Bethesda dev responds to Starfield Shattered Space DLC backlash

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[@YongYea]

The part that stood out to me was when the dev said "Maybe it's a game of expectations." But I think expectations have risen because other devs have delivered so much more at that price point and it's OK to have higher expecations in terms of quality, quantity, and substance of content. PATREON: www.patreon.com/yongyea TWITTER: twitter.com/yongyea INSTAGRAM: instagram.com/yong_yea TIKTOK: www.tiktok.com/@yongyea TOP PATRONS [BIG BOSS] - Devon B [BOSS] - Gerardo Andrade - Michael Redmond - Phil [PRETTY LEGENDARY] - azalea

[@tomatomaki]

Thank you Chong Yue for the awesome news.

[@404Errored]

Bruh at this point i have ZERO desire for anything Bethesda if it's directly from them and not something they just publish instead...

[@murrarotz7082]

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[@ZurigaSungama]

Thanks for the update, Kiryu-chan!

[@dragonslayermasterornstein83]

Hey yong you made the mistake of saying that starfield released over a week when it's the DLC that released over a week. The game is already a year old

[@omg_RANCORS]

I fucking hate when an executive says “we worked so hard” or “we poured our heart and soul into this”. What your saying is your best effort is shit. Emil says the designers are good at what they do? They are not. There’s a phrase in Formula 1 racing, “ you are only as good as your last race” and the last time Bethesda raced, they shit the bed.

[@benrogers5058]

Lol. Read this while shitting.

[@Faminetheblack]

Bars

[@Blindsyde5762]

Good analogy

[@mtdfs5147]

Really Good analogy

[@Doomerang01]

To be fair, castle crashers had a poop-propelling deer so racing on poop could be effective.

[@TheTrueRandomGamer]

I'm sure it won't be out of touch, corporate speak.

[@Sadioli]

Corporate speak, it was exactly what the players have wanted

[@bunnybreaker]

inb4 "We appreciate the passion of the fans."

[@ifunnyuser6838]

Oh boy, company releases trash then asks "why do people call it trash?"

[@MaphistosChosen]

Todd Howard: Those garbage men should be paying ME damn it!

[@ifunnyuser6838]

@@MaphistosChosen this be why piracy is good, why pay for trash when you can sample it before wasting money xD

[@blumbtumb7404]

And we reply; -"what's that smell?" With shit covered smile, and an empty wallet. Let's hope whatever Bethesda releases in the future will be VERY hurtful for their profit margins, as their ego seems to be incredibly enlarged. Unless those are tumors?

[@ifunnyuser6838]

@blumbtumb7404 "we were too starved to see, now we feast and finally see their lies and slander"

[@ifunnyuser6838]

In reality we really shoulda seen their lack of care with fallout 4 but in the end we were young and dumb, now they're much more brazen to a point we see them for what we are

[@KiltedCritic]

Bethesda will "listen", that's a comfort. You mean just like they did after the game was originally released?

[@noahsylvester1754]

yes, they will "listen" they'll "listen" to the people who say there's nothing wrong with starfield, and keep ignoring criticism

[@thedrifter5531]

yeah just like when they listened that players didn't want to pay for mods

[@TheLuceon]

Or when they "listened" while replying crap copy-pasta responses to steam reviews.

[@mtdfs5147]

Just like they "listened" to the fallout 76 criticism. They listen to the side that most people don't actually agree with.

[@mtdfs5147]

​@@noahsylvester1754oop yep this 😅😂

[@Stukov961]

As Juicehead pointed out, peak player numbers of shattered space on steam is far less (an eight IIRC) than the number of steam players that bought the special edition that included the DLC. Like, let that sink in, a majority of people who were hype enough to buy the $100 early unlock edition didn't even bother to reinstall the game for the DLC they'd already paid for.

[@SolStone]

*raises hand*

[@Stukov961]

@@SolStone yeah, me too

[@atomicsan]

Me too, and I won't even play it.

[@avatarnang5803]

Damn, y'all got FLEECED

[@Seracen]

Same, had I not bought the Special Edition for a deep discount, I'd be even more livid. As it stands, perhaps in another year, assuming fans create enough mods to make the game worth it. It's a competent enough time waster, but still soulless when compared to the likes of BG3 and Cyberpunk.

[@0taku912]

Todd: "It's not how it's launch, it's what it becomes" Starfield's launch was a mess and it became a waste of time.

[@ZzVinniezZ]

or u could say....a Waste of SPACE

[@countrycovers]

They tried making No Man's Sky with zero of the actual content available in No Man's Sky. This is what happens when you half-ass everything.

[@M00nlightOfficial]

To be fair, No Man's Sky didn't launch with all the content it had today, and got critical backlash the same way Starfield is getting. The only difference is Hello Games is giving the content people wanted for free since its release. Bethesda is selling a $30 DLC that still fumbles.

[@countrycovers]

@@M00nlightOfficial Considering the state of the game now (2024 No Man's Sky) I'd say its poor launch is pretty much irrelevant at this point. Hello Games went above and beyond and fixed everything, Bethesda on the other hand is going to let Starfield die on the vine with no remorse.

[@ZeroXSEED]

@@M00nlightOfficial Nomanski issue was they have achievable aim but none of the resources It should not be forgotten, however there's nuance involved in how a game fails to deliver, and more importantly how the developers fix hem. Bethesda is just lazy, and Todd is a liar.

[@FrankCastle-h9s]

No man's sky failure should be remembered, always. We should however, tip our hat to hello games for working on getting their customers and players trust back and earning it. Lesson learned but lesson not forgotten.

[@ericp631]

​​@@M00nlightOfficial The difference is that hello games was an indie studio of only 4 people at that time and no money, while Bethesda is one of the richest publishers, owned by the richest company in the world and has thousands of employees to throw at projects. The comparison fails. They have no excuse.

[@TheInnocentRabbitofCaerbannog]

They had over a decade to learn and improve and somehow things never clicked A literal wild monkey has better learning skills than bethesda

[@RigobertosTacoShop]

Have enough monkeys in the room, eventually they’ll produce Shakespeare😂

[@KingofGermanic]

"Man this Skyrim game is a little rough around the edges but super fun! I wonder what Bethesda games will look like 10 years from now!" "Oh..."

[@Superbattheman1]

Sincerely hoping this is a wake up call for Bethesda to get it together, but then again it should’ve been the case after fallout 76

[@Manny082]

I think most of their good staff left after fallout 4. You start noticing the lack of direction in writing after fallout 76 and it's continued onto starfield. This is not their best work, by far.

[@packlesswolf1]

Yeah but they fixed 76. Added NPCs after Backlash, added several Free story expansions, updated map to show grown in the wasteland, added whole new map area that's decently big, many quality of life improvements, new mobs and added 3 new world bosses with a Destiny like official Raid coming next update in December, many new weapons and armor, many new events, still making free Season passes. I know a lot of people don't like the game still but it's awesome compared to Pre- Wastelanders update.

[@RigobertosTacoShop]

It won’t be

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

I'm of the opinion that _NOTHING will change_ unless we reach a point where Todd Howard isn't allowed in the building anymore; him, and his turbo-goth head writer.

[@CidGuerreiro1234]

Bethesda is going to be next Ubisoft, mark my words.

[@cordingdesert9566]

The fact that they released no major update or overhaul like cyberpunk did means they don't care or don't see a problem. Adding a car doesn't cut it.

[@tjenadonn6158]

Now you can experience all of the nothing there is to see in the game even faster.

[@captainmurphy4948]

Don't give them ideas. Fallout 4 is still messed up from their "major upgrade" (an upgrade of 40gb extra space taken up on your hard drive for nothing) from what I've read. Just... let it go.

[@Yeshalot]

lets not forget that the "expansion" is content that was produced along side the game, it only just now is ready (its not ready) Bethesda is the worst of the worst now

[@chilbiyito]

They didn't even want to add a vehicle originally they had to after enough people complained

[@blumbtumb7404]

Cyberpunk should have overhauled it's story, so don't make it as some diamond in the rough, it's an abomination in my eyes, bugs or not

[@Marksman3434]

Bethesda leadership needs a serious overhaul, starting with Emil getting fired

[@blumbtumb7404]

Preach! About time!

[@Boyahda]

At this point just cancel Elder Scrolls VI. Let it end on a good note with Skyrim.

[@StolasXB]

Dont say that shit. I aint playing skyrim for the next 10 years.

[@lokilucario]

​@@StolasXBes6 ain't gonna be any better

[@StolasXB]

@@lokilucario If you wanna play the same game for 20 years be my guess. Me personally, I want sonething new.

[@galax12370]

@@StolasXB skyblivion is actually gonna be TES VI for me again bethesda saved by crazy modders

[@mellowlando2017]

@@StolasXBthere are/will be other series’ & franchises to experience

[@wolflance64]

how to kill any remaining embers for the next elder scrolls, wooo give it up for blind corpo greed yeaaaaah~

[@mtdfs5147]

Seriously. If anyone pre-ordered ES6, un-preorder now 😂😂

[@YeetusMingus]

Emil and Todd are going to make the Elder Scrolls 6 the biggest disappointment in gaming, maybe ever

[@aestheticmirror9257]

Nah we see it coming, cyberpunk is still the champ

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

100%.

[@Theson97]

I really don’t want to see that, but unfortunately I think you may be right.

[@KingKilo88]

Along with FO5

[@markobucevic8991]

@@aestheticmirror9257 if you had a good PC when it came out like I did, you would actually enjoy the game plenty and it only gotten better over time

[@amharbinger]

When most of your customers are voicing the same complaints your job as a company is to address those issues. If you keep making those same mistakes your customers will go elsewhere, Ubisoft is facing that right now. Loyalty and goodwill only go so far and Bethesda as a company has failed to deliver not only with Starfield but also Fallout 76's launch or Wolfenstein Youngblood. The gamers who played those or felt burnt by buying those games likely aren't buying your games or at least not at full price anymore. You're repeating the same formula with Starfield's DLC that made the core game a drag and you thought gamers would be okay with that? What are you thinking, just saying "we worked so hard' doesn't matter to the people giving you money.

[@kennyevilmonkey]

I don't care how hard they work on making my sandwitch. If it tastes like shit, then it is shit.

[@vveedcat]

I’ve heard nothing but bad about this game since its inception. The next elder scrolls game with be the worst to date, I have no faith in this company at all.

[@DaffyTaffy93]

So tired of these “AAA” games being stale and half finished or in some cases a 1/3 done…..

[@dexter5653]

Looking at how CDPR and Bethesda each handled criticism and what they did over time in response, it's just shocking.

[@TheLuceon]

To be clear, CDPR handled the games launch extremely shady. As I recall, they with held review copies for consoles and required only footage shown to be that which CDPR provided. Choosing to release the game knowing what state it was in is one thing, actively trying to hide it to keep those pre and early purchases is another.

[@TheDragon975]

​@@TheLuceonYeah, didn't they impose a review embargo until the release date? I could be mistaken but I vaguely recall something to that effect.

[@tgb6823]

To be fair, the Polish government issuing the studio a massive fine had a big hand in that.

[@NeFlorence]

What Bethesda just can’t understand is that it’s no longer 2011. The STANDARDS for an Open World RPG are higher. In 2011, Bethesda set the bar with Skyrim. That is undeniable. But since then? The bar has been raised. The standard isn’t Skyrim anymore. The Standard at this point is Cyberpunk 2077 and even Red Dead Redemption 2. If your open world RPG game can’t meet that standard, you’re going to lose the battle of comparisons. No one wants to see an NPC talk straight into the screen with nothing else going on because of Cyberpunk’s first person cutscenes proving that they could do more. No one wants a janky and buggy mess of a game because “it adds that bethesda charm”. You just can’t rely on “oh well the modders will add/fix it later” The genre that Bethesda had monopolized grew past it and they’re now playing catch up.

[@KorbinX]

Bethesda set the bar with Morrowind, not Skyrim. Skyrim was super dumbed down. Basically kindergarten for Elder Scrolls. While the stories and characters were cool, the gameplay was atrocious. I'm glad people liked it tho

[@MeowtronStar]

Bro, my expectations were as low as Skyrim. But this is even worse.

[@arnox4554]

@@KorbinX Oh boy, another "Skyrim bad" take. How amazing. I played that shit at launch and I had an amazing time. And this is from someone who enjoyed Morrowind before that.

[@arnox4554]

Is this DLC even at 2011 standards? Everyone says we've moved past that but I think we've regressed on average.

[@penguinpirate247]

I tried so hard to finish the base game... Just couldn't do it. I can't recall a time that I felt truly immersed while playing Starfield in comparison to other Bethesda titles.

[@Travelerr]

I got bored... VERY bored. I uninstalled it after 3 days of trying to find any enjoyment... I gave up. The game felt hollow.

[@Crystan]

I did beat it. You're not missing much. The ending was bland just like the rest of the content was.

[@KermitOfWar]

Same. It also didn't help that the Temples were lame af. At least the Dragon walls for shouts in Skyrim gave us some cool halleluja music. 🤣

[@HeyLookImGerman]

It just couldn't keep my attention. I think I did like two of those power temples and called it quits.

[@AFatalPapercut]

i loved most all other bethesda titles...with 100s and probably thousands of hours spent in the Elder Scrolls series. something about this game feels oddly amateurish. for a company that made some of my favorite and most played games this was a very obvious change. it's not completely horrible, but it's never amazing. Like a frozen pizza.

[@ameridude1]

Played the DLC for about 5-6 hours, disappointingly short, ending was a nothing burger, uninstalled

[@solonepeon5805]

Don't order fake burgers next time. Better to eat the real thing 😂👍.

[@chrisedwards253]

What I hate about them is how self-congratulatory they are. Like just self denial. They don’t listen to criticism or fix anything unless it requires little work like, a shitty buggy to traverse empty planets. And even then they still releases patches to fix their games but fuck that up also. “We worked really hard”. No your lazy and incompetent, happy to take ppls money whenever possible.

[@sparaz]

Half the price of the original game and they delivered a mediocre side quest checklist. Meanwhile CP2077:PL delivered 50 hours of story content, several new endings and future interactable content, new mission types, new lore, perfectly curated story content (with some amazing voice acting need i say), a massive new explorable area that links into the og game but also adds new mini events and dynamic side quests as a simple after thought... I mean I haven't given PL justice and they've done more than what I'm saying. It was not surprising because every Witcher expansion was always the gold standard just as PL is to CP 2077. And Bethesda is just NOT UP TO THE TASK.

[@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290]

In a perfect world, CDPR or Obsidian would be able to buy all Bethesda's IPs. They , unlike Bethesda, are _real_ professionals.

[@sparaz]

@@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 truth. They've had missteps but they've always redeemed themselves. The more corporate take overs that occur the more the quality slips with money grabs

[@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290]

@@sparaz Exactly.

[@KanoWhite53]

My wife always tells me "bigger doesn't always mean better"

[@RayTheomo]

The downfall of Bethesda, Ubisoft, and Bungie will be studied for generations.

[@celuiquipeut6527]

It wont, really, the followin generation are brainwashed monkeys, the equivalent of mao's red guard, they have no critical thinking and are unable to study anything.

[@Tanzu15]

Yup. That shit has to be studied.

[@schlobster3929]

It literally does, a documentary giving insight into this stuff would be genuinely fascinating, so many hundreds of millions of dollars and years of employee work being tossed down the drain over and over.

[@SHADOSTRYKR]

This DLC was developed for at least over a year if not longer. With mostly completed assets and engine. Old Bethesda is gone, the name is no longer synonymous with quality RPGs

[@lHAZ4RD]

Mass effect 1 did it awesomely. How TF did Beth mess this up so badly?

[@omg_RANCORS]

BG3 came out 1 year ago. Has had a half dozen major updates including 2 reworks to the ending. In every metric BG3 is a bigger and more complicated game. Other than starfield has 1000 empty planets.

[@KantFromEC]

I made the mistake a buying the season pass at release. When shattered space dropped and starting auto-installing I straight up just deleted Starfield. I fumbled big time with this one.

[@VJ-zm5xi]

The whole situation becomes much more clear if you looked at Starfiled as a platform to be monetized, rather than a single player game with a campaign and characters a gamer should remember after the final titles. The game is somehow more similar to Fallout 76 than Skirym, I guess, because it's also souless.

[@GallumA]

Starfield was the epitome of a game designed by committee. It's what happens when you let a collective design something instead of an exceptional visionary.

[@forcedemodo]

Shartfield shattered Dreams 2 DLC Boogaloo

[@torgo_]

They should consider scrapping everything and going back to the drawing board; to approach game design from a perspective of making a "good game" instead of making a game that is high tech or impressive or well received. When Daggerfall, Morrowind and Oblivion came out, those titles took so many risks, and they were so innovative. Underneath the bells and whistles there was the soul of an indie game. I'm sure that there are plenty of very talented people in the team: the artists, programmers, 3D modellers, etc. But the people calling the shots: the directors and designers; I get the feeling that these are 50 or 60 year old industry veterans who are completely out of touch. If they were to take a back seat and let some of the new blood to make decisions then we wouldn't have the dumpster fire of Starfield.

[@daheadsmiter2052]

Working Retail: The Customer Is Never Wrong.

[@aestheticmirror9257]

In matter of taste. Don’t forget that part

[@TheGravityShifter]

@@aestheticmirror9257 No, they really are never wrong. As far as guiding principles go. It was never about saying customers are infallible in any way, it's about always striving for customer satisfaction. The more you satisfy, the better for your business.

[@aestheticmirror9257]

@@TheGravityShifter CoD and destiny are still popular, despite becoming worse with every change

[@Ryan1993uk]

Bethesda seems afraid to innovate now, just recycling same things... making me scared for Elder Scrolls 6

[@Jake-jj2pg]

I was excited for Starfield. But now the more I hear about it, the less I want to play it.

[@celuiquipeut6527]

Dont waste your money. ITs a regurgitation of old bethesda thropes, devoid of anyhting that made other bethesda title great, and they filled the void with wokeness. Its pure hot garbage.

[@Warmaker01]

It was worse for me. I got the game at launch. I absolutely loved it at first. However, the more I played, the worse it felt. The flaws started to creep in. The first hit was when I found an "abandoned" station that seemed familiar. I could have sworn I had seen it elsewhere but couldn't put place exactly when and where. Then when I went to the interior, it finally did hit me: I *had* seen this base before with another mission on another planet. It even had the same exact NPCs spawned in the same exact locations talking about the same exact things. I noticed it more with other locations as I played. It was honestly one of the most disappointing realizations I had while playing any game. There's so much more. You can write a paper on Starfield's many issues. There's people that have hours long videos talking about the issues in detail with the game, and the points are legitimate.

[@TheGravityShifter]

I'm not interested in it even though I loved Oblivion and Skyrim (eventually I'll finally get around to completing Morrowind and Daggerfall for the first time ever, maybe, III looks more realistic for me). However, if you really do have some kind of interest, and you have a PC, get it dirt cheap and enhance the game with QoL mods.

[@KorbinX]

​@@celuiquipeut6527 "wokeness" All I need to know about your "review"

[@ZACK74ZM]

I wasted 200 hours on it to realize it wasn’t fun or memorable at like any point. The ship building is 9/10 but outside of that forgettable experience

[@phatpolofish]

I was expecting a Nuka World or a Shivering Dragon Born size DLC with lots to do and fun to play... unfortunately we got Shattered Space which felt more like getting Shattered Dreams from Dustin Rhodes

[@jonwilbeck01]

We don’t want them to pour additional time and resources into starfield. At its core, starfield is devoid the lore and sacredness that made Skyrim so special. All anyone wants from them is elder scrolls 6. That’s it. We have been very clear about this - for years. For a decade.

[@julioramirez8179]

Dear game devs, your "hard work" means shit when your product is shit, its just that easy, either make better products or get acusstomed to people not liking/buying your products. We are costumers not donators

[@FloppiBeef]

I was really hoping the dlc would expand the game and fill in the emptiness. The base game felt like it was missing so much, and I thought it was because they were going to add a lot more in the dlc. I really wish I could experience playing Skyrim again for the first time. I feel like I'll never have that feeling again.

[@commandercat10]

Honestly the dlc usually has the best stuff in Bethesda games and it sucks to see one that didn’t add loads

[@metazoxan2]

yeah Skyrim had some great DLC ...

[@galax12370]

​@@metazoxan2 sorry but the vampire dlc is nothing special. Its cool but a huge missed oppertunity imo, the dragonborn dlc tho holy shit that was really good

[@metazoxan2]

@@galax12370 eh ... fair. I blame that on the vampire transformation feeling rather half baked and overall inferior to werewolf ... so the central power the DLC revolves around is just ... underwhelming. But still it felt like enough content to be worth it's asking price.

[@NicoleMarie.]

Oof. So, they have 1M planets and had a DLC on one empty planet rather than building on space, new environments, and had one mission in the same place? They could have added some better environments for existing planets and made maps more like Mass Effect, just filled the planets with less planets. I have game pass and haven’t bothered downloading it. All they had to do was delete some systems (no one would have noticed) and just consolidated. DLC with better areas or update current ones, space battle, new items, weapons, leveling- boom. What’s the issue? If time is an issue, how can modders fix the UI in days or 1/10th of the time? It’s wild.

[@benji5597]

Does selling their a$$es to Microsoft was a good idea ?

[@es68951]

Emil may genuinely want to have a conversation. It doesn’t change the fact that he is wrong and/or incompetent.

[@truecaliber1995]

I don't consider Emil represntative of the entire whole. I'm sure there are honest developers at Bethesda, who realize their studio fell behind and failed to catch up 6-8 years ago. Unfortunately, if they voiced their concerns publicly, let alone internally, their jobs would most likely be put in jeopardy. In th former scenario, I can understand taking disciplinary action. That said, Bethesda's upper-managment cannot keep living in denial. Even if that is their job, PR-wise. My personal opinion? Microsoft should take Bethesda's leadership to task. Threaten their job security and maybe, just maybe, the studio will either upgrade their engine tech or use something more advanced and easy to learn, like Unreal. Yes, I know many have qualms about software hegemony - I, too, have my concerns. Still, if leaving the aging Creation Engine behind results in greater creative freedom for Bethesda's hard-working devs, and it ends with customer satisfaction, that's a sacrifice I think we should all be comfortable accepting.

[@ashleyflamehart6276]

I remember when corporations said: We are charging $70 because now we put so much more effort and quality into the games than ever before. Well that was a goddamn lie for sure.

[@rikkar994]

They basically created a big open fantasy world where they relied on modders to rush in and fill it up with many mods, like skyrim and monetize off that.

[@wasuh464]

Having standards and raising standards, is evolution of the industry at the most basic level. Companies strive to actually make quality titles to a.) evolve a franchise or b.) compete and out do competitors. Look what happened with Atari back in the day when there was no competition or quality control. The market crashed.

[@Eggnogdude]

I didn't even know starfield had a dlc until I saw this video....

[@panterarip427]

Im currently playing the base game again to do the dlc and while the game can still be fun it is annoying how the quest givers work. In past titles you'd notice something, you could ignore it or investigate, leading on a spiraling quest, but starfield, it's like the npc's know your the player character, literally run to you to tell you about bs that leads to a quest, like walking around a guard is talking about a complaining customer, now it's my problem, maybe if i saw the event unfold and i was invested I would, but the heavy handedness of 80 quests popping up visiting a city is effing annoying, let along trying to buy anything and the vendors have to tell you about their family history ffs, if those things were addressed, let alone organic events you can CHOOSE to engage with would be welcoming.

[@mxyellow]

They say Bethesda's game design is outdated. I didn't even enjoy Skyrim.

[@God-ld6ll]

i can't handle the feedback for Your Life dlc 😭

[@cmdraftbrn]

reminds me of an old comedy sketch with a puppet. "you polish a turd. it's still a turd"

[@aurow7418]

I guess the sad part is the past few Bethesda releases have really tampered my excitement for TESVI. I hope they can right the ship because BGS has made some of my all time favorite games

[@lordkallogaming8800]

It really upsets me that all these companies seem to have forgotten WHY we bought their games. Bethesda used to mean giant open worlds with endless hours of content. They were always messy and buggy, but you could tell the love and passion that went into creations of that size. And now it seems like they want to give us the opposite and then wonder why we don't want it.

[@redigtuffing4624]

"Pay us" - Todd Howard

[@HeyLookImGerman]

I will admit I bought into the hype around Starfield's release. I bought the deluxe edition. I forgot that I even had the game until I went to steam page for Shattered Space to check reviews, and saw "this item is already in your library". I downloaded it and tried it. It simply isn't great. It has some interesting moments and pretty points of interest, but it's just more of what was offered in the base game. Sure, they added cars and whatnot, but it ultimately still feels like a 12-year-old game with a shiny coat of paint. I hate to say this, but I don't have faith in Bethesda as a studio. They're stuck in the past.

[@niklausvenzendt]

Yong this is what I love about you, objectivity, willingness to see both sides of each issue.

[@matthewhedgepeth398]

Oblivion was great because it was still a somewhat novel game when it released. They haven't necessarily changed the formula (nor engine) much since then.

[@LumenPsycho]

When the main selling point of a DLC is a vehicle, you know something is off.

[@Asura.Slothingway]

Bethesda got too comfortable with modders doing their jobs.

[@RandomPerson-ys9kx]

Starslop 😂

[@johnsullivan937]

I completely agree with your take on starfield. I dont know why they went so hard into the procedurally generated worlds route when no mans sky's initial release showcased the limitations of that design back almost a decade ago. Whats the point of having 1000 planets to explore if there is literally nothing interesting to find? The game would have been SO COOL if instead focused on a singular star system with like 5-8 planets + some moons, space stations and asteroids. Have each planet be an interesting hand crafted location around the size of a standard fallout map. with unique locations, wildlife, factions, and what not. Some planets could be more wild west, some could be unexplored and mysterious, and some could be massive metropolis's. I also think the decision to make humans the only sentient species was a bad idea.. its just boring. Have like some alien species that visited humanity and showed us how to do space travel in order to have another trading ally, Or to get our help from some exterior threat.

[@Vert1986]

I’m surprised that 10,000 people are currently playing the game. Who are these chaddingtons ? 😂

[@schlobster3929]

I love it when certain game developers act like gamers are never satisfied despite the fact that we see dozens of successful and loved games from other studios releasing every year

[@LoudNoisesScareMe]

Honestly with Bethesda's track record over the last couple of years especially with the debacle that was 76 non debatable. Does anyone really expect them to release quality content at this point?

[@ultradius7]

What Bethesda should do with Starfield is what Hello Games did with No Man's Sky, improve existing mechanics, animations, interaction, more depth, more quality content, and then, after years of working the game out, release a proper expansion that enhances and rework the game systems to its full potential.

[@ermosazorius4279]

Emil becoming the creative director is why the writing nosedived in the first place.

[@ragingmonk6080]

They told Todd Howard that they couldn't do 1000 planets and do it correctly. He demanded this and look at what we got. They should have made 10 great planets that are Skyrim level in design. Then a year later drop a dlc that adds two more fully fleshed out planets. Rinse and repeat each year until TES 6 comes out.

[@sharpester7277]

Bethesda and their developers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could do it but didn't stop to think that they should.

[@doomy330]

this is quadruple A, Bethesda. please do more!

[@rare437]

Can't wait for Todd to tell us that Elder Scrolls 6 is actually the game he's wanted to make for years

[@Mangacide]

Can we all just admit that the term "Triple A" has become absolutely meaningless?

[@Theorak]

A critical point I see is the time everything takes for that team, they are probably still wrestling with that damn engine and now have less people on that team.

[@ArkonBlade]

Basically "lol, suck it"

[@MrDacat]

i feel like they are just dismissing what ppl are saying and this DLC didn't do much in counter what ppl dislike about it

[@MrSwaggtastic]

Starfield really made be afraid of what another Fallout entry would be like, quality wise.

[@sureberferber9101]

I wouldn't play Starfield if it was free.

[@salvadormendoza5045]

I honestly thought Shattered Space would release in Gamepass. $30 dollars is insane..

[@joshuacalkins]

Shivering Isles was probably the same price, but it had a ton to offer, not a few linear hours. I got more out of Hearthfire.

[@JayMiV]

"How many times we gotta teach you this lesson, old man"

[@carlosrct]

If they make the exploration as robust as No Mans Sky, then we have something worth playing

[@joefloyd5766]

The issue with starfield and shattered space is not that my expectations have raised, if they released skyrim quality but it was in space i would have liked it. But they dident, it was a worse experience and a downgrade

[@lukeyluke117]

Siding with the Emissary is STILL bugged. It’s ridiculous

[@shinnyshin7792]

$30 is what you'd expect for a full expansion. Dragon Age: Awakening cost $40. Oblivion's Shivering Isles was $30. Civ V's Gods and Kings was $30. I can't find the exact cost of Frozen Throne on release, but it was somewhere in that range. I don't think this is a matter of "raised expectations". Rather, I think this is a backlash against the industry demanding we lower expectations we've had for decades and gaslighting us about doing it. Or giving excuses for why we should push the bar lower and lower over the years.

[@SamsarasArt]

Bethesda dev (probably): "It just works."

[@85kentray]

Phil Spencer strongly needs to focus on quality of their games over monetary practices. These practices ruined Killer Instinct, Halo 5 and infinity, and even Gears of war 4 and 5 which both felt rushed and lacked the epic feel from their bosses we felt with the Gears trilogy. Now the lack of care for Quality has leaked its way into Star Field which could’ve been better if it was online and kept frequent updates like Fallout 76. Let’s not forget about Red-fall that was a clear warning on whats to come!

[@johns6095]

Oblivion was so great when shivering isles came out. Staying inside when it was raining playing by the fireplace while your exploring the unique world was just a vibe. All the cool dlc was a nice touch horse armor and vampire lair a knights armor was so interesting.

[@hetzerlee1019]

I don't think Oblivion was made by Bethesda.

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

Only thing Bethesda ever seems to know how to do is make packaged glitches where a game breaks out. Last I looked into the matter, up to Starfield, they were still using the _exact same engine_ for all the Elder scroll games dating back to what they licensed to shove out Morrowind? And they reused that for fallout, elder scrolls online and refuse to address *any* of the billions of bugs left in there since pre-alpha. CDPR wasn't even on the map because the only time I ever heard of their name before cyberpunk, was about Yahtzee's review of _The Witcher_ (the first one), where the game was basically emblematic of a collection of turbo-nerds who got off more on the hours it took to troubleshoot than it did to actually *play a damn game* properly. That said turbo nerds took his derogatory term and turned it into their label of excellence speaks to the lack of self awareness to realize what he was griping about. And back to cyberpunk, the 1.0 launch and its miserable performance are exactly why I have less-than-zero interest in ever touching it. Back to Bethesda... Has _nobody_ in corporate taken a moment to realize that Todd Howard _hasn't released a finished game ever_ in his life in the games industry? How in anything is he still allowed to be employed, or allowed into a games studio anywhere? I can't wrap my head around it. A lot of fanboys are like "but, but, muh fallout" and all I've seen since the 1990s is just Bethesda being absolutely pathetic in the amount of unresolved bugs in their products. Why? Because all too often those bugs *negatively impact my experience whenever I give their software a chance.* It's more of a surprise when their crap _doesn't_ crash within minutes. Why would I willingly give money to a studio that is so apathetic about releasing a finished much less working game?

[@Astar24653]

Bethesda should do a collab with the concord devs it seems like theyre on the same wavelength

[@LLC008]

I really hope this would be a wake up call for Bethesda. They've been lazy since Skyrim (heck, even since Oblivion they started showing those signs) and Starfield is at their laziest. It almost feels like they were thinking "we have the most mod-friendly game engine ever, we have lots of faithful fans and seasoned modders, so let's make a very large-scaled game with tons of empty spaces so modders and fans can create contents all by themselves. It will just work" but they completely forgot that the game needs to be good first if they want community to build it up by themselves

[@unclientrandom5371]

If you fail the main game, don't expect me to try your come back

[@ri3sch]

Kotor 2 was developed by Obsidian in about a year and a half. And that game had lots of content and I’m pretty sure that Bethesda has a LOT more assets than obsidian at that time

[@macrograms]

I used to wait until Bethesda games went on deep sales. I don't even have that curiosity for Starfield. Maybe they will pay people to play it later?

[@ExpectDragons]

I'm glad I didn't waste my money and waited for reviews on Starfield

[@Zachary_s]

All Starfield had to do was to release no more than 10 planets. The size of skyrim with at least half the content of skyrim on each planet. Then they could have coasted by every year by adding a new planet with as much or if not more content. And this could have been a live service that lasted years. And if they ever wanted more money, they could sprinkle. In some other DLC contents along the way.

[@kritikalgamer]

I think whether they played the game or not is irrelevant. Their criticism is based on fan's reactions, reviews, & Bethesda's employee responses to those negative criticism and reviews. They don't need to play the game or DLC to give their thoughts on what is being discussed or addressed.

[@metaloverlord7465]

I mean, as big a dissapointment as the final boss was, the rest of Shadows of the Erdtree was rock solid as a DLC.

[@jeffreyparker9396]

The way that I see it is that the only reason to not send out review copies in advance is because they want more people to buy the game before seeing any reviews. Companies will give a bunch of other excuses, but the reality is that none of those other reasons really hold any water, even if they make sense on the surface. The bigger issue with Starfield and why I still have no interest in it is that when a lot of the issues were brought up Bethesda doubled down on what most of their fans are calling out as bad decisions. If most of your fan base is saying that there were bad choices made, then you made some bad choices. Cyberpunk and No Man's Sky developers admitted that they made some bad decisions and were willing to change those to ultimately make much better games. I think that until Bethesda management is willing to say that some of the choices that they made just make for a bad game, Starfield doesn't stand much chance at becoming what it can be.