Bethesda's Paid Mods That Aren't Paid Mods But Are Paid Mods (The Jimquisition)

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Those paid mods that Bethesda said weren't paid mods turned out to be paid mods and also worse than paid mods.
The Creation Club has gifted a bounty unto Fallout 4, and it looks like things are little too much like microtransactions and mods got welded together horrifically.
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[@LLAAPPSSEE]

"How Bethetic. . ." should be a new post-show thing.

[@LucaHMafra]

Bethetic, just bethetic...

[@katz7550]

Aname Goeshere thats amazing..

[@FrenziedRoach]

"I guarantee they'll work". Yah... I remember dragons flying backward Bethesda - that's not much of an endorsement.

[@cursedex]

I can't wait to see Bethesta charge me for the mod I used to fix the goddamn main story of Skyrim.

[@TrianglePants]

*BACKING UUUPPPPPP*

[@Dark3nedDragon]

Or the far more insidious falling dragon corpses that features physics that could randomly oneshot you.

[@Father_Wendigo]

LOOK MAN, THEY WERE PROPELLED BY METHANE FARTS. THEY EXHALE FLAME FROM MOUTH, THE ARE PROPELLED BY METHANE EXPULSIONS FROM THE BACKSIDE. {please make dragon farts canon, todd}

[@scionkai2524]

Wouldn't farts propel them forward? :thinking:

[@LazyTomato]

_"life's good, when you're a tv that looks like an anime fan on prom night"_ i think this might be one of my favorite sentence mixes on this whole website

[@faritnabiulin944]

LazyTomato I want to see that.

[@WilliamJ.Hoyle777]

"Bethetic" You need to trademark that shit

[@andrewesquivel]

Jim Sterling is the only man in the world who can see red flags through rose-tinted glasses

[@justadude4938]

What are YOU doing here?

[@Driver-qt9jh]

if only because the glasses are broken because of years of abuse.

[@xXCeraiceXx]

andrewesquivel bojack horseman fan I see

[@ronin19xx79]

andrewesquivel You should be a fucking writer.

[@societysgame7270]

andrewesquivel Angry Joe too depending on the day.

[@le3299ify]

From talking to the modders that I used to test for CC is terrible. 1. Quest mods and such are not allowed due to being ''untestable due to time required'. 2. Large packs are not allowed because 'it might make smaller mods seem like poor value'. 3. All the creation club mods are being installed on hard drives via updates to get around the 2gb loose file restrictions on consoles. CC is just getting modders to make micro transactions because any really great mods may ' undermine the official dlc '

[@jasonfenton8250]

Really? But Fallout 4 needed quest mods more than anything else!

[@Finwolven]

Yeah, this is pretty much a shit-show from Bethesda from day one. Not because 'players won't pay for what they used to get for free!'-yadda yadda, but because Bethesda will be shit, and won't put up enough resources to make their service worth anything. It's 'Microtransactions we didn't have to make', the Rip-Off Edition.

[@mehmeh1031]

In a nutshell make stuff we can sell as long as we don't have to put any time or effort in. What a joke, I feel sorry for the modders that might participate, at least they might get a bone tossed at them.

[@heneshena4080]

Don't feel sorry for modders getting a thousand bucks for a single shotgun.

[@jravee5994]

not gonna be surprised if bethesda.net mods were shut down in favor of creation club.

[@hellothere9407]

"At least Bethesda didn't add microtransactions" *Bethesda proceeds to add microtransactions to Single player games that in no way need microtransactions*

[@andrewsmith9179]

Lol

[@ohwhatawaytogo8802]

Let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything. Te he he.

[@zelg.5551]

I wonder if the two ever did a collab.

[@cantthinkofabettername3889]

Zel G. I'm a bit late, but they did a couple of collabs. Rhymedown and Uncivil War.

[@zelg.5551]

Much obliged, I'll go have a look right now.

[@quetzalthegamer]

Wrong show, mate. /s

[@SHESTAGOOEYFROMOPIUS]

*Tee Hee Hee.

[@keiskay]

Not sure if it's been mentioned but the 2 gig update included all the cc content in it. Making it also on disc dlc. That also means using the bsa unpacker you can access the content for free.

[@Grangolus]

keiskay Are you joking? They're adding size to already large games, for paid mods? You don't even download them in steam? Wow. Just amazing.

[@keiskay]

cman977 I wish I was. You can literally open up the mods using the fallout 4 Creation kit without having to purchase them.

[@Qmodi]

i can confirm this. there is litterally no security inside the BSA files either.

[@CanadianBaconPwnage]

Worst part is, it also updates the executable file, which means it has been breaking existing mods, both those that use F4SE, as well as those that don't. Some people are even theorizing that they will have to do updates like this everytime they release a pack of new "mini DLC". Say goodbye to your hard-drives. If you haven't already, and you aren't too late, make sure you tell Steam to "update only when I launch the game", and only play Fallout 4 in offline mode. Don't forget to do this with Skyrim Special Edition as well, if you play that.

... Wait. What?!

[@renewagain6956]

*READ* the book? Had the book *SIGNED* ?! Jim, Bethesda *WROTE* the fucking thing.

[@DanielOzghoBoyd]

RenewAgain "Oh boy, I hope I will write a personal message for myself on my favorite book I wrote."

[@daevious_]

To be fair, Bethesda would be narcissistic and incompetent enough to wait in line for their own book signing.

[@314epsilon]

they'd even charge themselves a dollar for the privilege of waiting in line

[@Blossora]

Nothing can compare to the shit shows that were AC unity, diablo 3, or mortal kombat X on pc at launch.

[@invinciblereason1618]

Blossora don't forget batman arkham knight

[@loonachan]

How else is Bethesda supposed to pay to bring Skyrim to my toaster and calculator?

[@Ramotttholl]

A Toaster is just a Deathray with a smaller powersupply!

[@KaiserAfini]

hentropy By recicling the hail of bullets they used to shoot their own feet, that is enough lead to shield all X-Ray machines on the planet.

[@Neonax1900]

Bethesda didn't even monetize correctly. You shouldn't be able to just buy the mods you want. The mods should be in loot boxes. They can even have tiered unlockables. Every crate should contain 3 Pip-Boy reskins and a premium character skin. But that isn't the exciting part, each crate has a chance to contain a minor side quest, a 1 in 20 chance of custom weapons, and a 1 in 100 chance to get the ultimate loot: the unofficial bugfix patch!

[@zonQe]

How about buying mods in parts, like DC Legends. You'll have hundreds (welll, ok tens) of mods, 50 pieces each. You buy 100 pieces for 30 dollars just to have all those pieces split evenly between all available mods. You can never play any mod until you've spent like $2k, when they finally unlock all at once. Hitler would've been proud, Bethesda!

[@kappaross6124]

Or or or or or, why not combine the two systems? You pay for microtransactions that allow you to buy a loot box that gives you a "puzzle piece" or whatever of the mod, and you have to unlock all the pieces in order to access the mods. Why are we giving them ideas?

[@bradford433]

How about having to pay just to have the privilege to pay for microtransactions... now that is a dystopian future straight from hell. No thank you. Wait a minute! That's what buying the game in the first place is!! Fuck this bullshit industry.

[@watsonwrote]

Underrated comment, honestly

[@zonQe]

Sadly, I don't think we are... Oh, and put some Konami into all of this - expiry dates. All the modpieces you bought will be gone in 6 months - counting from the time of the first purchase, of course.

[@mootang]

There's also a problem with how the Creation Club make you download every single mods available which from what I have heard can be 2-4GB right now. So now Bathesda make you download a chunk of data onto your harddrive which you cant access unless you pay them money. Go look at Gopher vid on the matter for all information, and good luck to all console player who have Skyrim and Fallout 4 out there.

[@tywillis2395]

mootang That also means some code-wizards can crack that shit open and access that shit pile for free...

[@AdventurerOfOblivion]

Man, I've already pirated the mods fully unlocked. It's a fucking joke how easy it was to obtain, too.

[@aesen161]

Chilling Villain copy and paste the access files and change a few names in the code? Or just paste the mod folders into the /Fallout 4/Data folder?

[@AdventurerOfOblivion]

I myself didn't bother with that, but supposedly it works in a couple cases. I personally got them from someone else that just uploaded it for everyone to take. All I'll say is reddit.

[@tompetty927]

Chilling Villain why would you even do that? The free versions of all these are better lmao rip your time man I'm sorry Bethesda has fecked you friend

[@etherraichu]

If you download an unofficial Skyrim patch, around 40 of the changes come from me personally. Fixing their game. And I barely even know what I'm doing. I just know how to look at the script for an item that crashed the game, and replace the comma with a period. Or how to attach a rock to the terrain correctly.

[@TheMistyBlueLounge]

Are you kidding me...? Are you saying a lot of the errors in Bethesda's games come from simple typos like that...? Lol that's just sad :( I knew they weren't the best developers around but that's pretty damn sloppy!

[@amberbaum4079]

I dunno. Human error on these huge ass open sandbox yadda yadda worlds seem to be the norm. Or at least for Bethesda. At this point I would have thought that they would have developed a script that checks for these minor typo errors...but I guess not. I mean, it would makes sense to do that since they build a lot of these open world games.

[@BaileyZK]

But who's going to check the script that checks for typos for typos!? They'll have to make a script that looks for typos in the script that looks for typos in their games. :O but then who's going to check the script that looks for typos in the script that looks for typos in their games, FOR TYPOS!? basically what I'm saying is incompetent people can't make a tool to fix their incompetency because they're too incompetent :P

[@amberbaum4079]

I have no clue if it is whether due to incompetency, them not having enough time, not enough beta tester who are throughout or just basic human error after writing code X for the Ys time.(BTW was Bethesda DOOM also this buggy? I really think it affect this big worlds with tons of code, variables and branching) I just think it would be worthwhile investment on their part to make something like that for themselves. It would pay off too, because they could use it for all their other projects. Basically they could develop it in another environment and use test codes that needs to be checked. If that works then how about letting the script run loose on some small part of their code for that game that is in development right now. Of course this should happen parallel, but still isolated to not fuck things up. It doesn't really need to be big team. Just people who are very familiar with how Bethesda structures their game code.

[@OrangeyChocolate]

Amberbaum It's funny, because DOOM 2016 was actually pretty damn solid after the huge patch made to fix the dreadful loading times, among other things. Even pre-patch I only encountered one instance where I had to reload the game. I suppose it's a little easier to fix a corridor shooter than a sprawling open world (not that I'm defending their shit at all), but with the budget and the staff at their disposal you'd think they could at least roll out with code that fucking works in the first place.

[@cian2168]

Jim, if you don't put the anime fan on prom night in every episode for the rest of the year, or at least for a few months, I will start a petition to add lootboxes to every triple a game in exi-oh wait, I'm too late.

[@fatrobin72]

Egg Benedict cathedral the jimquisition should have loot boxes...

[@moreplz]

"Oh I wonder what I am going to get in this Jimquisition Loot Box." *opens* AN ANIME FAN ON PROM NIGHT "aww man another one...."

[@cian2168]

Jimquisition lootboxes would have boglins. Lots of boglins.

[@xeoneex]

and Kelloggs Humonculous bobble heads >.>...

[@monkaWGiga]

I would actually buy a Cornflakes Homunculus Bobble head...

[@munsa7372]

Meanwhile I'm 500 hours deep and still finding new ways to mod and make New Vegas seem new again.

[@lethalchocobo1886]

500 hours? Casual

[@TheRazePlayz]

Mike Muns dude I hit 600hrs in vanilla XD

[@Sigefreadthebulmunk]

On my steam copy im coming up on 400, but i originally had it for 360. And jezums I don't know my playtime on console. Got all the cheevos so it had to be something up there. But mods are fantastic. Its literally a brand new game thanks to them. Almost manages to get rid of the potato face syndrome the mojave is infamous for and everything

[@pillgrimm]

2k hours here. Excited for Frontier.

[@munsa7372]

Frontier?

[@maxime221b]

Since no one noticed, when Jim is talking about the microtransaction mods, you can hear an instrumental version of "Money, Money, Money" from ABBA. Nice touch from Jim ! :)

[@Redblaze27]

Maxime Elbachir I noticed

[@thenorwegian76]

I noticed it, but I'm no one.

[@BraUnY74]

I have a feeling, like he has just (re)discovered this song, and realized how fitting it is to AAA bullshit.

[@TheSchoolyD]

He used an instrumental of Pink Floyd's "Money" in at least on of his newer videos. At first i didn't even think he would do that. Was pleasantly surprised)

[@OffendingTheOffendable]

Maxime Elbachir millennial says "is ABBA an app?"

[@zarathustra7291]

No one expects the second Jimquisition. I'm original

[@drstrangelove9525]

Meme Thief it said I was the 100th like lol

[@joethealternativegamer3935]

Meme Thief I love bonus episodes 😁

[@slipknotboy555]

Meme Thief Haha, it's okay that it's not original, it's good. I said it aloud when I saw the video in my feed

[@zarathustra7291]

Really? I love stealing memes

[@vrapbrap]

If you follow his twitter, you expect it though.

[@2KXMKR]

I can't imagine the state TES 6 will be in by the time it is finally released, to be honest. I'm almost expecting micro-transactions to join guilds or unlock powers or to progress through the story lines. Even after already paying $60 for the game. Imagine this - Instead of passing a small test to join the mages guild, you have to pay a £5 tuition fee. Instead of bullying some shop keepers to join the thieves guild, you have to pay them a cut, £5. Instead of killing some old woman to join the Dark Brotherhood, you have to cut out a portion of your own soul and send it to Bethesda's studios. Two days later the postman hands you a note with a black hand printed on it with the words "You Paid!" written beneath. The next night you wake up and Todd fucking Howard is sitting atop your wardrobe and tells you where the Dark Brotherhood sanctuary is located. Each time you return, you have to send £1 to the void to enter. Does anyone remember when you would get a color guidebook, a map and a poster inside the game case for £30? I do!

[@ClayMann]

Super bunnyhop found out that big companies like Ubisoft make more money from micro transactions than they do selling the games and all DLC's put together. So they are big business and driving the industry. I think you can expect Skyrim 6 will be 100% designed around these transactions. You'll always feel like if you just buy this addon it'll be easier to do this next thing or grind for hours an d hours. The only hope really is that modders can come in later and break the game enough that it behaves more like a real RPG and not a skinner box designed to suck cash out of your wallet. I expect a lot will be online so probably not. I do remember those days with maps I'd put on the wall and my trusty grid pad for mapping out dungeons in pencil.

[@ledaverubio4618]

MickMaan i member.

[@StrazdasLT]

you already know how TES 6 looks like. You call it TES Online. And take it from Blizzard, once you go MMO, you dont go back.

[@Ireallywouldrathernot]

Bethesda: selling you unfinished games so someone else can fix them and they can make more money.

[@PeterTheRock3]

And even then Bethesda takes a hefty chunk of that money

[@robertstan298]

Double dipping in the stupid that is the mass of consumers around the world. Welcome to Capitalism.

[@dmaxwell910901]

Well that's actually incorrect. Their games aren't incomplete. I hate this bullshit they're pulling, but their games are hardly incomplete.

[@Blaze6108]

Frankly as someone who has made mods in the past, that sits kinda well with me...

[@dr6559]

Tetriz Demon I'd say they are considering they're broken, buggy messes.

[@CazMeister]

"I can't wait to pay for things I can get for free" is the motto of people who buy bottled water when a water fountain is front of their face.

[@compedycakemine6960]

Caz To be fair.... Sometimes water fountains are nasty af

[@Hastur_Carcosa]

What if you forgot your water bottle at home, and you want something portable?

[@DoolsMckenzie]

Problem with that analogy is sometimes bottle water is nicer than water from a water fountain. Here it's the opposite, it's someone deciding they'd rather drink from a dirty river instead of drink from clean bottled mineral water they've been offered for free.

[@kamurotetsu4860]

I can't tell the difference between bottled water and tap water. At all. Infact, the amount of processes that tap goes through so it's clean enough to drink is surprising. Bottled water is an illusion it's cleaner than tap water, a bit like Bethesda pulling out paid "quality" mods when hundreds of them are free.

[@thehousealwayswins8398]

There have been numerous taste tests set up for bottled and tap water. Not surprisingly, the majority of people can't tell the difference.

[@iglidor]

Did you check Steam tags for Fallout 4 - Creation Club? It is clearly marked as Psychological Horror. So you can't really claim false advertisment.

[@aesen161]

Thumbs fucking up. I salute you

[@4423reborn]

North Korea is now officially better at launching things than Bethesda.

[@MarrasKuutar]

This comment made my day.

[@9cookie2monster]

Best comment

[@nonfickshun]

This comment was *amazing*

[@mistertaktvoll]

blue_hills_43r all my today's internets belong to you, sir. I draw my hat to you.

[@Noxims47314]

Goddamn, a nuclear level type of *burn* right there

[@CedarHunt]

It was funny at first but this "update" has completely destroyed the game. It isn't even opening for some people with modded game files. On top of that they have "Creation Club News" front and center on the loading screen. They have ads in a full price AAA game. It's the kind of thing we wouldn't have even considered a year ago.

[@StrazdasLT]

They changed the exe so if any of your mods use scripts it will crash on launch. good luck remaking all your mods. this will happen every time they add new items to creation club.

[@hazukichanx408]

Gawd, all those freaking updates, breaking the Fallout 4 Script Extender that enables half the mods in existence... every single time. Know what I did? Found a mod to back up the game exe, and just kept changing it back... but then I figured out you can just set Steam not to auto-update the base Fallout 4 exe, and just run the script extension only... so now my copy of Fallout 4 is modded to the gills and time-locked for stability. Not like any of those lousy updates were fixing the crap settler AI, the crap loading times, the crap construction, crap balance, crap story... any of the crap, really... just adding more paid mods, I assume. Also I got a mod to remove the Creation Club splash thing on the game menu. Thank you, modders. ;)

[@I.Fumblebee.I]

So are we going to have to pay for bug fixing mods too Bethesda?

[@generalcjg]

The Fumbler If that is the case, then SCREW YOU BETHESDA!

[@evilkatos]

Would you like to be part of the Creators Club Beta Experience? For $4.99 a month you can enjoy all the paid mods before they're released to the public! (additional fees may apply)

[@saywhat9158]

If it turned a frustratingly buggy good game into a streamlined polished great game then it might actually be worth paying for those additional man hours to do ESPECIALLY for a game that that is uber modded which usually means an extensive lifespan. Of course, they would have to base the worth of such a patch on the number of sales of the unpolished version but most people would psychologically rather have a buggy good version than think they didn't receive the available added cost polished edition for what they already spent unless it was offered by a 3rd party.

[@Highyeena]

Ten bucks says that they'll be putting these "mini DLCs" in crates/boxes/whatever lottery bullshit they come up with before a year from now.

[@1Piecer]

With Duplicates, can't forget them.

[@6Qubed]

save the ten bucks, friend, you'll need it to buy keys

[@TheFallenJ]

Some Mightyena Jesus christ imagine if they do that in the next Elder Scrolls: "Daedric artifacts are legendary rarity items you can only obtain from loot boxes"

[@thetrustysidekick3013]

Bethesda's trying to normalize paid mods. Well it's in for a rude awakening. The PC gaming audience have enjoyed mods for free for a very, very long time and if you try to take that away, there will be consequences.

[@Elazul2k]

I'd say it will probably coincide around the time Skyrim goes mobile... and yes i'm pretty sure its going to happen eventually because its been re-released just about everywhere else already.

[@theresastarmanwaitinginthe5149]

Maybe Bethesda should work on fixing their bug infestation problem instead of forcing paid mods down our throats.

[@bonetower]

Or optimising Dishonered 2 so it actually works on most systems.

[@farmsalot1233]

There's a starman waiting in the sky Until wallet warriors die off companies are gonna continue to bend us over.

[@altromonte15]

but they can't sell bugfixes for now, wouldn't be surprised to see that happen in the future, want the patch that maks your game stop crashing? 14.99$ thank you very much

[@lilboat3232]

There's a starman waiting in the sky Love David Bowie.

[@mati_abc]

no shit

[@alakurielle]

Pretty sure I've seen that black chair in The Sims 2...

[@budakbaongsiah]

Arella Silverstone Haha it looks like an HD version of that!

[@Davivd2]

Just wait until phase 2. DMCA claims against existing free mods so that in order to play the same mods you need to buy the creation club version. We haven't even seen it's final form.

[@dragon10449]

Davivd2 I don't think that even they are that stupid to try that. Just look at how big the gta and taketwo thing blew up over just that basically. Bethesda would be literally killing their own company at that point. Plus on top of that gta mods are only pc and look at how massive that uproar was (and rightfully so)...fallout and skyrim both have mods for consoles so the amount of people affected would be so much greater. If Bethesda even issues 1 dmca against a mod for this reason, they will create the biggest uproar in modern gaming

[@thetrustysidekick3013]

+Dylan Coupe Oh Dylan. Dear, sweet Dylan. Nothing is not worth a try for a company like Bethesda if they can make money from it. Cornering the modding scene is worth Bethesda's time if they can get away with it.

[@fpsawsome]

Davivd2 This. Just waiting for this.

[@mehmeh1031]

It didn't work for taketwo because they were just arbitrarily taking the toys away from the kids, and offering nothing in return. Bethesda can do that in this instance but sell it to us instead which will be enough for the deluded fanboys to start white knighting over it.

[@Rezuvious]

Wouldn't really work. A lot of the free mods can prove they were there first.

[@JRent506]

*Morty* : _You're offering consumers cosmetic changes for Fallout 4 and Skyrim for money?! That's paid mods!_ *Rick* : _It's mini-DLC! It's new gaming content, produced by talented mod authors, curated and quality checked in-house by Bethesda's team of developers, Morty. The mod authors get paid as they complete milestones, and the consumer purchases credits that he/she can exchange for the DLC content._ *Morty* : _That just sounds like Paid Mods with extra steps._

[@bingbong6928]

J. Rent OOOOWWEEE PAIDDD MODDSSS

[@Lex-br4wx]

Eek Barba Derkle...

[@nicolaspalmer7448]

Ooh la la, somebody's gonna get laid in college.

[@deeznutzz2814]

im making that into an animated short

[@colinjackson9720]

My IQ was too low to understand this.

[@loonachan]

Jim's truth is so potent it completely changed the look of KZbin.

[@Malus1531]

+hentropy Wow 3 comments in this video by you with over 50 likes. Teach me your ways.

[@miagi1337]

if youtube was part of the game industry, they'd try to sell you the need look as a micro-dlc-modification.

[@loonachan]

It's quite surprising to me too. My comment about underwear bulges wasn't quite as popular, unfortunately.

[@youhavenoprivacyandownnoth8289]

Jim is a communist. Why shouldnt the devs make more money from THEIR game?

[@keithjarrett4420]

you seem to be missing the point Vladimir.

[@Numeriku]

That ugly ass chair is from The Sims... WTF

[@Murmarine]

Numeriku you cant make this shit up! It really is xD

[@wafflehaxxx]

I actually walked past a ad using that exact chair model as a prop while watching this. Small world.

[@acbthr3840]

Ah, excellent, so we can add ACTUAL LITERAL COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT to the list of fucking boneheaded stupidity. Fucking hell Bethesda.

[@Hellfire798760870]

Or it could be Jim misleading the audience, just a thought...

[@acbthr3840]

Chris Grant No, its literally one of the pictures on the announcement page and available for purchase at this very moment.

[@SoCalledSpaceAge]

People bitching about Jim being "negative" should just watch IGN, where a game company could announce it was murdering babies as a pre-order bonus and they'd do plenty of videos/podcasts about how "IT MIGHT BE REALLY COOL!"

[@Rickbane01]

SoCalledSpaceAge They would give a turd a 8.5/10 if they where advertising it.

[@SammyRenard]

yeah pissing and moaning about jim being negative is like complaining that the angry video game nerd isn't more of a positive role model for children.

[@attilapataki46]

ign 10/10

[@tomasxfranco]

Have you ever seen a comment section in IGN or gamespot. That shit is one the most negative in the games industry. Not to mention game trailers...

[@hornyhornyhippos4091]

Tom Franco It's also one of the most hilarious things you will ever see.

[@TrackManiaFtw]

Well, Fallout 4 just disappeared from my wishlist. Bethesda, you done fucked it up! Also what happened to: "No items previously available as mods will be available on the Creation Club" ... Yeah ....

[@jd2792]

TrackManiaFtw well they didn't lie it's not the same items they are worse

[@MrKayouh]

Fallout 4 sucks ass anyway, use your money for something else really

[@hunterisgaming9622]

I like the game personally, and you can still mod it using nexus jsyk

[@thenutsackparachute4110]

TrackManiaFtw you can still mod it. Just go to Nexus and they have a shit ton of mods there. If you're on console, well I feel pretty bad for you. Especially for the ps4 users because they got the shit end of the stick from all this.

[@TrackManiaFtw]

I am on PC so I am fully aware of mods and Nexus. But this is about Bethesda being so ignorant and stupid and shoving paid mods down our throats once again. If they had released something actually worth the money like a weapons pack which adds lots of new guns or a few enjoyable questlines to enrich the experience ... Fine. But not one Horse-Power armor (is this even funny any more?), one gun and two new paintjobs for the Pip-Boy altogether for more than 5€. That's just a rip-off. I am sorry, but that's what it is. The creation club launch is a disaster.

[@backtoklondike]

I remembered when Total Biscuit invited skyrim modders to talk about paid mods and one of them suggested a pateron style of donation would be a better implantation, Why couldn't they come up with that sort of idea? Wait, it's because they are AAA-publishers.

[@Horatio787]

Totalbiscuit made a whole video about the creation club. He brings up the point that the modders who have donations open on their mod pages get next to nothing in donations.

[@influentialdiscovery592]

Because Bethesda woundn't get a cut if they did that.

[@ricojes]

"Tree pall EYYY publishers"

[@ZechsMerquise73]

That's essentially what this is... If you want to Patreon a modder's work, that's up to you. But nobody wants to pay for user created game content. They don't even bother setting up Patreon pages. Honestly, most of the shit that people mod in isn't even legal. Like, Macho Man and Thomas the Tank Engine? Well, it's funny, but it's not qaulity content, it's not something people would pay for, and it's copyright infringement.

[@MechNubbins]

Moiz Jafferji he also saw the potential good in this system so long as the content being put up onto it was substantial and reasonable for the price rather than horse armor 2.0

[@KaptainCnucklz]

How to defend Bethesda's Creation Club and their paid mods: 1. Assert repeatedly they're not paid mods with semantics 2. Refer to it as "outsourcing DLC to fans" 3. If backlash persists, hurl insults 4. Repeat step 1-3 as needed

[@TheDuckClock]

I have a better rearrangement: "Here's a TV that makes the Bad guys cry like Ninja Block Skeleton Warriors."

[@scapheap]

I feel like you need to work 'triple Ayyy' into that as well.

[@ravensharpless]

Or "Here's a TV that looks like a giant enemy crab"

[@Egalitariat-likesecretariat]

"Life is goood when you're a TRIPLE AYY TV that looks like an anime fan of SKELETON WARRIORS on prom night" "MUH-MUH-MAXIMUM SASS"

[@RobofishOnFire]

"Hit the lever to make the Skeleton Warriors cry like a TV that looks like a giant enemy Ninja block on prom night"

[@legion999]

This gag will never stop being funny

[@XOLiD55]

*"IT'S PAID MODS, **_AND_** MICROTRANSACTIONS IN A P-P-P-PREEEEMIUM GAAAAAAAME! TOGETHER AT LAST!"*

[@vrapbrap]

That on top of that Fallout 4 combat footage that looks like slapstick comedy. mmhm, exquisite!

[@angeloffish]

XOLiD I loved that part.

[@Hanja45]

XOLiD At last the industry can die in peace

[@SAM-ru4vx]

so peee seeee mastre race has become a console serf? member when xbox live used to do this....now they use real moneys.

[@generalkenobi9782]

what an embarrassment. I even kept neutral when they announced it in the hopes of getting actual, classic style DLC like operation anchorage, mothership zeta, far harbor, etc. Nope, just shittier paid versions of stuff we already have.

[@joshbutcher9462]

Alright class, let's sit down and do some simple math: a full priced game (usually) is around 60 dollars, correct? The Hellfire Armor alone is worth five dollars. If we compare and contrast, Bethesda is basically saying that one quest and one suit of armor is worth 1/12 of their full priced product. The Hellfire Armor alone is worth 12% of Fallout 4. Let that sink in a little bit.

[@leadreddead5457]

It sunk in and I want it to sink back out again.

[@LordPumpkinPie]

1/12 is not 12% lol. It's about 8.3% However I still agree with your point.

[@Zeriel00]

Now Imagine you get the game a year later for 20$ on a Steam sale. Now that Hellfire Armor is worth 25% of the whole game. Let that sink in again...

[@RdTrler]

Or even better, wait 2 years for Cyber Monday and get the game for $10! Now the Hellfire Armor is worth HALF of the rest. . . . . That's like selling just the game engine in the time it takes to put together a few meshes and a few textures.

[@sethb1689]

This is the biggest issue with all dlc and all microtransactions. Bethesda for a while has been hands down the best company out there with providing dlc actually worth the asking price with most of them coming with entire new areas loaded with new stuff to do in them. There is no way these paid mods could ever live up to what they are known for when it comes to dlc value, if they charge what they charge for these stupid little skins what would they charge for a mod like Falskaar?

[@rtydht45r5]

Damn the part where he implied that Bethesda is calling modders "untrustworthy" and their mods "unstable" really hit home. Like I really can't imagine a world where I'm playing Fallout New Vegas without mods for more than 10 hours of collective game time because the game was a buggy mess

[@desertdevil6451]

elbowgreese FNV wasnt made by Bethesda. The reason for its buggyness tough was the fact that they gave Obsidian an absurdly short amount of time to make the game.

[@rtydht45r5]

Dragan Djodjic ok. the game was still buggy

[@nathanclark2424]

Dragan Djodjic Yeah, Bethesda didn't make FNV a buggy mess. They just made it so Obsidian didn't have too much of an option for NOT leaving FNV a buggy mess. Not disagreeing with you btw.

[@solouno2280]

and New Vegas is one of their less buggy games....

[@nathanclark2424]

@@solouno2280 How Obsidian pulled it off is a mystery to me. Not even being sarcastic, I really do not know how

[@142doddy]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how quickly Jim went from Hospital to 100% quality content?

[@ElvenMans]

But Hospital was 100% quality content too.

[@tmontana213]

Didn't he have his gallbladder removed? I've had the same procedure and I was out of the hospital the next morning. Pretty sore for about a week then back 100%. Jim's a god but us mortals can handle it pretty well.

[@Wisconsinwhiskey]

They just banned a modder for saying that Bethesda needs to fix the CC. Lol.

[@SergeantLuke]

The instrumental version of Abba's "Money, Money, Money" playing in the background is some subtle genius.

[@leon30517]

Luke Schwiebert LODS OF MONEY

[@takemesailorboy1116]

PROBLY

[@keatonkitsune4064]

Lol, Jim have you heard? Apparently the Creation Club/Paid Mods automatically downloads all current mods to your hard drive without your consent, and this was reported during their beta which lasted one day. Sooo~ This flaw was reported before the beta was up and there was no response from Beth, in fact you could say they willfully ignored this and pushed the creation club out the door leaving it as is. Which is asinine, because you can just use the GECK to unlock all the paid mods they've forcefully downloaded onto your computer without paying and they can't do anything about it. In fact this forced downloading, which bypasses Steam's settings about 'updating' (cause this happens during the update that adds the CC to your game whether you want it or not) but noticeably this is sort of... illegal? At the very least it can be likened to malware. Bethesda... WTF!?

[@Ctuchik]

There's nothing micro about bethesdas "microtransactions" if the lowest amount you have to pay is fucking $7.99....

[@budakbaongsiah]

Ctuchik If you paid the game for $60, that's more than a tenth of the game. For a re-skin. I hate Bethesda.

[@nathanclark2424]

Ctuchik now it's just transactions

[@Tinkuwu]

You know, Pete Hines has been trying to save the face of Bethesda by pretending everything is okay with the Creation Club, but then he goes and says that "Well, not everyone is against it since people are downloading it" yet people are downloading ALL CONTENT despite if they bought it or not, and therefore cannot be used a statistic. Pete Hines also says that the Creation Content is more like a "mini-DLC", but if that's the case, why isn't it given to people who bought the Season Pass?

[@user-kc2fu8iw3v]

maybe they're planning to make another season pass for all these "mini-dlcs". $60 of course.

[@danceswithmetroids162]

Fallout 4, mediocre DLC, paid mods, no word on Elder Scrolls 6, no word on a better Fallout game, and now more paid mods...Bethesda is becoming one of my least favorite developers lately.

[@MT-rh3bq]

Tyler Werbenjagermanjenson I feel bad for those who paid for a season pass before what was in the season pass was announced. Lol only the last two were worth noting,the crafting one should have just been in the game to begin with.

[@XAshRichOakX]

Mister Torgue Flexington thx for feeling sorry for me i got the season pass when it was $20 or whatever and the only good dlc was far harbor Q.Q

[@danceswithmetroids162]

I did the same thing. Super disappointed with everything besides Far Harbor.

[@TxuZai]

the game itself sucked anyway

[@kandykorn4425]

Tyler Werbenjagermanjenson I just want obsidian to make fallout games. They did new vegas right and in a much shorter time made a better game than Beth ever could.

[@_CaptainCanada]

Gamers, if you care at all about the future of the industry, PLEASE fight this. Bitch about it everywhere, tank Bethesda game ratings, and at the very least, DO NOT SUPPORT these ethically bankrupt business practices. Vote with your wallet, if nothing else. Complacency will encourage other companies to follow suite.

[@KitsyX]

I wouldn't call this ethically bankrupt... They're giving modders who'd normally get paid nothing for their work a chance to work freelance, to make small items for their games. It would be better if they paid them more to make bigger stuff, but understandably that'd be a financial risk on their part, which I don't blame them for not taking. They're maybe getting some cheaper labour and talent scouting, but that's hardly a bad thing overall. The only real problem I'd say there is is that they're using a purchasable in-game currency, or whatever, instead of real money, like how the Wii shop and the Xbox store used to do with their stores, normally leaving you with a few points you couldn't use... The quality of this stuff not being as good will mainly hurt Bethesda since most people will just use free mods instead... Although I guess the creator club might be the only option for PS4 users... I dunno... I guess there's also the problem of the game updating to install them all on your hard drive, but I wouldn't consider that as an ethical issue exactly... That said, I do think we should complain about the issues in my last paragraph... I just think "ethically bankrupt" is a gross exaggeration for these specific issues... It's not like they're promising to pay these modders then refusing to after or something (or at least we haven't heard of it yet). Microtransactions are kinda sucky, but unless they're changing the game to make you buy them and/or they try to shut down the free mods, I don't think it really counts as exploitative or anything really.

[@HickoryDickory86]

Your mistake, @KitsyX, is thinking that modders mod games for money. They do not. Never have they been able to sell their mods, and they all know this. Yet they got into modding anyway, knowing fully and completely from the get-go that there was no money to be made for it. Why? Because they love the game, and they want to make their own unique content for it, and they want to share their work with others so that they can enjoy it too. It is not about money, and it never was. So this argument does not at all excuse what Bethesda is trying to do. In fact, it is truly a signal of immorality because they are making modding all about money, not about doing something you love and enjoy. They are monetizing what was done for free, for fun. So yeah, very immoral.

[@jamesmoore2232]

KitsyX most modders who make decent content make a pretty penny with donations.

[@mwperk02]

donations and I suppose ad.fly revenue

[@Blitztriech]

KitsyX Are you sure this Creation Club is the right way to treat the modders? "Let's not drop a sweat to make contents in Creation Club. Let the modders do it. We dangle our money to them and we take all the profits." This does not sound ethical to me. They are exploiting the modding community. Creation Club is just a name. For me, it is still a market for microstransactions but on another level.

[@demongrenade2748]

Pete Hines: "Todd, I'm trying but my word game is too weak. They know that these are paid mods. What do I do?" Todd Howard: "Feed them lies.... Feed them sweet little lies..."

[@JoeGamer81]

"You don't have to choose. You're a paid mod...and a microtransaction."

[@CreeperKiller666]

Another "good" developer has done down the path of EA and Ubisoft.

[@silverdarlin]

Two Jimquisitions in one week? We're BLESSED! HAIL JIM, THE NUMBER ONE BOGLIN BOY HAIL! HAIL! HAIL!

[@drstrangelove9525]

Silverdarlin Jim isn't Number One though, Robbie Rotten is

[@silverdarlin]

Dr Strangelove memes aren't funny, Dr Strangelove is however. Please, this is the Jimquisition, not Reddit

[@NotTheStinkyCheese]

I'd say we are doomed. The end of gaming as we know it is nigh! The prophet has spoken.

[@RTheren]

Imagine 3 Jimquisitions in a week. NOTE to publishers: "Hurry and fuck up something!"

[@dwarvenviking9947]

GATHER THE BOGLINS! JIM HATH GIVEN US SUCH BOUNTIES WE SHALL PAY TRIBUTE

[@crimsonheart1949]

I can't help but think that the guy who's cannibalizing the raiders in the video is a parody of Bethesda cannibalizing the modding community and itself.

[@AHJ0876]

A Jimquisition and it's not Monday?!?! You spoil us Jim.

[@iglidor]

Found this on reddit for everyone interested : 750 = $8 = 93.75 points per dollar 1500 = $15 = 100 points per dollar 3000 = $25 = 120 points per dollar 5500 = $40 = 137.5 points per dollar Chinese Stealth Armor = 400 Hellfire Power Armor = 500 Horse Power Armor = 250 Modular Military Backpack = 400 Morgan's Space Suit = 300 Pip-Boy Paint Job - Chrome = 50 Pip-Boy Paint Job - Onyx = 50 Pip-Boy Paint Job - Swamp Camo = 50 Power Armor Paint Job - Onyx = 100 Handmade Shotgun = 200 Prototype Gauss Rifle = 400 Modern Furniture Workshop Pack = 300 Total = 3000 points

[@TheMorriganAensland]

That is a DISGUSTINGLY HUGE amount of money to pay for so LITTLE ""DLC" ~.~

[@iglidor]

When they first showed that they will be selling Horse Armor, I thought that they are just joking around. Now I see that they are really trying to sell horse armor. 3-5 dollars per one new single armor... Sigh :-( Unless they retract CC somehow, I do not think I will enjoy new Elder Scrolls or Fallout 5 if they will be from Bethesda since I will not buy these games then. Oh well. Time to find new tune. Hmm something like "Yo Ho, Yo Ho , pirate life for me..."

[@aesen161]

You can buy 5500 credits but there are only 3000 credits worth in "micro-dlc". Wtf? HOW CAN YOU BUY MORE CREDITS THAN STUFF TO SPEND CREDITS ON??

[@Saphemeral]

Another sad thing is that half this shit is incompatible with each other. You can't have two fucking Pip-Boy skins equipped simultaneously, not to mention three. Same goes for power armor...

[@veganhero1828]

Aessen1, There is more content coming.

[@purplereign2410]

For those of you who want a perspective from a modder as well as Jim on the Creation Club, this video by Gopher is fantastic. The TL:DR of it is, even if you don't use the creation club all of the files added to the creation club will be in your game and that will make it annoying slow on PC and after a while Unbearably slow on console. Which most of you probably knew. But another big thing is that Skyrim Script Extender may be unusable along with the Creation Club meaning users will either be forced to stop updates about NOW, or get rid of their script extender which disables all "game changing" mods. As always thank God for Jim

[@PaulXPZ]

Purple Reign24 Fantastic. I'm stuck at work and I left my PC on. I hope the game doesn't update while I'm away. Hopefully I can turn off updates before any damage is done. But what's going to happen in the future? You know, when people eventually need the space and uninstall the game? How can we reisntall it wihtout this update?

[@IgnisVertex]

Eh, all major patches break the script extender. FO4's was fixed and ready within hours of launch. Just give the makers a sec to adjust. :P

[@purplereign2410]

That is true but whenever they decide to add something to the creation club the executable change so if the creation club is anything worth having, where it gets updates weekly, the script extender will need updates weekly. or if they decide to add stuff daily than it will need to be updated daily. So you see the problem. the script extender will eventually just stop trying to keep up because it is too much work and probably near impossible.

[@PaulXPZ]

Purple Reign24 If adding content alters a specific part if the exe and it's always the same thing, maybe the script extender team can create a script or something to auto update and fix the issue without direct input

[@Finwolven]

It's actually 'genious' in that with constant version number updates to the executable, Bethesda can kill away the unmonetized modding scene, or at least making it so much of a hassle only the truly dedicated players will be interested. Then they'll go after these modders w. their legal team, to stop them from making 'unauthorized changes' to their game.

[@geoffrogue3049]

It's worse than that. People are stealing mods from Nexus and then submitting them to the Creation Club as their own, and Bethesda doesn't care. Some of the thief's are even out right taunting the original authors.

[@blodstainer]

"It's tested and verified" A fucking skin?

[@XenomorphsWrath]

there are plenty of skin mods with glitched graphics, so ..yeah ..they better curate it. Wouldn't sell it, but ..curate? ..yeah.

[@Commander_Applejack]

Yes. Someone clicked "buy" and Bethesda received money. What else do they need?

[@CRBASF2]

Yet those paid mods still have bugs: i.imgur.com/QpdJV9w.jpg

[@MrHack4never]

I'll just leave this: xkcd.com/1096/

[@tabushka292]

well tested and verified doesn't mean they're fixed :D

[@Emzzzzzzy]

Next they'll think about bringing in loot crates that will contain a random mod inside. $2 keys to open up a camo skin for your ebony blade. Huzzah!

[@beatingstuff88]

Counter strike skyrim XD

[@PurushNahiMahaPurush]

Oh please god no!

[@TheFunnyOne1125]

And yet everyone gives Counter-Strike, and Killing Floor 2 a free pass.

[@energeticyellow1637]

Not just Counter Strike, but every other fucking multiplayer game under the sun that's come out in the last 4 years.

[@elmastaa]

"Mini DLC" Aren't these called microtransactions?! Come on Bethesda...

[@cakeisamadeupdrug6134]

"Microtransaction" implies the amount of cost is low. "Mini DLC" implies the amount of content is low.

[@Patar_man]

Bethesda 2017: there's no way we can piss our fans off more than paid mods Bethesda 2018: hold my nuka dark rum

[@wolvz7081]

Patarman Bethesda 2019: that’ll cost you $100 to keep holding that nuke dark rum

[@JackFury]

Couple of points worth noting. There will never be more expansive mods in their store becuase more expansive mods require scripts, the script extender, load order tweaked and possibly level list patches etc. Secondly the reason the update was 2.2GB is because the assets to the paid mods were downloaded into your game directory. Buying them simply downloads the esp file to make them work. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how bad an implimentation that is. Forcing me to have content installed on my hard drive I do not own nor have any intention of owning will make me see Fallout 4 as bloatware if they keep that pattern up

[@DazThor]

I was unaware of this. Maybe I'm asking the wrong guy here but do you think it's possible that if someone is clever enough it's possible re-create the .esp file? Even if not, surely people can just buy the mod and then upload it somewhere. Mod piracy sees a resurgence?

[@thelaughingrouge]

JackFury So if every mod they make follows that path the game file will be enormous in no time. I love that game but I will not let it soak up a quarter of my hard drive.

[@44WarmocK77]

Daz Thor if CC also pushes the scripts onto your harddrive, then definitely yes. At the end of the day, the CK is just a formlist editor so reverse-engineering is fairly easy (but potentially time-consuming depending on what you wanna recreate).

[@1ben994]

You remember that "hi res texture" update they rolled out not too long ago that did basically nothing, and doubled the size of the game? THAT was bloatware. (I uninstalled it after that)

[@drakan4769]

+daz thor, pretty sure it's going to take five minutes for an "all unlocked" version or something to be on pirate bay

[@joaxarkus4648]

Your "Bethetic" word has already been coined by dozens on steam. Thank God for the influential JIM STERLING SON!

[@benedikta.9121]

No one expects the second Jimqusition!

[@mehmeh1031]

Should do by now, theres enough shady shit happening to keep Jim quisitioning 24/7.

[@DemonsBlade238]

You should do something on WB/Monolith profiting off of their dead co-worker with with Forthog Orc Slayer DLC. The family only gets money from purchases in 44 states, while the rest of the world's purchases go to WB's pocket.

[@diegoantoniorosariopalomin4977]

Creation club feels like microtransactions way more than betheseda's first attempt at paid mods

[@AndrevusWhitetail]

"This fucking chair" 5:07 wait a fucking second...that shit's ripped STRAIGHT from Animal Crossing

[@SmoothyBuns]

Anime prom on fan night.

[@cynthmcgpoet]

Don't get me started on Farmville...er, I mean Fallout Shelter.

[@robintst]

So right out of the gate, they fucked up on the two big things I was pointing out to my friend about their pitch of the Creation Club. Existing free mods turned up in those two Fallout 4 suits when they promised they wouldn't allow that... and they had to be visually adapted to Bethesda's fugly-ass vanilla design aesthetics of the game because their developers will demand congruence so none of the mod items stick out like a sore thumb... or make their shit LOOK like shit by comparison for being too good looking. What is wrong with this fucking industry....

[@squidiot3729]

Literally the stealth armor is ported from Fallout 3.

[@DSPiron]

For what it's worth, when they said they weren't going to take other people's mods, I'm pretty sure they meant they'd wouldn't take the work someone made, they'd just start from scratch (or what they already have.). If the Creation Club Content is modder's work, then the people working on it did a good job hiding it.

[@Xanthro2]

"For what it's worth, when they said they weren't going to take other people's mods, I'm pretty sure they meant they'd wouldn't take the work someone made, they'd just start from scratch (or what they already have.)" You say that though, yet all fallout 4 is, is a mod from Fallout NV (real time settlement mod) and a quest line from Fallout 3 fleshed out (The replicated man that takes you under Rivet city to speak with Horace Pinkerton), Pinkerton even tells you about the institute, where its located, and about the synths. Bugthesda is so bethetic.

[@mehmeh1031]

Greed.

[@anth6601]

If you watch Jim frequently he does indeed say positive things, the industry just constantly finds new ways to suck.

[@ForgetfulHatter]

imagine booting up skyrim and it says. we can see you're running 252 mods. to continue to play skyrim with mods you are required to pay a small fee for each mod to use all of these mods ...love Bethesda also skyrim is being remade to run on calculators now so buy that as well

[@StrazdasLT]

nah they just updated the .exe so most of the mods broke and their mods remain the only one in town.

[@kerokerohero2]

Yep. they pretty much tanked, Campfire and frostfall. who knows what other mods they crippled.

[@connorhull9215]

'Money, Money, Money'

[@yolsil775]

you know what's funny? when I got the update, I saw the Hellfire and thought "I'm gunna kick the Creation Club in the dick" and went and downloaded the free, and better Hellfire Power Armor. also got a mod that adds some like 50 Power Armor paints. came with black power armor paint as well with a nice 2k texture.

[@yolsil775]

oh, and I got a free pip-boy revoir that makes it look worn and damaged. more immersive. for free.

[@supercosmickuma7438]

"Life's good when you're a TV that looks like an anime fan on prom night." That actually made me laugh out loud. Good one, Jim.

[@Newoh4]

Bethetic™: It just works

[@gratuitouslurking8610]

...With the unofficial patch.

[@Aces00]

And even then it doesn't really work because our games are fundamentally broken™

[@AJ_244]

The stealthy Abba pleases me to no end. MUNAY MUNAY MUNAY

[@springheeljack298]

“'As a dog returneth to his vomit, so doth a fool return to his folly.'”

[@JackdotC]

It's like Bethesda don't even realize that the modding community is the only reason that FO4, and especially skyrim, are even somewhat relevant nowadays. It's like how long war increases the life cycle of xcom. without new, interesting, content, the game would slip out of interest for most people. By making people pay for re-skins with monopoly money, Not only are they dividing the community, but they also manage to push people way from modding, and any new games in either series, if they ever make any, will likely have much reduced lifespans, which is unhealthy for massive open worlds that take years to make.

[@MT-rh3bq]

Jack Cassidy Oh well, to be honest I'd rather they died out after what they did to obsidian.

[@Seth9809]

Huff.

[@Cyllene939]

You realize that's because of the mods, right? Being able to add hundreds of mods and completely change the game every time gives it infinite replay-ability. Without the modding community, you'd only have the base game, which, after a few playthroughs with your melee/rogue/mage/lawful/evil characters, there's nothing left to do. A large portion of that 20k are playing extremely modded games, and that's whats made it somewhat still relevant.

[@eldrasill]

Skyrim is a 5 year old game that has stayed in the limelight purely from the assistance of its modding community. Fallout 4 suffered heavily from, and continues to endure, the indignation over the distinct lack of advancement in either technological or literary avenues. Part of the reason people continue to play FO4 can be laid at the feet of brand recognition, but is equally likely to be the massive amount of modding assistance that has been leant to it since launch. Yes, both games have a considerable number of players active per day, however they most certainly would not have those numbers without the modding community.

[@JoseSanchez-sd2nv]

Maybe a video game should be treated like a car. When someone buys it they should have the right to modify it without permission. When someone offers a modification, like paint job, and wants money for their work then they should be allowed to. Ford does not go around suing auto shops for selling mods.

[@kalsaithrak]

Vanity items in a single player game lol.

[@TheRealPentigan]

I don't like the CC system at all and especially the content, but there's a lot of stuff in the game without mods paid or otherwise that can be considered entirely vanity. Like armor for Strong and Dogmeat and that bear mascot head.

[@otakon17]

Kal'Saitharak PAID vanity items.

[@XxMeatShakexX]

Kal'Saitharak its a roleplaying game thoughh...

[@somerandomchannel382]

So.. i just bought this (Fallout 4) 80hours+ game for 10 dollar? Now I suppose to buy a color job or a extra item in a game filled with 400.0000 items for half or even the same price? Someone? What is going ON?? Item Sku Qty SubtotalFallout 4 PC DownloadLink (download) D/5xxxx 1 SEK 103.39 / 12 U.S. dollars

[@brickman409]

Vanity items in general

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

the face when you planned out a whole day of boglin polishing, and bethesda ruins it.

[@ShiningwingX]

Bethetic. Hmm. If Bethesda ever gets one of those 'After-topic short news' things like Fuck Konami or Oh, Ubisoft, I think this could work for a title. "That's Bethetic..." sounds really catchy!

[@FunkyFyreMunky]

If..... IF... Bethesda allows access to their original voice actors, programmers and devs for help with asset creation, etc, Bethesda mods might be a good idea. So far, however, it just seems to be "horse armour". That's not cool.

[@Thetracker69]

This is my issue. Its not actual DLCs or expansions. Its fucking microtransactions. Its fucking reskins... I want shit the size of Far Harbor and Automatron. Like actual DLC and expansions. But from what I've heard, you're actually fucking limited in the size of the mod you can upload to the "Not Paid Mods store"... I'd gladly drop 10, 15, hell maybe even 20 bucks for actual good, expansion/DLC sized mods. but five fucking bucks for a recolor of power armor? When I could download all the recolored power armor I want for free? No thanks Shithesda.

[@MechNubbins]

Thetracker69 you summed it up perfectly. That was the reason I was in defense of this system from its conception. If it meant getting third-party expansions I would have happily paid. If Bethesda wants their system to flourish they better start commissioning some talanted modders to make something a little more worthwhile otherwise they will not be seeing much return on investment. At least this one won't be flooded with troll submissions like steam"s attempt was.

[@Skagra]

Getting access to the voice actors would be good, especially the voice actors for the Sole Survivor. That way, mods can have the player character talk, without recycling other voice lines.

[@Father_Wendigo]

Kudos for the best upvoted comment I've read so far. you're holding your own against triple-digits, mind you.

[@AngelCakes1997]

FunkyFyreMunky The original Voice Actors aren't in house. They're all likely doing other things and are too busy.

[@TheDeathstyk]

Much like Totalbiscuit, I actually had hopes for this. I was optimistic it might be a good partnership with modders, since they've always admitted modders are what make their games such long lasting successes. But it seems they just looked at blizzard, bioware, and warner bros and said "microtransactions? Hooo shit, lets do this."

[@MyH3ntaiGirl]

TheDeathstyk because paint items is worth more than a game improvement mod

[@MyH3ntaiGirl]

TheDeathstyk duh

[@MrDiarukia]

To be fair, a piad mod system can be benificial to all participants, BUT it has to be at the launch of a game, so no one can rip-off existing free mods and charge for them and for the exact same reason it has to be highly curated. All Bethesda had to do was introducing paid mods with their next installments, not when modding for the game is at it's peak. And maybe as a bonus: DON'T ripoff your modders with a fucking 80:20 split (don't know the actual split, but it was very much in favor of Bethesda).

[@azn3000]

Same. I was hoping that the launch would've had some mods that were content heavy like quest/adventure mods. Disappointed that it wasn't the case. They must think their entire fan base is full of brain dead drones if they genuinely thought this first launch was going to be met with grand applause.

[@MyH3ntaiGirl]

TheDeathstyk not fair if Bethesda take away over half of it

[@44MagnumNA]

Want to know the worst part about this garbage? These paid mods also use the microtransaction method of paying for credit packs at an arbitrary value. In short, they're fucking microtransactions, as Jim stated. This what happens one combines stupidity with one of the greatest evils in the gaming industry AND refers to this crime against humanity as "mini DLCs". Hell may have just frozen over, thanks Bethesda.

[@StealthArcher]

The entire reason they went with credits is actually even more scummy, you can't get refunds on in game purchases, which the credits now count as.

[@Mason009009]

StealthArcher PS4 also doesn't allow credit transfers between Fallout 4 and Skyrim...but Xbox One and PC do.

[@TealWolf26]

But...they're mods. And you...paid for them. ..

[@onurubu]

TealWolf26 making them paid mods

[@dominic5374]

TealWolf26 B-but daddy Bethesda says that it's not paid mods... Are you telling me they would lie to us???

[@Vuldyn]

They're paid mods.

[@TheSlammurai]

B-but TB made a video saying they WEREN'T paid mods! D:

[@seothis640]

Love Jim's channel and all but I still don't get it! Are you saying that there are "mods" that you "pay" for and these mods are "paid mods?". So you're basically saying that if I buy something and "pay" for it and that "something" happens to be a "mod", I'm basically "paying" for a "mod" which makes it a "PAID MOD"? I just don't get it... No wonder the big game companies aren't listening to you with your vague statements. I don't even play any video games so what do I know.

[@alexandrewvice6845]

Not only that, Jim, The creation club update breaks a lot of mods, and if you are on console, you need to start a new game and disable ALL mods to use the creation club "mini dlc"

[@alexandrewvice6845]

And not only that, fallout 4 downloads the mods every time even if you didn't purchase them and they take an absurd 2.1 GB for reskins and 5 new items, imagine 100s of other low quality mods.

[@Akenny]

do Bethesda do any kind of compression like jfc each item should only be a mesh, texture and a bit of text saying how it works (defense, resistances) so how does that add up to 2.1gb

[@mephisto2872]

Kenny's World The mods are so big to bypass a console limitation which only allows updates bigger than 2 gb.

[@Akenny]

This is why i dont like consoles they do so much to be separate from pc's or to 'streamline' the experience when all they do is make things harder for everyone.

[@samwatson-tayler2805]

11:30 This has aged like fine wine in a sewer.

[@DanaBanana94]

The best joke is that Bethesda wants to "make sure" that mods from the Creation Club are working and compatible with the game. But... they can't even make THEIR OWN crap work without severe bugs. There are still so many bugs from day 1 that aren't and won't ever be fixed. Even questlines that are broken beyond repair (Tina DeLuca). Ridiculous, Bethesda. This whole idea is so much garbage.

[@amberbaum4079]

Yeah, first thing you'll always do is downloading the unofficial patch for your always buggy Bethesda vehicle.....patchs that are made by the modding community. The irony.

[@whimsyy1648]

Jesus when they try to make something look better by calling them 'mini DLC' you know its horribly scumbaggy.

[@Delibrium]

worst thing is is there are fanboys who defend it it as being something good.

[@everythingissogreen6748]

DELIBRIUM Yup. I was just called a communist by someone because I believe that mods should be free. And defend them being free.

[@robertpolo289]

Calvin Kary isn't it more communist if Bethesda creates an incomplete game with the rest of the content locked in the creation club and still sell the game at the same price as an actual complete game?

[@robertpolo289]

Tom Franco I am 100% in favor of modders being paid for their content. However call me a cynical I feel that practices such as this will just lead to developers cutting corners since they can fall back in options such as the creation club. Plus what percentage are modders being paid anyway?

[@BRBingeDrinker]

+Tom Franco shut the fuck up. You can donate to the modders you like. Do you think modders get any significant portion of the money from Creation Club? You're out of your mind.

[@figjam9530]

BRBingeDrinker, nah, just a rich kid who thinks money makes him better than anyone with less money. there are fucking thousands of them. until the purge, anyway.

[@radiobob1908]

I work with kids. Yesterday, the kids started talking about Minecraft and Roblox. One kid mentioned that she was saving up to buy a Roblox mod. I asked if the kids knew that mods used to be free. None of them did. I told them a little about the game industry's scams. How Roblox takes most of the profit from its user generated content. How people used to get really mad about paying for mods. How some streamers get free in-game loot, to convince kids like them to pay for it. I know they'll all go home and keep spending money on Roblox. But hopefully, they'll think a little more carefully about it.

[@Nugatron50000]

Instead of hiring these talented modders to create real DLC Bethesda would rather scam both the modders and the community by milking us dry.

[@tabushka292]

Yeah imagine what the modders could do if Bethesda actually supported them (not all of them obviously, just the best ones) by giving them voice actors, playtesters etc... But instead Bethesda just sells other people's work now because "why not" :D

[@mehmeh1031]

Obviously. Evil corporate exec: We are not making enough money I need a new ivory back scratcher! Lickspittle: Hey boss we came up with a great idea of hiring folks to make stuff for us, so at least we don't have to put effort it in! Evil corporate exec: You mean we have to spend money? Lickspittle: Well yes there will be some outlay. Evil corporate exec: Fuck with that! Wait i've got a better idea lets just provide them the platform for distribution toss them a token fee and we make money out of doing nothing at all! Lickspittle: Genius! You are a shining example to us all boss!

[@JustAndre92]

Here's an anime fan on TV that looks like a ninja block.

[@timothymckane6362]

Life's good...when you cry at prom night.

[@loonachan]

I pay monthly for RedTube and still can't get Jim's premium videos.

[@TheNightquaker]

Be patient. He's pounding it.

[@bigboss8647]

btw, may i ask the source of your profile pic

[@ThatOneGuy7550]

Bouncing on my boys' micro transactions to this.

[@wariodude128]

I... I think you're paying monthly for the wrong service. It's not a bad service, but not the one you seem to want.

[@jayjayson9613]

hentropy your supposed to out the after the tube on the search engine, not bef...actually you know keep doing what you're doing, probably enjoying it more anyways.

[@samwatson-tayler2805]

11:58 In recent months this went from funny to really really sad.

[@NohorseRU]

*Maybe the real anime fans on prom night were the friends we made along the way!*

[@CurtisMassey]

Thank God for you sir.

[@LowStuff]

Welp, guess who just uninstalled FO4 and won't touch it anymore.

[@iglidor]

Pirate it. You will get better version then the one that is legally sold. And if you own on steam FO4, you will probably not be even doing anything illegal.

[@tavionpinks4292]

is the answer you?

[@LowStuff]

TheKarabanera I have ~200 hrs in Fo4. I already got my money worth out of it. I've been playing most of the Bethesda games in the last 10 years including the DLCs. I supported them because I like their IPs and the games that came out of them, even if the games were often a buggy mess. But microtransactions and paid mods are too much. Bethesda joined the shitlist of devs and publishers for me. So no more money for them in the future.

[@ZeriocTheTank]

LowStuff I'm glad I haven't bought it. Guess I'll stick with Oldrim and FNV.

[@samielgo1]

LowStuff *help

[@Arclight104]

This creation club combined with the single player micro-transactions in the upcoming shadow of Mordor potentially being successful means very bad times ahead for the video-game industry. Remember these things only need to work once to spread through the entire industry and the future will be pretty bad with games being tweaked to be nigh-on beyond completion without excessive time investment unless you literally pay-to-win via micro-transactions. This will become the new standard for single player titles. In addition, if paid mods take off then free modding will hunted down left and right by company lawyers issuing cease and desist notifications to ward off anyone trying to cut into paid mod profits by providing free distractions. Jeez no more mods and companies gouging you for every penny so they can incrementally unlock content in the games they release half finished. Futures lookin pretty freakin rosy for the video game industry...:(

[@AlgoEstranho]

N. .

You forgot the ugh guy from the 1 2 Switch commercial in that opening montage, you c...SKELETON WARRIORS!