Beta Bully - 5 facts I believe aren't true

[@SWEGTA]

Tyler Wilson himself uploaded his Bully 3D renders to imgur. imgur.com/gallery/H5Wfe Zoe is listed as "Punk Chick". Fight me, Simon.

[@MrSonicTeam]

swegta.... ur name is simon too whoops...

[@User-zo5nt]

Hi swee gta

[@edward7434]

Well Zoe does wear punk clothing even in the final game

[@bannie6151]

But she does not have a bullworth logo on her alpha uniform

[@harryarmstrong658]

I think the swastika one is purely speculative based on the fact Bully was initially much more adult-oriented, so it'd make sense for what is clearly an SS uniform to have a swastika, especially on a character like Gary.

[@watcos_indoncaumawt]

@I committed tax fraud nope

[@sodadogkarbonated]

I think your video may have cleared up on certain rumors surrounding Bully's development. I have a hunch that the first trailer was made in the middle of 2006, or earlier in that year (Thanks to the infamous second cut Boys' Dorm floor) and I probably think was originally purposed for E3. The controversy going on likely left development of the game on-and-off, which caused the developers to take extra caution by removing dialogue to get the T Rating. It was highly possible that they didn't have enough time to implement additional things, including that Grottos and Gremlins minigame they stated in an interview. If it weren't for Thompson, we would have gotten the game earlier, And since Scholarship Edition didn't restore much of those cut elements (as well as introducing a ton of glitches they will not and likely will never bother to fix), Bully is one of the titles that remain to be rushed compared to the likes of San Andreas.

[@SimonBestia]

You know, it actually makes sense! The second trailer was released only 10 days after the first one, yet the game is heavily changed and might be very close to the final version, another interesting thing to notice is that sometimes the characters switch textures during the trailer, so it was most likely being remade, but they forgot to update all the cutscenes. (pay attention to the Academy emblems on the vests) Either that or they just work really really fast.

[@sodadogkarbonated]

Plus, that press book kit seems to have been made around months before Bully's announcement, as some screenshots show most of the characters in their form in the final game.

[@watcos_indoncaumawt]

@@SimonBestia 2:41 Nathan did a video about the swastika

[@braiand_md]

The last screenshot looks really interesting, BULLY have completely different feel, you can restart mission there, looks really interesting, if only they add all of those beta feature for the exclusive content for PS4 version, that would be great, i dont say the final version is bad or something, but beta version is just "interesting"

[@TheBklah]

never seen that last screenshot before. interesting

[@fagglebag]

TheBklah Here’s a list of, I believe, all known promotional screenshots, including the beta ones: bullymods.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56

[@albertpetrovichiii]

Me neither! I didn't know about ANY of those!

[@sponk3127]

The exterior of the beta boys dorm has no attic in swegta's bully press kit video it shows the boys dorm and theres no attic its leading to the bathroom maybe because when you enter the boys dorm its in the side and its leading to the bathroom

[@HanstheBoss1]

And one more fact about the boy dorm you could still find the mirror there

[@muhammadghifari2379]

i think the reason why some people think gary had the symbol on his arm is because of a screenshot where he's laying down on jimmy's bed and on his arm, a few pixels colored red can be seen. im not sure i remember where i watched the video about this or if the video's telling the truth but yeah.

[@jenonthespeccytwat]

in the games code, russell is named as a dropout (dropoutlead) which says that just like the comics, russell was part of the dropouts. But in the comics the dropouts were the punks so we never know if zoe couldve been a punk

[@jenonthespeccytwat]

Also, the swastika on garys suit was proven true with an old book with beta screenshots of halloween and it shows gary with a red armband on his left arm

[@amartyapandit]

Jimmy being bad would have been an interesting story we would have played as an actual bully in the final game he's very much like the other gta characters mostly niko . laid back calm with a sense of sarcasm .Great video played the game 2 years ago loved it always had the question would I survive in bullworth? And I think I might have what do you think about yourself?

[@jurielynsolano92]

I would die easily if i was a nerd,i would be deported easily if i was a jock but if i was like Jimmy hopkins,Same thing would happen but slightly differently,i might so slow on some enemy

[@weirdface1846]

u would survive if u would stay in ur dorm room after class :p

[@Tornadic]

In that last screenshot I think there's a radar on the bottom right I believe, the UI looked very cool in the beta. Great video, Simon. By the way, what's the song used in the intro? I know it's a variation of the carnival date, but I can't seem to find which one.

[@SimonBestia]

It's called MS_PrepFight in the files.

[@Tornadic]

SimonBestia Thanks Simon.

[@Kizoky.]

GTA SA's side wasn't limitations, but rather the game was huge that It could have come with 2 DVDs

[@KISSbestfan]

The 2 DVD version was another myth, because PS2 can read dual layer discs (and it was used during development GoW 1 and 2). There was no need to put the game on seperate discs, like it was done in previous gen times. Besides, there is still quite a lot of unused content left in-game, if the disc space was such a problem, they could've deleted all unnecessary stuff (like dozens of unused voicelines).

[@LorshZontek]

Hey simon you wake up with the other leg missing

[@tuzar359]

Where'd you find the screenshot at 3:53

[@SimonBestia]

On David Byun's website. david.byuncreative.com/?p=350

[@TordaiJenoArthurJenci]

Scolarship Edition is just a lazy port they only readded the unfinished missions that are cut from PS2 they were too lazy to re add everything and fix everything lazy rockstar they dindt even care to fix the ps2 missions

[@oasismaybe.5482]

The swastika part is actually true i know you might be baffled to why I will state why the game was intended to be more cruel and hence why Jimmy Hopkins had blood on his back golden strip.

[@watcos_indoncaumawt]

Yes, Nathan shared a photo of that

[@Vixenaustin]

I really wish the boys' dorm was more explorable.

[@zorgapb4691]

I love this so much

[@Thomas4]

You deserve more subs. :( Btw, what's the song you used in 3:30?

[@SimonBestia]

It's called MS_RunningMid in the game's files. Or you can find it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnTdY5qPp5lqsM0

[@Th3RealPeterGriffin]

That's the regular sound track I feel like

[@reginacabral7776]

Dude i am so scared of evil face jimmy

[@KISSbestfan]

I believe that Bully was made using the VC engine. SA engine was even more improved.

[@KISSbestfan]

Not exactly. GTA III was based on standart renderware. VC had it much improved, so it was no longer a standard renderware. SA was even more improved, the changes consisted mostly on better draw distance. Bully being developed after VC was created using the VC engine, just like San Andreas, and you can see that clearly on beta screenshots. SA was a game with much more attention and work put than Bully, where the changes were minor, mostly because the map is smaller, and there was no need to upgrade the draw distance. Liberty City was also based of the VC engine, not SA as many people claim. VCS on the other hand is upgraded VC, but not yet SA. The mobile ports are even more upgraded, graphics stretched to 720p, and even bigger draw distance. In general Rockstar reused the VC engine and assets, I believe it also went for Manhunt and The Warriors

[@fagglebag]

KISSbestfan I read on Wikipedia that Bully’s engine was an upgraded version of SA’s.

[@KISSbestfan]

Maybe for the mobile version, but the PS2 doesnt even look like it could be SA engine. The "source" for the Wiki information doesnt states anywhere that it was SA engine. It only gives us this info: "GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas and Bully, for all their awesomeness, did not run off publisher Rockstar's own tech, but were instead facilitated by Criterion's Renderware engine". Im not sure how many changes were applied during the many development stages. But this is a different subject. I remember some interesting videos on youtube with map swapping (VC in III, and SA in VC), and the results were not as bad as you may think. Im sure you can find it. Also consider comparing the mobile port with other releases, and see how weird it looks like - and it was clearly based off the GTA mobile series engine.

[@KISSbestfan]

Well it all depends. Bully has certainly different weather and daytime than GTA games. The proper lighting also does its job. Id also say that the map itself creates an illusion of the more detailed world. The same thing can be said about GTA V. The map is huge, but most of the streets are empty, while Bullworth is very small, but with many unique places. Also bear in mind that even tough SA PC port has mostly improvements in the gameplay and keyboard+mouse compatibility, it also had some changes in the graphic engine. PS2 version is known for the "orange sky" effect, while in PC version the weather effects were changed to resemble those from the real world. Bully port for the PC used different engine, thats why the game looks a lot different. With this knowledge, you can answer to yourself why Bully might look better than SA. Personally I think that games made by Rockstar during the renderware era are the best with a reason. They had managed to create an unique atmosphere in the games, and this is what made GTA series so popular. GTA V is just an example of a high-budget game with boosted graphics for its times, thats why it was a success, but the same can be said about many other games from that period, just like The last of us. The game itself had no predecessor - just was released by Naughty Dog, known from making Crash and later Uncharted. Survival horror games were popular long before the game was made, and yet it was a massive success. In my opinion it was also a high-budget game, with boosted graphics. Yeah, of course it was still followed with a solid story, but lets be honest, there are still being made many point and click games still being made, with even better stories, and those does not sell as well. Moving into RDR 2 to me its just following the path Rockstar had decided to follow 10 years ago after creating GTA IV. Sadly I think that we wont ever again have the "renderware era" games by Rockstar. Bully sequel is a big possibility for me, but it wont be the same game no more. It would be just another high-budget game with boosted graphics - set in school ... PS. consider this one when it comes to the budget. GTA VC budget was 5 milion dollars, and for many its the best GTA game ever made (even tough after many years it turns out that its broken af and using the SSU you can complete it under 10 mins). GTA IV budget was around 100 million - and GTA V whooping 265 million. This is a huge jump for Rockstar, thats why my theory stands, that they arent interested no more in making a game with the feeling and vibe, its now easier to produce something expensive. This is why Im not very optimistic about the video games market, and not really interested in newest productions. Of course, there are always indie games, but many of them are just based off the nostalgia for NES and stuff ... Maybe its time to learn how to create video games like they were back 15 years ago ?

[@paulielol2184]

KISSbestfan the PS2 version of Bully uses RenderWare The Scholarship Edition uses the same engine Fallout 3/New Vegas uses.

[@penggwinn]

Love You Man.Keep It Up.

[@ryderakashermhead8527]

The straff room? I think you meant staff room

[@Evanski]

I feel like last one is a yes and no question I think its a yes as for a concept story line The one where crabblesnitch was the main boss bad guy roll credits guy, jimmy would be a jerk like he is in chapter 1s gary missions And his monologue when starting chapter one I feel its also a no As the game became more developed and the controversy around it

[@ivanflores944]

Y so late it's 4am

[@bannie6151]

Does anyone know why they got rid of the boys dorm second floor?

[@mynameisnotbob6369]

Ps2 limitations because the xbox version got canceled, the game became an exclusive to ps2 and the ps2 had less space .

[@Supersayainpikmin]

@@mynameisnotbob6369 That makes no sense.

[@khairanitamanrevival5418]

Please do beta bully character

[@Gunneramma]

finally someone debunks these

[@dreymaxgalaxy4062]

hello broder

[@alexrk8003]

Where'd you find the screenshot at 0:41

[@SimonBestia]

It's on David Byun's website: david.byuncreative.com/?p=350

[@SU76M]

@@SimonBestia So it's not a screenshot, just a concept art. Well, anyway you didn't say that.