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[@NPC-fl3gq]

An arrow spinner is an absolute essential for anyone serious about building/maintaining arrows. Having the ability to clearly delineate between great arrows (and not so great) makes it easy to shoot your best in comps and use your trashy ones for recreational purposes. Its right up there with a fletching jig IMO.

[@quintonb9870]

I think people really underestimate how handy those spinners are. A pine ridge arrow spinner was one of the first things I bought when I got into archery. I've never once regretted spending $30 for it. Over the course of 3 years now its saved me a lot of money, a lot of headaches, and allowed me to own every single aspect of building my arrows.

[@preblecs]

Most manufacturers straightness spec is only for a 28" span somewhere in that 32" shaft, thus the importance of spinning them to get a straighter shaft from a lower grade. Black Eagle are the only one I've found that specify their straightness spec for the full length of the shaft. I got a dozen .001 Carnivores and every one spun dead nuts on both ends. I was super happy coming from some noodley Gold Tip XTs. Also square both ends after cutting and make sure your insert spins true before the glue sets!

[@travistwwreck1535]

100% agree I have the carnivores and the carnivore ultra lights 0.03 advised all spun at 0.01 full length weight spot on too. I still bare shaft tune my hunting arrows but I dont really have to , i would love to use a hooter shooter to bare shaft tune and see how that goes.

[@pensnut08]

SOOOOOOOO incredibly helpful!! Thank you!! Wish this was out before I cut my last batch hahahaha. Now I know.... Explains why no matte what head I put on two arrows, they had a wobble. I will pull the inserts and reinstall. Great video!!! Good luck this year!

[@SethHalstead]

Good video as always. I'm in that 31" draw length group so I only get to trim a little and get to buy the expensive. 001 shafts, but this is helpful for cutting arrows for my kids a little shorter.

[@jofher007]

Thank you for this great Arrow tuning Tip

[@Alan_Edwards]

Excellent video and it confirmed what I thought to be true. I just bought some GT Kinetic Pierce arrows off eBay by mistake. I thought I was getting a great deal only to realize they were not Platinum just regular Pierce so .006 versus .003. I was bummed at first but figured I could probably get them down to .003 or better if I got a spinner and cut some of the wobble out. Plus I am going to match weight all the components too so the variance between arrows is as small as possible. I had a feeling you'd have a video on this and I was correct. Thanks man !!

[@kenmathews4522]

Thanks for another wonderfully informative and entertaining video.

[@josephtreadlightly5686]

One of your best videos. It always amazes me that people paper tune fletched arrows. Cart b4 the horse concept. Take the time to make a perfect set of 6 arrows from scratch with blank shafts. Then shoot them @ different targets so u don't wreck them. These r hunting arrows so if u have a bad day then some critter is going to suffer in a lose/lose situation. Thanks for setting the story straight.

[@averagejackarchery]

I paper tune fletched arrows all the time. Have bunches of videos on it too. It's a very effective method.

[@christiangrendel9893]

Just bought my first bow. Your info is priceless. Think I'll use my motorbike wheel balancer first. Gotta save some dosh. Skint from purchasing a sight, whisker biscuit etc. 👍👍👍

[@rdb8509]

Great suggestion for the shorter draw length archers starting with the 0.006” shafts!

[@bkbowhunter1]

Good video. Studio looking good 👍

[@richardalvarado7613]

Very informative ! 🏹

[@jaydensankey2301]

I've bought one of these not long ago and it's been the best investment, being able to spin test broadheads and turn the insert so it spins true is awesome, question though have you ever compared a .003 to a .006 straightness arrow and if it actually makes a difference in accuracy, ive just gone to the victory rip tko sport (.006) in a 250 spine and seems to shoot great out to 100m, even robinhooded one at 60m, trying to decide if I go the sports or elites next, but there's such a big price difference cheers

[@alanjackson5345]

I like the background and shop look. Great work

[@averagejackarchery]

Thank you!

[@EM-dy8si]

One recommendation. Check that the wheels in the Pine Ridge are rotating true. I had one that you could visibly see one wheel was rotating out of round. This induced wobble of the arrow shafts. I would surmise that wheel was punched for the axle off slightly.

[@Psalms73.25]

Good insight bro I will keep that spinner in mind

[@ikeyeet8312]

I've noticed a huge consistency difference going from vforce v6 (decimators) to V1 (elite enforcers).

[@ndoering1]

Great video, I appreciate your channel. Let’s not forget to figure an arrow cutter when we’re doing our math.

[@pawadventures5544]

Good video, thank you for sharing. 👍🏻😎

[@wildpigremovalinc.executio8028]

Howdy, nice video. Getting an accurate spinner is difficult. I agree. I like straight arrows and have been on the Gold Tip Hunter Pro arrows for hunting over a decade. Reported straightness at .001. Most 30$ spinners are not accurate enough to identify. 001 out of round or straightness. Make sure the tools are accurate before checking the arrows. That being said, I practice with the cheapest .003 Amazon arrows I can find. I verify and tune my bow sights everything to my hunting setup, G-Tip Hunter Pro's and Swhackers. It hurts less to break a 3$ arrow vs a $15 arrow and a dozen of high quality arrows last year's and years by practicing with cheap arrows. I or someone in my circle robinhoods 3-5 of my arrows a year. So buying cheap arrows saves me money. As a hunter, not a competitor. Is my skill level good enough to know the difference between .003 and .001. I don't think so, but I still buy the .001 when I need to. My 2 cents.

[@hikingwithaviking8529]

Great video

[@CharlieNDaTree]

Thank you I have a 27.5” arrow length

[@FlyinZX10R]

Good info. I’m going to have to get a spinner. Factory sold complete arrows cost too much. What’s a good arrow saw that isn’t gonna break the bank.. I saw some manual pipe cutter types but I heard it’s a lot cleaner to use an electric one. I haven’t looked into the cost or quality of any yet.

[@40beretta1]

Less than 10mins...A lifetime's worth of information. As usual, AJA makes it 5th grade English simple...though the Diameter stuff I had to watch twice, Okay, three times .....I'm about to venture into building my own arrows.

[@travistwwreck1535]

Been using Black Eagle lately, great price and often straighter than advised . using Carnivore ultra lights in comps . they say 0.03 but there all 0.01 and at $10 a bare shaft Im far from unhapppy .Im going to check out the pine ridge gear , see if their posting to Australia .

[@wk9953]

I use the traditionals and they are phenomenal

[@WM-jy9dz]

you get them in most of the bigger archery shops here down under or evil bay, and also on Australian amazon.

[@travistwwreck1535]

@@WM-jy9dz Not the spinner, Im talking the whole product range, most shops here have bugger all .

[@anthonyalvarado837]

Mine won’t even sit flat on a flat surface

[@sethjohnson4450]

Nate, you always mention having and bell curve arrow. Hoping you can help me. I shoot 27.5 DL at about 65lbs. My maxima 350 with 100 grain (abound 27.25” long) seem to shoot great through paper. They weighed a bit under 400 grains total. Well I went to a FMJ 320 with 75 grain insert and 100 grain broad head to add a little weight. This was recommended by pro shop. Well this arrow seems to tear like crap. Am I out of bell curve with this setup? Or is it some other issue. I just switched to hamskea rest. I swear the qad seemed to paper tune this arrow better as long as it was cock vane down. (No clue why). Got a left tear I can’t fix now. And the rest is at 12/16ths

[@oldfatnugly]

that tool is also indispensable for checking broadhead wobble

[@Lucas-jy7cv]

Yea I had arrow that didn't wanna fly right with a broadhead I put it on the spinner and adjusted the insert . Flys great now

[@atch_n_sons]

I would love to see you do a video of cutting and building arrows. There is a lot more to it then I know, but I am considering building my own as well for my two brothers and friends. Just not sure its worth it

[@timbow50]

Yes, building your own is worth it. An arrow saw is needed. I bought a little mini chop saw ( very small with a 4" blade) from Harbor Freight for like $30. It came with a little tootles blade. By extra a couple of little 4" carbide cut-off wheels they have there. I built a wooden platform etc etc and made my own. Works just as good as a $140+ " factory" one. Been using it a good ten years now. I use the " Helix" vane jig mostly. It's a one at a time jig but it is exactly accurate from gluing vane to vane. It is not adjustable. It's 3 degree right helical. I have also the red plastic Bohning jig. Highly adjustable and various vane clamps can be had. Left or right. You can order shafts, vanes. Inserts, points, bushings, nocks for your custom arrows. You can get brass point inserts like 40 grains and up for nearly every arrow- NEARLY. I prefer Black Eagle products.

[@atch_n_sons]

@@timbow50 thanks for the response, I know that if I get into it I will excel at it and enjoy it. I currently shoot Black Eagle Outlaws and love them, my pro shop takes care of me. Thing is though he is a four drive for me(up near deer camp) which I will gladly drive to him over anyone in my area. I shoot a lot and break/loose a lot of arrows.

[@secretsiren6769]

I also would love to see those kind of videos

[@Legi0n21]

look-up AJA video list :)

[@travistwwreck1535]

He has done a few already.

[@andrewyoder88]

A while back you did a review on the Sirius Archery spinner. Do you still prefer the one you used in this video? The reason I'm curious is because I got the same one you're using in this video and the "wheels" themselves had a bad wobble when I spun them. I figured it out after spinning my arrows and being stunned at how bad each one seemed to be

[@dubropineridge]

Hi Andrew, if you ever have an issue with a Pine Ridge Archery product, please let us know and we will always make it right and fix or replace it for you. You can get our contact info on our website at pineridgearchery.com Sorry for any hassle!

[@HuckFTW]

Nate, I’ve got a question related to this video I’ve never found an answer to... How is arrow straightness actually measured by manufacturers? Lasers, optics, dial indicators, something else? Is there a standard way of measuring straightness, or at least a common practice in the industry? Is the arrow supported on the ends and runout checked in the center of the arrow? Or is the arrow supported over a shorter span and checked on the ends, similar to what you showed on an arrow spinner? If so, what is that span between supports, because that could vary the results?

[@averagejackarchery]

The industry standard is laser sorted over a 28" span. Although I've found most companies go over the 32" span.

[@nash.fuller]

I always check all my arrows on this tester once with broadheads and once without

[@lorencpollo2926]

Am I wrong to assume that carbon arrows don’t lose their straightness if they ever get shot and burried in the grass/dirt? Since they are flexible. Or should I get a spinner to check that?

[@averagejackarchery]

They will bend, no doubt, but it takes a lot to get them to bend and stay bent. The Pine Ridge arrow inspector especially is such a cheap addition to your arrow arsenal it's worth having anyways just to be sure after a nasty encounter with a rock, root, dirt, etc.

[@KevinCasey64]

I have been bow hunting for about 30 years and a lot has changed over that time with arrow rests particularly as well as almost everything else and for a lot of years I would buy cheap arrows and have been really successful but with the drop away rests how important is arrow straightness seeing that the arrow doesn't stay in contact with the rest very long?

[@travistwwreck1535]

Bare shaft tuning is when you notice it most .

[@marksamluk9879]

I have one from. Pine ridge and Sirius archery

[@ladadadee5732]

Is there a reason you didn't use the Sirius spinner? I purchased one but am not sure if I prefer it over the Pine Ridge. Thanks for the vid.

[@averagejackarchery]

Like to showcase all options!

[@archeryhunter86-]

What do you use to cut your arrows with? Are there any economical ways to DIY?

[@averagejackarchery]

I used to use a DIY saw and the performance was sub par. Investing in an arrow saw, I have the Weston 8K RPM model, was well worth it for me.

[@travistwwreck1535]

I made one similar to The AJA one and it works well. I used a battery die grinder for portability and have a dust extraction tube I scavenged off a broken router. I use the largest fine cut cutting disc about 1 1/2 in, as it seems to cut straighter and leave a better finish so less work to prepare for inserts. I over engineered mine and it works just as good as the Clubs brought one. Cost was about the same as a brought one , but I couldnt get one at the time due to Covid and I had lots of time to make a good one in Lockdown.

[@AZHighlandHomestead]

I didn’t see any other camera angles even though you mentioned it. I would have loved to see what the wobble actually looked like front vs rear.

[@averagejackarchery]

ME TOO!!! Second angle ended up being poo and couldn't make anything out. Need to just film legitimate b-roll in a future video.

[@AZHighlandHomestead]

@@averagejackarchery I’ve totally been there before Nate! Thanks for putting it up for us anyway. At 27.5” DL, this is really helpful. I always just cut off the front of the shaft of my GT Hunters (.006) like the shops typically do. No longer will I just cut off this end haphazardly! Thanks and God bless you and your family.

[@kyledavey3113]

I like the idea. i just need to find a place that has the 3,000 arrows that cheap.

[@timothymattson3883]

What happened to that fancy arrow spiner you had?

[@averagejackarchery]

Still have it! I like showing all ends of the spectrum.

[@da9gsr91]

That’s a great investment and all, but you’d also have to get an arrow saw, probably fletching gear if your already invested this much, now all of a sudden your a few hundred dollars in with equipment and supplies building your own, when you could have just bought the straight arrows

[@WM-jy9dz]

if you shoot a lot, a fletching jig is anyway recommended as you will loose vanes - doesn't need to be a Bitzenburger, there are cheap knock-offs available that work similar. As a arrow saw I use an old Dremel (doesn't have to be a Dremel, there are cheaper knock-off available in the meanwhile, I think Ozito makes similar tools) clamped to a board - works perfectly for me.

[@flugit]

Love your arrow building videos. What would you say would be an exceptable variance for weight sorting?

[@averagejackarchery]

I like no less than +-2 grains.

[@flugit]

@@averagejackarchery 👍thanks

[@damnu8089]

no talk about sanlida arrow 300 spine

[@joshuaduzan3095]

I ordered a dozen arrows that were the wrong spine (500 instead of 400). as teenager who cant really dish out another 70+ bucks, is it okay to be underspined by that much?

[@averagejackarchery]

Depends on your specs and what you want to do with the arrow.

[@joshuaduzan3095]

@@averagejackarchery I'm 25 inch draw, pulling 60. I plan on hunting with them.

[@WM-jy9dz]

@@joshuaduzan3095 you have to consider the TAW, hence it depends what insert and BH you envisage to use. There is a pretty good arrow built app available (Pinwheel) where you can check whether your static spine matches the actual dynamic spine. Entering your data into the app it tells me that you don't have much room to ad a lot of weight to the front - should be o.k. if your insert and your BH weights not more than 125 grain, but I would need the details of your arrow / arrow setup (brand, diameter, GPI....) to run it through the app to be more precise.

[@andrewbean5163]

Nate, so your saying at 6'4" and 31.5" draw length I'm screwed? hahaha Everyone is always picking on the big guys!!

[@averagejackarchery]

You're telling me!!!

[@mikeharryhunt1709]

I shoot the Easton 6.5 carbon arrows .003 ... $50 ah half dozen...

[@robertdeis132]

Another thing I believe consumers have to consider is do I buy an arrow saw or talk to my local pro shop to see if they'll cut both ends. It would be a shame if they wouldn't cut both ends and found yourself at the mercy of buying a set of .001 arrows.

[@secretsiren6769]

I bought mine from Lancaster archery and it’s worth every penny! Had it shipped all the way to Chicago . I am a 25” draw and it’s much better cutting my own vs having the guy at cabelas do it.

[@route-249]

yes and if you haven't already, you'll need a way to fletch your shafts

[@owsowmuskwanaistus9213]

i got a 33 inch draw

[@philmcafee343]

The Sirius spinner is legit btw

[@KevinMillard68]

if you get a better quality spinner youll have better more accurate results i seen your same model as yours and well it's not very well liked so i went with the next level up for 50.00 that has real ball bearings and its made 10,0000 times better and better parts as well.

[@josephr1198]

Kind of forgot to figure in the price of an arrow saw.

[@averagejackarchery]

You can spin them yourself and take them to a shop to cut. It's not hard. Lol

[@josephr1198]

@@averagejackarchery this is an assumption. My "local" archery store blows and it's over an hour away. (Driving 65mph)

[@WM-jy9dz]

.....what happened to the "4000 times better Sirius Archery Arrow Spinner " 😄?

[@averagejackarchery]

Lol! Still have it! As always, like to show all ends of the spectrum. I still shoot my older and cheaper bows too. 😎

[@WM-jy9dz]

@@averagejackarchery 😁👍

[@seanhansen9383]

Yep long armed people gotta spend the money to get straighter arrows

[@ObelixCMM]

All manufacturers play loose with their straightness call outs. If you read actual arrow specs straightness is +/-.006" (or +/-.003" .001") so actual straightness is .012" .006" .002"

[@travistwwreck1535]

Try black eagle their often better than advised .0.03 is 0.01 to 0,03 never over. 36 arrows tested all straighter than advised.

[@ObelixCMM]

@@travistwwreck1535 I have Black Eagle PS27 and they are over advertised straightness. I use RAM arrow tester to measure spine and straightness.

[@travistwwreck1535]

@@ObelixCMM First Ive ever heard .No one in my club has any issues with the PS27 and considering they are the elite championship winning arrow , i find your statement a little hard to believe . We also have a deflection tester . The Top Aussie who put me onto Black eagle shoots them. They pride themselves on their straightness and if what your saying is correct , i suggest you contact them .

[@ObelixCMM]

@@travistwwreck1535 It's your choice to believe it or not, I work in quality and measure things for living. Before PS27 I shot Victory NVX 27 .001, and they are much worse than PS27 in straightness and spine consistency.

[@travistwwreck1535]

@@ObelixCMM As I said tell Black eagle not me. All mine are better that advised ,and Im happy with their quality and product . Still think your talking shit .

[@Lovenlife139]

What about us 5'8"ers? Lol

[@davidkanalos6710]

I kill all kinds of deer with Aluminum 2117 one shot one kill and a 30 year old bow no need to spend thousands just Is practice

[@kevinfrye1822]

It's + or - .001 .003 .006 so that means they can be out .002 .006 or .012 . It's also the amount of static variance in the shaft using a spine tester with a 2lb weight at 28 inches . Overall straightens varries with all manufacturers and the more you pay the straighter they are . It's a great video but that's not what the manufacture means . When a arrow is spine tested at 2lbs 28 inch spand lets say a 350 . It will move the indicator .350 but when it's rotated on the spinner it's spine can fluctuate .001 to .012 . Per the manufacturers spec .003 can have up to a .006 variance . I shoot 30.5 inch draw so get to cut off a whopping 1 to 2.5 inches off my arrows . Ive spun quite a few arrows and I've seen way more the .001 in the shafts I've bought and cut . This tool is also good for checking spine dexterity to see if the carbon arrow is breaking down . If they are straight when you build it it should be straight after shooting it a number of times but we all know we hit things in targets pass throughs get stuck in trees and so on so flex but also spin it . It's also good for Broadhead alignment when glueing in inserts to see if it's straight and square . I'm not knocking your video and yes it's a great tool for building a straighter arrow . I like the video but there's more to the numbers on a arrow .

[@glenpaul3606]

pine Ridge got some lousy reviews on Amazon....doesn't sound like a good quality accurate unit.