In this video, we give you a walkthrough of Bethel Church's Room Acoustic Panels to understand how and why it sounds the way it does! Follow Along with Chris Greely as he talks about key essentials to Acoustic Design.
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@Churchfront4 жыл бұрын
why am i not seeing this till now!? great vid chris!
@Zealous_Tutorials4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the YT algorithm has been hiding this one away from us
@carringtone4 жыл бұрын
I am also watching after your vid. Good job Jake G. We also do a prosumer live stream from Africa - Kenya but it needs some more input. Would you take a minute to see what we do and recommend a few? Let me know so I can share a link is it OK to just share here?
@danielshomeinGod3 жыл бұрын
both channels are nice!
@OwenAssman4 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff! I'd love to see more breakdowns like this.
@DRJON763 жыл бұрын
what are the sizes of the acrylic panels on the drum shield? if custom, where can I order them from? I'm interested in building something similar for my church. Thanks in advance.
@lexuzel4 жыл бұрын
Thank you from Russia! Keep recording new details about your solutions.
@thedavidfunk_4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. You said the room still has a “low RT”. What does that mean?
@svgabe4 жыл бұрын
DAVID FUNK I’m assuming it means Reverb Time (an RT60 Measurement)
@tclarke11234 жыл бұрын
RT (I think) is the time it takes for the natural decay of the sound in the room to drop by 60dB. Think popping a ballon in a room and measuring how long it takes the sound to decay by 60dB. It’s a metric that room designers use when defining how a room responds to acoustic sound!
@simonlewis73204 жыл бұрын
@@tclarke1123 It's the time taken for sound to decay *by* 60dB...
@tclarke11234 жыл бұрын
Simon Lewis thanks for the correction.
@FrankieJen4 жыл бұрын
Hey @DAVID FUNK, RT time stands for Risky Toilets. Basically when you have low amounts of Risky Toilets in a venue the better chance you have of putting together a great balanced mix, having great quality toilets and great plumbing will help accentuate that desirable low end rumble you want to get out of your PA. Hope that helps answer your questions regarding RT
@finnrowden33414 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Please keep releasing more videos showing around your main campus and even your tour set ups! God bless
@TheGuitarsforme4 жыл бұрын
I've actually been there and experienced the room. Although I thought it sounded good, I do think the room didn't feel live enough. The verb in the mix did not sound natural, so the energy wasn't there naturally. But I know you do a lot of live recording and streaming so I know that helps.
@PatTagudar2 жыл бұрын
A walkthrough is so much better than a PowerPoint slide 😁 Question to all: why aren't diffusers used much, if at all, in many sanctuary environments?
@steve010104 ай бұрын
Because the solutions aren't designed by acousticians! haha. Diffusion is important as well. Things are changing a bit. I've seen more diffusion.
@titov78234 жыл бұрын
Where can I get this mineral wool and what density do I get? Also, are the panels in the auditorium also 4” like the stage? Thanks! Amazing video!!
@OctaneAVL4 жыл бұрын
We made a lot of the panels ourselves or we use Prime Acoustic for their panels. The room ones are 4" but built into the walls. If you need help with treating your room or need materials. Feel free to contact us on our site!
@rafadrum_x4 жыл бұрын
Alguém traduz pra gente aí galera ,os brasileiro que concorda aí da um salve
@parfenyj4 жыл бұрын
Super interesting! I remember that when I visited (in 2018), the room felt comfortable to just *be* in, and I mean acoustically. It's so much easier on the ears when there isn't too much reflecting and scattering sound going around... cozy!
@danielfmyers4 жыл бұрын
Now I have to aim my bass amp differently 👍
@OctaneAVL4 жыл бұрын
I hope it helps!
@danjones40024 жыл бұрын
It wont help. And 4" of mineral wool doesn't stop low end
@danjones40024 жыл бұрын
Your best bet is to use inears. If you need to feel it just have a sub on stage. Most all of your mics on stage should have a high pass filter on them so it won't effect the mix. A bass cab will
@DrakeKelch4 жыл бұрын
Dan Jones it’s been working for us for years. All our live records are using this method.
@sharonraizor28393 жыл бұрын
So I have a question...you put acoustic treatment behind a guitar amp to stop reflections from getting into the mic, but isn't a drum screen doing the same thing? Reflecting loud percussive sounds back in the microphones, and with drums you have several different toms, snare, kick, reflecting back into several mics. Can't this cause phasing? I'm not being critical, I just want to know.
@jgooch994 жыл бұрын
What’s the RT60 of the room?
@LaminarSound3 жыл бұрын
All for the small price of $300k. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I’m not hating, I’m being honest. You guys did it right. I wish most pastors and ministries could really understand how much of an INVESTMENT room treatment and the house mix is.
@AaronZahnd2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately to add to your point, there is no way they did this for only $300k, that Meyer PA only cost that much.
@TheCarlosAlfaro4 жыл бұрын
Gold!!!! Thank you guys!!!!!
@abethebomb4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!! Are you all also treating the ceiling? And would LOVE a video on your approach to tuning the PA.
@OctaneAVL4 жыл бұрын
No treatment on the ceiling.
@joelking73 жыл бұрын
Withe equipment all can do it... Jajajaj bless.
@matthewalves38554 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris, I was wondering that little block between the amps was? Was it just acoustic foam, or just a block of wood with some little carpet on it?
@RobertSullivan7074 жыл бұрын
Matthew Alves I think it was a small sorber panel from clearsonic. Just a small square of mineral wool essentially.
@huktek3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the walkthrough! You briefly referenced the subs which was stage right... I'm assuming ground-stacked - but do you only push from one side? What does your sub array look like? Using a Gradient / delay to shape at all? And if split left/right how to you overcome lobing? Thanks!
@DrakeKelch3 жыл бұрын
I can say we have 1 700Hp sub per side on the floor. I can’t really speak to the tuning tho.
@jaste51344 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the walkthrough. I would love to see a video of your general scene setup on the Digico.
@OctaneAVL4 жыл бұрын
There is a whole training greely's show. Over on our website you can get the course.
@benmiller40654 жыл бұрын
Did you all create the mineral wool treatment fixtures or could we get a link to what you used in the amp room, back/side stage and walls?
@OctaneAVL4 жыл бұрын
We either make them all or buy them from Prime Acoustics. Octane sells prime acoustics if you need some!
@sergeyshchipskiy46262 жыл бұрын
Lots of useful and practical ideas for good acoustic sound. Thank you
@halimdrummer7774 жыл бұрын
Драмшилд-кака!!!!drumshild💩🙈💩🙈
@edwinstephen73664 жыл бұрын
Awesome video bro.....hope you would bring more videos like these...!
@oasisdei Жыл бұрын
Where can one purchase the material used for the wall acoustics?! Thanks
@pontuslandin68833 жыл бұрын
Noob question from my side. Why not put the bass amp in the isolation room as well? Give the guy his bass in the IE-monitor and cut down on stage sound even more?
@lucasbatalha50834 жыл бұрын
Vcs não utilizam outra mesa para o palco?
@cdubb9781 Жыл бұрын
seems very easy when you have that budget.
@rhysplaysguitar21064 жыл бұрын
amazingly helpful thanks Chris!
@jonycruz24304 жыл бұрын
88db mix. With drums? WOW didn’t know it was possible
@ttakotube4 жыл бұрын
I am sure, it is 88dB(A) with long integration time. Tough even so it is ridiculously low. I guess it is an average and not peak.
@aaimginggraphics24114 жыл бұрын
that is PROB true....look at all the dang gone baffles!!!
@andredejager24974 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for this. Question: in a room your size, is your PA made up of just line arrays and subs, or are you using any kind of fills through the room?
@DrakeKelch4 жыл бұрын
Andre de Jager we have two out fill speakers for the very corners of the room.
@andredejager24974 жыл бұрын
@@DrakeKelch Thanks Drake, really appreciate the reply
@GregVasquez777 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Very awesome to learn more about great live sound!
@evgheniim4 жыл бұрын
It helps. T.y
@isaacmondesir1814 Жыл бұрын
I built those panels :)
@fdespinola4 жыл бұрын
Brutal
@Whatthesigma852 жыл бұрын
What Mics do you have on the guitar amps?
@cedriccherry21173 жыл бұрын
What is the measurements of you’re sound panels around the church?
@thomasbodenchuk2 жыл бұрын
Chris is such a Legend!
@WhostolemyToastXX4 жыл бұрын
hey bro, whats the Sqft of your worship building? is there any point using line array if my church is much much smaller than yours? (our church has high ceiling though)..thanks
@DrakeKelch4 жыл бұрын
Brian Ho it’s a 1000 seat room. But we’ve put line arrays in way smaller 300 seat rooms. There is always an application.
@danterrymusic4 жыл бұрын
So cool. I could hear your voice/acoustics change when you were next to the wall absorption material.
@Albion12345 Жыл бұрын
We have a drum cage and it does really well at blocking the cymbal noise from coming out. However, the issue we have is the lower frequencies of the drums spill out too much. To compensate we turn the drums down in the house, but then we get a muffled drum sound coming off the stage. Our cage has a top and a back but we have no sound panels on stage. I’m curious how much their sound panels help with this and also whether they have anything on the floor to help dampen the drums. Thoughts anyone?
@DrakeKelch Жыл бұрын
100% need panels on the stage, at least the back wall to act as a bass trap.
@Albion12345 Жыл бұрын
@@DrakeKelch thank you!
@barrsique4 жыл бұрын
I love amount of though and work you did with the sound absorption on the stage and with the the room treatment. Sadly, most of the venue suffers from bad acoustic treatment even if the PA is top notch.
@andyelguitarista98434 жыл бұрын
Where are the amp baffles from!?
@jeremymarion53224 жыл бұрын
Those look like Clearsonic baffles
@blakerhodehamel63003 жыл бұрын
What are the little clips that hold the plexi together?
@GoShineMediaProduction2 жыл бұрын
Amieeeenn
@jaredebeling14124 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris for the video- why do you keep the bass rig on stage but not guitar amps? Why not put bass rig out the back off stage too?
@DrakeKelch3 жыл бұрын
The bass amp is for the bass player mostly and not really for tone. It allows us to keep it at a lower volume. VS the Guitar amps need to be louder to get the tone we want out of them.
@aaimginggraphics24114 жыл бұрын
good Jezus....the money that is in baffles is baffling...LOL
@huktek3 жыл бұрын
INTERNS!
@brandonreed93894 жыл бұрын
Can you give info on the drum shield?
@davidostapuk4 жыл бұрын
Brandon Reed 4’x6’ plexiglass sheetS
@RossAdams4 жыл бұрын
That is so amazingly helpful. Any idea of the dimensions of the drun shield?
@davidostapuk4 жыл бұрын
Ross Adams I’m pretty sure I saw Drake Kelch say that it’s made up of 4’x6’ Plexiglass sheets
@RossAdams4 жыл бұрын
That was incredibly helpful! Any idea what the dimensions of the drum screen is?
@DrakeKelch Жыл бұрын
8' wide by 6' tall. The Riser is a 8x8 riser.
@torilawler85002 жыл бұрын
Where did you get that drum shield? Is it connected to the platform?
@DrakeKelch2 жыл бұрын
custom made. It sits on the riser.
@GoShineMediaProduction2 жыл бұрын
@@DrakeKelch helo, come and join us to our channel, may our video, worship. God bless u and fam
@ttakotube4 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, what about the roof? Is it also treated with some acoustic material?
@DrakeKelch3 жыл бұрын
Nope!
@jonathanpage68134 жыл бұрын
I though bass was more or less omnidirectional. Does turning the bass amp really make that much of a difference?
@DrakeKelch4 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Page absolutely. Having your amp face forward can really impact your subs in a bad way.
@johnpaulporrelli62084 жыл бұрын
awesome video. i have some questions. when you say 88 db mix is that peaks or minimum and the peaks are more?
@DrakeKelch4 жыл бұрын
john paul porrelli peaks.
@johnpaulporrelli62084 жыл бұрын
I wish I could achieve that. How did you come to the decision of 88?
@FlintRiverBaptist4 жыл бұрын
That is extremely low volume.. I’m surprised. That’s good I guess but surprised.
@okenwachinomso58544 жыл бұрын
Great info! Thanks
@Dannys.channel2 жыл бұрын
Awsome vid
@TayloredImpression4 жыл бұрын
They mix to 88db? Wish he would have expounded on that a little
@DrakeKelch4 жыл бұрын
MrTaylorMusic We do mix at 88db for our 8am service! 90-92db for the rest of the weekend! Check out Chris’s Class on Octaneavl.com or Productiononline.com to learn how to get a 88db mix!
@TayloredImpression4 жыл бұрын
Drake Kelch so the 88 is just the average? I’m sure with peaks above that and even more for your later services
@DrakeKelch4 жыл бұрын
MrTaylorMusic for our 8am service its 88db peak. Sometimes others are the same. Other wise it’s 92db peak.
@jakesolivier91134 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks! A few questions tho: AMP ROOM: Do you think what you've done with your amps has been better than putting each amp in a separate enclosure? BASS AMP: Your bass amp on stage. I'm assuming you still line it out to the console right? Does the bassist still use in-ears? And does he just have some volume coming out the amp just enough so he can "feel" it? Thanks!
@aaimginggraphics24114 жыл бұрын
ok...obvious question....but why NOT just put amps on stage and instead of using a mic use a line out with a DA??....just seems like OVERKILL
@DrakeKelch4 жыл бұрын
Amp Room: its way easier and more function this way and sounds just as good. Bass Amp: we mic it and have a direct out of the bass amp. It’s just enough volume to feel it. Everyone on stage uses in ears.
@DrakeKelch4 жыл бұрын
andrew armington well. You’ll never get that 88db mix with amps on stage. We are going for sound quality. You should go check out Greelys mixing class on octane avl to hear his mix it will make more sense.
@jakesolivier91134 жыл бұрын
Drake Kelch Thanks man. Makes total sense. Gonna have to try that 👍🏽
@jakesolivier91134 жыл бұрын
Drake Kelch So you run 2 channels for bass then? And EQ them differently I’m sure?
@BloodBoughtMinistries2 жыл бұрын
its all about making money and peaching unbiblical nonsense with bethel!
@LukeAndrewFlint4 жыл бұрын
I don't like being in a drum shield/ box but its better than the sound guy constantly telling me off for being too loud. Heck he still tells me of with the drum shield!
@anthonydoyle62533 жыл бұрын
did my guy really say an 88db mix? that's soooo quiet
@DrakeKelch3 жыл бұрын
But it still sounds huge!
@paintab57814 жыл бұрын
Camera Coverage is poor. YOu needed to actually see the things he was talking about
@cardboardspace Жыл бұрын
Why aren't the amps pointing at the right direction in the first place? why does it point towards the sound absorption? it's like shooting light into a black hole. why? shouldn't the sound be adjusted to the right volume and pointed at the audience? Also - soaking up sound (sound absorption) is not the same as sound isolation. Drum-shield: you can improve the drum shield by sealing up the gaps and using thicker (double pane) material and puttig absorbing treatment on the underside of the roof part. Is there ceiling treatment in the congregation space or just wall treatment? what is the mineral wool density and thickness? do you also have the 2" gap behind the congregation space treatment?
@DrakeKelch3 ай бұрын
Guitar amps are miced up. It allows you to control the volume of the room without having to make the sound system too loud to over power the stage volume.
@Dannys.channel2 жыл бұрын
I can show you how to do it without a drum shield. If you want.
@SoggyBagelz3 жыл бұрын
drum shields are 100% unnecessary in a 1000 seat auditorium
@bleckybob4 жыл бұрын
I think it’s ironic that they’re talking about such amazing sound at bethel, but they can’t even get their own sound right on an isolated vocal mic lol