Beta64 - Persona 5

[@Beta64]

all the puns in the comments make me very happy lol edit: don't worry, the new persona in Royal I mentioned in the video isn't related to the story, it's just DLC. carry on 👍

[@ivilitton815]

Beta64, will there still be a video for Spongebob Squarepants Battle for Bikini Bottom? (And to be specific I'm talking about the CONSOLE version) Also, Stay Safe. 🙂

[@gorbaglon1839]

poop

[@StickFiguresMaster]

I’ve looked around for videos explaining stuff about Super Mario Kart R which was the beta name for Mario Kart 64 and no-one has made a quite in detail or explanatory video about its beta and such, I’ve wanted to ask you if you could find out about Super Mario Kart R, you have a video about the generations of Mario kart from Mario kart 64 until the switches Mario Kart 8, but you didn’t explain stuff about Mario kart 64’s beta being Mario Kart R, can you track down some beta content of it and make a video on its beta? :3

[@neptune3569]

Andrew, what are your sources for these things? Where can I find development information about video games?

[@Beta64]

Google first and foremost haha Really dive deep and don't be afraid to ask people questions who know a lot about it!

[@BG_MONKY]

igor appearing behind Mishima is actually the funniest unused thing i've ever seen in this game thank you i love this

[@MUSQUIZanimation]

A Person on KZbin I found is scary too. Haha.

[@skeletonentertainment4201]

Timestamp?

[@AliPearls]

Skeleton Entertainment it’s at 33:27

[@Hellhound90008]

I just imagine Igor saying "nothing personel kid" then stabbing him with his nose

[@Hetsu..]

@@Hellhound90008 ROFL

[@dataecto6135]

"One of the many people my wife said I should date" is very weird out of context

[@Reoko77]

My wife's boyfriend's goldfish agrees.

[@mann-nova9392]

Awww he's married?...

[@viracocha6093]

@Reoko as for your wife’s husbands goldfishes wife’s boyfriend?

[@millythompsonfromtrigun98anime]

Mann-Nova you say that like you want to marry him. Tbh I see where you come from

[@megido878]

egeeinee

[@maka1077]

"As long as you have Futaba in your party, there will be no spoilers" *Shows Akechi's bossfight and mentions every palace ruler*

[@ITZBerto]

like thank fuck im on the last palace in royal

[@eyoshinthemaximum]

I feel bad for the people who were like “I have Futaba, I should be good” then got Alechi’s entire storyline spoiled

[@AStarInAndromeda]

I feel like viewers should just use their own discretion with spoilers, especially with Persona 5, since literally anything could be considered a spoiler for different people.

[@evgenyti3250]

@@AStarInAndromeda Well seeing spoilers without any alerts for the storyline past the point the video said it would not touch is not the viewer's fault. I wanted to watch this video after getting Futaba on the team, but got stabbed with Akechi spoilers out of nowhere so I now still have to delay the watch but am also bummed out by the spoils

[@monke1599]

@@AStarInAndromeda it's more that he literally had an innacurate spoiler warning

[@jaysutter9934]

Devastated that the rats’ running animation was changed in the final game

[@Beta64]

😞😞😞😞😞

[@Kaisona2017]

It still appears when you escape from battle as a rat.

[@TheName983]

@@Kaisona2017 dang, I was too much of a gamer to get caught as a rat, so I've never seen it

[@Otize1]

@@TheName983 weird flex, but ok

[@nierautomatalol]

i’ve noticed in p5r’s thieves den that after completing shido’s palace, you can go to the transformation tiles and one of the “outfits” or whatever are the rats. so you could run around as rats but the thing was, almost everyone ran on their four legs meanwhile joker was running with two legs and his arms up. i thought that was interesting.

[@luigismemes]

Beta64: Joker originally lives in Sae's apartment. Me: *HOO BOY*

[@Namingway248]

the idea of that mixed in with the early concept of akechi being makoto's brother would've put so many dangerous, adverse characters under the same roof.

[@artenthusiastae7196]

@@Namingway248 Some Jojo part 8 shit

[@tsumetai_kaze]

I've seen enough hentai to know where that was going...

[@Zionga]

I thought they were going to live in the same apartment complex not apartment itself

[@acdenton5726]

@@Zionga footage of an unfinished P5 shows Joker in an apartment with a beta sae (When her design resembled bayonetta)

[@aidenschwenger1516]

No spoilers as long as you've got Futaba in your party... And Akechi's phantom thief outfit looks like this!

[@apollojustice9401]

Ikr

[@Mebbyness]

And here is Akechi's [REDACTED].

[@thegreyhound]

@@Mebbyness wait... what do you mean by his [REDACTED]?

[@thechineserussian]

@@thegreyhound CA CAW CA CAW

[@npc_pigeon]

you can see it on the title screen lol

[@apoluke72]

Fun fact: in the Italian translation of Persona 5 Royal, Ryuji says the f-word on a regular basis

[@ryleesmith-taylor7433]

Thank you, I can die happy knowing this.

[@maxspecs]

Let Ryuji curse!

[@taffmeister584]

Thanks spaghetti bois, Ryuji can say fuck since his mom isn't around

[@Pokemonleafmon]

Wait... I swear I've seen Ryuji say fuck in game. Or maybe I'm thinking of only text based situations without talking...

[@exsonas423]

WhoCanusMaximus yeah he says fuck in text messages but is never voiced actually saying it

[@azrieldreamer]

Unused Sojiro looks like he ate a fire flower

[@Yami_Industries]

or like colonel sanders lol Edit: thanks phoondos

[@phoondos]

@@Yami_Industries colonel

[@karma3888]

He looks like Guy Fieri in a sort of way

[@amychi_]

Give time stamp

[@phoondos]

@@amychi_ no watch the video

[@xerxesmontes9828]

43:58 "Disguise yourself as a handsome man." But Joker and Ryuji are already fine male specimens.

[@Breakzonmyspace]

Wtf

[@nettlesomenpc889]

What about the lobsters?

[@thegoldmario4879]

Fair

[@laravioliiii2832]

They have to disguise themselves as less handsome men since people would be bless insta killed if they looked at them both at the same time

[@xerxesmontes9828]

@@laravioliiii2832 That's right. Its too OP.

[@n8than26]

Igor *Teleports behind Mishima* : "Nothing personal kid"

[@wh0srusty]

mishima proceeds to be donutted

[@Stickyz]

Nothing personel kid

[@CrashtonVI]

Lmao

[@sonoda944]

Then he proceeds to stab mishima with his nose

[@brianstryker4536]

NANI?!

[@peardude8979]

"Here's Akechi as a rat." That's an image of normal Akechi.

[@karot1137]

YOU DON'T MISS

[@imjustsomebunny]

Oof ouch

[@gilbertwilbert9919]

Ya a rat

[@Poofee01]

Akechi is bad

[@idontknowanymore9966]

*is showed a picture of normal akechi and rat akechi* me: they are the same picture

[@BP-bq9uz]

44:50 I’m pretty sure this was supposed to mirror the mechanic in Persona 3 where you could have your party individually break off and explore Tartarus, using the tactics button outside of battle.

[@oceanworm1345]

I would have loved this feature

[@spydersoup8447]

And I think the red portraits would've been used for if they end up getting ambushed by a shadow and have to fight it by themselves, like how this can happen to the party members in Persona 3.

[@spydersoup8447]

@@oceanworm1345 The problem is they don't gain any EXP if they fight a shadow all by themselves.

[@vanillafloat]

@@spydersoup8447 but they do

[@THICCTHICCTHICC]

@@spydersoup8447 they do though

[@Ramo123ism]

33:27 Man I'd ****** myself every contract I made in the game. That was creepy as hell having him show up. Imagine talking with Sae in the interrogation room and suddenly Igor shows up standing right behind her creepily saying "Congratulations. You have formed a new contract"

[@bubblegumkk8158]

That would've been so dope. Out of all the beta elements, thats the one I really wish made it into the final version

[@aryandescendant6116]

@@bubblegumkk8158 I had a dream where Every time I finished something,Igor would appear,say "Congratulations,you have formed a new contract,and then snap out of existance[Ex:Me brushing my teeth,and the Igor shows up]

[@anjoliebarrios8906]

@@aryandescendant6116 Congratulations, you have s*** your pants. You have formed a new contract.

[@DreamcastSwirly]

I screamed.

[@ikhwananimationsbeyondweeb4528]

Atlus: **remove Hifumi from the team because the game is already too long** Kasumi: **laughs in Royal**

[@johnsanchez9944]

to be fair, the added a whole palace, two new months, two (technically 3 because akechi) confidants

[@pumpdaddyg]

Their names even sound the same

[@ahok1937]

@@pumpdaddyg Well, yes, but actually, no

[@tobequitefranco]

Injustice

[@Homururu]

@@johnsanchez9944 it looks like two months, but it's actually less than one

[@MrGreendragon11]

Ik Maruki wasn't added until Royal but his doubt confidant definitely would have been that meme where your credit card declines at the therapist's office and they psychologically abusing you

[@averyforgettablebread4293]

Damn, imagine if every time you make a new friend there is a man with long nose in front of you that is proud of you for socialising.

[@KetchupRocket]

My dad in middle school

[@SonicRoarinWaters]

He's just like "good job I'm proud of you get plenty of sleep and stay hydrated please you need to avoid ruin"

[@PajuTheAccursed]

Gru just appears

[@yaboipktendo]

Help, Theres this purple Dressed man Standing behind my friend but the only Thing He says "Wah!"

[@タブリス-t4v]

wait, is that not supposed to happen?

[@chrisnnn4515]

That midi version of Last Surprise was used in Persona Q2. A cutscene of Joker and his team of going to the metaverse and Joker doing an All-out attack by himself had the same music

[@littlea420]

Chrisnnn damn right minato

[@AllUsernamesTaken]

THANK YOU! I knew I heard that somewhere before!

[@AnaTheUser]

I didn't notice that!

[@sonoda944]

@@chrisnnn4515 who cares door don't have emotions to begin with.

[@ravenknight4195]

i don't know why, but just HEARING about the confidants being "in doubt" or "broken" just gave me a spike of anxiety

[@joaoassumpcao3347]

*flashback to Yukari's social link being reversed because of a hug in P3*

[@demdem7946]

seeing how little i spent time with anyone but ryuji, haru, tae and kawkami, i probably would of gotten a fuck ton of broken cards

[@Catterham_real]

Persona 3 and 4: Allow us to introduce ourselves

[@MythlyInari]

Same here. I couldn't bear to look at the "I'm disappointed in you" text lines, I just can't imagine any of the characters saying that to Joker, but it felt way to directed at me as well, yiiii. Hopefully that mechanic stays out of future Persona games.

[@beepbooper5201]

Same dude just same

[@5h3nn0ng]

Do note that Ann letting her hair down is an alternate hairstyle choice in Dancing in Starlight.

[@SnoozeCruisin]

33:26 Could you just imagine Igor suddenly materializing out of thin air _every single time you made a new friend_ in real life? I would never want to go outside ever again.

[@legendteigen461]

Shits horrifying as hell to be honest

[@darkcap2326]

Looks like a fucking photoshop

[@ExaltedUriel]

It'd be even more terrifying if the "I am thou, thou art I, blessings of the whatever arcana blah blah blah" played EVERY TIME the Link ranked up like Persona 3.

[@dtrain2499]

P5 END GAME SPOILERS Since it's Persona 5, it's probably Yaldabaoth. Even freakier.

[@tuongvivivivi]

Lmao

[@beanieweenie1349]

The idea of the games difficulty being decided by Sae asking you how hard stealing people's hearts was is actually really cool, but I guess they scrapped it because people might have just thought it was a regular dialogue choice

[@Some__Guy]

What do Persona 5 and Super Mario Sunshine have in common? They both feature main characters who start the game by being imprisoned for crimes that they didn't commit.

[@lightyearpig12]

In Persona 5, it was one of many commentaries on Japanese society. In Mario Sunshine, the Delfinos were just idiots.

[@fateoffate]

Elder Scrolls?

[@RainingFlow19]

@Fermín Javier Arro Álvarez mario is not a silent character....

[@mattsstuff907]

RelaxAlex

[@2350CST]

Fermín Javier Arro Álvarez Super Mario 64 be like: *HOO HAA WA-HOO!!! WA-HOO!!! WA-WA-W-W-W-WAHOOO!!! YA-HOO!!!*

[@ahuman6901]

“And here’s Akechi as a rat.” Thanks I love him.

[@hiszpanskainkwizycja3138]

Pancakes.

[@sulky_demon4764]

I prefer waffles,

[@Retr0bit]

Corporate needs you to find the difference between these pictures A rat Akechi They’re the same picture

[@jstyxx4110]

I like it, I like Ratkechi

[@rucksack_kh]

Wasn't it always that way?

[@BlackwingKakashi]

It's amazing how much work is put into making everything look and feel just right. From character designs to little menu and appearance changes to give everything the right vibe to it.

[@Sir_Crow]

Ikr! UX/UI design as well is some really interesting stuff. David Candland, the UI Design Lead for Bungie's Halo and Destiny, has a public design document talking about how the UX/UI of Destiny changed over the years as the game was developed. Here's a link: www.cand.land/destiny

[@kappabird]

DUDE WHAT HAPPENED TO OHYA THATS THE WORST GLOW DOWN-

[@justsomeplant3305]

Ohya is a denied beta project that accidentally made into final version confirmed

[@Mika-ul4jf]

SHE'S STILL BEAUTIFUL SHHH

[@RinZDR]

mika Hoang Woah, A rare species! Better take a picture before it hides!

[@minty9262]

Beta64: There's no spoilers as long as you have Futaba on your team Also beta64: Anyways here's akechi's unused thief outfit,different from the final design in the game

[@arielcerecer142]

Well, Akechi is in the cover of the game alongside the phantom thieves so not really a spoiler I would say

[@Abyssionknight]

@@arielcerecer142 Yet at other points where he talks about Akechi in the video he gives spoiler warnings. :P

[@jason6433]

@@Abyssionknight because hes talking about when he is revealed as a villain

[@kanekiouma1794]

Jason but would you know that if you hadn’t beaten the game before?

[@thewayfayer3268]

@@kanekiouma1794 He was replying to someone who said Beta64 puts spoiler warnings before other Akechi moments

[@MrGreendragon11]

Imagine you don't hang out with Shinya and he wipes your memory of how to wield a gun

[@andrewbrown1740]

1:06:13 “And here’s Akechi as a Rat” *T-POSING AKECHI RAT*

[@aryandescendant6116]

Ratkechi

[@JadeJuno]

@@aryandescendant6116 so just Akechi

[@strwbberibunbunpwushie]

The spooky unused Kamoshida palace room word is (I think) "たすけて" whiiiich I'm preeeetty sure means "help me" which makes it even worse

[@Kuwumii]

CORRECT!! -Plankton

[@ADRFilms119]

S P O O P Y

[@adhddhdh3572]

It means save me

[@elbadaernu7195]

Ta Su Ke Te. Yeap. Verified

[@vicsantoro]

@@adhddhdh3572 Nope, is Help, help me

[@brianstryker4536]

"Ann was supposed to have her hair down." Well clearly they scrapped it because the world wouldn't be able to handle the cuteness.

[@spydersoup8447]

I think he meant they want to have at least one cutscene where she has her hair down, but it never happen.

[@arof7605]

We got basically that same style in the dancing game, so it worked out

[@PhantomShadow224]

The confidant reversal/ broken mechanic sounds like it would fit into merciless mode just to let the player know, “we’re no longer messing around”.

[@littleboy746]

I honestly think I would of enjoyed having that, I for the most part went for the stupid/ wacky conversation options that didn't work on most confidants, seeing them actually respond in character and get upset would of added way more and gotten a nice surprise outta me. Though having to do certain request to gain the confidant gain would suck

[@patrickgrebincea2885]

i mean, i doubt it wouldve been so easy to do it, like even in p3 and p4 its pretty obvious what choices will reverse the s link, plus it wouldve made more sense to include it in this game since the whole theme is about how the mc is on probation/has a criminal record

[@IceBlueLugia]

Patrick Grebincea In P4 it was obvious but not so much in P3. After Yukari gets attacked by a bunch of street thugs you have the option of hugging her which will reverse the S Link which doesn’t seem to be a bad choice. From what I can tell a lot of people messed that up including me

[@patrickgrebincea2885]

@@IceBlueLugia oh reallly? didnt know that, i remember trying to choose that but it was a courage check which i failed

[@ExaltedUriel]

@@IceBlueLugia Thanks for the heads-up, I'm playing the game for the first time. Really kind of sucks that the options that you'd _think_ would work and even stat check you end up reversing your S. Link. I learned the hard way when Chihiro went on and on about how she was having dreams about Makoto and basically splooshing all over, I picked the "Kiss her" option and ended up reversing the S. Link. Just ended up reloading my save and trying again, which is probably why Reversing and Breaking were made much more rare in 4 and axed entirely in 5.

[@StaraviaXIII]

Rest of developers: "we want Zorro to be a good boi" soejima: "ah but what if JoJo"

[@yourneighborhoodmemelord2451]

"Let's make Zorro a cute dog!" *"n o"*

[@MAX-uh6kh]

shilver chyariyit

[@someboi875]

Made in shibuya

[@lightningfarronxp8899]

persona 5 fans: "we were kept waiting 2 years in the dark!" SMT V fans: *"I WAS BORN IN THE DARKNESS"*

[@ShurMaster]

Duke Nukem fans: "heh..."

[@Dumb_Killjoy]

@@ShurMaster Ha! We've been in development hell for over a decade!

[@astronomical3342]

Gta 6 fans:you guys have a game?

[@ofilosofoouumfumante5655]

@@astronomical3342 actually smt took more time

[@goroakechi2216]

F zero Kinda cute here

[@ThemSensay]

BTW That "Dog Statue Thing" is the statue of Hachiko, the famous dog who waited for his owner for years after he passed away.

[@nintony2994]

That's depressing...

[@reaper3908]

@@nintony2994 His owner was killed in the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War 2. It's a wonderous monument sight, honestly. People like to visit and leave offerings for the long past dog.

[@ColtComanche]

@@reaper3908 The fuck you talking about? He died long before the war of a heart attack during a lecture.

[@bewearstar9462]

So sad

[@dog_catcher3496]

did you mean buchiko?

[@luka3525]

him: “beat it in 6 months” *me viciously sweating after beating it in 4 days*: w-what?

[@Jason-qh2nw]

HOW!? I had 110 hours on one save

[@thewayfayer3268]

@@Jason-qh2nw Only 14 hours less, I see it possible if you put your nose to Igor's baldness

[@cantthinkofagoodnameforthi1645]

Man, the game constantly tells you to “take your time”

[@n8than26]

i beat the game in a month, That's because i have college project :((

[@Fut_re]

Me, beating the game in 60 hours on a blind run: *wat*

[@cookies23z]

early on, kinda interesting that Akechi choose his own name... its almost like he knew he'd be fighting the thieves

[@lunaesic]

he's always wanted to go against the thieves. he only joined the phantom thieves during sae palace arc to ambush them- this was mentioned in the game.

[@BBWahoo]

@@lunaesic Yeah, that was the intent of the comment, at least that's what it sounds like to me

[@TheNexan_]

I remember seeing a post somewhere talking about the unused Igor confidant appearances and it was just 'imagine you're talking to your friend and some creepy long-nosed guy just appears like "hehe yorokobe shounen"'

[@_Beta-]

*Despicable Me japaneese dub*

[@default6274]

Now i realized that Fake Igor is basically Kotomime Kirei. Thanks, i hate it.

[@ofilosofoouumfumante5655]

And he died pretty sad I loved his va

[@PosthumanHeresy]

Real Igor? Ditch them for the best grandpa. Fake Igor? Break his stupid nose.

[@Slenderquil]

I was really surprised that i couldn't find any videos like this on KZbin. Now we finally have a proper for real look at the P5 beta.

[@Beta64]

I was surprised too! That's when I knew I had to make this video

[@BlindMelonLord]

Slenderquil Ramcharge For real?

[@JunnyBoy22]

I think Joker living with Sae and having her talking about the Phantom Thieves would make an awesome confidant.

[@imannatasha3302]

I agree only that it's kinda similar to the dojima's confidant in p4

[@senjithegamer3829]

Doctor: No nose Ryuji doesn't exist. He won't hurt you No nose Ryuji: 13:50

[@RetepAdam]

No-Nose Ryuji and All-Nose Akechi would’ve been an incredible tandem.

[@WolfyFancyLads]

@@RetepAdam All-Nose Akechi would've been at war with Igor... Oh. My. God. THAT'S why Akechi didn't sign the contract! HE'S AT NOSE WAR!!

[@mikeockhurts904]

Igor stole it

[@Flex_seal]

@@WolfyFancyLads you ever noticed that Igor looks like gru or is it me

[@WolfyFancyLads]

@@Flex_seal I never thought of it before but, now you mention it, there is a disturbing number of similarities. XD

[@RetroGamePlayers]

Persona is such a rad series, definitely watching this in quarantine today

[@littlea420]

Retro Game Players sadly I kind of felt died out to it

[@Canceritself]

I recommend playing the whole shin megami tensei franchise. Persona is an smt game

[@littlea420]

@@Canceritself yeah I wanted to play a shin megami tensei game like nocturne I heard they are real good

[@Canceritself]

@@littlea420 definitely recommend the mainline games. there are a lot good spinoffs but i highly recommend start from the mainline games

[@Next-xm2dh]

Ah Yes, The Persona Trilogy

[@orangeapples]

45:28 When the card says “Let’s begin the game” it probably is why at the end of the game Joker has an option to say to Sae something along the lines of “it was all a game.” I always thought that line stood out for some reason.

[@razielonex2469]

You know, starting the game on 4/1 makes sense as it is April's *Fools* day

[@NarWallPeople]

RazielOneX slept on comment

[@NoBody-sc8dc]

That is my b-day

[@Leonardo-qj9kz]

@@NoBody-sc8dc Sorry but I guess your life is a joke (someone had to do it buddy and I am sorry it had to be me)

[@PugBroSo]

@@NoBody-sc8dc same here buddy. No one ever believes me

[@NoBody-sc8dc]

@@PugBroSo (-': it's okey

[@dailydelphox]

You compared Goro Akechi's origins to what's essentially the "Sherlock Holmes" of Japan, but you forgot to mention that Akechi IS based on Sherlock Holmes! Kind of! More specifically, you probably know that Joker is based on Arsene from the Arsene Lupin books, right? Well, the second collection of Arsen Lupin books were about Arsen fighting a character named "Herlock Sholmes", a clear reference to another famous detective character. Joker and Akechi's rivalry is based on Arsene's origins. (It's a shame that Akechi's Persona ended up being Loki instead of Sherlock Holmes, since it would've been a great foil to Joker's Arsene.)

[@jakebaigent7582]

Maybe they didn't pick Sherlock Holmes as his persona because Holmes doesn't lose and Akechi... Well he doesn't exactly win...

[@dailydelphox]

@@jakebaigent7582 Does Herlock Sholmes lose in the Arsene Lupin books? I'm under the assumption he does, since Arsene is the main character.

[@jakebaigent7582]

@@dailydelphox no idea, but if even if he does it probably would have been too un-serious for Akechi's Persona to be a parody of a legendary literary figure.

[@gabe3885]

would've been cool to hear akechi scream "come, HERLOCK"

[@dailydelphox]

@@gabe3885 MAN that would've been cool.

[@Game_Erica]

58:52 This might have also been about that one hole in Kamoshida's palace where you and Ryuji go through a hole in the wall. Ryuji mentions that his bag gets stuck so it might have been originally that he lost his bag there and it ended up in the real world

[@chrisdaughen5257]

I'm surprised there aren't any scenes of targets experiencing their change of heart in the real world. They just disappear until the deadline (save for Shido).

[@crisismoon880]

Chris Daughen I would have loved to see that

[@Zarden02846]

Ramming shadows with a Lamborghini would have been awesome.

[@isabelle5048]

Did I seriously watch a 1 hour,9 minutes, and 36 second video about unused blocks in Persona 5. Yes I did. I think what kept me around was your enthusiasm for everything! Great job!

[@MunenoriOizumi]

The comment about Akechi's name origin was very interesting to me. As a native of Japan, I am too sued to seeing someone named Akechi being either a detective or a traitor in so many fictionous stories, never thought it might be seen as a plagiarism. (Akechi Mitsuhide is the biggest traitor in Japanese hitory. Akechi's name might have a double meaning in the game.)

[@mariustan9275]

I thought Akechi's name was from Akechi Mitsuhide, a general whl betrayed Oda Nobunaga in the warring states period.

[@tuckerroyal7656]

Akechi's thief name also probably had a double meaning as well, since crow in japanese sounds like kuro, foreshadowing that he was the man in black mentioned earlier in the game.

[@CloverDragon03]

I'm legitimately kind of upset that the inviting someone to the cafeteria feature was scrapped. It would've been nice.

[@littleboy746]

maybe they didn't want it to be too much like p4g where you could cook food and have someone eat with you, I noticed that a couple of the scrapped features were similar to that.

[@IceBlueLugia]

Yeah, it would have been nice. Although really it didn’t really help much in P4G. You saved a day timeslot the next day by gaining social link points during lunchtime but had to sacrifice your nighttime slot the previous night, in which you might have been able to hang out with them in the Central Shopping District (or any of the nighttime exclusive Social Links). It’s a cute scene but largely pointless in terms of gameplay

[@naethavenir9422]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing too! “Oh like, in P4G?” but to repeat what’s said above, it would had take some budget off the development of P5

[@imjustsomebunny]

Well, at least the cafeteria makes a one-time reappearance in Royal with one of Sumi's confidant events...

[@tonyelectionfraud669]

@@IceBlueLugia helps fit in whichever social link you're going after. if the next day isn't one where your friend wants to hang out you can do this to save time. largely useless? I think not

[@oomi9030]

41:07 Why do all the unused portraits look like they’re from Persona 5: The Animation?

[@blueflamegamer5677]

I wish they used this rather than the final version it's not like I hate the final version

[@josiahgoodman8875]

42:37 those are probably for the cutscene where he snaps at madarame (when his persona awakens), his model makes a very similar expression in that scene

[@ChristopherMoom]

Jeez, dude, an hour long video from Beta 64 is such a *_Royally_* welcome surprise.

[@tvau1187]

I bet he SRAMBLED to make it

[@jigglypuff452]

Is your pfp that one girl from that funny skeleton game?

[@DoesntMattertbh]

H-how. I thought you only watched smash stuff

[@AGZhark]

Isabelle Inhate it

[@Goaheadandstaymad21332]

Hearing that Hifumi got cut from being apart of the Phantom Thieves felt like a shot to the chest.

[@littleboy746]

according to a lot of comments here, she originally was just concept art of Makoto that got expanded into being a confidant, maybe that's why her potential role in the group was so similar, and also maybe why Makoto's confidant sucked

[@lunaesic]

@@littleboy746 if makoto's confidant was like hifumi's instead, that would've been more interesting, but then again we wouldn't have the hifumi we know

[@IceBlueLugia]

divinegrace The Makoto confidant was absolute ass, easily one of the worst in the game. So that would have been okay.

[@KetchupRocket]

@@IceBlueLugia worst? Oof. I think it was neutral. Worst to me are Ohya, Shinya, Yoshida, Haru, and Mishima. I think Hifumi’s was alright, but honestly every time I play I practically forget she even exists.

[@IceBlueLugia]

@@KetchupRocket Haru is perfectly fine. A bit too similar to Mitsuru but overall the confidant is well-done. Mishima’s is fantastic, he has great development throughout it. Yoshida’s is decent all around, nothing spectacular and I think a bit too much it is “yes, I agree, you’re great, keep doing what you believe in” but I still liked it better than Makoto’s if I’m being honest. Agree with Ohya and Shinya though.

[@TanteiGH]

I think they chose the Metaverse Morgana so that you’re not “spoiled” when you’re confronted by Cat Morgana at the beginning of the game

[@nylonyt228]

What do you mean by that?

[@ImDannn]

Cat Morgana at the beginning of the game? You mean after they first leave the palace?

[@SubconsciousDeviant]

His wcat form might have judt been unfinished too

[@SuperfieldCrUn]

So you're telling me that, at various points in development, Sae was: the woman Joker stayed with, Makoto's mother, and she looked like Bayonetta? Well, shit, looks like we have confirmation that Bayo is the perfect mom for Joker.

[@formerlostcause3573]

kojima could be joker's father

[@potassiumtheif5857]

Samuel Naufahu she’s just in the background like: that’s my boy!!!

[@Tzjoe]

Sae is makoto sister

[@SuperfieldCrUn]

@@Tzjoe But at one point in development, she was her mother.

[@StarShade0]

And if the devs decided to keep the idea for Akechi to be Makoto’s brother, he would’ve been Sae’s son. What a family.

[@crthejediknightninja]

Huh, about the doubt/break system, you ever notice how Morgana mentions accepting your confidant's invitations to gain their trust? Pretty sure that's a remnant of the doubt/break system that they never bothered to change since the dialog still worked.

[@lunaesic]

oh that's a really good point

[@IceBlueLugia]

chilly raptor Yeah, that’s exactly what I was thinking too. I remember when first playing the game I would accept my Confidant’s invitations often until Morgana stopped saying that because I didn’t want to risk anything.

[@spydersoup8447]

There's also the fact that in every end of the 8 Confidants, they eventually figure out that Joker is a member of the Phantom Thieves and they decided that they'll continue supporting him, even after they finally worked it out, and from seeing the unused Doubt cutscenes, in those, Joker has the thought bubble about how they saw through his lies and he needs to regain their trust.

[@spydersoup8447]

Also, I always thought that the thing Morgana mentions with that was him letting you know that you can accept their invites to get extra points, I didn't think it was meant to be part of the scrapped Doubt mechanic, which I never knew about that until I watched an iceberg video about the Persona series, which that video is really interesting, you should go check it out.

[@CocoMeilif]

40:37 It was probably said before but for Haru being called "Blank" I think they were possibly calling her "Blanc" at first then which would be the word "white" in French. It could be a thing but since they're supposed to be thieves and all "Noir" (French for "black") fits her way and they could have possibly changed it for her (also Akechi wears way more white than her).

[@GDIrber]

28:46 Akechi's early outfit looks like Zenkichi's from P5S

[@dashydesu]

30:54 たすけて translates to “Save me”. That’s dark....

[@lunaesic]

thanks! now im scared

[@marrowyoutube]

Jesus I can't begin to imagine what they had in mind for kamoshida's palace

[@sonoda944]

Technically it means "help me" but that works

[@dashydesu]

My japanese isnt the best... but thank you for correcting me!

[@jananiashokkumar7176]

Damn that be scary. Also written in blood on the black board?

[@ButterflyScarlet]

Akechi had a palace??? God that would have been interesting, especially since I've seen so many fan concepts ranging from Theatre to Circus. Most of them seem to emphasize his performative, double-faced nature and that would have been amazing.

[@nekogamer2508]

His sin would be deadly sin of treachery

[@bluejay9638]

I actually think the change was for the best. 1, the game is already long af and did not need more hours, and 2 we'd already gotten a palace based on a teammate, and it would feel like recycling when all palaces are meant to be unique

[@mariustan9275]

@@bluejay9638 But palaces are unique in their structure. A theatre or circus palace based on double-faced acting sounds like an incredible concept. Maybe like in Psychonauts one level where there are sqitches alternating between "good" and "bad" moods, there could be a switch from "prince" to "crow" or have different areas based on different things. Also a boss with 2 personas?

[@maccamachine]

@@mariustan9275nope it’s perfectly fine without him having one

[@mariustan9275]

@@maccamachine Theres always Persona 6

[@ShiroNoShitsuji]

I was watching this and sat there super confused wondering where I recognized you from. I was in the same Japanese II class as you. Funny to stumble upon your videos, haha. Thank you for researching into one of my favorite series!

[@michaelking7847]

1:06:13 "and here's Akechi as a rat" I dont see anything new there thats just how Akechi is

[@ridingatractor7616]

Damn.

[@UncleJaken]

I believe the Wakaba portraits at 42:43 are also used in Royal. Neat stuff

[@fenicmo5462]

Speaking of Morgana's gender, it seems that his personality has been changed at least twice during the development of Persona 5. The earliest Morgana said "Meow" after every sentence, and admitted he (or she) was a cat. His second personality was more cynical and mature than the final one (He also called Ryuji "坊っちゃん", which means boy or son in English). Also, Ryuji's persona seemed to be initially called "ヴェルトール" (Weltall), which means space in English.

[@fenicmo5462]

Added: It's just my estimation, but I think Morgana's weird portraits you posted on Twitter were drawn after the first change in his personality.

[@InsaneEnergy]

Morgana saying Meow after every sentence would have made him Teddie 2.0. We should all be glad that didn't happen.

[@yareyarejose5080]

@@Lain-Wired ehhhhhhhh, honestly teddie annoyed the hell out of me and i can see the meow thing getting really under my skin. As he is now im pretty meh about his character which is more than i can say for teddie or koromaru

[@infernaldisdain8051]

@@yareyarejose5080 What's wrong with Koro? He's literally just a dog. If that is the problem, that doesn't mean you have to put him below Morgana.

[@yareyarejose5080]

@@infernaldisdain8051 i just keep forgetting koro exists tbh. He's cute and he reminds me of my dog, but storywise you can take koro out of the game and i wouldn't notice anything different

[@mikelevine94]

Honestly Queen would make more sense for Hifumi's codename

[@YesLegend936]

Should have been Rider

[@_Beta-]

And then makoto could use her real name Asexual android

[@phemsee5775]

Beep boop

[@crisismoon880]

Rider sounds cooler

[@zeithqueen5044]

@@YesLegend936 agree

[@RetepAdam]

“But Morgana always sleeps with you in the final game.” Ah, yes. A remnant from Morgana’s initial conception as a female character.

[@AverageEggmonEnthusiast]

That’s cursed

[@petermanfox2535]

As if the internet didn't have enough of a field day with his final design...

[@JadeJuno]

@@petermanfox2535 *_w h a t ? !_*

[@petermanfox2535]

@@JadeJuno Here's a fun fact: There's a good amount of... content involving him and Jack Frost, which would suggest an unofficial ship. That's all I'm gonna tell you though, wouldn't wanna spoil the experience when you inevitably give in to curiosity and decide to look it up yourself.

[@JadeJuno]

@@petermanfox2535 I've seen it a lot of times already, but I still _can't_

[@bradleysmith4967]

The video of Igor just popping up behind Mishima is very disturbing. Do not like

[@IAmInfinitus208]

Glad that got changed especially after playing the game makes it even creepier...

[@elmoisacocainaddict]

bad and naughty kids get a visit from the velvet man

[@pastyIe]

Bradley Smith if you asked me, if they made it look better rather than Igor just eerily appearing behind him, I would’ve liked it. Like how he materializes from ghost to human, speaks to you, then fades away, displaying the arcana rank up.

[@glasspotatochip]

Timestamp?

[@Nikkerman]

Lowkey kinda like the idea if they had executed it, some morpheus type shit

[@patricklampe2840]

Seeing Igor in the real world in one of the removed scenes reminds me how he actually looks creepy as shit. Just never thought so in the velvet room because it kinda fit with the style

[@MinhyoungHong]

That anticlimatic transition from Joker as anime styled expression to Akechi as a rat just make me laugh.

[@yoplait3256]

1:08:42 That model seems to be a sizing test model but it also resembles some of the concept art of a girl with blue hair, it also could have been a early cut female version of joker

[@user-jf6zu8gv4h]

i saw her first thing i thought was *she has blue hair* why ? because i thought she looked like naoto 2 me

[@sonoda944]

joker femc Joker femc

[@demdem7946]

@@sonoda944 god i wish

[@beepbooper5201]

Laughs in kasumi

[@Raydr62]

2 years later and the design is used for Milady in soul hackers 2

[@viixine7666]

*originally Hifumi was meant to be another Phantom Thief* *laughs in P5R Kasumi Yoshizawa*

[@cyrniki]

Howl ssfs its sad considering hifumis a lot more interesting than kasumi

[@dazuru6407]

angie Idk man she really starts picking up once it finally reaches her arc in the true ending imo. Probably it’s because she’s the new girl but she’s more thought out than Hifumi and more interesting with a pretty nice twist. Also Hifumi wasn’t actually supposed to be a phantom thief, she was concept art for Makoto and it was decided to take Hifumi’s concept and make her into another confidant.

[@cyrniki]

Dazuru yeah im aware, i got the true ending and maxed out kasumis confidant and i Still dont like her. shes just .... really bland still ):

[@yamumhasthebiggay2582]

@@cyrniki It's too bad too. Because I'm a sucker for those types of redheads with glasses

[@yamumhasthebiggay2582]

@@dazuru6407 That's too bad, considering that Hifumi has a much better confidant than Makoto, and would've added much more personality to the Phantom Thieves than Makoto actually does, seeing as Makoto just fills the cliche of "smart lady be scary towards lazy doodz"

[@kuubbee]

30:05 ok if Ohya looked like that I would’ve gave her so much attention

[@marieplushiewithaknife407]

Tbh yes she looks amazing and way cooler, but I guess atlus changed it cause it looks to much like anime and they wanted something more realistic.

[@salmonfish4829]

44:24 Maybe there was originally going to be a "split-up" mechanic like how it was in Persona 3 where the party splits up in order to explore Tartarus faster.

[@lunaesic]

oh that's a good point, i would've really liked that

[@conansglasses2645]

@@lunaesic wait you actually USED that mechanic ?

[@JingMitsuyamaCH]

@@conansglasses2645 Hell yeah. It's excellent if your party is actually leveled enough

[@raven75257]

@@JingMitsuyamaCH it's pretty bad, considering how little xp you get, you're basically forced to split with your teammates for half of the game

[@aizensosuke18]

Shame, loved that mechanic

[@thefatthefurriest442]

Igor: *teleports behind Mishima* nothin personal kid

[@Hydraina]

why does that have sans energy

[@Cchase]

30:30 Bayonetta is Jokers Mother CONFIRMED!!!

[@dinosaurpolitician3663]

hmm so morgana was just “furry bait: the character” for a while

[@cutecatsara123]

Still is..... Hoo boy the amount of rule 34 submissions when persona 5 was released.

[@maxspecs]

A fitting secondary for Midna fans.

[@Diwasho]

Still prefer that one, you can tell its animations would have been much more fun and dynamic than what the final one got. All it needs is a mask, this was probably designed before the masks became a key element of the thieves. Not that I hate the redesign but it's too safe and marketable, not to mention it's practically Teddie 2.0. Even Morgana's creator said he prefers the original.

[@WolfyFancyLads]

...What do you mean "for a while"? That suggests he ain't now.

[@cyanryann64]

"I should write something"

[@donaldtrumpling2016]

"I'll just add this"

[@SINNAMON997]

"let's do it"

[@tvau1187]

"ARSENE"

[@yellowflamingo9780]

“..Some other way”

[@swillzmegamitensei]

let’s see...

[@hinoname3954]

I am so bummed we didn’t get to customize the room! I’m 45 hours into that game now, and up until I lost hope about 15 hours ago, I kept waiting to unlock room customization because it seemed like such a natural fit. I figured it HAD to be there. And in a weird way I was right. Sigh.

[@nobodyimportant5140]

As an expansion to the bit you mentioned about the Arena Ultimax, a bunch of Sho Minazuki’s files are also labelled as “P5Hero” in the game’s code. Minazuki’s portraits also seem to be traced from some of Joker’s art as well. This could mean that either Sho was meant to be the protag of P5, or he was a prototype Joker before being turned into his own character. This is further supported by the similarities in design between Arsene and Sho’s Persona, Tsukiyomi.

[@tezcanaslan2877]

Tsukiyomi belongs to Minazuki*

[@Pastel_TJ]

An edited version of that instrumental of Last Surprise is actually used in a cutscene in Persona Q2

[@cendrillon4986]

I recognized that as well, it's pretty cool to think about

[@heppuplays9125]

So you're telling me that Igor was originally just ZA WURDO in to the room for a while and then just go away? No wonder they scraped it Igor standing is cursed hell. That man should never stand up.

[@BrJPGameplay]

I can't believe they didn't put a "LET ME EXPLAIN!" dialogue with every character, one of the things that I was caught of guard and giggle to myself to this day is Sojiro, very early on in the story, very enthusiastically saying "LET ME EXPLAIN!", and I laugh my ass off for 5 minutes straight.

[@Happyfoam-lw3yt]

Probably left it in for him because his English voice actor sounds smooth as silk and they wanted to get their money's worth out of him.

[@tastee8851]

69th like, I have ascended

[@IceBlueLugia]

Pretty sure the Sojiro voice actor also voices Dhurke in Ace Attorney SoJ. He really is fantastic

[@chrisdaughen5257]

@@IceBlueLugia I think each of the confidants had events where they gave their own trivia. Iwa would talk to you about gun models, Kawakami would review questions for exams, etc. But I think the developers couldn't come up with enough facts so they just used Sojiro's coffee trivia.

[@dtrain2499]

28:09 Wakaba's beta design is basically final Haru.

[@Izanagi-Arsene]

39:12, okay that mechanic would've been infuriating as hell in a game where time is not in your favor for the days.

[@phenompy]

Sadly you made the same mistake many people do when saying Makoto took Hifumi's place, when in the artbook it clearly says they scrapped the "Hifumi like" character because Makoto ALREADY had all the traits they were planning to give this new character so they scrapped her in order to not repeat themselves and gave her likeness to the character that ended up being Hifumi.

[@JZStudiosonline]

And yet when you make the confidant Sae explicitly states that you must've had a strategist, being Hifumi. Besides in game all Makoto is, is "...Useless?"

[@phenompy]

@@JZStudiosonline you can believe that if you want, every character had their goal and role in the original game, she was no different and she was planned that way way before the supposed "strategist" idea you mention was even conceived. But if you don't want to believe what the developers themselves say that's up to you.

[@JZStudiosonline]

@@phenompy It's literally in the final product, and very little of what's given or shown about Makoto leads you to think she's a good strategist. At exactly no point during the story is she ever actually shown to be so. Comments in an art book don't much matter when the final product counters it. Hifumi in the final product is shown as a better strategist than Makoto.

[@phenompy]

@@JZStudiosonline lmao literally the plan to save ren fron Akechi was her idea. What are you talking about? Besides the dialogue can be just a nod to that, besides the scrapped strategist wasn't even Hifumi, they just used her looks for her later.

[@JZStudiosonline]

@@phenompy lmao, that's a shitty excuse. #1. They only actually showed that at the end of the game. At which point I had gotten so bored of it I stopped playing for like 4 months. #2. If I remember correctly, that was a group plan, not Makoto's. #3. The plan was fucking stupid and makes no sense. #4. Ever heard of show, don't tell? Once again, at no point does Makoto show any form of competence or strategy outside of that last bullshit plan, which was a group effort. #5. Hifumi, the final character, the one in the game, is cited by Sae, in the final game, as the strategist. It's likely it was intended to be the scrapped character, but didn't change that dialogue. It really doesn't matter. The final presentation is that Hifumi is the one teaching Joker battle strategies through Shogi.

[@why3979]

I will forever be upset we were robbed of the mere possiblity of cowboy akechi 😔

[@ga1actic561]

I am actually so mad now that Hifumi didn’t end up being a Phantom Thief

[@bladebolt1291]

Ga1actic The character we now know as Hifumi was not going to be a phantom thief. Hifumi was based off that scrapped design.

[@Owlbyte]

Ga1actic would’ve preferred it be her instead of makoto

[@pezdispencer113]

@@Owlbyte She fits so much better with the group, the queen codename and the strategist/tactician role than Makoto ever did. Plus she's a genuinely good person as opposed to Makoto who is a egotistical power obsessed psychotic bitch.

[@bikk7782]

@@pezdispencer113 bruh

[@pezdispencer113]

@@bikk7782 I stand by my statement. Makoto is not a good person.

[@D_N3214]

Imagine Bayonetta living with joker in an apartment and interrogating him later

[@KapitanKaos]

Sound like a Smash fanfic i would read

[@keiichimorisato98]

That would have been a very different kind of interrogation.

[@PKmaster12]

keiichimorisato98 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@bossbabyfuyuhiko6657]

The replies are suggesting something lewd but the smash community has decided that bayonetta is joker's mom.

[@Luka.shrekie]

Omg....

[@ivanzoneBR24]

30:46 P5 The Phantom X

[@eepy7764]

I think the most interesting parts of this are the "After School Chase" and the "Stealing Kamoshida's Medal" portions. Seems like the devs wanted to incorporate a lot more of the "interact with the target in reality to alter their Palace" mechanic early-on and would've had the Thieves do a lot more *actual thievery* outside of the Metaverse

[@littleboy746]

ikr? I would of loved to have more girl implications for the palaces besides "this door is blocked, guess we have to go meet this person girl in that location"

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Would’ve loved that honestly

[@fierytigergaming8112]

@@wolfetteplays8894 Seems that's where they got the inspiration for "EMMA" in Persona 5 Strikers

[@d3gener8]

Him not mentioning the unused line from Ryuji "Hey don't touch my stuff, eat your beans." makes me very sad.

[@sekiganxz]

Hmm, with the "struggling" portraits I imagine it could be similar to the mechanic in previous games like persona 3 where party members could split up and take out shadows on their own. In those games if they were losing the battle the navigator would say that they're in trouble, and I'm guessing the "struggling" portraits would be a similar indicator

[@JoJo-xp6wr]

I have to say, the quality of this video is *UNREAL*

[@gabe3885]

there was voice acting pointing to an entire poker match with shadow sae and i'm kinda disappointed that wasn't shown in this video but i still learned a bunch of stuff so great video!

[@RhythmStraw]

there's SO MUCH, he can't cover it all. I even found early and/or unused dialogue that NEEDS to be translated like another prisoner(?) in the velvet room and the Phantom Thieves being just one arcana.

[@sofaris576]

I really like how Morgana and Akechi team up in that scene. Morgana defeating Sae while Akechi is pulling the strings. I also like Anns line "Way to go cheating hotie."

[@corvaecorp]

my favorite line in that for some reason is morgana saying his arms are too short to reach the cards

[@AntiNihilist]

8:07 wow really? THAT'S CHEESY? instead they made him have a crazy amount of freedom for a delinquent, including free reign over a business building at night with no potential supervision at all. That highrise was such a cool idea. Imagine meeting your friends on the ROOF

[@defiledcorpse]

i really love this "new" format. its still educational and you managed to find a way to implement your humour into it SICK

[@dragidosarchive]

29:59 Iwai's early art be looking like Aizawa from My Hero Academia

[@kurootetsurou5247]

Therapist: Iwaizawa cant hurt you, hes not real! *Iwaizawa* :

[@onetwentyeight128]

Gacha_ Reaper_15 ill never forget that name, Iwaizawa...

[@kurootetsurou5247]

@@onetwentyeight128 Iwa-chan~!

[@val9169]

I thought the same!

[@seantanner8077]

The executing/struggling sprites were probably meant to be used during boss battles, when you send an ally away to do sneaky things.

[@remind8233]

59:49 that’s actually not true. You can fail Shido’s palace. Akechi ends up in Leblanc and finds Joker and they arrest him their.

[@lunaesic]

i think he meant the palace after shido (mementos depth)? makes sense since he said that in the final game you can't get that ending since the game forces you into it. can't say for sure tho

[@IceBlueLugia]

He meant Mementos Depths. The day the unused event happens is December 24 when the game also ends