Bette and Joan: Blind Ambition (2005) part 3

[@nothingsuitsmelikeasuit4401]

Respect for both these women and may they rest in peace.

[@TheTibmeister]

Possessed is a wonderful film. She should have got the Oscar

[@wombat1948]

WOW-I`m emotionally exhausted -two WONDERFUL women!

[@normabracey8379]

For best actresses of all time, Joan Crawford and Bettie Davis are in the top five.

[@williamf4544]

Yes and Barbara Stanwyck and Mirrium Hopkins for me

[@TheRmjr]

Per the AFI ranking, Davis is ranked #2 and Crawford is ranked #10.

[@jerrifender8505]

Always thought that Bette Davis should have won the Oscar for her powerhouse performance as Margo Channing in the classic, "All About Eve". Everyone in the audience that night must have truly thought, "fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy night"!

[@steveweinstein3222]

I (and many others) think Gloria Swanson should have won for Sunset Boulevard. That's what makes it a horse race.

[@stconstable]

Great actress, yeah. But Joan was right in her estimation of Bette: when she said she was very mannered and cartoony - with the cigarette and eye-rolling. Davis likewise criticized Joan for her crying in films.

[@TheTibmeister]

Ooooh you could see the competitiveness in Baby Jane

[@Toracube]

Brilliant Vid ! Great gals. (Both bonkers, but I guess thats why we love' em)

[@kalwws]

Bette Davis, a perfect Actress!!!!!!

[@Thunderstormwitch]

Great documentary!

[@phtevlin]

I found that after "Baby Jane", Davis's career continued and flourished, Crawford's tanked. The irony is that it was Crawford who convinced Davis to make the movie.

[@andressegui1236]

Well, it didn’t really tanked, all the movies she did after baby Jane were commercial successes and although some of them were negatively received by critics, Joan’s performance was praised in all of them.

[@BelatedCommiseration]

I did hear a story (maybe apocryphal) that Joan Crawford attached weights to herself during baby Jane to make it difficult for Davis to drag her around. I also heard the kicks Davis administers to Crawford in the film were all too real on occasion. In Elizabeth and Essex her character had to slap co star Errol Flynn (who she believed unequal to the part) round the face in a scene, and Davis actually made real contact in so many takes Flynn threatened to slap her right back if she did it again!

[@Babaliciouss1]

Both women great actresses ..apples and oranges.

[@LaoSoftware]

Believe it or not, women are very competetive with each other. I work with 5 women in my office. They will back stab or gossip behind your back. When I got promoted, they all got very jealous. They spent most of their days giving me dirty looks.They hated me that much. But I don't care. I won.

[@miltsar]

do your homework...Charles Busch is a famous and successful theatrical playwright and Lypsinka is a very popular drag queen/female impersonator ...both are are very knowledgeable about "divas ' and both have used that knowledge in their work.

[@giavannira]

both ARE LEGENDS..IM A HUUGE JOAN FAN & A HUGE BETTE FAN...I WOULD NEVER BASH EITHER ONE OF THEM..THAT BASHIN THE OTHER IS JUST PATHETIC...BOTH ARE AMAZING ACTRESSES...BOTH HAVE AMAZING CAREERS ...AND BOTH R LOVED EVEN MORE TODAY THAN THE YEAR BEFORE..&&& EVERY NEW GENERATION FALLS IN LOVE WITH THESE TWO STRONG AMAZING WOMEN!!!..& FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME WE D RATHER WATCH CRAWFORD N DAVIS MOVIES THEN THE GARBAGE OUT TODAY.

[@robertdoherty2001]

Despite the hatchet job Warners did on the novel “Beyond the Forest”, Bette gives the selfish, dissatisfied character great pathos and sympathy. Not nearly as bad as it’s been painted.

[@brucebeamon5460]

THIS is MY FAVORITE MOVIE of ALL , If it were up to me THEY BOTH WOULD HAVE WON AN OSCAR for there rolls in this movie . I still watch this movie on DVD from time to time , I even bought a new shirt and pull over with the part where they say ( You wouldn’t Do This if I wasn’t in this chair ~ But You Are Blanche , You are in that Chair )

[@TheTibmeister]

It’s a pity they were given such rubbish after Baby Jane. They deserved so much better

[@markkeefe817]

Blanche, did ya know we have rats in the basement? Stop ringing that damn buzzer! Daddy bought this house for me Blanche! It was my money that paid for everything & I know you're trying to have me put away. I'm calling Johnson's using your voice to get my booze. Guess where the maid is? She made me do it Blanche lol Sorry, ur bird got out while I was cleaning the cage. Din din time!!!

[@lolachiconila7650]

sorry for me hands down its BETTE DAVIS ...Joan is ok, but Bette was different was the Best! Bette Davis should ve WON the OSCAR for Baby Jane (someone else won /i don't even know who) ....It felt Reductive

[@miltsar]

It is generally acknowledged that Joan was excellent in both Humoresque and in Possessed. Everything I have ever read about Bette states that she was also perfectionist. And why do you excuse her and not Crawford for raising an ungrateful daughter ? Bette also drank...and smoked like a chimney and though not "masculine " looking she was also a caricature of herself in later life. It may sound like I'm anti Bette but I'm not. I'm just tired of Joan bashing.

[@robinromine8158]

I understand that you are tired of Joan bashing and that is why you Betty bashed, however you just bashed Betty because so many people were bashing Joan. You don't really have the right to criticize someone when you are doing the same thing, but for revenge. And throwing Betty's dirty laundry out on social media for everyone to see shows your character.

[@gordonhall752]

Joan Crawford rules!!

[@cuisheenarollins1536]

Gordon Hall yes yes yes

[@drewdeflon4497]

I'll take Joan any day over Bette.

[@Red_Rebel]

of course, the narcissistic child abuser loved by her fellow narcissists

[@windstorm1000]

but they know what they are talking about--and that's the point of the post.

[@edwardjames50]

Lypsinka Epperson's story about Crawford's falsies comes directly from Davis, who is hardly an accurate or reliable reference source.

[@edwardjames50]

LG Do YOU know what people you know casually are wearing under THEIR clothes?

[@rayito2005]

At 8:10 min Sophia Loren and Joan Crawford.

[@DepalmaJay]

These old queens are like a day at Madame Tussaud's Wax Museum

[@HollyCranfan]

They were supposed to be in Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte together but Joan got sick so Olivia De Havilland took the part over. Bette slept with Franchot Tone who was Joan's fiancé during the filming of Dangerous so their feud started early. Even before Joan went to Warner Bros.

[@andressegui1236]

Yeah, sick...

[@michellesilver718]

I doubt Joan was sick.

[@steveweinstein3222]

Both were near broke when they made "Charlotte" took a big gamble on profit points instead of salaries. They both became well off thanks to that.

[@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165]

"Charlotte"?

[@lilsept77]

Better and Joan should of worked together from the beginning, specially against each other like they done on "Whatever Happened To Baby Jane? Them working together from the beginning would of drew a lot of viewers attention sense they were both fierce, young and attractive at the time. Then they probably would of grew on learning to like each other.

[@goldieha]

I love Bette Davis!!!!!!

[@stconstable]

Give me Crawford ANY day! Not only could she act; she could sing and dance too - and she was famous long before Davis got to Hollywood. Sure there was a massive rivalry. Crawford stole Tone off Davis and, personally, I think Davis was jealous of Crawford's looks and her sex appeal. She married 3 hot guys: Fairbanks, Tone and Terry. Bedded Gable and a lot of other hot men and popularised nailpolish, shoulder pads, glasses on women and more. She should've got that 2nd Oscar!

[@TheRmjr]

Are you saying because she couldn’t stay married to one man and slept with all the others you listed, this is why she should have gotten a second Oscar? No way...

[@theblueangel28]

they dont really have anything much to say do they...? well I have decided I know enough to not need to listen to any film "critics" or talking heads who never have insight that I lack or really can even match me how happy I am, oh the cleverness of me!

[@Bristain11]

Yes, I must agree..These men are obviously homosexual. But then again, they are of the type who adore these women of the Golden Age of Hollywood.

[@robjack2804]

Why do they talk about Beyond the Forest, and show footage from The Star? Makes me think gossip, not fact

[@TheRmjr]

Because they are both Davis films. Beyond the Forest is the last one Davis did before leaving Warner Bros in 1949. The Star is loosely based on Joan Crawford’s life and Davis plays Margaret Elliott. These films were mentioned and discussed in this documentary.

[@whalleypei]

lol, and you're qualified to comment on her love for her daughter? Were you there? Both ladies were reportedly alcoholic and neither had a lot of success with any one man but put in context, Crawford was considered the beauty and Davis the character actress.

[@robinromine8158]

I always thought Betty Davis was prettier than Joan Crawford. When they were young, it would have been even Steven.

[@sandysunrise9618]

@@robinromine8158 Exactly! Bette Davis was much prettier than "hard-features" Joan Crawford .. and a much better actress!! IMHO!!

[@windstorm1000]

yah, and what of it? he knows what he's talking about. so if you don't like it, take a hike!!

[@yerocgi]

no one can remember any of joans films....but bette has at least 10 very important ones to this day

[@ADawg3]

Maybe you can't but many others can. Mildred Pierce, The Women, Grand Hotel, Humoresque, Rain, Baby Jane (of course), Strait Jacket, Johnny Guitar and Possessed (both films) are a few off the top of my head.

[@MrThursdayschild]

so there

[@alexandreintouch1847]

you can't , plenty of people can name Joan's movie , don't generalize your case of ignorance ...

[@andressegui1236]

I think you might be the only person that knows who Joan is that dosnt remember any of her films

[@goldieha]

I LOVE BETTE DAVIS!!!!!!!!!!

[@michellesilver718]

Bette was an actor. Crawford was an actress.

[@windstorm1000]

well, you know, bette and joan are almost 'st.bette' and 'st, joan' for the gay community. they were strong domineering women and inspired gay men to be empowered-if that makes any sense to you.

[@baberina1]

No it doesn't. Why do you, as a gay man, become or are so dramatically, or strongly inspired by women, particularly these two??

[@terry4137]

windstorm1000, Not a damn bit of sense! Smh

[@chucksellers8422]

too much Crawford, not enough Davis

[@MissPerriwinkle]

. betty shoulda won for Jane...joan leaves me cold.

[@HeatherGlen33]

Crawford always appeared very masculine to me. Her brows grew heavier and heavier. And darker as she reddened her hair. She was also an alcoholic. She was good only in Mildred Pierce, and Baby Jane. She was a perfectionist. Davis was natural. She was always feminine, but her strong personality was not meant for marriage. Her love for her only daughter was almost reverant. Yet B.D had to write her outlandish book, instead of appreciation for her luxurious life. How Sad.

[@BVMOM1]

I hope Tim Toth went back to brunette since this was made

[@WilAdams]

Baby Jane is not a 'camp' film. Only homosexuals would think that about this film. In this little production you see a lot of gay commentors who keep harping on about how these two women were 'fighters' and 'didn't fit the mold'. That is just homosexuals projecting. Bette Davis did fight for better roles but she was never an outsider in the way that homosexuals were and continue to be. As for Joan, well, her problem was that she was never an actress, but was always a MOVIE Star. Coming from dirt poor roots she got caught up in the IDEA of glamor and at first she married into it, but later she PROJECTED it--just as these homosexuals projected their problems onto these two women. You know, a better documentary on these two would be one that focused on how these two women were the embodiments of the America Dream. Coming from poor (by comparison to what they achieved) backgrounds and rising through hard work and determination. Even though they both portrayed a lot of VICTIMS throughout their careers, their personal lives were not those of victims. Today's youth could learn more using these two women as examples of the American Dream and how to achieve it, than watching Joan's movie roles where she goes from pillar to post looking for 'a kind stranger' who will 'help' her.

[@tenagnek]

Grade Z documentary.

[@massimo289]

Bette Davis is much better than Joan Crawford. Bette is champaine, Joan just coke

[@gordonhall752]

MASSIMO MAIOR Exactly the reverse. Crawford was the Dom Perignon. Davis was a bottle of cheap bourbon.

[@kathyswallows6695]

Gordon Hall BOTH are rail

[@gordonhall752]

Kathy Swallows They are. But in the looks department, Crawford had it hand over fist over Davis (1930s).

[@blondthought5175]

+MASSIMO MAIOR Joan is the finest line of cocaine sniffed off of her own fine, fine, unmistakably fine--ass.

[@alexandreintouch1847]

you meant champagne...or the champ of pain... and its should be Joan just pepsi ...not coke...anyway both were great !

[@goldieha]

I LOVE BETTE DAVIS!!!!!!!!!!