thought it was facts over feelings tho

[@happilyevernever4289]

​@@laurencameron3150 More like delusion over delusion. Both sides can be extremely blind to facts.

[@lilryry664]

That's so true about child support where I grew up dudes would be bitching about having to pay like $50 a week, and it's like it your kid bro lol

[@aprilleigh-williams6797]

Thank you!!!

[@joemiller7082]

Exactly. Even when it’s like four hundred bucks, that is still barely enough to pay for the kids food and the woman has to schedule her whole damn life around the kid while working full time to pay for their place to live. Driving them around buying clothes entertaining them… But they get that child support check that covers half of the kids expenses. lol.

[@ChibiViolin]

I like how divorced women suddenly turned into single moms 😂

[@Maximum7077]

Disney , I mean destiny trying to manipulate the conversation.

[@boylamont3449]

“Real men shouldn’t be emotional” “Life after divorce is really hard on men and we should care about their feelings so they don’t Roblox themselves.”

[@womenstriving8960]

This is insanity 😂 They really think single mums are balling 😭 Your entire life is about that child bffr 😢 My mum wouldn’t even date when we were younger because she was either working, doing child care or resting! It was hell for her…. I wish my dad dropped some money because it was a sad situation

[@esco819]

Blah blah blah

[@aguy9071]

It’s not about balling. It’s about living a lifestyle that someone else is funding. For no other reason than she’s a woman. If a husband makes 60k and his wife makes 40k, by the time they divorce, the man will be worth like 30/40k and the woman worth 60k/70. Imagine making 50% more in wages just because you divorced your husband

[@lampad4549]

​@@aguy9071yeah you only get that if your lawyer is super bad, if the wife has a steady income and job while being married she doesn't usually get any money post divorce.

[@jostnaleman3738]

funny tho, after my parents divorce my mom was whoring with a lot of dudes while my dad was getting poor, dying of cancer and dependant of my grandmother

[@Saiyaninterloper]

The point is not about "balling"....

[@poadude]

Myron is obsessed with this “power struggle”. Along with the idea of “holding frame” I don’t get how this doesn’t just feel of insecurity to anybody who has had a serious relationship. Unironically saying things like “I want a girl who loves me more than I love her”. It’s weak and pathetic.

[@lilstevechan8427]

I don't think Myron has ever had an adult relationship. Most of his opinions come from some halfassed assumption on how things work based on the framework of "men are persecuted by society, women are soulless manipulators." He can't rationally fathom the inverse ever being true.

[@phantasticmrphasma9874]

It’s very revealing of his weak history. F&F are what i call ‘first time losers’. They spend their life trying to validate their early-life failings

[@yasuke3020]

Because Myron is the kind of nigga that wants to be the victim, at every turn. He CANNOT operate from a position of power, he HAS to be the victim. Can't have pity for a clown that listens to this garbage and takes it as truth. You WILL be alone forever, or end up a rapist. You deserve it.

[@darkrood]

He doesn't wanna feel vulnerable or be at a position "NOT THE ONLY EXPERT". FnF would never have a panel of ACTUAL researchers with DATA showing their points. Myron would get chewed out so many times for lying, FROM ALL SIDES. It's way easier to dunk on young girls who barely graduate from colleges.

[@missinterpretation4984]

Sneako said 85% of child support is paid by men and then said men pay child support in 85% of divorces. I don’t even think he knows those are two different things. I’m seeing 63% of custodial mothers and 38% of fathers so it’s more balanced than they think and it’s very obviously who is willing to take majority custody. If custody was so great, men would fight harder for it.

[@esco819]

Found the lonely feminist

[@creyzi4j]

You are right m. The womans’s sacrifice is bigger.

[@creyzi4j]

@@esco819 you are wrong

[@TheGavrael]

There's a lot you're missing. First, Destiny is off on the average. It's actualy $598-604/month average. That's a 30% error. Second, this number is further skewed by payments actually recieved. Most never actually pay it. If you're a woman, you have about a 33% chance of actually recieving your child support payment. If you are a man, that number is less than 9%. That's means women are 300% more likely to recieve payment than a man. And these figures include ANY form of payment, even a partial payment. No, it's not a windfall unless you're divorcing a .1% man. But if you are both average, court outcomes and payment schedules favor women without question.

[@creyzi4j]

@@TheGavrael if you’re making 600/month average the court of law will not ask you to pay child support by 400/month.

[@Eroegen98]

The way Destiny used Myron's logic against him was lovely. Especially the single mom argument

[@i.o4766]

Actually, that argument made no sense lmao. They get child support. The women fare way better

[@Eroegen98]

@@i.o4766 so they get child support. They're still a single mom. Men for the most part don't want single mom. So she is a woman, single, with kids but she doing better cause she gets child support. So she's doing better than a man that will still have options and still be able to start over. Yeah ok

[@i.o4766]

@@Eroegen98 she has options too lmao. Wtf you mean? There are govt programs that take care of women. My aunt did the same thing and so did 2 of my sisters. They ended up being in better positions than the dudes. One of my sisters now works for the govt. You're going to really say there's no help for these women? You're out of your mind lmao

[@MoonMoon-fx1op]

​@@Eroegen98😂😂 don't even start speaking common sense

[@Lynn-s3i]

​@i.o4766 and just because they get it doesn't mean that the dude pays it

[@moedanglez]

All Destiny had to ask each of them is “would you date a single mom?”

[@NoctisCaelus]

Exactly! They actually advocate to avoid a single mom like the plague.

[@Shams-fe6lq]

These people always talk about numbers where it benefits their narrative. Now when it doesn’t in case of divorce they bring up rare things like suicide and then also “men are probably more depressed after divorce” without any evidence and also always make fun of mental health stuff specially sneaky.

[@ARTDEVGRU247]

Yep they're clowns

[@Fm83473]

It's sneako😢

[@sucram1018]

Right! But when women brought up exceptions to the rule. Myron, Fresh, Sneako and others part of the FreshandFit or if they were guests included would dismiss the women's points, exceptions and say they're talking in generalities. Now all of a sudden FreshandFit are for the exception to the rule. 😂😂😂

[@deistormmods]

Do you need evidence to prove that most men will be depressed after losing custody and half of their assets?

[@sucram1018]

​@@deistormmods Yes, because if your going to make a claim in a debate, back it up. But when women bring up generalities y'all want to dismiss the exception to the rule when it doesn't benefit the FreshandFit argument.

[@thebruh9547]

"Women are capable of experiencing hardship" " W H A T ! ? "

[@jcdaniel55]

F&F always use the most extreme outliers to support their arguments. The just don't live in reality.

[@ediewyse]

I’ve heard them say on this very show, that women who have kids aren’t preferred in the dating market…bro like what??? Did they change their minds?! I wanna see them wife up a single mother. I don’t believe it till I see it.

[@douglaswhalen7065]

Myron is clearly not equipped to argue with someone who has even the slightest bit of knowledge about any subject. This dude just bullies 19year olds all day long and thinks he's an influencer. what a joke

[@SasKP]

That ending was legendary, just perfect

[@johnnywalker984]

yeah it proves everything he said is cap. Men arent even getting laid

[@Queef_Storm]

@@johnnywalker984 No, just FandF fans

[@creyzi4j]

@@Queef_Storm ahahah..burn!

[@EmeraldaKasim]

@@Queef_Storm Nah, like 60% of men 18-30

[@Queef_Storm]

@@EmeraldaKasim Can you provide a source for that?

[@Big-Papa-Smurf]

Another point Destiny forgot to make is that when it comes to single dads, a "high value woman" for them could just be some 18yo bimbo straight out of highschool. That's far more attainable than a single mom trying to find a wealthy/attractive single man. Single moms are competing with an entire generation of younger women. While single dads have already narrowed the competition by being financially stable and still reasonably attractive to most women. Especially if a single dad is able to demonstrate that he loves and cares for his kids, that can actually be very attractive to a lot of women.

[@bigdawglilnuts6107]

In what world does a single dad have it easier than a single mom to find a relationship again? The negative connotation with being a single dad is way worse than a single mother. I don’t see very many single dads out there in the dating market being successful. And how would they be secure in their job and financial stable? Especially having a kid and being young. My mother had time to go to college and further her education and had an easier time getting a job my father did not further his education and could barely get anything. Women inherently have more opportunities now in todays age financially and education wise so I don’t know where you get that from.

[@Big-Papa-Smurf]

@@bigdawglilnuts6107 Why not just google before asking me? Two major factors. Single fathers earn more on average, and they tend to be older, on average, than single mothers. This means that men tend to be more financially stable after a split. As a result, the remarriage rate is much higher for men than women. This is non-controversial, just raw statistics.

[@bigdawglilnuts6107]

@@Big-Papa-Smurf It doesn’t matter how much the man makes after or how much older he is. The fact is a woman’s options vastly outnumber a man’s. Whether she has a kid or not she will have more options. The dating pool for a man is already smaller and introducing a kid into a man’s life is already shrinking the small pool he has to choose from. Just based off that alone he would have a much harder time finding a relationship.

[@toeplus1293]

They agree with that and never said single moms will have better dating chances lol. Destiny was arguing that since men make more money following divorce they “do much better” doesn’t take into account the bias that family courts have when it comes to men. The men generally were making more money to begin with, so it’s a non argument. Then they are legally bound to pay child support or alimony in some cases, on a percentage basis, which is just ridiculous. IMO that’s why it’s a “nonnegotiable”. whoever earned more has more to lose, which is generally men. Then custody is a whole different story on top of it

[@Ni-boo]

​@@toeplus1293 child support is what the father was and would be paying anyway for his child/ren if there wasn't a divorce, no? I keep seeing other people posting this but apparently the whole point of alimony being a thing in the first place was because the wife didn't have any income due to her not working or having a career. I'm assuming that means if the wife works while in the marriage she doesn't qualify for alimony?

[@Flyzo.0]

Fresh be saying “that’s the point!” So often. I don’t think he even know what the fuck the “point” is 🤣🤣🤣

[@sureyabell2082]

lmaoooo

[@princepsbellum3413]

Myron really got his ass handed to him on this one. His only defense was a sneaky tactic (equating sex options with relationship options, which he himself always separates in other debates) and not even that worked.

[@saga685]

They keep ignoring the fact that alimony & child support is spent on the children. Ex wives aren't living it large on these payouts, and if the guy got custody, he'd be spending that money on the kids anyway. And even with men paying alimony, on average they're financially better off than women in the long term. These guys care more about winning than the well being of their children.

[@uns33n]

Alimony is for the wife. child support is for the child. I agree with your main point, but alimony is spousal support.

[@Lipanj92]

​@@uns33n No, it's not. Look it up. Or you're just assuming.

[@saga685]

@s33n I was under the assumption it was for women who have had children, but you are right. However, it still isn't the gold-digging opportunity Fresh & Fit make it out to be. Its arbitrated by state in the US, but Alimony is either awarded temporarily, to rehabilitate a spouse, to reimburse them for expenses during the marriage, or for life. The latter would only be awarded in very specific circumstances that probably don't apply to 90% of divorces. In most cases it seems like it's intended to redress the financial imbalance in the relationship, not for women to "cash out". That also doesn't counter my original point. The ex-wives will likely need that money, because otherwise it impacts their ability to care for the children.

[@uns33n]

@Saga yeah I definitely think fresh ND fit are wrong and morons. Just wanted to point out that alimony is specifically spousal support and is not tied to children whatsoever. And if there are kids involved the alimony money is not earmarked for their care.

[@silentwitness536]

No. ITs usually spent by the mom on drugs, alcohol, fake boobs, etc

[@coriettapadilla9977]

Wow! When my parents divorced my mom literally had to pay my dad's debt and he never paid child support. We struggled and my dad just did his own thing. I don't know a lot of women in my world that scored a bunch from a divorce.

[@BornInsane0]

They should just do a study stream or something where they compare statistics, its not even that hard to setup.

[@adamthemyth]

They need to do a whole series where they go through all the Redpill talking points and corroborate them with replicated studies.

[@deistormmods]

@@adamthemyth They link the studies.

[@ne0nmancer]

They already did like this or last week

[@BornInsane0]

@@ne0nmancer It wasn't with Myron tho, it was with other dudes

[@wileyreid5420]

Listening to F&F try and cope is pure gold

[@MelissaSVice]

Fresh: "Single moms get wifed up all the time." Also Fresh: "If you're a single mom the chances of you getting a guy is practically zero." 🤨🤨🤨🤨

[@francisikwueme1688]

Flip and Flop logic at its finest

[@MelissaSVice]

@@francisikwueme1688 convenient logic at its finest 😂

[@mauroblack6284]

I always hope women don’t get to discouraged when they see a lot of the garbage online, I can completely see them thinking men are bottom of the barrel, or if you were looking for a reason to confirm that, a lot of this stuff along with those channels chats/commenters will absolutely seal the deal for you

[@TheBlindArcher.]

They’re arguing two different things. Women fair better FROM the divorce. Men fair better AFTER the divorce. F&F PREACH not not wife up single moms. Single moms struggle post divorce even though they may have gotten the house, child support, and alimony but relationship wise they’re used goods. A single dad is back to being a bachelor, doesn’t have custody of the kid and can refocus on his career

[@Tam-Ruh4856]

They clearly don’t know how child support works. Like Destiny said. A man bringing in $1,000 a month (which is insanely low, how are they even taking care of themselves) would not be paying $400/mon in child support. He’d probably pay $100 if that. I have a family member who only gets $18 a month because the man is unemployed 🙄.

[@NathanBonline]

Its so weird that so many black men don't push back on the single mom thing, most of us were raised by single moms and i dunno about you lot but I wasn't living the good life till i could work.

[@Channel99899]

"A lot of men who watch your show have never touched a woman in their lives" 😂😂😂😂😂 So true

[@KZSoze]

Yes, men often get screwed in divorces. But yes, Destiny brings up the other aspects which these guys apparently failed to consider in their echo chamber. Especially seeing as they tell men to avoid single mothers altogether.

[@missinterpretation4984]

They say getting the kids is fairing better only because women primarily get the kids. If me. Had to do full time childcare and got on average $400/month, they’d be raging about how unfair that is.

[@malimal4972]

did you divorce your husband to get $400 in child support ?

[@bloodyjar3273]

​@Silver The average family both people are working.. What are you talking about?

[@srslee5966]

​@Silver In the average family both couples work while the woman still does the child rearing

[@bloodyjar3273]

@Srs Lee Yeah that's pretty obvious I don't know what this guy is talking about.

[@berrymckockiner5883]

and if you're earning 900 a week just to pay 400 of that 900, to the kids you never get to see, then you would be crying about how unfair that is.

[@raidenmochi3315]

Child support is for the child. Not for the mother to live a lavish life because of the money given.

[@strangemanjams3853]

Maybe there are less unhappier women after divorce because THEY WERE UNHAPPY IN THE MARRIAGE? And men were happy during marriage. If only men would take in consideration the happiness of their partners through the marriage, divorces would be less frequent

[@jessewills7441]

I think Destiny is the clear winner in this debate. Fresh and Fit have a habit of using the extreme 0.1% of the time outcome as the "majority."

[@silentwitness536]

Destiny contradicted himself. @ 0:22 vs 7:00. He's a dumb guy's idea of an intellectual.

[@jinlin8641]

Out of all the women that got seperated from their husband most of them were because their husband was a deadbeat father, an extra child or an abusive partner and when they did the math, raising the children as a single mom was a far better deal, you also have the scenario where both parties agreed to move on their seperate ways. Of course you have those who cheated and left the guy for better but it appears this is usually a minority. Most people are not jerk but the minority is usually the loudest hence the feeling they're everywhere. The rest of us just go on silently about our lives.

[@francisikwueme1688]

Also women may initiate the divorce more because they tend to be more organized thus why they fill most admin or executive/personal assistant roles. Most women will be the custodial parent thus have to start planning their future and creating stability for their kids. Most men want to have their cake and eat it to, they may like presenting the image of being married to society or for events even if marriage is dead . They also will enjoy access to their kids everyday so they can come and go even if the women is unhappy and they have cheated and birthed other kids. I am Nigerian trust me I see this play out all the time . Women are more nurturing by nature and most men would not even want full custody outside of abuse or neglect so they can pursue careers and enjoy the bachelor lifestyle

[@Olyrous]

Why do women give children to bad men? That is the question. They seem to fall victim to good looks, deceptive or bad boy/macho men they find exciting, when in fact these men have very little to offer as parents. Women should be held accountable for their bad choices in mates.

[@ihanakaunotar2741]

Yep, I have actually heard that from some women and it’s sad, they’re so exhausted physically and emotionally not getting anything positive recognition of what they do that they would rather be single and only worry about the kid and herself. Cleaning after a dirty male who never respects the work you put in keeping the house clean is incredibly exhausting.

[@emilyblanzy7426]

I think this is right right on.

[@sng9846]

I want god to rethink fresh's existence and the point of it.

[@MrWolfy08]

why? he exist to make you feel smart

[@greensciencegeek]

That is the best insult I’ve ever heard….

[@cephas5053]

Thank God that he feels the exact same way about tou

[@uruinsec1624]

So you are a brokie soyboy, i get it

[@maam-yj8ph]

I think I would be happy enough if God would just permanently damage his microphone 🎤.

[@ampatrao]

Myron takes the loss here. I'm 49, married 19 years. In every divorced couple that I know, just in terms of new relationships, not even touching financial stuff, every guy I know eventually found a far better and more fulfilling partner after divorce. Across the board happier and more content men. All but one friend who does extremely well financially and is constantly dating new women. He isn't exactly unhappy with his situation lol

[@francisikwueme1688]

Exactly isn’t that why Kevin samuels considered himself high value ? Even though he was in his 50s , two time divorced with a kid and found his career peak much later in life . Now a woman the same age and circumstance FandF would pronounce post wall and no value . So how can they say women fair better. How. An fresh say the women win because they end up primary or custodial parent in most cases . Does he account the cost for groceries, medical costs , extracurricular activities , day care etc ? Why do some men complain about minimal child support when it is their duty and something they would do if marriage continued . They would be paying the same and more. I Have seen so many men not even fully use their time sharing because they like and want their space. Women are more nurturing and men go out to brace the terrains of the world to bring home the bacon . So most men keep ascending in their careers and increasing their sexual market value. How can they say men don’t care about a woman’s career or what she makes , yet if she stayed home to care for kids and home and have a 15-20 year employment gap they are shocked when the burden of child care may fall on the man smh

[@ladistar]

Dude if you’re middle aged and still dating like you’re 20-something you’re an overgrown man child, regardless of how much money you make. It’s honestly really pathetic and cringe.

[@silentwitness536]

so youre saying, men get destroyed by their first wife, thus proving Myron's point that women control marriage once a man is in one. o.0

[@joemiller7082]

@@silentwitness536the opposite. Getting divorced doesn’t benefit either party, really. Even if a woman gets child support, men still have more money after, but don’t have *any* responsibility aside from that.

[@silentwitness536]

@@joemiller7082 And what about the house? Who usually gets the house? ..... tap .. tap .. tap ...... tumbleweeds..... Exactly. Which gender gets alimony way more? Lifetime alimony in some states (Cali, NYC)?

[@NairuOnLife]

The 85% of men having to pay child support number was used SO much in this to defend their positions. They felt so much comfort using that as a debate piece when clearly women are put in the position of being the caretaker in the family most of the time, leading to a hampering of their financial position in life. It's insane that one can say women want to be the nurturing partner that takes after the kid while the man goes out and hunts and gathers, while also saying that men fair worse than her financially after divorce because he has to pay out each month to the person who took a hit on their career potential to support the needs of the household. So much entitlement.

[@typehazard]

How can they say single moms fair better in the dating scene and then say to all the men don't date a single mom?

[@JamesTheSecond01]

Because single moms will have more options to sleep with than a single man & they say don’t wife a single mom because the kid comes with extra expenses , maybe baby daddy drama , & most of the times you won’t be able to discipline the kid because it’s not yours , or the kid has a I don’t need to listen to you you’re not my dad mentality. So the manage risk you wife a woman without kids and raise your own family. Two things can be true at once

[@deistormmods]

I'm not sure why you don't get what they mean? You can have both cases.

[@MsLittlet97]

LOL when men are picking a women they basically never say “oh I want a single mum” that’s just so not true. Whereas, single dads are seen as attractive if they still have resources. Women lose time. Most women are in there 30s/40s when divorcing!! Everyone knows men find that group of women in comparison to a 20 something less attractive. Women defiantly lose more then divorce.

[@IGiveTheBestTakes]

My mom got absolutely fucked by divorce at one point we were at the brink of literally living on the street while my dad was chillin literally bride order delivery from the philippines my moms still working 2 jobs while hes already started a new family....

[@deistormmods]

Same. But our mothers are the exceptions. In most households, both parents are working.

[@sp6990]

💯

[@sandornibba9794]

Kind of a doubled edged sword how the government helps women a majority of the time with winning custody over the child/ren

[@thanatosonpluto5098]

What's funny is they don't even pay attention to the large majority of men who don't even pay their child support, that is how my dad did it.

[@ElliotScottDating]

They can't just accept the fact that women get hurt from a divorce.

[@karlasantos3147]

As a women, I respect all those single moms out there. I know a few who are really struggling. And I also respect all those men who were raised by single mothers. They are some of the most respectful and generous men Ive met. Truly appreciate what their mothers have done for them.

[@Sashique86]

I looked it up and here's a copy/paste: "Statistics show that while women initiate divorce almost twice the rate that men do, women are also much more likely to greatly struggle financially after divorce. This is particularly true if children are involved. Often, the personal growth found by dissolving a toxic relationship is replaced with the crushing financial and emotional struggle of being a suddenly single parent. However, women tend to be much more adaptable to change during stressful times and often have a much more extensive divorce support group than men."

[@ericlygaming2167]

My brain is getting smoother and smoother every time I hear F&F try to talk their way out of solid points. I don’t know if they have kids or not but I feel like they don’t since they think any amount of money a month is enough to support a child whether it be $400 or $2000. A child’s needs scale up based on the caretakers circumstances. Food, clothes, childcare, school, extra on utilities, insurance, emergencies. Not to mention time. I could go on and on. Divorce affects both parties terribly but in many cases, the mother retains custody of the kid(s) putting extra burden on her so it would be kinda dumb to think women come out better than men (assuming they’re the ones to assume custody). They cite stats and numbers but when Destiny brings up different stats and numbers, it’s all “I feel like…”

[@Sfumatura]

$1k every 2 weeks "is a lot of money for a lot of guys watching the show right now." And somehow they think women are getting into relationships with them while planning for the financial windfall they'll get in a divorce? What planet are these guys on?

[@btowhidi_1713]

These guy’s reference for real work relationships is Tinder 😂

[@chloehammond2836]

My brain becomes deformed after watching fresh and fit.

[@aboachie1]

😅😅😅

[@LuckiestManAlive]

The contradiction is insane. I watch F&F because they're actually pretty entertaining in a Jerry Springer sorta way. But it's crazy to me that they'll say a single mother has way less value to man, and when a woman argues back saying "I see plenty of single mothers find happy relationships", they completely dismiss the anectdote and say "generally speaking, single mothers aren't getting long-term relationships with men." Which I would expect. Because if they agree, then their whole belief system about womens value falls apart. But then Destiny uses the exact same argument in a different subject, and now they're saying single mothers are out here finding long-term partners with no issue?

[@mitchrapp5214]

With High Value Men is their point. The guys women want. There are millions of simps they can settle for.

[@LuckiestManAlive]

​@@mitchrapp5214 It's amazing to me that you can throw out the word "simp" while simping for them in the same statement. Here I am referring to a show that I watched, and without you even knowing which show it was, you immediately jumped to their defense as if you knew the entire context of the conversation. To be clear. No, that wasn't their point. I'm referring to a particular show that I watched where the woman clarified that she understands that high value men wouldn't want a single mother, and then followed up that statement saying she knows a lot of single mothers who end up in long-term relationships with the average man. F&F doubled down and said what they said applies to all men.

[@LuckiestManAlive]

@@DisinfoWatch Obviously. Nobody's disagreeing with that. Whether people are simps or not is besides the point. The point Destiny was making was that single mothers aren't doing as well as F&F think they are after divorce. People can't say that men with high incomes are rare, then turn around and say these single mothers are getting with men with high incomes and end up doing better than the men they divorce. It's ridiculous.

[@Douglas-nt7jd]

Fresh and Fit don't seem to realize the average person's situation

[@KendraSmith087]

They are talking about the top 10 percent. When my daughter dad and I split up, I didn’t even have enough money to get a lawyer if I wanted to. I don’t think the majority of women are getting a lawyer and taking their husband to the cleaners. Does it happen? Yes. Is it the norm? No.

[@deistormmods]

Did you get full custody and half his assets?

[@KendraSmith087]

@@deistormmods We share custody and pay for half and half for our daughter. No child support. In fact he keep the house. However, I will say that wasn’t decided by the court, that was decided by the two of us. We kept everything we could out of court. Everything was agreed upon by the two of us. We were not putting our daughters life in the hands of a judge that knows nothing about her or us. Again, even if I wanted to try to take him to the cleaners, I couldn’t even afford a lawyer, so there was no getting assets. Fighting for assets involves getting a lawyer. Also, we were normal people, we didn’t have a bunch of assets. The only asset was the house that we both paid 50/50 for, so if I wanted some from the house, that wouldn’t be taking his assets, it was ours.

[@silentwitness536]

its the norm, in terms of it being way more common. Stop lying.

[@KendraSmith087]

@@silentwitness536 I was talking about my experience and others around me. If you are hanging out with a bunch of shitty people taking each others kids and assets, that a reflection on you not me. Have a good day bro 😎

[@silentwitness536]

@@KendraSmith087 anecdotals are irrelevant. Most women choose men that wont stick around on purpose, so they can be a karen and control their kid 100% while playing the victim. Its a fantastic scam.

[@GTS-dh9wj]

Myron Gaines owns 18 properties 2 Restaurants 2 Grocery Stores 2 Delis 2 gas stations 2 Laundromats 2 Cleaning businesses 2 auto repair shops 2 homes owned by Richu & Gurkirat

[@amosiren]

They simply can't wrap their smooth brains around the fact women would rather leave a toxic relationship even knowing we are going to struggle, even knowing we are going to start all over, even knowing we are going to have a huge financial upset- and doing it anyway because it's still going to bring us peace not being with the toxic men sitting at that table. The knowing of all the nagative things is what scared us into staying LONGER in the first place, but sooner or later, we need to choose the path that's harder, but will bring us peace.

[@abshaheen5713]

How is Myron saying this about single mom. Wtf his whole thing is about how womens value is being young and hot

[@ARTDEVGRU247]

Facts. He's stupid

[@kylerBD]

Saying what?

[@abshaheen5713]

@@kylerBD that they fair better after divorce.

[@kylerBD]

@@abshaheen5713 Oh my bad im completely cooked. I don't think he is taking in account the dating market. He is only looking at the on paper outcomes for divorce, alimony, child support, child custody etc. Which are generally won by women in divorce. But how much of that matters when single moms are 9/10 skipped over by single men and chances are that they wont find another partner, and if they do find one they wont be a high quality partner/ her settling just to find a partner.

[@deistormmods]

@@kylerBD He is taking into account the dating market. Single women can often find a man more quickly. Just compare the amount of men willing to be step dads vs the amount of women being step moms if the dad has custody. And if the kids are preventing her from finding a husband, she should exchange custody, but that doesn't happen because she does end up finding a new husband.

[@SolidCheshire]

Do F&F realize that when they say stupid shit like that there are immediatelly hundreds of people that have the experience to know for a fact that they are wrong even within their own community? My parents were separated for 7 years and my mother had it 100 times worse.

[@supernova7848]

Destiny doing the Lord’s work , annihilating RedPillers one house of cards at a time 😂😂

[@zackbrown5201]

No he is not

[@roguis3451]

@@zackbrown5201 how? He just destroyed them in this video using data and they only responded with feelings

[@zackbrown5201]

@@roguis3451 data can be manipulated to fit an agenda. Google is a search Engine and not a truth Engine . Data also revealed about covid deaths and we know it played out lol

[@savagegamer2292]

​@@roguis3451lol you funny.

[@dannygillmusic]

Dudes got blue hair lol

[@comecombat5060]

Destiny: 'so we're gonna use suicide as a metric?' I mean we are talking about who's affected worse by divorce. I've never really heard Destiny make a good argument, not once. And the comments section just goes to show that if people like you in relation to other people, if they're your "fans", you don't need to have good arguments, you just need to talk and they'll agree.

[@valhalla6991]

I love how Myron chokes on his own words and reapeats the same thing over and over again like braindead 😂 He has literally no argument and lacks the humility to admit it

[@MiguelAJzplaylist]

So I think what f&f fail to realize is that there are so many circumstances to marriage and divorce, that it can’t just be this one thing. Something that happened to me recently is I had an epiphany about why my relationship is failing and ending. 1. I didn’t have a father to teach me how to be a man, a father, or a husband. I thought when you got those things you become them and just work from there but no… there’s a lot more to it than that. 2. I don’t think men really think out what type of relationship they want. A lot of men just follow the women’s lead and it leads them to divorce and ruin cause they didn’t take the time to think it through. 3. A lot of men are just immature. And it could be a bunch of factors that are contributing to this 4. I think men and women are having a hard time ADAPTING to our new society and ways of living. This isn’t the 1970s anymore. Women need to do their part financially and men need to step up and mature more.

[@deistormmods]

Feminism does a play a big role. It wasn't like this in the past or even other countries.

[@aguy9071]

What does the step up and be mature part mean?

[@MiguelAJzplaylist]

@@aguy9071 by stepping up I mean, women are out earning men on a lg scale so I think a lot of men get complacent and don’t try for the next big thing. And by maturing I mean, I think a lot of men are petty and don’t really portray what a “real” man is. I’ve been looking for a male role model to show me what a man is and it’s hard in the real world. The best example I could find was Uncle Iroh from avatar. His whole persona is what a “MAN” should be.

[@MiguelAJzplaylist]

@@deistormmods but you have to see that things are different now from when feminism was first created. And that’s why I say men and women are having a hard time adapting to this new society. We are both holding on to something from the past, that only works for some people. If this is the society that’s being perpetuated, then both sex’s need to get their heads out of their asses and start adapting rather than fighting. There’s redpill, bluegill, but people fail to realize that there is a middle.

[@MiguelAJzplaylist]

@@deistormmods if you’re stuck on one side of the spectrum, then you’ve got some growing up to do. One side is extremely masculine and the other is extremely feminine with some masculine lol. But we all need to find a balance between both

[@funnyguy1321]

Crazy how a quick Google search shows the multiple studies saying men fare better post divorce.

[@simonwinn8757]

You know what also crazy. Most companies would prefer to hire single father's who have a child to support, since they are more likely to do overtime.

[@babymillennial2785]

​@@DisinfoWatch that you think that makes things better is telling. My dad whined about paying $1200 monthly for his two kids while easily paying the city's higher taxes *and* rent and never *once* seeming financially stressed about anything, while my mom barely scraped by and did pretty much all the work to raise me and my sister.

[@roguis3451]

@@DisinfoWatch But alimony is only awarded for 15% of all divorce. And of course if women are in the home taking care of the children and housekeeping, they will need alimony, that's literally what it was made for: Helping now single mothers financially since they haven't been in the job market for a long time

[@roguis3451]

@@DisinfoWatch bro won't accept 2022 data in 2023 💀💀💀💀

[@funnyguy1321]

@@DisinfoWatch Yet your first response was literal cherry picking like you're any better at making your argument?

[@Jaymaul009]

Destiny needs to start asking these men how much they’d need to be paid to be the primary caretaker of their child. Dad has to pay mom for his share of the work involved in raising the child when he is not there.

[@jamiealfenso737]

Most abusers do not need to leave their relationships. Most of the time the victim is the one to leave.

[@chancemenard1753]

I always think it’s interesting how he never pushes back on Destiny talking over him.

[@laurencameron3150]

Because Destiny has a penis

[@MoonMoon-fx1op]

Cause he'd bottom for Destiny

[@thefogiscoming00]

As somebody who has divorced parents, my mother has custody of me and my brothers, she has a great job with a degree and I help her pay for things with the money I make from my part time job, and we are still struggling.

[@kevonslims7269]

They’ve been pushing out these generalizations for so long that when Someone give them some actual facts and numbers their arguments and talking points looks ridiculous.

[@delornegg]

In my experience a lot of women are so obsessed with marriage because they're trying to fulfill a childhood fantasy of feeling like a princess or just grow up feeling like it's what makes you successful as a woman.

[@ruka939]

True, as a woman I have met too many women like that I can count like ten in the close family circle. The sad thing is these womens obsession with marriages always bites them in the ass

[@deistormmods]

If success is determined by happiness, then marriage and kids would make a woman successful. The unhappiest person in America is a 40 year old career women with no husband and kids.

[@yonce2347]

And rightfully so.

[@delornegg]

I think the point a couple people are missing is the "obsession" shouldn't be with marriage, but with finding the right guy. Women will rush into marriages just to get married far too often.

[@shaymalchione809]

In my experience it’s more about women wanting the man to choose her. The ring & marriage represent that he doesn’t need to look any farther he’s done you’re the one. Without it the woman feels he’s still looking. Yes the dress & ceremony is something a lot of women dream of since childhood but that’s not the main reason.

[@victorias2669]

These “dudes” are speaking of women who would be married to billionaires, not an average women on the street. Delusional. So painful.

[@makishabelle4015]

Aren't these the same guys that say that single mothers are, recreational use only? They basically tell all single mothers that they are of no value. Now when it doesn't suit their argument, they have value. Be consistent.

[@CandyBM9]

They never fact check their opinions before spewing out nonsense. This is why Destiny is needed

[@stevenjnagal2433]

2:30 that stutter tho😭💀

[@XIIIM]

classic

[@aaronddamulira8818]

I’d prefer if fresh didn’t talk at all.

[@RandyBaumery-s4i]

Destiny's open marriage backfired! 😅😅😅

[@silentwitness536]

haha kzbin.info/www/bejne/bn7PZpaVh9SSjMU

[@eastafricanqueen9866]

When destiny sounds smart something is really wrong

[@mohitvaghela9590]

One simple thing anyone can do - what destiny said, search for financial condition for men vs women after divorce. You'd get your answer. And even then if you support Myron, you need help.

[@averagejoe225]

I literally just went to a child support calculator site to see what the amount could possibly be. Assuming the mother takes custody, for a couple with 1 child who divorces each making the average income in my state (FL), the father would owe her $458.75 a month. Now there may be some additional fees to help with medical bills and education, but bro that is NOT a lot of money. It's shockingly little actually.

[@sp6990]

Yes. And even when it sounds like a lot, it usually isn’t. I live in NYC. Daycare is $1000 a week 9-3 pm. So you still have to pay someone to pick your kid up and keep them for a few hours until you get home. This also doesn’t include food. Most daycares require you to bring it or pay them to provide it, so that would be extra too.

[@francisikwueme1688]

Yep that is one months of groceries and probably less than what a single mum had to spend growing children . Not menthol out of that and her job cover her portion of extracurricular activities , clothing , plan vacations and just trying to provide as normal of a well rounded childhood for kids.

[@francisikwueme1688]

@@sp6990I even forgot about daycare which is a mortgage payment even here in Florida

[@sergioleal613]

“It’s not debatable” *gets totally destroyed debating it*